Anonymous at Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:07:22 UTC No. 858028

>>858023
what a long winded way of saying you're not talented.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Oct 2021 17:10:51 UTC No. 858044

Big companies are the only thing that can unfuck blender soon as hobbyists only care about dumb shit, case in point Amazon bankrolling fixing animation.

Case in point for hobbyists being retarded, OP who made no points about the software itself, probably because he doesn't really use it

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Oct 2021 19:05:19 UTC No. 858059

>>858023
>corporations making decision
>but only big companies cam make decisions over it
prove it, give at least 2 examples
you can't because it isn't true.
Ton and the devs make the decisions, companies are free to give money or do stuff themself but they cannot overrule the actual devs.
>Blender 3D getting overall bloated
getting more features isn't the same as getting bloated.
>2.7 was the peak of usability,
bullshit. I am using Blender since 2.6 and it has never been as usable as it is right now
>just enough for someone to do anything
more bullshit, it couldn't do anything, not even close. Just because it appeared right for you, doesn't mean it was for everybody else.
there is a solid solution for people like you: stick with 2.7 or 2.8, nobody forces you to upgrade

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:40:45 UTC No. 858071

>>858023
i get you bro. i just cant get behind something once it starts becoming too mainstream.
once everyone start liking/using something I'm out.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:51:13 UTC No. 858073

just admit that there's too many tools you don't know how to use

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Oct 2021 21:01:54 UTC No. 858074

>>858023
It's a meme to keep people away from the actual CG industry that would get you a job. Excellent way to stave away the competition.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Oct 2021 21:13:38 UTC No. 858080

>>858074
DELET THIS

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Oct 2021 22:30:53 UTC No. 858107

>>858071
Is this based on something solid and tangible or are you just a contrarian for the sake of contrarianism?
The mindset does have a reason to exist if you take subculture and how it gets eaten by mainstream for example (with subcultures almost always superior to mainstream-culture), but when it comes to tools you are shooting yourself in the foot.
Do you think self-harm is sexy and makes you special somehow?

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Oct 2021 23:13:55 UTC No. 858115

>>858023
What features would you want?

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 00:30:12 UTC No. 858123

>>858059
>prove it
https://fund.blender.org/
>Ton and the devs make the decisions
Tom is corrupt and has no voice
>getting more features isn't the same as getting bloated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep
>it has never been as usable as it is right now
muh interface and clickable stuff
>more bullshit, it couldn't do anything, not even close.
because you are a retard who cant learn basic keynav shit

cope

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 00:37:46 UTC No. 858124

>>858059
>I am using Blender since 2.6 and it has never been as usable as it is right now

Viewport performance is still way worse than 2.79

I don't see anything usable about running at 0.2 FPS.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 00:42:10 UTC No. 858126

>>858115
I don't want more features, not now or at least really useful ones
the last useful thing added to blender was the UDIM UV thing, in my opinion
other features are just fancy useless things
and the older tools are getting outdated
why not work on them and then make more features?
things that are still the same since 2.4
the "new features" mentality is a problem

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 00:56:47 UTC No. 858128

>>858059
>Ton and the devs make the decisions, companies are free to give money or do stuff themself but they cannot overrule the actual devs.
don't be naive, have a look at pic related

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 01:00:17 UTC No. 858129

>>858023
What a pathetic crybabby you are

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 01:00:27 UTC No. 858131

>>858128
yes and thus far the only company who has specified what to do is amazon who is funding fixing the character animation, do you have a problem with that?

https://www.blender.org/press/aws-joins-the-blender-development-fund/

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 01:02:48 UTC No. 858132

>>858131
>do you have a problem with that?
no, because I don't use Blender and most likely will never have to

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 01:04:17 UTC No. 858133

Is Apple gonna do to Blender what they did to Flash? I'm nervous bros

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 01:05:19 UTC No. 858134

>>858129
>you should not have an opinion about problems
sneed

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 01:17:49 UTC No. 858137

>>858133

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 03:37:07 UTC No. 858149

>>858126
They're only useless because you're too much of a brainlet to make use of them.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 05:45:14 UTC No. 858159

>>858124
>Viewport performance is still way worse than 2.79
true and valid criticism, but this isn't making the program unusable - its painful though
>>858128
is only related to what THEY pay for.
>>858123
>https://fund.blender.org/
proves that they take money for funding, nothing else.
>Tom is corrupt and has no voice
You are retarded and have no arguments
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep
only a retard would argue against more features
>muh interface and clickable stuff
I use shortcuts and pie menus, cry harder
>because you are a retard who cant learn basic keynav shit
I am not talking about navigation you fucking retard, I am talking about ability of the tools
>>858134
what problems? The only problem mentioned in this thread is the viewport and general performance regress.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 09:16:25 UTC No. 858166

>>858023
>corporations making decision
I wish, then corpo overlords would tell everyone to stfu and work on half the core features that are broken and the other half that is still broken . It’s not just a viewport and mesh edit shitting themselves, sculpt on the base mesh in multires is a good feature, if only I could fucking use it since it lags hard as fuck even on ‘mid poly’.

This is literally the thing of open sauce development, everyone working on what they want. I hope eventually animation gets upgraded with amazonbux and (afaik) that ex maya dev keeps whipping dev team so they stay on corse and not just keep adding some Meometry nodes that oh shit do break down the next update so now you have AN ANOTHER ONE to fix. Otherwise it’s usually ‘here is some money and we just implement your shit to work on our shit the end’ level of involvement from outside funds aka Nvidia and now Apple.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 11:54:53 UTC No. 858174

>>858159
>isn't making the program unusable
2.8 to 2.9 got a little faster, but still a brick compared to 2.7 speed
>is only related to what THEY pay for.
what they pay for seems to be the only happenings for blender
>You are retarded and have no arguments
Tom is corrupt and has no voice, this is my argument
>only a retard would argue against more features
More ≠ Better, more features don't change the fact that most of the tools in blender are getting outdated
>I use shortcuts and pie menus, cry harder
must click stuff
>I am talking about ability of the tools
the outdated tools?

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 13:20:16 UTC No. 858179

>>858159
>what problems?
Animation, Rigging, Retopology, UV, Texturing, performance in all the modes in general, Simultaions, import/export problems, but hey they have to redo cycles to add 15% performance because that's what they use in the Blender studio and, for some reson, Houdini shit nobody asked for too........

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 13:49:13 UTC No. 858184

>>858179
it's fixable but annoying because other programs don't have those annoyance. It's very easy to break things unintentionally in blender

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 15:35:57 UTC No. 858200

>>858184
>it's fixable but...
but the devs will work on new features instead of fixing anything

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:00:56 UTC No. 858210

>>858174
>but still a brick compared to 2.7 speed
they say they have fixed the regress with version 3. Do we believe them? Allegedly, people testing Alpha versions have confirmed this. We'll see soon enough.
>what they pay for seems to be the only happenings for blender
not true, they didn't pay for Pablo's Sculpting stuff, Brechts new Cycles X, Geometry Nodes etc. So far I am hard-pressed to recognize the features they actually paid for. What are they?
>Tom is corrupt and has no voice, this is my argument
And I don't believe you.
>More ≠ Better, more features don't change the fact that most of the tools in blender are getting outdated
true, but you have to accept the reality of things. New stuff is added by devs who wouldn't or don't know how to touch old features.
Many of the new features are really useful, some are duds, all in all its a plus.
The fact that old tools are rotting is the reality for all DCCs. Guess what users of C4d, Max and Maya are complaining the most about.
>the outdated tools?
I share your opinion about it, but the argument was that 2.7 is somehow the pinnacle of usability, when it has the same and tons of problems more.
You may criticise their focus and priorities, and I am with you, but there are only so many core devs who are able to fix old stuff, I don't think they wasting their time completely - could be better, but there is an constant development in the right direction. Arguably Blender and Houdini are the 2 DCC's that move the most in the right direction. I am a "the glass is half full" type of guy. I appreciate what we get - its better than nothing.
Imagine being a C4d guy and paying for this shit and getting nothing of value in return. Grass is always greener? Not really in this case.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:11:39 UTC No. 858213

>>858023
You’re allowed to code python into blender

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:12:25 UTC No. 858214

>>858179
>but hey they have to redo cycles to add 15% performance
That's were Brecht's speciality lies and he can't do the other stuff. You expect him to not do what he can do best? Redoing Cycles opens the doors to new features like Light Groups and more modern algorithms that benefit Cycles in the long run. No resources are wasted on this that could be spent otherwise - its a good development.
>Animation, Rigging, Retopology,
I am using Maya for that so IDGAF, but yeah all of it needs an overhaul.
They also got money from a company for that (ubisoft?) and they hired an ex-Maya dev for animation, rigging and are in the planning phase. Stuff like this doesn't happen over night.
>UV, Texturing
Yeah, this is low hanging fruit, I really don't know why they don't put some priorities on it. Valid criticism.
>Simultaions
I wouldn't expect them to ever be good - putting manpower in this is a waste of time. Learn Houdini!
>Houdini shit nobody asked for too....
I low-key agree with that.
>but the devs will work on new features instead of fixing anything
I already mentioned in my last post that they have to work with what they have. Most of the new devs that arrived since 2.8 are not able to fix old stuff. It takes a special breed of developer to be able to do that and there are not many available.

You guys all paint the picture that the situation is hopeless and that there isn't any valuable development happening when nothing could be further from the truth. Blender moves forward like it has never before. Stop being entitled Bitches and be a little grateful for what is actually happening with it. Its mostly good.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:04:00 UTC No. 858227

>>858214
Blender is Unfixable, it will just keep getting worse and worse

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Oct 2021 21:06:44 UTC No. 858247

>>858210
>people testing Alpha versions have confirmed this. We'll see soon enough.
Just download the alpha and try it. It's not like they're keeping it from you.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Oct 2021 00:15:23 UTC No. 858278

>>858247
no but unless its in a full release it doesn't mean anything. Who knows if it will be present then or regress back if they merge master and other branches.
I refrain from judging it until it is in an official release.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Oct 2021 11:08:57 UTC No. 858332

>>858071
So you do hard surface modeling in z Brush

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Oct 2021 00:41:34 UTC No. 858470

>>858332
That's really normal tho

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Oct 2021 01:06:15 UTC No. 858471

This is some heavy software hipster autism.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Oct 2021 01:15:42 UTC No. 858472

>>858471
there is a surprisingly large number of hobbyist 3d afficianados who actually do no modeling whatsoever and just seem to like following computer graphics, maybe sometimes making a random simulation animation etc.

They have the luxury or being like this because they never need to make anything of quality.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Oct 2021 01:35:21 UTC No. 858475

3.0's video editor is unironically fucking amazing
they took all the functionality of the addons everyone had to apply to make it usable and just shoved it into the official build

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Oct 2021 01:40:05 UTC No. 858476

>>858475
I think I'll stick with premiere

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Oct 2021 06:57:09 UTC No. 858521

>>858071
ah, so your retarded

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:52:40 UTC No. 858587

>tried to install blender 3.0 recently
>requires windows 10

so tiresome, i really think i will finally install linux for the first time before i will upgrade to microshit botnet.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Oct 2021 21:14:59 UTC No. 858669

>>858587
Oh look, a conspiracy theorist.
Look at him and laugh.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Oct 2021 23:25:46 UTC No. 858921

>>858470
Yes but not mainstream at all.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Oct 2021 23:31:27 UTC No. 858922

>>858521
you’re*

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Oct 2021 00:40:52 UTC No. 858933

>>858587
It must be insanely hard to be dumb and retarded. I feel bad for you honestly.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Oct 2021 01:14:23 UTC No. 858936

>>858587
https://github.com/nalexandru/BlenderCompat

>>858669
>>858933
>an OS that literally tells you "we are spying on you, this is the data we collect, you cannot turn it off" in its EULA being spyware is a conspiracy theory
I hate /3/ so much.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Oct 2021 01:17:06 UTC No. 858937

>>858587
Linux is great you won't regret it. I recommend Manjaro

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Oct 2021 01:19:28 UTC No. 858938

>>858936
Uh sweaty, Windows is the industry STANDARD and therefore it's good because it just is okay???

Wanting to install an OS that's smaller, faster, only does what you want, and can literally be configured so that only 8 megabytes of ram are used by the OS is absolutely NOT the standard!

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Oct 2021 01:28:53 UTC No. 858940

>>858938
Shame it can't be configured to have a functional desktop environment or run the software I need to use, though.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Oct 2021 01:47:08 UTC No. 858943

>>858938
the industry standard for high-end 3D is Linux

Windows and macOS are for plebs

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Oct 2021 02:06:26 UTC No. 858945

>>858936
I still can't imagine being so fucking retarded that you can't use scripts and an offline computer. Now you're just embarrassing yourself with how dumb/paranoid you are.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Oct 2021 03:27:34 UTC No. 858951

>>858945
Or, get this, you could just have an operating system that you don't have to fight at every single turn like it's a malicious adversary. Are you actively opposed to software being good just for the sake of smug contrarianism?

...Wait, I'm in a Blender thread. Of course.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Nov 2021 23:22:44 UTC No. 859981

I kind of get where OP's coming from. I think, especially in free software, the new features, especially performance changing features should all be toggles when installing. I don't want to build Blender myself from source every single time.

Every update should consist of an announcement
>We've added these features
>this is what happens when you enable them when installing, this is what breaks, and this is what just benefits your workflow or performance without any downsides unless it being there at all bothers you
>when you're installing, tick what you want and don't want, bearing in mind some of them depend on others

Not the usual
>it's finally here!111
>these are the new features
>take them, make another copy of Blender somewhere on your computer, or leave them.
It just doesn't seem optimal for users or devs. Two steps forward, one step back.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Nov 2021 23:24:44 UTC No. 859982

>>858940
>Shame it can't be configured to have a functional desktop environment
Sure it can.

>or run the software I need to use, though.
You mean videogames. Most of the things you need to work, will work, and they'll work without clunky windows sitting on resources

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Nov 2021 02:12:58 UTC No. 860002

>>859981
>this is what happens when you enable them when installing, this is what breaks, and this is what just benefits your workflow or performance without any downsides unless it being there at all bothers you
>when you're installing, tick what you want and don't want, bearing in mind some of them depend on others
No major programs at all does this. Least of all 3d programs.
The most that a program will let you choose when installing is languages and type associations.