Anonymous at Tue, 10 May 2022 19:12:31 UTC No. 896475

Just go on artstation and search for big games and look at people who made the art. That's the level you need to be at.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 May 2022 20:14:00 UTC No. 896488

>>896475
But how would I know what's "entry level" and what's "seasoned veteran"?

Anonymous at Tue, 10 May 2022 20:25:37 UTC No. 896491

>>896474
What you don't understand is that its not about the portfolio - its about what its like working with you 40+ hours a week. You have to be a good coworker and not just some little prick who grates on everyone with some terrible attitude

Anonymous at Tue, 10 May 2022 20:26:56 UTC No. 896492

>>896488
There is no real distinction (besides pay) between entry level and senior anymore. No one has time to hand hold newbies in a production setting, you either hit your notes or you're out.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 May 2022 21:13:51 UTC No. 896498

>>896491
>You have to be a good coworker and not just some little prick who grates on everyone with some terrible attitude
Basically the reason some people on this board are jobless.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 May 2022 21:24:57 UTC No. 896503

>>896492
Wait, if that's the case, then how come seniors don't get fired for cheaper, entry level juniors who are more or less the same in talent output?

Anonymous at Tue, 10 May 2022 21:45:29 UTC No. 896507

>>896503
Because the plan is to shrink art departments to just a few slavemasters to crack the whip at outsourced labor. Juniors don't get hired, period, unless they're a discount senior (ie. great value).

Anonymous at Tue, 10 May 2022 22:07:08 UTC No. 896511

>>896491
I am well liked by my peers (in 3d school) but I am bipolar and have a lot of trouble with being on time. I always get the work done though and stay late but I usually come in late to lectures or group meetings. Can I still get a job or am I fucked

Anonymous at Tue, 10 May 2022 22:56:14 UTC No. 896517

>>896474
Look up some work from students that got hired recently.

But yeah, I also think this is true >>896492
Shit's crazy, you basically have to be an accomplished artist already just to land a junior position these days. Be it props, characters, environments or something else, you need to know your shit and already be capable of creating a quality work to be considered.

Try to get to a level of work that is on ArtStation trending, the quality still varies there, I'm not saying you should compete with best of the best, but the ones that were still good enough to reach lower trending rows. (I know reaching trending isn't just about the quality of your work, but still)

Anonymous at Wed, 11 May 2022 18:44:44 UTC No. 896650

>>896517
Ok, thanks for your insightful comment.

If I'm not on par with senior level of skills, should I even try to bother applying for jobs as an 3D artist at all?

To me it sounds like you're gonna either spend a lot of time with 3D art as a hobby/side hustle trying to improve...

Or

Completely give up on 3D art as a professional endeavor whatsoever.

I don't want to sound bitter or anything, but how realistic are the chances to get an entry level position?

Anonymous at Wed, 11 May 2022 21:38:19 UTC No. 896669

>>896474
why would you willingly participate in the slavery of wagecucking?

working for a company means you'll have to become a clown, so that HR wants to hire you

if you're a leftist then that's easy

better get a job as a manager/supervisor

artist are easy to manage and those that you don't like you can easily fuck with them

I get my wagecucks to do unpaid overtime all the time and I get to look good to my boss

stay freelance if you want to create

Anonymous at Wed, 11 May 2022 22:06:32 UTC No. 896674

>>896503
1.) because that anon's full of shit
2.) in bigger places, seniors often don't just have a lot of general experience, but they know how to push stuff through the company pipe by simple virtue of having worked long enough at that place. specifically, they know all the quirks and workarounds and shits that even newly hired seniors don't know and won't know until at least a year or so down the line.

one thing is true, someone with only a superficial knowledge of photoshop would land a junior position even at the high-end places 20 years ago.
but 20 years ago photoshop was barely a decade or so old and consumer pcs still mounted voodoo gpus.

it's easy to forget just how fucking fast this industry runs.
today any retard can follow some mediocre tutorial on youtube and shit something decent out in an evening on any mid-range computer, that was unthinkable in the early 2000s. however, copying some dude's homework doesn't prove you're actually capable of anything.
therefore, junior position requirements have been "adjusted for inflation", but they've always been "someone who shows genuine interest in the job".
In 2001, that meant managing to run photoshop on your home computer
In 2022, that means doing something more than just the donut tutorial.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 May 2022 22:17:49 UTC No. 896677

This thread is depressing and makes me revaluate my choices, a friend of mine had a shitty 6 months programming course and the moment he finished it tons of employment requests, plus inhouse training from a senior, a year later he works from home with an above average wage.
3D seems to have way higher requirements and worse conditions, starting out in this industry seems a nightmare.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 May 2022 23:12:50 UTC No. 896683

>>896677
This is how things work for at least 20 years. Even basic tester which ended 3-months course will get more money and job vacancies than some one who worked on 3D skill for 5 years.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 May 2022 23:23:04 UTC No. 896684

>>896677

I've been programming for about two years and still can't get a job.

I think your friend just got lucky.

I'm making an adult 3D game now so will hopefully be making money soon from 3D.

Money is sort of pointless anyway. Travel is not that expensive, video games aren't that expensive.

Only thing that is expensive is girls.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 May 2022 23:34:01 UTC No. 896686

>>896650
I mean, sure, what's there to lose? It depends on your skills, we don't know what you're capable of. It's not like it's impossible, but I'm kinda biased t b h since all recruiters came to me instead. So yeah, ultimately it really depends on your portfolio. Smaller indie studios may have lower standards so it would probably be easier to get a job there.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 May 2022 02:36:02 UTC No. 896701

>>896491
>you have to be a good little goy who joins our cancerous telegram channel and engage in office politics and gargles corporate cum
OP what matters is getting so good at your thing that you will be in high demand by art directors to the point where you can make guys like this do all the retopology for you.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 May 2022 03:23:16 UTC No. 896704

>>896511
Terrible attitude is generally a boomer phrase denoting obedience to wagecuck hierarchy so in this regard it means compromising your model 100% for senior riggers and sucking their cocks while they make no concessions themselves.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 May 2022 04:24:05 UTC No. 896707

>>896704
But it works, though. In fact, just about anything fucking works when it comes to work culture, as long as you have the politics on your side.

I'm amazed that there are people that do this shit for money when sincere artists are out there doing their work for free. It's so easy to shoot anyone down if they're your coworker or underling that I'm actually surprised anyone survives.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 May 2022 21:57:02 UTC No. 897036

How hard is it actually to get into your average AAA studio? I never applied anywhere because client studios came to me and I'm working as a freelancer, but I always wondered. These days I feel like the standards are actually lower than I thought when I was a noobie, but maybe that's just because I grew as a 3D artist as well. How often is it to be approached by leads from big studios, too?

Because when you think about it, there can't actually be thousands of awesome artists that would fill up the space in all those studios, most of them just have to be average by a rule of nature. I've seen all kinds of people getting into some famous studios, and the quality varies a lot.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 May 2022 15:11:31 UTC No. 897132

>>896474

Just be a STEM wagie obviously and work on your creativity on the side. Granted you are consistent, your work would rival that of artstation trending artists.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 May 2022 19:47:11 UTC No. 897186

>>896704
Don't forget entitlement. Want to shame and control some prevent them from asking for a raise? Just scream entitlement.

Sigma at Sun, 15 May 2022 23:23:12 UTC No. 897409

>>896686
True, true.

Well, to be honest I think I'm not good enough to work there yet, though I am close.

Guess I'll just post my portfolio link and video channel.

Kinda gave up on working for a studio or a company.

Especially now that we have NFTs (yes I know we're in a bear market right now and things aren't looking too well financially) and artists like Beeple literally made millions off their art.

Portfolio: https://www.artstation.com/heir_of_sigma
Video Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeirofSigma

P.S : Some videos might be useful for you guys, it has tutorials in it. Feedback is appreciated.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 00:14:47 UTC No. 897415

>>897409
>https://www.artstation.com/heir_of_sigma
You're making a super common beginner mistake which is to try every sub-discipline at once. You have random bad hard surface, random bad characters, random bad stylized art, some weird ass photoshop shit, it's just... too many things, all executed at a low quality level.

Studios don't hire junior generalists with 3 months of experience in 8 different domains totaling 2 years of work, they hire juniors with a specialization (characters, hard-surface, environments, textures, fx, etc.) they have 2 years of *focused* work in.
If you wanna make it in the industry, pick the thing you enjoy doing the most, find some RECENT tutorials made by INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS to follow, and go all-in on that thing. Stop spreading your efforts too thin.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 00:17:19 UTC No. 897417

>>897409
Your topology is awful, you'd be a nightmare to work with. Back to basics, box model a character with wireframr references.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 00:20:08 UTC No. 897418

>>897415
I thought you were kidding, but you're right. Everything's in there.
Focus on one field. And I mean focus. Do a good project and polish it to high heavens. It shows your capabilities.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 00:54:12 UTC No. 897421

>>897409
I honestly don't know why you're getting crabbed on so much. The stuff you've made is a bit of a mixed bag in terms of quality, but most of the people on this board can't create some of the things you made. Your models aren't the best, but there not at all bad, I think a couple of anons on this board are just being autists by labeling everything as terrible if it's not the best. If you want to get a job, just specialize on something and improve on it, you have a lot more potential than some of these other retards.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 01:16:05 UTC No. 897425

Legit question here:
What do you consider to be the best option?
*learning things at school? Or *watch videos and tutorials online in order to improve?

Sigma at Mon, 16 May 2022 01:26:11 UTC No. 897427

>>897417
Whoa, really? I thought my topology was good.

Why is it bad?

Anyway, yeah it is as I thought.

I guess I'll just stay a hobbyist artist and work some day job that's unrelated, then.

To be fair, my biggest obstacle - besides being a poor generalist - was:

having a mother which was pressuring me to learn faster.
I assumed knowing more general skills would be a wise choice to get hired, but I was indeed wrong, it seems.

Well, thanks for the information, guys.
At least now I know it's not an option at all.

Sigma at Mon, 16 May 2022 01:27:17 UTC No. 897428

>>897425
Online tutorials.

Art schools just make people with even worse skills than mine, to be honest.

I've seen portfolios from fresh out of college artists.

It's bad shit.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 01:32:54 UTC No. 897429

>>897428
do you have artstation account or something like that?

Sigma at Mon, 16 May 2022 01:45:38 UTC No. 897434

>>897429
Yeah, scroll up.

But here: https://www.artstation.com/heir_of_sigma

Give whatever feedback you want.
At this point, I don't care anymore.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 02:27:03 UTC No. 897439

>>897434
No no I'm just started trying stuff on zbrush mate two months ago (Dude I'm a vet student but I always wanted to learn 3D).

Look this is shit, anyway I'm goig to look for more tutorials and stuff.
Good luck mate.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 07:11:48 UTC No. 897462

>>897427
I don't know why he thinks your topology is bad. I can only guess he's saying that because he has some sort of mental disorder from browsing this site too much that makes him want to compulsively put other people down. Some people on here are just like that.

I've seen games with models that are way worse than what you make, so I guess you don't really know whether or not you can get a career in 3d unless you try for a job application. I going to guess that you're a younger individual with your talk about your mother and rushing yourself into a career, but you may find interest in a career that isn't 3d modeling. For example, I originally started programming because I wanted to make games, but I eventually found that programming business applications is still tolerable, but it provides a more stable income, and it doesn't drain any of my creativity like working on a game I don't care about might.

I think the thing you may want to work on the most is your confidence.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 07:49:40 UTC No. 897473

>>897427
https://64.media.tumblr.com/778e2f4e615cab64359638667a50fedc/tumblr_inline_o6vaxu1zdG1tsrpfp_1280.png
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/c1/69/d5/c169d57db560fe14460d2fc02b3c25c1.jpg
https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/TruthWalker/03.jpg
These are topo of varying styles, polycounts, and for different purposes. But what is the single unifying attribute they all have?
Their topology is ***what it would look like if the character was real***.
All art is ultimately derivative from real life. It is a fact. You cannot depict what is not possible for your brain to perceive. This is also why 4D nonsense is bullshit and just representative, not what they actually look like, because our brain literally cannot comprehend it.
Back on topic, look at the glabella on your model. Now look at the references. Now use your finger and feel your own face irl.
Now look at the weird little point your made at the bottom right of the chin on your model. Now look at the topoflow of all the others. Now feel your own chin.
This also applies to: the topo of your eye sockets, the connective skin to your ears, the weird, non-circular edge loop from your nose to the mouth area.
Study more. Feel your body whenever in doubt, because again, artistic depitction is ALWAYS grounded in reality. Your topology IS awful. I just didn't have the time to explain why until this fucking nonce >>897462 tried to butter you up. Sorry, but you will get no improvement from the true crabs like these, who want you to stay beg to thin out their competition. Oh, and one last tip? Don't fucking post your work on anon boards in the future.
Inevitably, some begcrabs are going to say my tips are bullshit or if I really cared I would've posted this in the first place, but I'm too busy picking the mystery meat off my teeth from eating at a Hilton hotel with the money I've made from 3D. Am I bullshitting you? Or are the people who will only praise others into permabeg bullshitting you? You decide. Fuck this board.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 07:53:18 UTC No. 897474

>>897473
based mistery meat enjoyer

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 08:03:45 UTC No. 897480

>>897474
Well, I know it's fish from the texture, but the retards working at the buffet forgot to label it so for all I know I could've ate a porcupine or something.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 08:06:36 UTC No. 897481

>>897409
The 3d industry is a joke.

Dude being honest with you, I'm like way better than you are and still never had a job in this industry, I started with 3d in 2017 after dropping out from college as a comp science major, and if I had pour the time and effort I put into 3d these past years I'd be a senior programmer by now, and yet after spending all those hours learning art fundamentals, I'm still a jobless loser.

Believe me, just looking at your stuff, you don't have it, and 3d is not about effort, it's about talent, you either have it or you don't, and you don't have it, sorry.

If I were in your position I'd invest my time in a proper, respectable skill, like programming, if you still like to do art maybe look into something like a technical artist, cause even if you make it in 3d people won't even take you seriously and you will always be under paid.

Take my advice, that's what I'm doing now, 29 and is back to coding for me.
I could even post my work, which I had sometimes on this board, I don't really even care anymore.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 11:13:53 UTC No. 897502

>>897481
>Believe me, just looking at your stuff, you don't have it, and 3d is not about effort, it's about talent, you either have it or you don't, and you don't have it, sorry.
will you shut the fuck up already you fucking loser, its like blind leading the blind. Its easy to get a job from polycount job board and almost anyone can do it, especially this guy. Just stfu and go away

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 11:57:19 UTC No. 897506

>>897434
Reminds me too much of the WIP thread. What do you like the most? Rocks? Then you be the rock guy that anyone can depend on. I personally dont like to be an autist rock guy myself.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 16:12:04 UTC No. 897543

>>897473
I think I see what you mean now. His topology is all quads and is organized, but the flow is weird. Just describing something as bad like you did previously doesn't help people, and you could have elaborated on why it's bad without writing an essay. I think you should use some of the money you made to go get some psychiatric help.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 16:50:45 UTC No. 897553

>>897543
And you need to get the fuck out of people's business if you're just going to bait them into permabegging. Piss off with your backtracking you stupid crab

Sigma at Mon, 16 May 2022 16:55:18 UTC No. 897554

>>897439
Well you need to learn some more but your anatomy looks correct, at least on the major shape wise.

Head looks believeable.

But yeah, you need to improve face sculpting a little more, yeah.

Good luck!

Sigma at Mon, 16 May 2022 17:02:25 UTC No. 897556

>>897473
Wait, which work are you talking about?

I have made more than one character before. If it's the demon lady, yeah that topology isn't good because I didn't know better back then.

But as for the Cat Girl, I actually took those topology principles and did extensive tutorials on them.

They might be not 100% but they're surely not bad.

This could've been a little misunderstanding, though.

So, which project are you talking about?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 17:08:56 UTC No. 897561

>>897556
Yes, it's the catgirl, there is literally nothing else on your portfolio that has a character's wireframe.

Sigma at Mon, 16 May 2022 17:08:56 UTC No. 897562

>>897481
Well this post kinda made me give up with working for a studio or company, anyway.

To me the art grind for this kind of work is just not worth it.

>Grind artwork skills
>Grind a lot
>Be paid nowhere near as much for quality art
>Instead, get job with NFT projects, make your own company or create patreon pages
>Get paid more or the same

Yeah, to me it seems it's either not possible or even if it was not worth it.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong, of course.

Sigma at Mon, 16 May 2022 17:15:11 UTC No. 897564

>>897561
Oh yeah I see what you mean now!

Indeed, the poles (5 vertices intersections) are not close to the glabella at all.

Is the topology you posted at >>897473 the ideal topology for anime-style 3D heads, then?

To be honest changing that would be quite easy.

Also, I disagree with some parts: I don't want to put poles without the need around the ear parts, since poles can create deformities in the sculpting process.

Zbrush doesn't likes poles too much, for some reason.

Hence, I preferred to make quads instead as much as possible, with the exception being in the facial features.

But yeah, thanks for the feedback.

P.S : It's not bad, it's just a minor defect and I think you exaggerated a little.

Thanks, anyway.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 17:17:00 UTC No. 897565

>>897553
Genuinely insane

Sigma at Mon, 16 May 2022 17:20:34 UTC No. 897567

>>897506
Tr00, tr00...

I should've stayed doing what I liked the most and specialized in that field, instead.

Well, at least I now know what to do from now on. Thanks for the feedback.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 17:39:07 UTC No. 897571

>>896474
which 3D skill pays 6 figures?

Sigma at Mon, 16 May 2022 22:15:31 UTC No. 897623

>>897571
One that won't hire me, that's for sure.

Regardless, 6 figures isn't enough anyway for doing 3D art.

I mean, what kinda job makes you learn so much to pay you that little?

It's just my perspective, but I dunno if I am correct. Well, you tell me if I'm wrong.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 22:21:14 UTC No. 897625

>>897571
Animator, seniors get like 200k a year. But that's if you're working for the mouse/BEEG AAA studio.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 May 2022 23:29:56 UTC No. 897647

>>897625
They all eventually go and start their own company either way.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 May 2022 05:05:13 UTC No. 897682

>>896474
Good tip for maintaining job security is to do the work that no one wants to do like retopology. Even better if you're one of the few of us who finds it to be a nice relaxing change of pace. But don't get taken advantage of. Create leverage and then deprive them of it so you have the power to negotiate on you terms. You want them in a state of desperation from the distress of have to go back to shit work they've gotten rusty at.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 May 2022 15:44:35 UTC No. 897813

>>897506
Again with that "autist rock guy" description... I don't know why but this is triggering me so much for some reason, and I'm not even a rock guy. I think it's because I like looking at good rock sculpts which are far from easy to do, unlike some anons here would say. But in a way, I understand it can look autistic when somebody spends years just doing that for their career, but that's how it is in this field. There are some very specific specializations. Once I saw one guy was specizalized just for a skybox on the entire project.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 May 2022 15:55:21 UTC No. 897816

>>897562
The pay can be really good in this field as well, if you have the skills, ofc. It won't reach the highest potential salaries of programmers and engineers, but still good. I'm not there yet, well, kinda, but only for my country's standards. It would be pathetic for american standards.

It can be depressing when you see that some bs marketing / web agencies hire junior front-end devs for a salary more than mine (5 years of exp, 2 in the industry) + benefits (I'm a freelancer), but that's how it is. If you only care about money, even after a certain threshold, this is probably not for you anyway.

Even I think I may one day branch out or switch careers, who knows. If I spent so much time just thinking about it as a career and calculating all the things, I'd probably quit, but I got a job from nowhere, took that chance and it just kinda started to be a career.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 May 2022 17:39:12 UTC No. 898060

>>896492
>>896503
>>896674
This, but also owdays, if you wana be a Senior 3D artist, besides having the experience, you gotta be at the top 5% level that you see on Artstation basically. I think the biggest Senior 3D that comes to mind to me is Raf Grasseti.
Still, a decent, well rigged character like AnimSchool's Malcolm pretty much nails you a job, knowing rigging helps a lot, and if you are a rigging artist first, well you will never run out of work.