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🧵 Help a /beg/inner out?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 18:11:30 UTC No. 842302
Hey hey CG people. I'm a drawfag looking to learn to make stuff like pic related, but I've never done 3D before and not sure where to start. This artist says they used ZBrush, Marmoset Toolbag, Texturingxyz, Marvelous Designer, Substance 3D painter and 3ds Max, but that's a lot of software. I'm not sure what each of them do and if I really need all of them. What do I actually need and what steps would I take to achieving pic related?
(I pirate everything btw)
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 18:31:38 UTC No. 842308
Zbrush is a sculpting tool. It’s for organic stuff. Like humans. Marmoset tool bag is a render engine. You can pirate it if you want or just use Arnold which is built into 3Ds Max. 3ds max is a hard surface modeling software. Unlike Zbrush it is NOT for organic stuff. Think modeling a house vs sculpting a face. Marvelous Desinger is the industry clothe creation software. Substance painter is the best “texturing” software for individual artists. And texturing XYZ is just a website that sells skin textures. It’s not an actual software. You can find all of this stuff on Cgperisa (assuming you don’t have a cgpeers account). You’ll need to get a debrid service tho. You can definitely make a model of that quailty, but it’s gonna take ALOT of time to get that good.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 18:40:18 UTC No. 842310
>>842308
Ohh, it's starting to make sense. So I guess he probably modeled the eyepatch and those ear thingies in 3ds Max, while doing the girl in Zbrush and then put all the different models together in Marmoset Toolbag?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 18:45:58 UTC No. 842313
>>842302
Cute rei
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 18:47:44 UTC No. 842314
>>842313
I know right, she's perfect. I wanna make more Rei.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 18:57:57 UTC No. 842318
>>842308
>>842310
Replace 3ds Max with Blender. 3ds Max is CAD software; it's better for engineers, not for making sculptures of organic things. It's only industry standard because old fucking boomers don't like "new" things like Blender.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 18:59:19 UTC No. 842319
>>842318
hahahahahahah I hope you are baiting
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 19:07:40 UTC No. 842322
>>842302
This realistic take on Anime characters is soulless. Dont do this op.
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Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 19:10:25 UTC No. 842323
>>842322
But I really like it. How is this soulless?
I just want my waifu to come to laifu :<
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:38:42 UTC No. 842328
>>842318
Not one big studio uses blender, not a single one.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:49:49 UTC No. 842329
>>842328
most outsourced assets are created in blender sweatshops
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 21:30:49 UTC No. 842333
>>842323
>How is this soulless?
Reifag... I don't know how to tell you this...
It's not 3d anime that's soulless in this case.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 21:53:04 UTC No. 842335
>>842333
Then what is? I genuinely don't get it.
Also, nice digits.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 22:01:57 UTC No. 842336
>>842333
They think that everything that doen't look like Pixar twink shit is 'soulless'.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 22:39:34 UTC No. 842339
>>842302
Why do they never do any kind of cleanup on the cloth sim. What's with the hair on the tshirt too.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Aug 2021 22:59:12 UTC No. 842341
>>842339
true, the pulled fibers are crazy big, they should be a sixth of that or so, but then i guess they'd get raped by social media compression, so it's probably intentional to keep them weird like that.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 00:27:04 UTC No. 842346
>>842328
That's exactly what I mean. The tradition is shit.
>>842319
boomer you wish
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 01:05:04 UTC No. 842348
>>842328
>Not one big studio uses blender, not a single one.
Yeah just EA,
Ubisoft,
Infinity Ward (Call of Duty Modern Warfare),
Egosoft (X Series, dropped Autodesk for Blender)
Blender contributors:
Epic, Unity, NVidia, AMD, Valve, Adobe, Ubisoft, Amazon
But you know, no BIG studios right? Dumb software renter.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 01:14:31 UTC No. 842351
>>842323
Learn to ignore shitposts. The majority of posts on /3/, especially if they're "fast" are shitposts.
You make a thread on /3/ and then you wait for someone to post a useful wall of text with information you can use to then find out what you need to learn.
Since your problem isn't so much what you don't know as not knowing what it is you don't know; i.e. you don't even know the terms or ideas yet so you can't google anything.
Anyway, my recommendation for you is to try Maya, Max, Cine4D, and Blender.
Unless you have a trash computer in which case just skip to Blender because it runs on anything.
Then do a starter tutorial on each of them and see if you like one more than the other. If you decide to stick with Maya I would tell you to pirate the Gnomon DVDs on Maya from the internet.
If you stick with Blender then pirate the LONG tutorials off CGPersia.
Regardless of what software you pick start with short tutorials that give you a nice final render, that way you feel good about finishing a project and know that the possibility exists to get a nice result.
Then move on to long SERIES tutorials where over the course of like 30 videos you end up with a finished character.
Here's a demonstration in what goes into a cartoon-y character, this is pretty universal despite happening to be made with Blender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-m
>wow that's a tremendous amount of work holy shit it takes MONTHS to get that result and that's after n period of time to gain mastery in the software(s) used?!?!?!
Yes, but then you have a production ready character that can be used to make movies.
You can also make a nice looking static sculpt (like your OP pic) in under a day or possibly a few hours (if you're just remaking the same thing you always make and pretending it's new, aka "speed sculpting").
cont. in next post (which will take me a bit to write)
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 01:42:46 UTC No. 842353
>>842351
cont.
Not sure why the formating for my post got really weird, but anyway just to finish on the "Wow that's a lot of effort"; if you want to do a one-off cheap animation you can cheat and do tricks to animate a high density sculpt but you'll have to do a lot of extra work to get a result you want so if the amount of animation you want to do times the amount of extra work you're doing on a cheaty sculpt exceeds the work of properly retopoing and rigging then you're best off making a proper character.
>I don't have any interest in animation
Well you can do plenty that isn't animation but animation is by far 3D's strongest and best feature along with game assets.
With 2D you've probably never really seriously considered doing any animation because of how incredibly hard it is, but with 3D it's actually realistic for one person to do a 30 second or longer animation.
That's how all those one man porn animators make their living.
Some other things to consider since your 2D skills are strong:
Blender, uniquely, has an interesting feature called Grease Pencil which lets you sort of draw or sketch in 3D. There's a lot you can do with it, and most people ignore it (since most 3D people can't draw for shit AND it's not "The Standard Workflow").
Even if you don't end up using Blender, these concepts apply largely across any 3D software:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff0
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 01:48:10 UTC No. 842356
>>842302
Pirate this, it's the science of modeling human anatomy. Once you get that down you can move onto the art of it, which is sculpting the basic model you make in this course. Ignore faggots arguing about software, just download Blender and do this course.
https://www.udemy.com/course/blende
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 02:15:50 UTC No. 842365
>>842335
>>842336
I was making a joke that Rei doesn't have a soul.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:29:23 UTC No. 842464
>>842351
>>842353
Hey there. Thank you for the super informative posts. That grease pencil shit in Blender blew my mind. Do you know if it's possible to get the newest version of Blender on Windows 7? I don't really feel like switching to anything newer. I suppose I'll just pirate the other software.
>>842356
Thanks, I will.
>>842365
Oh... sorry, that's pretty funny, I just didn't understand at first.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 20:54:38 UTC No. 842477
>>842356
What the fuck is this course, at least start with Raf Grassetti or something, this looks awful.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 21:12:34 UTC No. 842479
blender cultists are a pain in the ass.
blender does not have even proper open subdiv or very basic things like edge or face constraint.
even selecting components in blender is shit.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 22:55:10 UTC No. 842486
>>842477
>start with Raf Grassetti
Why? The course I linked gets right into modeling a human using a simple formula that can be replicated and expanded on. Zero to hero in a day. Is it for experienced modelers? No. Is OP an experienced modeler? No.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 06:47:13 UTC No. 842534
>>842479
>blender cultists are a pain in the ass.
Almost as much as the faggots complaining about Blender non-stop.
2 sides to every coin, anon. For every cultist praising Blender from the heavens, there's another faggot complaining about it.
Both are equally annoying.
Stop being a little bitch and just work on your own shit. No one gives a fuck what you use, and no one will give a fuck what you use. You'll still be trash no matter what. Clothes don't make the man, their attitude and actions do.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 16:00:47 UTC No. 842592
>>842323
Technically it's great, but her looks are too fake. No sense of real character whatsoever, just a pretty fuckdoll.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 16:23:58 UTC No. 842594
>>842486
are you the author of the course or something? it's obviously trash. don't learn shit form people that don't know enough to even get good results in their fucking tutorial.
>Is it for experienced modelers? No.
is clearly not BY an experienced modeler either.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 16:48:33 UTC No. 842596
>>842594
So post your models, big guy. You won't.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 20:49:59 UTC No. 842621
>>842333
kek
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 21:14:16 UTC No. 842623
>>842592
Man, the subtlety here is beautiful.
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Anonymous at Thu, 5 Aug 2021 05:31:41 UTC No. 842685
>>842328
OP modeling shitty ecchi renders with his 3060 can hardly be compared with big studios.
Just learn zBrush and Blender and move to autism-tier software when you know the fancy softwares first.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Aug 2021 21:06:26 UTC No. 843102
>>842685
where does one acquire zbrush without downloading a shit ton of viruses at the same time though
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Aug 2021 23:40:32 UTC No. 843126
>>843102
Rutracker is excellent, but if you wanna be careful, do the following:
Use a hyper visor or virtual box to torrent and shuffle the cracked executables or whatever the fuck the procedure is (different for every program, read the readme for the crack and not the readme for the default program), then use Windows defender and malwarebytes to scan. If it’s all good, copy the installed files (or installer) through a shared folder and launch or install on your main.
Anonymous at Thu, 12 Aug 2021 22:34:55 UTC No. 843859
>>842323
>>842302
Where can I get skin displacements maps like those?
Anonymous at Fri, 13 Aug 2021 03:31:17 UTC No. 843897
Is it easy to pirate udemy courses?
>>842356
Anonymous at Fri, 13 Aug 2021 03:40:38 UTC No. 843898
>>843897
udemy started using DRM for some videos a few months ago
so it's a gamble
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Anonymous at Sun, 15 Aug 2021 20:05:17 UTC No. 844393
Hey guys, OP here.
I was working on my first sculpt in Zbrush (pic related) and then I ran out of polygons. I looked up how to get more and someone suggested using Zremesher, so I tried it and Zbrush said "this feature is not available" or something along those lines and crashed and I lost my project. Can someone tell me how to actually get more polygons, so this doesn't happen in the future?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Aug 2021 00:42:29 UTC No. 844442
>>844393
using zbrush was your first mistake
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Aug 2021 01:01:16 UTC No. 844445
>>844393
ran out? you're probably using the core mini version.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Aug 2021 03:01:36 UTC No. 844453
>>844393
It's a common mistake for a beginner to make. Just buy more poligons at the store (2 millions should be more than enough)
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Aug 2021 05:40:00 UTC No. 844467
>>842318
OP please ignore this post right here. 3ds max >>> blender in literally every way. blender users are virtually all talentless beginners that want to drag others down (crab mentality)
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Aug 2021 06:10:51 UTC No. 844469
>>844393
Use Dynamesh. Dynamically refresh arrangement of polys as you work and gradually add resolution as you get to fine details, then when you're happy, zremesh and reproject the dynamesh onto the cleaner topology.
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Aug 2021 03:20:21 UTC No. 845038
>>842464
>Do you know if it's possible to get the newest version of Blender on Windows 7?
Bit of a late response, but yes:
https://github.com/nalexandru/Blend
Autodesk stuff might still work on win7 without any modifications, if not you'll probably have to pirate older versions (2019-2020) or get a VM.
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:13:17 UTC No. 845104
>>842308
You can also use zbrush for hardsurface.
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Anonymous at Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:57:46 UTC No. 845144
>>842318
>3ds Max is CAD software
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:12:56 UTC No. 845152
>>842302
OP post your progress,I wanna see some Rei tits.
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Anonymous at Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:18:27 UTC No. 845154
>>842318
>Max is CAD software
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:14:29 UTC No. 845252
>>842328
Retard
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:41:41 UTC No. 845315
>>842594
What course should I pirate? I'm not that anon but I have a cgpeers account so I could probably find it there
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Anonymous at Fri, 20 Aug 2021 15:15:45 UTC No. 845388
>>842302
May I suggest starting small like this cute Farmer Rei? It can be done in Blender (piece of shit) or Zbrush (shits on Blender).
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Aug 2021 15:25:41 UTC No. 845391
>>842318
Blender doesn't even have a circular array modifier.
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Aug 2021 18:14:02 UTC No. 845424
>>842302
zbrush = sculpting
3ds Max = hardsurface modeling
texturing.xyz = skin textures
substance 3d = clothing textures
marvelous designer = clothing
marmoset toolbag = rendering