🧵 /3/'s PC building general
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 00:48:57 UTC No. 929692
I posted a question about a new rig in the questions thread and some anons agreed it would be a good idea to have a general thread where we could talk about this, WITHOUT everyone constantly assuming you're building a PC just for gayming.
Also you can list your components and tell us what area of 3DCG you're involved in.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 00:49:46 UTC No. 929693
not /3/, cris
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 01:00:40 UTC No. 929698
I've been working on a list of things I'll need and I think that after all the feedbacks it's more or less there, my only worry is still a gpu brand because options are limited in my area. Not sure about the case either, but atm Meshify 2 is my main choice I think.
That being said, after watching this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ3
It really made me realize I should reconsider if I really need all of this or can I save some $ somewhere.
So, considering I'm working on AAA props and mid sized environments in UE4/5, and want to use raytracing/lumen/pathtracing to its fullest potential for my personal projects, is anything on my list still an overkill? I want to texture in 4k smoothly and still being able to have UE5 open, as well as any extra programs, without any lag.
For anyone with a similar card, have you actually ever used all of its power? What about the CPU? I'm even questioning 10TB HDD, I always had issues with lack of HDD space so I automatically chose 10TB to be safe, but now I realize I have actually been managing with literally 1TB for 3-4 years now. So maybe I could move down to 6-8TB instead.
It's not like I have a specific budget limit, I just don't want to really burn money if I really don't need it. But on the other hand, this is my source of income, so I don't want to cheap out either.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 01:37:58 UTC No. 929704
the meshify is a really small case. You wont be able to even fit a 3090 and liquid cooling at the same time fucking idiot. Its also a terrible case. If you want a real case, get the Torrent
the chair nerd at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 01:40:14 UTC No. 929705
>>929692
Best advice I can give you is: Build a decent workstation but have spare money for a little render slave. Offloading rendering even on a small node will do wonders for your workflow. You can expand your node later but try and set up a little render network. It's the best for cg work.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 01:51:03 UTC No. 929706
>>929704
wrong on so many levels...
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 01:53:07 UTC No. 929707
>>929706
wrong, how?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 02:41:27 UTC No. 929712
>>929707
First of all, if you even take one look at pc part picker for example, you would be able to see people are fitting in 360mm AIOs and 4090s in there easily. And Torrent is built for air cooled systems and isn't ideal for AIO.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 03:42:25 UTC No. 929715
>>929712
The Torrent is not designed for air or liquid cooling. It has a plethora of radiator mounting options
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 07:17:42 UTC No. 929727
>>929705
Have you found it changes your workflow in ways other than shortening longer renders? I'm planning on moving my current gpu to a render slave in a year or so when I upgrade. There will probably be some cool ways to use it for integrating more AI stuff into my workflow in the future too.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 12:44:28 UTC No. 929738
>>929727
>changes your workflow in ways other than shortening
Yes but not hardware related. I've taylor scripted many tasks in my usual workflow so for example batch rendering, arch modeling and material creation are tasks I've partially delegated oncsome scripts. A fewxdays back I posted a little script that populates my buildings with curtains. Stuff like that. I 've also implemented ai in my workflow with a Topaz licence that lets me enhance some drone pictures I need as an input for my work.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 12:44:57 UTC No. 929739
>>929715
100% of people I’ve seen said AIO with torrent is a very bad choice. I would gladly go with the torrent, it was my first pick, but you’re the only one saying the opposite so far.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 16:18:22 UTC No. 929759
>>929739
why are you so hell bent on aio when you are going to be rendering on the gpu which is air cooled
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 16:47:13 UTC No. 929764
i5 2400
GT 710
8gb RAM
Will I become the next indie messiah?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 17:10:01 UTC No. 929767
>>929698
Do you really need a 3090. Software will always be the bottleneck.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 17:38:46 UTC No. 929771
>>929767
That's what I question as well, but it's beacause of VRAM. 3080s with 12GB are not a lot, even for games at this point. 16GB maaaay be enough for me, but only 4080 has it. I'm not sure if it would be better to buy that one, it's a bit more expensive even. So that pretty much leaves me with 3090 as a middle ground. But I'm sure it will be at least somewhat of an overkill for most of the things and I question if Unreal would ever be able to use it all up even with all the tech turned on.
>>929759
I'm not but also everyone recommends it for 13700k which is a volcano apparently.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 18:06:04 UTC No. 929778
>>929771
wait for 7900X3D
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 18:54:05 UTC No. 929780
>>929692
shitty desk with no leg room
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 19:45:53 UTC No. 929785
>>929692
I do archvis and some graphic design
Personally I hate multiple screen setups. I prefer using a 4k tv as my monitor. Better colours and I like the screenspace.
I do play games but not to the extent I am autistic about not being able to hit 120fps, I usually play games at 2560x1440 and keep 60fps. Play windowed in the center of screen or Fullscreen depending on game.
I like that it doubles as a smart tv for my bedroom too.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 19:47:12 UTC No. 929786
>>929780
This
Didn't notice at first but wtf, where do your legs even go
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 19:56:24 UTC No. 929788
Does anybody have this one or know anything about it? 3090Ti Strix LC. It's the only Strix available, water cooling on GPU is the thing that worries me a bit though. Would it still be worth it anyway?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 22:12:43 UTC No. 929808
>>929692
cool, a /3dpcg ...
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Dec 2022 21:45:10 UTC No. 929947
>>929934
Yes compared to NVIDIA.
However, if this is only what you can get, you can make your renders in unreal
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 02:25:59 UTC No. 929969
Anyone here with 4080? Do you think 16GB would be enough if I'm not planning to make super large scenes, but still use Unreal 5 ray tracing?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 02:36:23 UTC No. 929970
>>929934
Nvidia has purpose built accelerated raytracing, called Optix. AMD currently does not have its own solution, but supposedly AMD plans to add something to Blender 3.5 in March 2023. I really hope they do because 24 GB of VRAM for $999 would be awesome.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 20:42:21 UTC No. 930789
Any reason not to get an A4000? Currently have a Ryzen 9 3900x as my CPU as well
Would mainly be using it for Blender and just doing animations.
Would consider the AMD W6800 but it's like 1.8k though the 32GB VRAM is pretty nice.
Seems like prices are just going to be fucked forever and I've been waiting like 7 years to upgrade my GPU. I just want to get something and be done with it
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 21:50:22 UTC No. 930798
3090 ti in stock for 1k, should I pull the trigger?
I primarily use Daz Studio for coomer shit. I've read that 4090s should have a much larger performance increase but that isnt the case with the current version of Daz Studio. Also cant find one at msrp.
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Dec 2022 02:11:21 UTC No. 930851
>>930798
The connector it uses to the psu is a literal housefire
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Dec 2022 02:55:59 UTC No. 930855
>>930851
I can run sans adapter with a pcie 5 psu
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:27:51 UTC No. 930881
>>930855
Its still a housefire as it uses the same connector as the 40 series. GamersNexus confirmed this
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 22:30:09 UTC No. 931033
>>930881
Didn't they say the quality of the connector will vary by manufacturer?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 22:55:49 UTC No. 931138
>>930881
...would undervolting solve this problem?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 23:02:22 UTC No. 931139
>>931138
Not that anon but from what I read it was mostly cheap adapters.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 23:24:06 UTC No. 931144
>>931139
...so not the ones that have one cablestring for the graficcard that is split up into two conectors - better one cablestring per connection?
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 01:18:07 UTC No. 931161
>>931139
>Not that anon but from what I read it was mostly cheap adapters.
wrong and not what gamers nexus found (3090ti use the same connection as 4090 and 4080)
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 04:26:02 UTC No. 931181
>>931161
t. gay for gaymernutsass
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Dec 2022 08:17:45 UTC No. 931306
no one in this thread seems to know their shit.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Dec 2022 09:43:36 UTC No. 931312
>>929698
>13600k
burn motherfucker burn
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 05:21:43 UTC No. 931408
>>931306
I think mostly the second line of OP was missed.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 15:38:18 UTC No. 931446
>>931139
...its not the connector, its idiots with too much money not able to plug in the cable the right way who then, ignorant about there idiocy, cry on reddit about evil nvidia and shit when the 2k hardware smokes dead.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 15:52:00 UTC No. 931448
>>931446
No, gamers nexus paid an independant company to take scans of the connector and found three problems, including manufacturing debris in the connector causing fire
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 16:21:47 UTC No. 931450
>>931448
...i watched the vids today at work, the last one about this issue was teh correspondence with nvidia where they say this happens mostely because the user failed to plug in the connector the right way(.5%) and the other vid was where he, the heavy metal guy tried hard to make it burn with all kinds of fucked up connectors but failed to make it burn.
for me, it makes more sense and sounds more valid that the human species has a specific amount of people who should not play around with expensive hardware, than that a multibillion company who is specialised on highend computer hardware failed to produce a simple plug in mechanism for there flagship graficscard!
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 17:21:36 UTC No. 931456
>>931450
you dont know what you're talking about and you didnt understand the video. As the connector gets smaller (it got much much smaller) you can no longer bend it, you can no longer pull on it, and manufacturing debris inside if can trigger fire. If you leave the GPU to render overnight it can burn up and take down your entire house or apartment. You could lose everything. And why is this you might ask? Why has is it become a "housefire" situation? Well, the more electricity you pump into the die and increase the core count to make it faster by brute force. This is the easy way out and you quickly reach a limit which we have already reached in one generation. What you're supposed to do is make the GPU more efficient by better design and research. This is the only way now
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 17:59:04 UTC No. 931463
>>931456
>better design and research
AHAHAHA GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 18:02:17 UTC No. 931465
>>931463
0/10
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 18:57:01 UTC No. 931472
>>931456
>you didnt understand the video
>it can burn up and take down your entire house or apartment.
>You could lose everything.
...dude, you sound like a total retard! where are the reports of 4090 owner who lost everything because of there computer hardware?? ... such a show/shill maybe works to sell vax to npc's, ...but srly, i pay 2k, and my flat/house burns down because of a 2 dollar part.
i stick with, people are dumb, wreck there cards and complain on the internet to harvest pitypoints from other retards who wasted 2k on hardware they should never put hands on!
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 19:07:22 UTC No. 931473
>>931472
don't take electrical fire seriously....at your own peril. Keep a fire extinguisher ready.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 19:10:09 UTC No. 931475
>>931473
...take your meds, shizo!
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 19:12:38 UTC No. 931476
>>931475
>over 200 cases of fire
>gamers nexus's own card burned up, ON VIDEO
>gamers nexus paid for an investigation and showed 3 common scenarios which can cause a fire
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 19:39:26 UTC No. 931484
>>931476
>125000 sold 4090
>124800 happy costumer vs 200 idiots who should have bought a playstation/xbox than a piece of hardware they cant handle properly
...whats even your message, dude? ...let me guess, you are one of the 200!?
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 19:44:06 UTC No. 931485
>>931484
Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. This is my last message. Goodbye.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 19:58:36 UTC No. 931491
>>931485
...which instance in this world makes your "oppinion" more valid than mine? ... you watched gamer nexus, read the cryout of redditors who burned there 2k cards?
i dont expect an answer, but i know you will read this! i ground myself into my discernment of the things around me and the world i live in, and guess what, ... mostly i am right! you want to warn people about the 4090, good, its your right, but keep it rational. dont argue with slogans "you could loose everything", and other fearmongering shit, only people with bad intentions do this!
i am so sick of people like you! dumb NPC's, read shit somewhere, run around multiplying the idiocy!
Diego A. Maradona at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 19:25:38 UTC No. 932019
Thank god, finally i found a forum to get advices from a archviz perspective.
My objetive is to get some freelances archviz job due i'm a last year architecture student and it would help me to earn in USD because my local currency really sucks, so anyway, my cuestion is this:
I got this pc and i want to improve it
i got this pc specs:
gtx 1650
ryzen 5 3600
and i want this:
rtx 3050
ryzen 7 3700
To consider that i'm use sketchup and vray to rendering more professionaly (i'm rendering only with cpu).
revit and twinmotion for quick renders for college.
is that a good improve?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 20:34:57 UTC No. 932034
>>932019
https://www.chaos.com/vray/benchmar
...test it out with your current machine, check it against the benchmark of your new cpu and decide if you can life with it, or do onlyfans to get more money for a more powerfull machine.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 21:44:46 UTC No. 932050
>>929934
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 22:15:22 UTC No. 932060
from SQT:
>built a new pc, but put a last gen card in it (3060) for $350
When it comes to the final result, rendering, isnt it the modelling, rigging, grooming, cpu simulation, and hand keyed animation themselves which is always the bottleneck and not the rendering? And even then to make your render look good by todays 4k hdr standards you need a really good monitor for grading? I dont need a new gpu and thus a new power supply, do i?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 22:27:28 UTC No. 932061
>>932060
>do i?
...the machine you working on should be a jack of all trades in terms of 3d grafics, but heavy rendering should be outsourced to a second machine(when you have the money), or a service(when you have the money) ... else, you are struck with a occupied machine while rendering!
you cant have booth, the sad truth!
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 22:33:32 UTC No. 932062
>>932061
>you cant have booth, the sad truth!
i'll just render when i go to sleep or go to work
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 22:44:02 UTC No. 932064
>>932062
..dont want to be the sperg, but its not booth to the same time ...how ever, you are right, you can render whenever you dont work on the machine ... may i ask what you working on?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 22:53:17 UTC No. 932066
>>932064
>may i ask what you working on?
I am trying to achieve a single ILM level (star wars) movie quality character in motion from the rigging, the clothes, the muscles, the hair and fur, animation, the textures, and have it all work in true hdr on a future OLED monitor that I buy.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 23:06:17 UTC No. 932068
>>932066
>>may i ask what you working on?
...i asked for the hardware, because, its a 3d workstation general thread, but, that sound interesting! do you have anything to show? what software you use? dont be shy ...
> it all work in true hdr
...render in small scale, upscale? is nvdia dlss even a thing,dont know?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 23:21:25 UTC No. 932073
>>932068
>...i asked for the hardware,
I have 12900k, 128gb ddr4, rtx 3060 12gb, 3tb ssd, 20tb hdd.
Second machine for emergencies is 8700k, gtx 970, 32gb ddr4, 1tb ssd, 12tb hdd
>do you have anything to show?
I'm looking at, reading about, and working on lots of script. Linking to it on github would doxx me
what software you use?
legit licenses for maya, houdini, (perpetual) zbrush, photoshop, pycharm, vegas, blender
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 23:35:29 UTC No. 932081
>>932080
I fear people on this site looking up my name and where i work and live on publically avaliable sites and ruining my life
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 23:50:59 UTC No. 932083
>>932081
... but this can happen in RL too! some guy you meet at a convention or at mac donalds or so, doesnt likes your face, envy you, etc, follows you, finds out everything about you and starts to talk shit about you, etc ...
...when you free yourself from it, as long you are a cool guy everyone can get along with in general, because you are relaxed and open mined, you are pretty save from attacks of psychos!
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Jan 2023 00:06:54 UTC No. 932088
>>932083
Please, doxxing - even yourself is against the global rules and i have far too much to lose.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Jan 2023 00:22:32 UTC No. 932094
>>932088
...so we are trapped in eternal anonymity, because the global rules!? .. k
>i have far too much to lose.
..k ...vague identity on 4chan bad, full name, phone, browser history, etc and shit github good ...
...you already lost! bro!
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Jan 2023 00:29:40 UTC No. 932097
>>932094
its extremely hard if not impossible to take anything you are saying seriously, knowing the history of this website and having come to 4chan for almost 15 years
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Jan 2023 00:56:10 UTC No. 932099
>>932097
..please, list me the people whos life got destroyed because they where doxxed on 4chan and compare it with the list of the peoples life who got destroyed by normal social media, in the last 15 years!
and please exclude the attention whores who already where public ... just genuinely individuals whos names dropped on this site ...
>its extremely hard if not impossible to take anything you are saying seriously
i am a naive sperg, i dont life in your desperate world full of fear and anger ...
...but, when you think someone could destroy your life because you posted your github/artstation/whatever on 4chan ... you are the one who with the problem!
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Jan 2023 21:42:18 UTC No. 932323
...where does this all will lead to? 4070ti has a better blender render performance than all previous highend cards and has the same vram like the 3080ti ?
makes it even sense to think about to buy a used "high end" 30XX series card for upgrade with the current prices this silliy lunatics demand? ...the 4070ti has doubled in performance since the last one 70....
...jez, i need a new graficscard!
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Jan 2023 22:00:22 UTC No. 932324
>>932323
imagine not rendering with CPU with material x lama
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Jan 2023 23:13:33 UTC No. 932338
>>932323
Only 12 gigs though
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Jan 2023 23:44:23 UTC No. 932342
>>932338
>Only 12 gigs
...yeah i know, i am so frustated because of this! my current powerlevel in 3d grafics isnt that demanding in large files with hughe textures, and super realism, and i cant make a solid decsion on this ...
..i am currently building up a machine i can work with somehow the next decade(hobby), and dont want to waste money, so i try to find a balance between a good amount of vram and computing power for less money as possible - something like the a4000(for for~500 to 600€ or a4500(for ~800-900€) came to my attention too, its the workstation equivalent of the 3070ti and 3080, but with double the vram 16 and 20, with less power comsumption, could use my current psu without problem....
Anonymous at Fri, 6 Jan 2023 00:51:34 UTC No. 932366
>>932338
People were using 8gig graphics cards for years doing great work. Even a 4070 will probably be overkill for most people. Software will bottleneck all the new hardware anyway.
Anonymous at Fri, 6 Jan 2023 01:18:59 UTC No. 932372
>>932366
>Software will bottleneck all the new hardware anyway.
You do know that a renderer is a software and also simulations in houdini can now accelerate on the GPU
Anonymous at Fri, 6 Jan 2023 04:30:51 UTC No. 932408
>>929705
This, I kept my old X99 just for this after upgrading, works flawlessly for that regard, kinda similar for me when I let my 3D printer doing its thing too