🧵 Maxon is literally the worst company in the world.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Jan 2023 23:47:58 UTC No. 933821
I hope you didn't think a perpetual zbrush license meant perpetual updates, no that would be silly.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:12:58 UTC No. 933824
@OP: Are you poor?
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:12:58 UTC No. 933825
>>933821
This is, and has been the standard for almost all perpetual software licenses since forever. Nothing out of the ordinary, and it's why I personally tend to prefer subscriptions, since it's rare that a perpetual license would pay for itself, before I need to upgrade to the latest release. Especially with software that you might not need every month.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:13:25 UTC No. 933826
>>933821
Is 3D-Coat a good alternative?
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:17:08 UTC No. 933827
>>933826
no
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:21:26 UTC No. 933829
>>933826
Is there literally any alternative to zbrush? The one guy working on it at blender got bullied out of the foundation when he tried to overhaul all of the fundamental issues that hold blender back
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:22:28 UTC No. 933830
>>933825
Zbrush used to do free updates
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:35:32 UTC No. 933831
>>933829
No, zbrush literally has all their special 2.5D sauce patented. They also own the patent for sculptris when they acquired sculptris. That's why maxon bought them.
>>933821
That's how it's always been. Pixologic even said the free updates would come to an end some day years ago. Maxon is pretty jewish but most software entitles to you THAT version of the software. This was true of Adobe creative suite shit, 3DS Max, Maya, etc. Maybe if pixologic had a more reasonable business model than free upgrades for everyone every year they wouldn't have had to sell out to Maxon. I would have been okay with a $10 or $20 sub but $40 is too much.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:42:41 UTC No. 933832
>>933831
>but $40 is too much.
they want you on the Maxon One plan
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 00:53:45 UTC No. 933833
>>933831
Hilarious.
I always wondered myself how the hell Pixologic made money.
And now there´s a word for all and any software company: PIRACY - No, they don´t make money by selling original copies to basement dwellers who sculpt underage furry porn, they make money by suing big name studios and companies who dared to install ONE pirated copy in the old meeting room PC aside from all the ten licenses they bought and installed on the studio machines.
Microsoft did it for years, or did you think Bill gates turned billionaire because he got a good copy protection on Windows?
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 01:36:55 UTC No. 933837
>>933821
>43 Eur per month
Greedy shits fuck them
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 02:02:15 UTC No. 933840
>>933832
C4D can suck my salty balls
>>933833
>Microsoft did it for years
Windows, Windows server, Office, Visual Studio and other products still had frequent major version updates that big OEMs and businesses had to buy or make Windows network purchase contracts for, it ensured steady revenue to MS. There are probably studios from like 2003 still using the same Zbrush license they bought nearly 20 years ago.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 02:47:01 UTC No. 933846
>>933845
I guess you wont be using redshift then, poor lil guy
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 03:04:47 UTC No. 933847
>>933846
I'm sure I'll get over missing out on being a cuck someday
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 03:06:22 UTC No. 933848
>>933847
Excuse me?!
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 03:22:32 UTC No. 933850
>>933825
>and it's why I personally tend to prefer subscriptions
Kys faggot
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 03:26:23 UTC No. 933851
>>933831
They give you zero recourse for upgrading the license. Resolve for example gives you discounted version updates.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 06:53:11 UTC No. 933861
>>933846
more like
> redshit
hahahahaha
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 09:12:41 UTC No. 933867
>>933821
>i hope you didn't think a perpetual zbrush license meant perpetual updates, no that would be silly.
that's right, I never thought that. maybe because I'm not a retard.
zbrush is practically "finished" - whatever updates and new features it will get will not be essential to create state-of-the-art works.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 12:51:10 UTC No. 933885
>>933850
It's your money, feel free to blow it away on a perpetual license. But it's good to understand, that you don't own that piece of software even if you go perpetual, and that expensive license of yours can be taken away from you at any time for any minor TOS infringement, turning what you "own" to no different than a pirated copy.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 15:35:05 UTC No. 933916
>buy car
>what a nice car, I love my car
>company develops and releases a new version
>wtf why aren't they giving me a new free car?!!?? I already paid for the one I own, I deserve the new one too!!1!
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 16:11:54 UTC No. 933920
>>933916
You wouldn't download a car.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 17:13:53 UTC No. 933927
>>933821
>buy perpetual license
>actually work with pirated releases
>can sell officially without getting in trouble
>OMFG I HATE MAXON
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 17:56:43 UTC No. 933935
>>933927
you know the export file metadata has the version right?
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 23:12:09 UTC No. 934000
>>933846
nta but why the fuck would I care about Redditshift when I have both Arnold and Vray (pirated ofc) at my disposal?
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 23:23:46 UTC No. 934002
>>934000
it works better and is faster
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 23:46:27 UTC No. 934007
>>934002
>faster
maybe faster than Arnold but not Vray
>better
lul
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Jan 2023 23:47:57 UTC No. 934008
>>934007
it is faster. It is biased.
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:53:27 UTC No. 934063
>>933935
whew what a tough one.
>export fbx
>import to blender
>export fbx
>"made in blender"
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:55:15 UTC No. 934072
>>934063
>>import to blender
>>export fbx
>fucks up your file
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:56:29 UTC No. 934073
>>934063
Blender chads, we just keep winning.
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:36:25 UTC No. 934094
>>934072
then just do the procedure using the zbrush version you have a license for. no one checks files, anyway.
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Jan 2023 21:25:40 UTC No. 934138
For those of you with the moolah, is zbrush 2023 worth the pesos?
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:13:17 UTC No. 934156
>>933821
Literally sculpt in Blender.
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:37:21 UTC No. 934189
>>934188
They say the new mask fill is a killer feature
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Jan 2023 02:10:15 UTC No. 934190
>>933821
>I hope you didn't think a perpetual zbrush license meant perpetual updates
All software is like that.
I have a perpetual license for Windows XP, but Microsoft stopped updating that shit long ago. Many such cases.
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Jan 2023 02:13:33 UTC No. 934191
>>933833
Enterprise sales have always been the breadwinner for pretty much all non-gaming software industry.
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Jan 2023 05:15:34 UTC No. 934205
>Bought a ZbrushCore license back when it was first introduced
>Harddrive died not long after
>No option to download the license file from my account
>Contacted support and they told me that they could verify I bought it but tough shit and that I should have been more careful
I've pirated the full zbrush ever since.
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Jan 2023 08:08:40 UTC No. 934212
>>934205
Where the fuck do you guys get your pirated ZBrush from?
I downloaded it from CGPersia in a virtual machine first and after executing the installer it did nothing and the vm detected it as a trojan.
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:22:15 UTC No. 934234
is it ok to pirate zbrush?
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 01:24:10 UTC No. 934306
>>933867
>zbrush is practically "finished"
Yeah, its done for.
But for real, should i buy an old 2021 or 2022 license? Which ones less pozzed
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 01:27:11 UTC No. 934307
>>934234
>>934212
Im considering a separate hard drive for potentially virused software, but i know infections can jump drives and i dont want to unscrew my nvme all the time.
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 04:08:10 UTC No. 934331
>>933829
what happened exactly?
I didn't follow
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 04:11:08 UTC No. 934332
>>934331
He wrote an absolutely massive and highly detailed plan of what needed to happen and what he was working on. It wasnt just a napkin doc, it was like a lot of pages. Explained in detail what needed to happen and eould improve not only sculpting but every shit thing about blender. A proper plan. The council hated that something was named vector colour or something that could 'confuse users' and dragged the issue ad infinite despite other users pleas
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 04:18:00 UTC No. 934334
>>933885
> subscription
> if I stop paying, I can't open my files anymore
literally a hostage
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 04:30:59 UTC No. 934336
>>934332
> vector color
so they let him go over bullshit terminology??
seems more like an excuse, maybe something else was brewing between them
also where can I find that detailed plan?
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 06:56:48 UTC No. 934344
>>934336
Sorry vertex painting or whatever
Only reference i can find
https://code.blender.org/2022/02/sc
But there was a huge outline on the forums somewhere.
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 11:45:53 UTC No. 934353
>>934306
>Which ones less pozzed
??? you type like a retard and I have no idea what you're asking. the term "pozzed" does not apply for something that doesn't even have an agenda or any type of political/societal connection.
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 12:58:16 UTC No. 934356
>>934353
Pozzed by maxon
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:05:47 UTC No. 934367
>>934334
If that becomes an issue, you can just pirate. Licenses only matter when you're making money with the software, at which point, you'd probably have a license one way or another. A literal non-issue.
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:28:14 UTC No. 934368
>>934367
No thats not true. The foundry goes after you regardless and professional pro bono work exists
Anonymous at Sun, 22 Jan 2023 06:56:26 UTC No. 934443
>>934344
one of the comments about why he left:
> It’s a controversial thing, but his version of Vertex Colors in sculpting was rejected because his implementation was far from ideal. And he’s still credited in the tasks as the inspirer of this patch.
> He suggested creating a parallel version of vertex colors, separate from Blender ones, with a new UI to move vcolors from one place to another, it was quite cumbersome and looks like code also had problems conforming to Blender coding guidelines. Guess he got frustrated over it and decided to go pursue his career as an artist.
> Doesn’t help he was always under the public eye, being often accused of creating patch only to model anime girls disregarding realistic sculpting (a totally made up and wrong accusation I strongly disagree with).
> We owe a lot to Pablo Dobarro, and the Blender community will always be grateful to all his hard work, talent and pushing sculpting from ashes to the next level, but life moves on, things change and now we have a new sculpting dev that also deserves some praise, he’ll continue where Pablo left, that’s the greatness of Open Source.
Anonymous at Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:37:06 UTC No. 934934
>>934307
A separate storage device wouldn’t help at all. You’d need another computer or a virtual machine if you want to isolate software that you don’t trust.
Anonymous at Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:32:03 UTC No. 935175
>>935174
smooth brain take
Anonymous at Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:45:31 UTC No. 935177
>>935175
Seethe and dilate
Anonymous at Sun, 29 Jan 2023 04:02:16 UTC No. 935255
>>933821
lmao, Maxon pulling the Filmora move
Pirate these motherfuckers, they deserve it
Anonymous at Sun, 29 Jan 2023 12:41:59 UTC No. 935283
I can't bring myself to understand these threads, aren't your companies paying for the software you use? What's even the issue here?
Anonymous at Sun, 29 Jan 2023 13:17:06 UTC No. 935286
>>935283
>Willingly making this your proffesion
Anonymous at Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:58:55 UTC No. 935411
>>933916
except the car is a physical product and not entirely digital you retard. please climb back in your mothers asshole and remain there until you know better
Anonymous at Mon, 30 Jan 2023 18:03:28 UTC No. 935412
>>934368
block the internet connection retard and they wont know.
Anonymous at Mon, 30 Jan 2023 18:14:08 UTC No. 935413
>>935411
Irrelevant. Do you think you're paying only for the manufacturing costs of a car? No, just like with software, a portion of the cost is paying for the R&D. With software, you obviously don't need to pay for manufacturing costs. If there were manufacturing costs, it would just be added on top of the current cost of the software. I guess to be more accurate, you could change his analogy in a way, that instead of receiving a new car, the equivalent would be, that you'd get the new car for only the cost of manufacturing it. Which of course doesn't happen either.
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 02:08:58 UTC No. 935447
>>933827
and why not?
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 06:56:51 UTC No. 935460
>>933825
The only way it wouldn't pay for itself is if you bought every update. With photoshop, buying cs3 or cs4 and then later cs6 was cheaper than getting the stupid subscription and you can still use both today.
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 07:24:49 UTC No. 935464
>>935411
>software requires 0 effort, no workers, no licenses, no time
>since its immaterial it should be completely free as it doesnt require from anything to come into existence
This is your smoothbrain's logic
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:27:41 UTC No. 935473
>>934443
>Pablo Dobarro
Oh, that guy. He makes a lot of cute stuff.
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 12:30:33 UTC No. 935481
>>933829
Zbrush did a good job buying out any competition such as sculptris and the guy from the Blender foundation. I really tried to work with Blender but its far too slow and technical compared to the free flow sculpting of Zbrush. So while you can make Blender work for simple cartoon characters, there is no alternative to Zbrush.
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 12:43:51 UTC No. 935482
>>934072
What is to mess up? The proportions? Just rescale it you faggot. Zbrush data is nothing more than polygons, you wouldnt do texture painting, rigging, and UV maping on Zbrush like a retard would you?
Retards who want to hate on Blender that is completely free for everyone and can be downloaded and ran from anywhere in seconds make no sense to me. Some kind of misguided elitism because youre a corporate cock sucker I guess.
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 12:49:12 UTC No. 935485
>>934332
BS excuses, he sold out for a fat paycheck. Nobody wants to work for charity forever. Zbrush/Maxon saw him as a potential threat and made sure to acquire him and shelve him somewhere, just like Sculptris.
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 12:54:14 UTC No. 935487
>>934443
Ok so who do we got now? Because I havent seen anything relevant been done with sculpting in years. Meanwhile, every Blender update is about Grease Pencil or new Nodes...
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 13:01:58 UTC No. 935488
>>935447
Not the original guy, but 3D Coat is a meme with a horrible interface thats levels of magnitude worse than even Zbrush's. Its a program that can do a lot of things but none of them particulary well. You could use 3D Coat as a 3rd program besides Zbrush, and a traditional all around modeling package like Blender to cover all your bases, but as a stand alone sculpting solution (it has potential) but its not there yet IMO.
If they completely redid the interface like Blender 2.8 it could pick up some steam. It has good retopology, and UV maping tools but the rest feels half-baked. Again, just my opinion, I would love to be proven wrong.
Anonymous at Wed, 1 Feb 2023 01:36:46 UTC No. 935597
>>935460
I guess I can agree on Adobe, as updates rarely bring anything truly worthwhile, at least when it comes to 3D. Granted I'd still prefer to keep up to date, since it's just 50€/month for the entire creative cloud suite, which is nothing. I use more on food in two days, if you don't count the more fancy restaurants.
For 3D software, updates often bring useful new features and performance increases, that help cut down on the total workload, making constant updates often a better decision economically, compared to not updating. That is, assuming you are using the software commercially.
Anonymous at Sun, 5 Feb 2023 14:29:30 UTC No. 936036
>>933824
t. goyim paypig
Anonymous at Wed, 15 Feb 2023 13:06:51 UTC No. 937053
>>933885
1. Then dont try to reverse engineer their product and you wont get your shit revoked.
2. literally dont try to reverse engineer
3. Dont fucking do it, and you are fine.
And You seem like a person who thinks that having updates every year is required, most of those updates are miniscule at best.
most freelancers and pros will use the latest perpetual they have untill they need an upgrade or will straight up refuse SAAS because its the most goyim thing to buy.
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 16:04:08 UTC No. 937188
>>937053
Even if you don't need constant updates, subscription are still great if you're starting a solo company for example, since the upfront payment is so small in comparison. Before subs, you would need to pay around 10000€ for commercial licenses alone, to get everything you wanted when starting out, which is a lot for someone fresh out of school. Now it's just a few hundred. Updates are a bonus, but once you have the company stable, the subscription costs are essentially nothing at that point. If you're a direct hire, none of this matters of course, as the studio will provide the license for you. If it's a hobby, just pirate or use free shit like blender.
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 17:31:11 UTC No. 937194
>>937188
blender is not an option. You dont know what you are talking about.
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 18:59:18 UTC No. 937196
>>937194
Sir think about the europoors lots of work went to blender sir you have to reconsider sir.
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 19:00:15 UTC No. 937197
>>937188
>Fresh out of school
>starts a company
thats a recipe for failure right there, your whole shpiel is pointless.
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 22:35:41 UTC No. 937226
>>934307
I've been pirating shit fro more than 2 decades and never got a virus. Why are you zoom zooms so afraid of it? Also just so you know, most patches come as false positives when ran through an antivirus
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 22:38:59 UTC No. 937227
>>937226
get a job, boomer
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 22:40:13 UTC No. 937228
>>937227
I got one and I still pirate everything I can because I don't like being a paypig.
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 22:53:35 UTC No. 937229
>>937228
you cant pirate a lot of stuff
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 23:06:21 UTC No. 937232
>>937229
Movies, shows, software, tutorials, games, music even youtube you can all pirate. What exactly can't you pirate?
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 23:08:30 UTC No. 937234
>>937232
you cant pirate a lot of production renderers, idiot
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 23:11:56 UTC No. 937235
>>937234
vray, arnold, corona, redshift are all available to pirate. Which one in particular you talking about?
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 23:13:21 UTC No. 937236
>>937235
prman - the king
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 10:27:35 UTC No. 937275
>>937235
>redshift
where? seriously, do tell. because from my understanding redshift is only available with an active subscription, something that isn't easy to crack.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:25:03 UTC No. 937281
>>937275
Both redshift and an old version of renderman is available on cgpeers
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:46:06 UTC No. 937286
>>937281
nobody wants renderman 21 when renderman 25 is coming out next month, idiot. Get A Job!!!
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:48:21 UTC No. 937287
>>937286
t.buttblasted paypig
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:50:34 UTC No. 937288
>>937287
Hell, 21 doesnt even work with maya 2022, even less maya 2023 or the upcoming maya 2024 and your other plugins in your ecosystem. Fuck off back to learning.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:51:47 UTC No. 937289
>>937287
Technically you are also a paypig for whatever fetish you might have, faggot.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:53:55 UTC No. 937290
>>937288
So just switch to older Maya version, you retard. Why do you need the latest? You're already getting free software worth thousands of dollars, being 1 year behind the latest is not such a big deal
>>937289
tf you on about?
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:58:09 UTC No. 937292
>>937290
>So just switch to older Maya version, you retard. Why do you need the latest? You're already getting free software worth thousands of dollars, being 1 year behind the latest is not such a big deal
Im not switching to 2 versions behind of maya with literally hundreds of bugs more than the current version (check the changelog). I use other plugins which are dependant on 2023 to use the latest point releases. I am a paying autodesk subscriber. I'm not getting ANY free software, idiot, dont know why you would think that. The only thing I get on cgp is tuts and even those i pay for after I watch them. Get a job!!!!
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:03:21 UTC No. 937293
>>937292
>I am a paying autodesk subscriber.
kek, what a cuck. The fact you even brag about it is even worse
You keep doing that while I'll just keep pirating all my shit lmao
>Get a job!!!!
I have one and it's just another reason to not part with my hard earned cash, unlike you retards
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:04:06 UTC No. 937294
>>937293
go back to flipping burgers, idiot. You are a plague on the cg community
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:10:45 UTC No. 937295
>>937294
nice projection lol.
Also get your facts straight, since I pirate everything, I'm a plague on all communities, not just the cg one. Know that nice tv show that didn't get renewed? It's because I pirated it. That trap artists that didn't have enough money for coke that night? Yup, also me
I just want you to know that when autodesk goes bankrupt, it was also me as I pirate 6(six) of their products at any given time. Adobe too
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:12:32 UTC No. 937296
>>937295
have a nice life kid
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:13:17 UTC No. 937297
>>937296
you too, paypig
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 16:02:58 UTC No. 937303
>>937197
It's really not that difficult. I'm not talking about starting a studio, but a solo company, where you do outsource work for other studios, or smaller marketing companies, basically a freelancer. This is extremely common where I live. Granted, usually studios will provide you a license, but the non-studio projects rarely do.
I don't know how the market is there, but a lot of studios here at least highly prefer people who have their own company. If you have a company, and you are of a similar skill level as the other guy who doesn't, you will always get the job over the other guy, as you are less of a risk responsibility wise.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 17:11:00 UTC No. 937307
>>937290
Kek, I bet you subscribe to onlyfans, pornhub, Netflix and Spotify but can’t afford a maya sub.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 17:15:04 UTC No. 937308
>>937307
I'm not a coomer, zoom-zoom and I pirate my tv shows and don't use Spotify at all, I use Vanced with my own playlists
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:18:30 UTC No. 937330
>>937303
1. Noone knows You
2. you have no connections
3. You are unreliable
In the outsourcing world, You would bomb without industry experience and knowledge,
again, you are retarded and didnt think this through.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:31:35 UTC No. 937331
>>937303
>>937303
Usually people out of school are absolute dogshit since most cg schools have curriculums outdated by as much as a decade.The only guys who are close to industry standard are people who graduate from Gnomon and the likes and a lot of them already had years of experience before enrolling . If you have the skill to actually work for studios, then it would be much easier to do it as a freelancer than a company or doing it as a seasonal employee. Once you're well known in the industry and have the connections than it makes more sense to start your company
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:43:01 UTC No. 937333
>>937331
Glad I didn’t fall for the 3d art school meme. I have a CS degree working as a webdev and just learn 3d when I get my work done.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:51:47 UTC No. 937334
>>937333
webdev is going to dry up real fast thanks to ai. You only have a job for the next 3 years maximum
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:10:52 UTC No. 937376
>>937330
>>937331
>>937333
I agree on the point about most people usually being shit straight out of school. But you get a ton of connections there, since any decent schools do collaboration projects with local studios. That's the only real reason to go to a CG school. And here at least you do an internship during school as well, where you get further connections. Anyone who bothers to take the school seriously, and doesn't just coast through it, gets a job in the local industry here, if they want it. Not necessarily their dream job, but at last some marketing/architectural shit.
There's also benefits to having a company, over just being a regular freelancer. Most importantly as an European, you get exempted from VAT for any even somewhat company related purchases, not to mention you can deduct all of the costs from taxes as well. Buying expensive hardware is a non-issue thanks to this, once you have things running.
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Feb 2023 13:14:43 UTC No. 937390
>>937376
then buying expensive software would be non-issue, congrats you btfo'd your own point.
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Feb 2023 20:15:13 UTC No. 937419
>>937390
Can you read? I said it's a non-issue after you're established. Which is my original point, it's easier to pay a sub per month per software you happen to need during that month, at the beginning. It lowers the barrier of entry, compared to needing a several thousand € upfront payment.
The flexibility that comes with a sub is a bonus as well, since you can just cancel it during the months you don't need it. Which is common when freelancing, since another project will need some other piece of software, while another will need something else. Not to mention that different stages of a project might require a different package entirely. Meanwhile your perpetual license just sits there doing nothing, when you don't need it.
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Feb 2023 21:15:53 UTC No. 937426
>>933916
>go to buy a car
>buy a special pass that, when you purchased it for a larger amount of money than the base car price, says you will receive new versions of the car for free
>company does a 180 and says that only applies up to the 2022 version, the 2023 version is different and doesn't apply
>original terms state differently
>company brands it as a model change instead of a new version even though it's the same look, feel, and has the same amount of new gadgets as the previous upgrade did
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Feb 2023 22:46:59 UTC No. 937429
>>933821
This is how perpetual licenses work since the 2010s retard. You get a license for a specific product version and maybe two more versions, and security updates.
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Feb 2023 22:49:52 UTC No. 937430
>>935279
>>935174
This the mentality of a NEET and/or someone who does X as a hobby
Once you have a job (assuming the company doesn't give you a license already) paying for a license is nothing out of this world. Most licenses are cheap compared to first world salaries.
>b-but I am not first world
not my problem
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Feb 2023 22:52:11 UTC No. 937431
>>937334
>t. I get my worldview from youtube ecelebs and other retards
There's no AI that can write good quality code and there won't be anytime soon. Even github copilot is just a gimmick for anything serious
Anonymous at Sun, 19 Feb 2023 09:48:52 UTC No. 937475
Anonymous at Sun, 19 Feb 2023 11:04:13 UTC No. 937483
>>937419
again, going to the idiotic premise I already established - you do not require newest updates, most pros still will use previous versions.
You have never worked across any production. You donot know anything. stop talking out of Your own ass.
Anonymous at Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:08:36 UTC No. 937488
>>937483
I'm not sure if we're even talking about the same thing any more . I'm saying that the sub is a better option to someone starting out, regardless of the version you need, due to the low barrier of entry. Not everyone is born with rich parents who finance their businesses, so it's easier to afford a monthly sub compared to a perpetual. If this is too hard for you to understand, then I can only assume the market in your are is completely different from what it is in mine. Regardless, subscription models have their positives, for some users.
Anonymous at Sun, 19 Feb 2023 15:00:39 UTC No. 937493
>>937488
>its okay we can start business outsidew of school and expensive stuff is a write off
>then the software is also a write off
>OMG YOU POINT OUT MY OWN FALLACIES I WILL TRY TO CHANGE THE POINT
stop being shilltard, and gtfo to maxon retard.
Anonymous at Sun, 19 Feb 2023 16:15:21 UTC No. 937496
>Zbrush has "perpetual licenses" that force you into buying new versions of Zbrush forever
>ZBrush was developed by the company Pixologic Inc, founded by Ofer Alon (also known by the alias "Pixolator") and Jack Rimokh.
>Ofer Alon
>Jack Rimokh
>Both Jews
I'm shocked! Absolutely shocked I tell you! I could've never seen this coming! Not at all!
Anonymous at Mon, 20 Feb 2023 10:54:13 UTC No. 937590
>>937496
thats not even a good bait , go back to /pol/
Anonymous at Mon, 20 Feb 2023 12:57:44 UTC No. 937597
>>937590
It's not a bait, it's truth.
(if it's true)
Anonymous at Mon, 20 Feb 2023 20:18:55 UTC No. 937636
>>937597
>Buy zbrush in 2014
>Get 'paid updates' for free till 2022 when jewxon takes over
yeah, totally.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Feb 2023 02:11:35 UTC No. 938524
>>937636
>sell company
>"lol dont blame us, its not like we sold it or anything ..."
fuck off
maxon spend a lot of money than they naw how to make back, and i dont doubt this was even part of the acquisition legal terms and discussion
the only people who are responsible for this are the original owners
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:16:19 UTC No. 938604
>>938524
the retard no1. was making the argument pre-transition
the retard no2. (You)
is making the argument post transition
both of you retards who cant read.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Feb 2023 17:19:52 UTC No. 938605
>>933825
Cope, Image Line has never done this and I've had my license for almost a decade.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Feb 2023 18:01:32 UTC No. 938609
>>938605
Image Line sells plugins within its software
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Feb 2023 18:07:48 UTC No. 938610
>>938609
All plugins bundle, I get them for free.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Feb 2023 18:38:06 UTC No. 938613
>>938610
It must suck being poor and stupid since the all plugins bundle is only up to date for when you buy it, not perpetually
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Feb 2023 18:41:51 UTC No. 938615
>>938613
>poor
I have it and you don't, soooo...
>not perpetually
so they say, but I've yet to not get a new plugin for free
Anonymous at Thu, 2 Mar 2023 01:47:15 UTC No. 938763
is Redshift being a little bitch for everyone else too? the last couple of releases are fucking shit and crash happy.
Anonymous at Thu, 2 Mar 2023 02:50:06 UTC No. 938768
I haven't gone back to Zbrush since Maxon. How do you pirate it now? Do I gotta stay with the last perpetual 2022 version?
Anonymous at Thu, 2 Mar 2023 03:33:48 UTC No. 938773
>>938768
get a job.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Mar 2023 18:37:11 UTC No. 939633
So how does this work? Is it like android phone updates, as in you get a couple of years worth of version updates and then it stops, or is Zbrush 2023+ subscription based?
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Mar 2023 20:03:50 UTC No. 939639
>>933825
This is paid advertising
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Mar 2023 04:27:22 UTC No. 940597
Pirate all software, only pay for it when your product is gonna be on a studio, but if you release it indie style, just pay the stupid suscription a couple months before you sell the finished product.
Fuck kikes
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:31:48 UTC No. 940607
>>933825
Photoshop cs6 from like 10 years ago is still good(I would say in a lot of ways better than the current version) and I'd say for most other software the perpetual license is also worth it very quickly with how awful updates are
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Mar 2023 12:04:18 UTC No. 940610
>>940597
I bought zbrush and I surprisingly use it more than I do plying my stem games. I don’t make money off it btw.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Mar 2023 14:18:28 UTC No. 940708
>>940607
Photoshop, and adobe in general tends to be an exception, for most use cases. Photoshop especially has had all the important features for ages, and performance has always been a non-issue. It's like trying to update a hammer, as in there's nothing left to update. But the entire creative cloud costs less monthly than a video game these days, so it's still somewhat acceptable, even if a perpetual license would be better value in the long run.
3D software on the other hand is still very far from perfect, and updates very often come with benefits to work speed, be it through new useful features, or performance improvements,.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Mar 2023 14:21:25 UTC No. 940709
>>940708
>Photoshop especially has had all the important features for ages
wrong.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Mar 2023 19:58:58 UTC No. 940728
Why do companies like maxon and adobe even allowed to exist? They are ultra anti competitive and lead to only monopoly
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Mar 2023 20:50:07 UTC No. 940734
>>940728
name one product those companies have that others cannot compete with.
jeets like You dont know what 'monopoly' is.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Mar 2023 10:00:58 UTC No. 940805
>>940734
there is no true competitor to photoshop
there is no competitior to zbrush
there is no compettitor to redshift
there is no competitor to acrobat (because lol patents)
there was no competitor to windows for so long because of anticompetitive practices
heck, its only recently that some aquisitions have been blocked at all (you know, the laws that were designed to prevent these fucking monopolies in the first place
Anonymous at Fri, 24 Mar 2023 15:47:35 UTC No. 940952
>>940805
nice bait,
now go back to MumbaiVFX using blender.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Mar 2023 21:46:49 UTC No. 941494
>>937496
> "perpetual licenses" that force you into buying new versions of Zbrush forever
What the fuck you're talking about. That's how it was for years.
> Buy a version of software. You forever own your copy, but don't get new versions.
Now most software also offers a subscription.
> You can use the software as long as you pay a subscription fee, but you always have access to the latest version.
When both subscription and perpetual are available, they are price matched so that X years of subscription costs the same as a perpetual license, where X is how often on average their clients update meaning that in the end, it almost doesn't matter whether you buy a subscription or perpetual, because you'll pay roughly the same in the long term.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Mar 2023 10:51:29 UTC No. 941534
>>940805
>redshift
Redpill me on redshift, what does it have that other engines, like Arnold or Vray, dont?
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:18:00 UTC No. 941539
>>941534
Fast GPU rendering, that's it.
The only comparable GPU render is Fstorm for 3ds Max and it's nowhere near Redshift in terms of speed and development (it's a one man project iirc).
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Apr 2023 03:56:36 UTC No. 941776
>>941539
>that's it
and its literally the reason why its standard. render farms have massively more gpu than cpu
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Apr 2023 18:14:42 UTC No. 942403
>>933826
Imo 3D coat is a better software
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Apr 2023 15:51:05 UTC No. 942564
>>942403
It's not, but considering how consumer unfriendly Maxon is with their zbrush licenses and the fact that they seem to barely be adding any new features with the releases, I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of people will switch to it.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Apr 2023 11:18:05 UTC No. 942635
>>937430
The reason Im rich is because I dont cave in to bullshit subs you retard, enjoy downing money into the drain when you could have had it for free
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Apr 2023 12:34:20 UTC No. 942642
>>942635
holy poor cope
imagine being this defensive about being unable to pay for a loicense
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Apr 2023 13:12:56 UTC No. 942643
>>933831
The 2.5d shit is a meme. From all I've seen the only thing it's really good at compared to blender is retopology, and the guy who made that also made the paid blender plugin.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Apr 2023 18:26:46 UTC No. 943099
>>942643
>The 2.5d shit is a meme
its really not, it alows you to work with an ungodly number of polygons. In geometry hd mode you literally work with meshes that are hundreds of millions of polygons
>From all I've seen the only thing it's really good at compared to blender is retopology
You've seen wrong then, it does pretty much everything better than blender when it comes about sculpting
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Apr 2023 10:39:17 UTC No. 943158
>>943129
Why are you trying to shame people into giving their hard earned cash to corporations? Are they paying you to shill here? Nta but even if I was a billionaire i would still pirate all that I can get away with because fuck them.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:45:37 UTC No. 943509
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Apr 2023 18:59:57 UTC No. 944437
>HAHA POORFAG IMMA RICH
Okay very cool a bunch of you came from /v/ to declare for the umpteenth time, that we share one thing in common. Yet the reality remains that Maxon's course of action has been hilariously Jewish, and I'm not referring to the discontinued perpetual updates.
>>940805
We basically option of three different EA's now with one having already set an unapologetic precedent in installing spyware and whatever stubborn to remove crap on your computer.
>>941534
You get the added benefit of paying an additional 22 dollars monthly for the option to use what was marketed as the main thrust of the 2023 upgrade. They couldn't entertain some sort of grandfathering or transition period for the year, and just threw the frog straight into the boiling water.
>>941494
>There are three paths by which you can upgrade to ZBrush 2023
>Purchase a perpetual license upgrade for approximately $659 per local currency. This will include the new ZBrush features, including the Redshift Bridge. To use the Redshift Bridge, you must subscribe to Redshift separately.
>Purchase a ZBrush subscription. For a time after the release of ZBrush 2023, annual subscriptions will be available at a discounted price of approximately 25% off for the first year (renewing at regular price thereafter). This will give you ZBrush 2023, with the Redshift Bridge and Redshift CPU. To use Redshift GPU, you would additionally need to purchase a Redshift subscription.
>Purchase a Maxon One subscription for about the same price as a perpetual upgrade. Approximately 45% off for the first year (renewing at the regular price thereafter). This will provide the entire Maxon One lineup and so will include the Redshift Bridge, providing Redshift GPU and CPU in ZBrush.
Paying $25 more a month for a perpetual redshiftless zbrush. Nice price matching you got going on there
>What the fuck you're talking about. That's how it was for years
No, what are you talking about? Pixologic didn't enforce the original clause
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Apr 2023 05:07:32 UTC No. 944485
>>944437
and its not like you can even create an alternative because of absolutely ridiculous software patents (which genuinely shouldnt exist)
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Apr 2023 14:34:30 UTC No. 944497
>>944485
You dont know what you are talking about.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Apr 2023 10:04:45 UTC No. 944594
>>944437
>casually ignores the fact that perpetual license grants you usability past the sub term
go back to maxon, your kind is not welcomed here
Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 06:23:40 UTC No. 945472
Now that I think about it.
Great CG was made using tools with a lot less bells and whistles than the bloated software we use today.
And it's not like CG is getting better
Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 10:44:54 UTC No. 945478
>>933826
It's very good. You can merge life and hard surface seamlessly.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 11:19:35 UTC No. 945479
>>933833
U r 100% unemployed if you believe this
Yeah you can get sued for using pirated copies. Usually the studio just barks at you until you just pay for it if they find out.
When a business pays for enterprise software it's a question of
*you are granted some idea of support
*it is simpler to manage at an org level
*there are industry defined best practices
Microsoft doesn't make a majority of it's revenue selling Windows licenses.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 18:11:01 UTC No. 945510
>>933821
kek I'm still on zbrush 2021. Chances are you're nowhere near the limit of your software and you don't need any new features.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 18:13:12 UTC No. 945512
>>945479
no individual gets sued for piracy
Anonymous at Wed, 10 May 2023 19:54:18 UTC No. 945580
>>945512
40M fine to nintendo says otherwise
Anonymous at Thu, 11 May 2023 01:38:52 UTC No. 945602
>>945512
BOWSER you idiot