Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 21:42:19 UTC No. 842482

>>842480
Strive is 3D. It all comes down to writing good shaders

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 22:00:32 UTC No. 842483

No, look at studio blur.

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Aug 2021 22:59:16 UTC No. 842487

>>842480
If you try to copy something which already exists in another medium, you have one way to get it right and thousands of ways to do it wrong.
3D looks soulless when it tries to emulate 2D and fail, there's plenty of original styles unique to 3D that look awesome.

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 00:22:08 UTC No. 842493

>>842480
it's mostly nostalgia, in an alternative universe where 3d came before 2d most people would still say that all the old versions are soul and new is soulless

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 03:42:16 UTC No. 842511

>>842480
ears, nuff said.

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 05:33:09 UTC No. 842527

>>842480
>the 2D version has details and obviously looks painted with care
>90s anime

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 07:17:32 UTC No. 842537

>>842480
>painted with care
I can easily say that the 3D version was modelled with care. You're like a person comparing a horse-carriage to a car from the 1900's. Just because one is better than the other it doesn't mean the same will be true a few years from now.

We're in a time period when 3D and 2D are finally merging into one. The philosophy of these 2 types of artists was once very different but they're slowly learning from each other. Look at Strive to see what the future will hold for fake 2D visuals. 2D is a dying medium at worst, and at best it's being absorbed into the 3D medium.

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 08:17:32 UTC No. 842543

>>842482
what's strive

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 08:58:23 UTC No. 842544

One doesn't inherently less soul than the other. You're just cherry picking a shit model. Anime can translate just fine into 3D if you're not ass at sculpting and shading. see pic related

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 09:10:08 UTC No. 842546

pokemon is soulless corporate trash and your sugar-addled consoomer brain is clouded by nostalgia.

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 09:39:20 UTC No. 842549

>>842480
No, it's just harder. 3D needs much more care in every aspect, especially the lighting and texturing. Also, the real soul in 3d comes from the animation.

Also also, I've been saying this for fucking years. 3D is not cheap 2D. Whenever someone brings up shitty CG it's always from a company who thinks 3D is just cheaper and easier than traditional animation

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 12:40:33 UTC No. 842569

>>842543
He's probably talking about Guilty Gear Strive

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Aug 2021 13:03:18 UTC No. 842572

>>842569
Yes he is and strive is fucking great

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Aug 2021 01:42:10 UTC No. 842653

>>842527
>>842537
>>842546
It was either pokemon, disney princesses or peppa pig

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Aug 2021 01:43:34 UTC No. 842654

>>842549
>Also, the real soul in 3d comes from the animation.
So if your 3d model isn't too mobile for whatever reason (not saying that it's without animations) it will be (extra) soulless?

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Aug 2021 10:10:51 UTC No. 842720

>>842569
Yes, I'm talking about guilty gear. 2D has been solved and is now achievable in 3d if you can write custom shaders. Vid related is so beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEK2fDBspEA

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Aug 2021 10:17:11 UTC No. 842721

>>842720
>>842720
>2D has been solved and is now achievable in 3d

Don't get me wrong, it looks good, but you'd have to be blind to confuse it for 2D art, even in a still frame, it's still obviously 3D.

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Aug 2021 10:30:01 UTC No. 842722

>>842721
its not "obvious" unless you visit 3dcg sites and have an interest. Kids (literal kids) cant even tell.

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Aug 2021 11:21:08 UTC No. 842724

handpainted textures with 3d models are peak soul
sadly the pbr workflow turned everything into substance painter models, which is understandable thought because painting pbr textures manually costs lots of time

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Aug 2021 11:22:22 UTC No. 842725

>>842721
I've seen people on this board post many times screenshots from Dorohedoro asking how to achieve that level of faux 2d look. Problem was that said screenshots were of hand-drawn 2D scenes from the show.

You might think you can tell but in reality someone told you it was 3D first, then you suddenly developed an eye for it.

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Aug 2021 14:16:42 UTC No. 842738

>>842725
Not him, but:

1) he was being hyperbolic
2) what miyazaki an others discovered after extensive research into the question of 3d vs 2d is that humans are used to the myriad imperfectsion and orthographic impossiblities of 2D.
The best looking 3D in the style of 2D, which I will call 2D-like, involves recreating those imperfections and impossibilities by distorting models relative to the camera and other trickery like for example with Guilty Gear Xrd (and I assume Strive) each character has their own hand tweaked shadows independent of the actual lighting, and each of the three shadow channels (or whatever they're called; the hard, mid, and light shadows) can be tweaked

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Aug 2021 09:13:11 UTC No. 842866

>>842544
>see pic related
looks like shit

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Aug 2021 09:49:36 UTC No. 842872

>>842866
>doesn’t have an eye for what a good 2D to 3D translation looks like

Ngmi

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Aug 2021 12:15:19 UTC No. 842898

>>842872
It does look like shit

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Aug 2021 12:54:20 UTC No. 842912

>>842480
no bully
>you can barelyrotate the camera or ctrl Z

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Aug 2021 23:29:03 UTC No. 842987

>>842480
Every frame in hand drawn animation must be drawn, inked, and colored, and that's usually apparent. Effort and time per frame is dozens of times larger in hand drawn animation than 3dcg. Not to say that 3dcg can't be SOULful, but it's harder to pull off.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Aug 2021 00:57:30 UTC No. 842997

>>842987
That doesnt really mean alot. Other than it takes alot of labor to get projects done. But that doesnt mean people who work on animated films with motion capture dont put pride and effort into their work. Watch something like the incredibles or moana.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Aug 2021 07:21:40 UTC No. 843023

>>842997
some faggot produced the dancing delivery burger guy. Literally no soul whatsoever and that type of cancerous art is the standard. Fuck off pretending there's any sort of pride in that. Except maybe gay pride.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Aug 2021 09:36:16 UTC No. 843027

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Aug 2021 10:03:10 UTC No. 843028

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Aug 2021 11:24:43 UTC No. 843030

>>843027
Not yours. Seek help.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Aug 2021 11:54:08 UTC No. 843032

>>843030
I didn't say or in any way imply it was mine. Seek help.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 00:20:02 UTC No. 843133

>not using cel-shading to get the perfect balance

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 02:44:59 UTC No. 843140

>>843032
Can i get the source for this? Looks amazing.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 04:09:24 UTC No. 843145

>>843140
Hirokazu Yokohara. >>843027 and webm related are also by him.
https://vimeo.com/578161957

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 04:40:02 UTC No. 843146

this stupid fucking thread will go to 150+ replies won't it

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 05:18:25 UTC No. 843148

>>843146
Honestly not even in the top 75 stupidest threads currently in the catalog.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 14:32:21 UTC No. 843186

>>842480
How do you make 3d look 2d like pic rel?
This has so much soul

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 15:14:30 UTC No. 843189

>>843186
>That
>Soul

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 15:26:27 UTC No. 843193

>>843145
thanks, friend!

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 20:51:53 UTC No. 843229

>>842722
>Kids (literal kids) cant even tell
kids can't tell a lot of things retard
>>843186
hand painted textures over 3D + cartoon shader

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 21:33:46 UTC No. 843240

>>843028
DUDE WHAT THE FUCK THAT'S A CHILD'S VAGINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 22:55:28 UTC No. 843252

>>843186
>soul
yikes

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Aug 2021 22:57:13 UTC No. 843253

>>843145
>90s style
lol no
people have retarded memory

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Aug 2021 00:07:51 UTC No. 843262

>>842493
Not really, the 3D one just doesn't look as interesting, comes off as a knock off and awkward. Why even look that way if they're going for 3D. They're either mimicking the 2D or messing it up in 3D.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Aug 2021 20:10:53 UTC No. 843827

>>842738
Did JoJo's 3D OPs used realistic lighting? All Star Battle used a cel shader and a hatch shader at the same time. It also made textures appear to have higher contrast depending on the postilion of the camera.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Aug 2021 20:29:44 UTC No. 843833

>>843240
nah, she is a thousand year old demon.
Or an timeless alien.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Aug 2021 22:05:57 UTC No. 843856

>>843827
No, Lightwave's native / legacy shaders and its Unreal cel shader plugin. Some fine tuning concerning lines and shading was done in compositing.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Aug 2021 22:47:14 UTC No. 843862

>>843856
>LW's renderer + Unreal/UnrealX2 + AE
This has been Kamikaze Douga's workflow for many years. It's a smaller studio but they somehow get by on smaller Anime productions, commercials, music videos and promos. Their latest works includes an entry in the Star Wars: Visions Anime Anthology.

Mirai Koshi: Harima SACLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G64-xD-mnw

Sturgill Simpson - Sing Along (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpSMoBp8awM

Kamikaze Douga Animation Works 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgCpPnid-XE

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Aug 2021 22:58:30 UTC No. 843865

>>843856
>>843862
Thanks!

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Aug 2021 00:16:56 UTC No. 843883

did someone say soul?

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Aug 2021 10:20:16 UTC No. 844170

>>842537
fuck off 3d faggot

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:12:16 UTC No. 845249

bump

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Aug 2021 18:46:32 UTC No. 845659

>>842724
Ah Silkroad the memories, that game was fun with friends, grindy as fuck though

meatball at Sun, 22 Aug 2021 09:10:33 UTC No. 845787

>>842544
based
>>842866
wrong, this movie was very much not shit, in fact it looked great

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Aug 2021 13:57:47 UTC No. 845825

>>842480
The anime stylization was built in a 2D environment. Not a given that even a 1:1 recreation will look "natural" in 3D. Notice in particular Ash's eye in the 2D frame. they are taking advantage of the 2D medium to give him an unnatural profile that makes the eye look more organic, lively and engaged. In the 3D mesh the eyes are in front of the head, so you don't get the same level of engagement.

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Aug 2021 07:49:09 UTC No. 846817

>>842480
it design and animation thats carries the flaws

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Aug 2021 15:11:28 UTC No. 846869

>>843186
I think they did a decent job of 3D stylization, but why waste it on PHONE BAD the movie?

Anonymous at Sun, 29 Aug 2021 15:40:01 UTC No. 847343

>>843862
Are all the smoke/spark/explosion effects rotoscoped in this?

They look really good

Anonymous at Sun, 29 Aug 2021 15:44:22 UTC No. 847345

>>842544
is that a younger kazuma?