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Anonymous at Fri, 3 Jan 2025 21:50:26 UTC No. 1004617
First attempt at rigging my first character...it's NOT looking good bros
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Jan 2025 22:04:56 UTC No. 1004618
>>1004617
Well obviously when people tell blender doesn’t do animation it mean BLENDER DOES NOT DO ANIMATION.
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Jan 2025 22:08:05 UTC No. 1004619
>>1004618
no it's because my model is kinda shit
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Jan 2025 22:08:30 UTC No. 1004620
That's as good as you can expect from the autorigger.
You have to manually refine it in weight paint mode.
IIRC you have to use the smear brush across vertex group boundaries and pick the options to auto-normalize vertex group weights.
You can pose while you're painting to test how it looks if both armature and mesh are selected.
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Jan 2025 22:18:14 UTC No. 1004621
>>1004620
i'll give that a try but i already played with weight painting a bit and it doesn't fix much if the model's topo isn't ideal
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Jan 2025 22:39:39 UTC No. 1004622
>>1004621
Topology matters for small scale artifacts like if the bone axis and edge flow isn't aligned.
It matters for close up details and shading not the general shape during deformation.
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:53:58 UTC No. 1004625
>>1004617
it could be worse, just need to fix some weight painting and add some corrective bones and/or shapekeys. blenders automatic weights are shit.
also why do you have two shoulder bones, not really necessary for a model like this
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 00:22:52 UTC No. 1004626
>>1004625
yeah i saw some youtube clips and i'm gonna try some corrective bones tomorrow. And with only 1 bone for the shoulder it bends weirder...but i'll try with 1 + corrective bones for hips and shoulders
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 00:35:30 UTC No. 1004627
>>1004626
here's a fantastic rig by one of the best blender riggers out there. he uses 1 bone for the shoulder (circled in blue) then a corrective bone (the floating bone circled in blue) to fix weird deformation with the traps. there are other corrective bones here meant to simulate the movement of other muscles but the principle is the same. probably a lot more than you need to concern yourself with but you get the point. im sure a video could explain it better than i can
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 00:39:15 UTC No. 1004628
>>1004627
oh i had a different idea when you said corrective bones, so what does the floating bones do exactly ? how are they parented and how do they affect the model ? also if you got a link gimme
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 00:40:44 UTC No. 1004629
>>1004627
You mean how not to make rigs, nothing about that faker tells you how to make rigs. It’s his false narrative on rigging not the correct way.
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 00:44:15 UTC No. 1004630
>>1004628
shit i forgot to mention, the corrective bones location is controlled by a driver. so when the shoulder bone rotates, the corrective bone automatically goes up, deforming the mesh with it. probably a lot for a beginner though maybe stick to rigify for now
his rigs:
https://www.p2design-academy.com/p/
>>1004629
pyw
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 00:50:06 UTC No. 1004633
>>1004630
oh nvm i thought he has a youtube or something, i'll figure it out
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 00:54:19 UTC No. 1004634
>>1004633
he does just search for p2design and/or pierrick picaut
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 00:59:11 UTC No. 1004635
>>1004634
ok will do, if i make it i'll post results here, but i just wanna say rigging is actually pretty hard. I found modelling, shading and UVs easier to understand..on basic levels of course
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:44:07 UTC No. 1004639
>>1004635
It be even harder if you take bad advice from people who aren’t professional or knowledgeable about rigging. Blender or Maya, the process is the same but the Blender community is awful at rigging.
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 03:09:20 UTC No. 1004642
>>1004639
well so far i noticed most youtube guides are either very basic, or very rushed. Like this one teaches you the basics in 1 hour: https://youtu.be/mYgznqvbisM but when i tried to find something more advanced since i have a more complex model, i found this: https://youtu.be/jIwrswJEFBQ which seems good but he's moving too fast for me to be able to follow, and most other guides are like this.
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 08:47:33 UTC No. 1004658
>>1004642
try watching some of sickly wizard's stream vods, dude is pretty autistic about rigging but doesnt really explain much
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 11:22:24 UTC No. 1004659
>>1004617
I hate riggers!
Anonymous at Sat, 4 Jan 2025 18:36:40 UTC No. 1004689
Well i made some slight improvements, i think it looks good enough for now. Found this cool video on how to improve the hips issues and used that but i am not sure how to use that for the shoulders, or if it's even possible. https://youtu.be/Zx2LtlZqG3g I am sure there must be a way to make the shoulders move better as >>1004627
said but i don't know how to do it. Will see if i can improve on it further.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Jan 2025 13:06:42 UTC No. 1004911
>>1004908
also, are the pole target bones (the ones for elbows and knees) supposed to be fixed in place like that ? it seems..weird.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Jan 2025 15:17:43 UTC No. 1004920
I think the idea is you move the poles as part of the animation as well
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Jan 2025 19:04:56 UTC No. 1004937
>>1004920
hmm yeah i figured, i think i made some nice improvements, but i feel like the learning curve for this shit is crazy, and i'm still not done...i must have watched 15 youtube videos (multiple times) to get to this point
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Jan 2025 02:53:48 UTC No. 1004979
>>1004937
for my ik bones i always lock whatever rotation axes that aren't the primary source of the rotation, if that makes sense. i can't quite tell but it looks like you may have not done this. it will generally make things look a little better
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Jan 2025 07:51:03 UTC No. 1004997
>>1004979
yes ! i did that too just last night after seeing it in another youtube guide, it helped. I gotta do the hand/fingers next i am not sure if there's anything special there though, and then add some control shapes and i think i might be done
Anonymous at Fri, 10 Jan 2025 16:19:54 UTC No. 1005175
I cleaned it up a bit and made some custom controllers. I am pretty happy with it, still gotta add some for the fingers, but i don't know whether i am missing any controllers if i want to animate the body. Got leg/arm IKs, controllers for the feet, torso, arms, shoulder, hand, neck, head. And i also wanna add some for the eyes so he can emote a bit, and then some sort of switch to equip his weapons on his back and in his hands. That shit seems hard.
Anonymous at Fri, 10 Jan 2025 17:50:44 UTC No. 1005179
>>1005175
corrective smooth modifier + corrective smooth baker addon, if your goal is to export it
makes weightpainting a lot less of a hassle
Anonymous at Fri, 10 Jan 2025 21:09:36 UTC No. 1005183
>>1005179
don't really wanna export it, i only have/know how to use blender at the moment, and i think it has everything i need for now
Anonymous at Fri, 10 Jan 2025 23:20:50 UTC No. 1005190
>>1005183
well, still. here's the tip.
corrective smooth is a very powerful modifier, makes weightpainting way less of a hassle.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 02:41:57 UTC No. 1005200
>>1005175
You mess up, the hand controls should not interfere with shoulder and you now just have a model with looney physics.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 03:06:33 UTC No. 1005202
>>1005200
i actually have 2 separate controllers - 1 for the hand (yellow one) and one for the entire arm. Today i also spent a lot of time pairing the lower half of extra objects (under the belt) to the bones, that shit was harder than i expected, had to do some sculpting on them and play with some solidify modifiers to make them look ok after they move.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 03:16:32 UTC No. 1005203
>>1005202
should lower your ik chain length by 1, you never see shoulders in the ik chain for a reason.
also i would recommend a rotation falloff setup for the forearm. try it yourself, you can't rotate your hand without rotating your forearm as well. I'll use this rig as an example again.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 03:20:13 UTC No. 1005204
>>1005203
the ik chain stops at the upper arm, the clavicle is controlled by a different bone, the one floating in the top. As for that, idk how to do it
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 03:27:17 UTC No. 1005205
>>1005204
The arm is made of a chain of bones, they all have copy rotation constraints targeting the hand bone, but with lower influence as you move further away from the hand.
you can duplicate and subdivide your main deformation forearm bone, then lock every group in weight paint mode except for the forearm and the new bones. then you can easily transfer the weight from the old bone to the new ones with auto normalize. then just smooth them out as needed. then set up the constraints and you're all set. for this rig you could probably get away with just 2 bones, the one I showed you has 4-5 i think.
rigging is difficult but rewarding, why do you think so many people just use auto riggers? but if you gitgud you can make rigs that are so much better than anyone else, with or without auto riggers.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 05:44:30 UTC No. 1005211
>>1005205
Do you have an example of the setup you're describing? If not you should stop typing nonsense.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:05:46 UTC No. 1005217
>>1005211
Ironically there is such example, from the creator of Spiderman PS4 model (the real one): https://www.gameanim.com/product/az
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 14:55:20 UTC No. 1005224
>>1005203
>>1005205
huh i think i did it, found a nice video about it, couldn't have guessed how to do this shit myself..really cool, thanks. Video if someone wants: https://youtu.be/P81DGubVILA
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 17:15:56 UTC No. 1005226
>>1005224
lookin good fren :) only advice i have at this point is to have the copy rotation constraints only copy the z rotation of the hand. that way you won't get those weird rotation artifacts when you're rotating the hand on other axes. but honestly I'm just nitpicking at this point, you can ignore it if you want.
>>1005217
azri is such a good rig, I've been meaning to bring her into blender for my own nefarious purposes but i keep getting tied up with other things.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 17:29:38 UTC No. 1005227
>>1005226
Azri cant be exported to Blender, the node aren’t converted to Blender and the blendshapes (not to be confused with shapekeys) is impossible to keep.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 17:37:19 UTC No. 1005228
>>1005227
no shit retard, i mean bringing in the mesh and rigging it myself
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 21:49:07 UTC No. 1005237
I had to change some of the armor details cuz they weren't doing what i wanted (especially the shoulderpads) so i just extruded some from the base body and said fuck it. It's not gonna be great but fuck it. I wanna play with some face bones and key shapes (some angry/happy/sad eye expressions maybe). Then i need to make some switches for the weapons to go to his hands, that seems hard.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 21:53:17 UTC No. 1005238
>>1004618
You told a blender it doesn’t do animation and it listened? I think you might need to take your meds.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 21:57:47 UTC No. 1005242
>>1005237
You have too much controllers, make it simple.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 22:42:04 UTC No. 1005246
>>1005237
Making props actually work correctly is one of the most annoying parts of rigging, gl fren
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Jan 2025 22:47:07 UTC No. 1005247
>>1005246
it feels like your model (and all its gadgets/armor/clothes) need to be perfect before starting to rig to the point where you can't make any changes to it later on or else something breaks. That is quite a challenge. For example those leg straps, they were basically duplicated selections of his thighs with a solidify and subdiv so initially they fit perfectly on him but after rigging the leg and then the straps they were moving differently so i had to sculpt them a bit to minimize the damage. Tried shrinkwrap modifier but it doesn't help. Maybe something like physics is needed, but idk.
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:00:37 UTC No. 1005251
>>1005247
sounds like a weighting issue. you should pretty much ALWAYS have autonormalize on, it can cause fucky things like that. for smaller props like the leg straps I don't even use weight paint mode, I go through edit mode > select all > assign to desired group
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:19:47 UTC No. 1005254
>>1005251
what does auto-normalize do? i just noticed it was unticked for basically all of this process
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:30:24 UTC No. 1005258
>>1005254
it ensures that the total weight for all vertices will stay at 100% weight across all groups while you're painting. it will automatically add and remove weight from other groups if necessary while you're painting. it's useful for rigging because you don't want any bones or combination of bones to have more than 100% influence over a given vertex. it can be super buggy though and annoying to troubleshoot, if you got this far without it then probably don't need to worry that much. like I said, for the smaller props you can just manually assign and delete weights via edit mode instead of painting them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tn
i promise you, worrying about this right now is probably gonna be more effort than it's worth so unless things are super fucked then don't worry about it and just remember it for your next rig.
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:44:19 UTC No. 1005260
>>1005251
>>1005258
>edit mode > select all > assign to desired group
can't find how to do this, if i select the leg strap and go to edit mode, the vertex group is empty..if i select it + the mesh with the groups and click assign nothing seems to happen
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Jan 2025 01:03:28 UTC No. 1005261
>>1005260
>go to edit mode
>select desired vertex group in vertex group panel
>select vertices you want to assign to group
>click assign
>???
>profit
great for smaller accessories, should always use the painting mode for more complex objects though, just gonna be way easier
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Jan 2025 01:09:09 UTC No. 1005262
>>1005261
thanks i'll give it a go
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Jan 2025 03:08:49 UTC No. 1005270
>>1005264
blessed ik schizo, got any redpills for hair like that?
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Jan 2025 04:19:18 UTC No. 1005272
>>1005270
It's hairs cards with a soft body simulation. There's a vertex group slot where you can specify if a vertex is pinned of free to move. That's how I did it there but I have no idea what the state of the art for hair is supposed to be.
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Jan 2025 05:03:37 UTC No. 1005273
>>1005270
They do react to head movement, collisions, wind, other force fields. It's convenient for me because the rest of the body is also a soft body simulation, so... By looking at the source code I know you can do something similar with curves and particles but I've never tried that.
Anonymous at Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:09:15 UTC No. 1005341
>>1004617
is weight painting really still what we do?
I get that it's simple and it works, but I just hate the way that it pinches.
Do we simulate muscles yet?
Anonymous at Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:12:21 UTC No. 1005387
>>1005341
we do what we gotta do
Anonymous at Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:50:48 UTC No. 1005505
trying to make switches so he can swap weapons from back/holster to hands..it's quite hard
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Jan 2025 01:56:57 UTC No. 1005598
>>1005505
Use the armature constraint, it's great for parent switching. note that whatever bone has the armature constraint shouldn't be parented to anything or you might have some issues.
you can use it on your weapons to parent them to your hands, you can use it on your hands to parent them to other parts of the body, you can use it on your ik poles to parent them to whatever is convenient, it's one of the more versatile constraints.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Jan 2025 06:51:24 UTC No. 1005605
>>1004619
Probably because you bought it off a 3D model marketplace
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Jan 2025 08:17:22 UTC No. 1005608
>>1005605
no, because i made it lol
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Jan 2025 17:35:39 UTC No. 1005696
I think i did it. One thing i don't get: the copy transforms for the sword to snap on the back seems to override the one to snap to the hand even when both are at max and i don't know why. Changing their order stack also doesn't seem to matter. Anyone knows why that is ?
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Jan 2025 19:30:23 UTC No. 1005702
>>1005696
You did make sure to test this so that it goes into the hand when he grabs it behind right? It’s not going to look weird and stick out when pulling from shef.
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Jan 2025 20:02:53 UTC No. 1005704
>>1005702
you mean if i wanna animate him pulling the sword out that it looks ok when he raises his arm up there to unsheathe it? or what
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Jan 2025 21:11:46 UTC No. 1005710
>>1004617
>no ik
lol, lmao
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Jan 2025 23:55:11 UTC No. 1005731
>>1005721
nah that looks bad if i do it