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Anonymous at Fri, 27 Jan 2023 14:04:04 UTC No. 935042
How is there no real competitor to these fuckers?
the chair nerd at Fri, 27 Jan 2023 15:29:33 UTC No. 935043
>>935042
There is. They are called Tablets. Where you can shitpost on 4chan, watch movies, have a meeting and also make awesome drawings. Only Huei is crazy enough to compete with wacom with a niche product that only does drawing. Yeah I know wacom is an awesome product and is designed to leverage the capabilities of a desktop to be the best drawing and sculpting tool for your workstation but that is still a tiny market and competitors are not betting on only making drawing boards. A huge chunk of designers and artist just use a tablet because its more practical and do not care if it is not the perfect drawing experience. Thata why I say tablets are eacom's biggest competitor.
the chair nerd at Fri, 27 Jan 2023 15:30:58 UTC No. 935044
>>935043
>Huei
I meant Huion
Anonymous at Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:45:50 UTC No. 935050
>>935042
high-end products from huion etc absolutely do compete (for half the price). the idea that wacom is in a league of its own is a relic from 5+ years ago.
Anonymous at Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:33:28 UTC No. 935056
>>935042
Because they cater to a small niche?
Wacom is really not that expensive once you factor in the fact that their products last forever.
>>935050
>high-end products from huion etc absolutely do compete
No they don't because if artists weren't poorfags then Huion wouldn't even exist. A competing product means a product of the same price but better in some regards and worse in others.
If a Hyundai would be the same price of a Ferrari then nobody would even think of buying a Hyundai.
Anonymous at Fri, 27 Jan 2023 18:31:24 UTC No. 935062
>>935056
That doesn't make any sense. Wacom ain't no Ferrari, they offer tablets from the cheapest tier up to the high end. XP-Pen and Huion offer better features at the same price at least in the low- and mid-end. Build quality isn't any different and reliability is similarly average.
Anonymous at Fri, 27 Jan 2023 21:59:41 UTC No. 935077
>>935042
Stop being poor.
Anonymous at Fri, 27 Jan 2023 23:52:30 UTC No. 935091
>>935062
>XP-Pen and Huion offer better features at the same price at least in the low- and mid-end
It's like you write these words without even thinking what they mean.
Is the high-end Wacom product more expensive than the Huion high-end product?
If they cost the same, would you buy a Wacom high-end product or a Huion high-end product?
If Huion posed any real competition to Wacom they would have lowered their price a long time ago. Huion only caters to poorfags who never used a Wacom before.
Anonymous at Sat, 28 Jan 2023 15:14:35 UTC No. 935166
>>935042
>>just get an old intuos3
best tablets ever made, durable, nibs don't fuck off after 2 uses, pads don't get scratchy after 3 uses
just a good fucking tablet, made to last
wacom switched to designed obsolescence for maximum profitability
all companies are evil, may they live a thousand years
Anonymous at Sat, 28 Jan 2023 19:56:18 UTC No. 935186
>>935056
>No they don't because if artists weren't poorfags then Huion wouldn't even exist
you are literally braindead. kys idiot, not even going to type out the counter argument because you just proved beyond a doubt you are below the 80IQ range.
pls don't have children.
Anonymous at Sat, 28 Jan 2023 21:26:36 UTC No. 935196
>>935056
>A competing product means a product of the same price but better in some regards and worse in others.
This is the exact line of thinking that gives you the apple drones and consoomers who worship brands and wear logos like they were religious symbols.
The only thing you should be making your choice on is utility. The numbers of features is irrelevant. The brand is irrelevant. The price is irrelevant.
The only relevant thing is what features do you ACTUALLY need. (And i insist on the word ACTUALLY because the trick with marketing is to sell you something that you will barely use because it has a thousand features that you dont really need, but were convinced that you eventually might)
So, yes. Any tablet capable of drawing is a competing product. Dont let the marketing department get to you. Ask yourself if you ACTUALLY need a wacom.
Anonymous at Sat, 28 Jan 2023 21:44:51 UTC No. 935203
>>935196
>Ask yourself if you ACTUALLY need a wacom.
I need a large intuos with 8192 levels of pressure, and the best pens in the business so yes, wacom was the only choice.
Anonymous at Sun, 29 Jan 2023 03:29:29 UTC No. 935248
>>935043
Objectively wrong. Tablets become heated and hot the more you work, because they have to render and run everything you do on them
Also energy, battery life is going to get fucked in less than a year
Did I also mention something about planned obsolescence? No?
Just get a 13HD or a wacom One and they’re yours forever, can fit on a desk and guess what? You get your pc doing the computer tasks so no heat, no stress and no obsolescence
>inb4 le no
Nigga I own a tablet and a cintiq, there’s no contest
These japs know their shit, but it’s expensive as fuck
the chair nerd at Sun, 29 Jan 2023 03:58:17 UTC No. 935254
>>935248
Dude chill I own an Intuos 3 and it still rocks 15 years after. The question was: does Wacom have competition? My answer was yes because tablets are more usefull for some designers and no because wacom is top quality. Why /3/ is full of fanboys? Wacom can defend itself. Seethe.
Anonymous at Sun, 29 Jan 2023 04:26:28 UTC No. 935258
>>935254
>chill out
Sorry bro, maybe my post was too aggressive. I got /ic/ PTSD
I’m don’t care about brand loyalty, I just want results and stuff that works efficiently, and wacom does it for me, even if it takes at least 5 months to let it “pay for itself”
the chair nerd at Sun, 29 Jan 2023 04:33:28 UTC No. 935262
>>935258
I wont deny that wacom is best. Np dude. So many anime tiddies have been made tru rhose we all havec to be grateful.
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 13:26:57 UTC No. 935491
>>935050
t. chinese idiot
Anonymous at Tue, 31 Jan 2023 14:33:49 UTC No. 935500
>>935091
Take a look at this faggot. Huion Kamvas Pro 24 4K is 90% as good as the equivalemt Cintiq for 1/3rd the price. All these tablets are made in China and youre a retard if you think youre not paying a massive surplus for the Wacom name.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 01:42:52 UTC No. 937251
>>935254
>>935258
Sorry if this is /beg/ shit but how do they not get super scratched up? I tried one before and it felt like I was permanently scraping it with every movement.
>>935166
What about one with a screen? Is it better to just get used to drawing while looking up and away from the tablet? Also when you say "get an old intuos3" are you saying that intuos3 are old and good, or implying that they're is a newer version of intuos3 that is to be avoided?
the chair nerd at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 05:33:05 UTC No. 937266
>>937251
Wacom tips are always designed to be softer than the surface. Use the tools rigth and you'll have no problems (dont eat around a tablet or any input device forcthat mattet). Toast is the worst for any surface cuz it has small carbon piecesxthat behave like abrasive charcoal. Also if they get a little scratched meh if meansctou arecusing them. Thats what tools are made for. To be used nocto be looked at.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 05:56:56 UTC No. 937267
>>935042
I have a vinsa not the best, not the worst. Some chinese knock off brand (VINSA 1060 Plus model). The driver software could use some work, cant change some keys. Supposedly has 8192 levels, but it feels like its somewhere around 5000, shit was 30 $ from aliexpress so i cant complain, even older wacom tablets go around 90 euro + tax or more where i live. Its acceptable for my needs (zbrush/krita etc). Got it for cheap before it became known and somewhat popular and then they raised the prices.
Anonymous at Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:19:30 UTC No. 937298
>>935491
michael pavlovich just endorsed huion, but I'm sure he's just a chinese idiot, too, right? fucking retard.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 11:53:55 UTC No. 937873
>>935500
All Americans are proud of being scammed, its in their constitution or something
That's why they all buy apple products
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 12:42:05 UTC No. 937881
>>935042
What do you mean? Huion, Xp-pen, gaomon and a few others exist and are pretty good and usually less than half the price of Wacom ones
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 12:44:38 UTC No. 937883
>>935042
Are you the wacumguzzler from /ic/ switching boards since they no longer tolerate you?
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 14:00:27 UTC No. 937887
>>937881
That's the problem.
None of the competition is better than wacom, so they can only compete on price. Wacom can maintain their market dominance by simply making their products worse and slightly cheaper.
>>935050
What's the smallest bit of force huion's styli recognize?
How much force do you need to activate the barrel buttons on the styli?
How much do the styli weight? Is there a lithium battery inside that needs to be charged externally?
Can you send all thee mouse clicks from the stylus? Are styli individually recognized in software by their serial numbers?
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 14:04:03 UTC No. 937888
>>937883
learning 3dcg properly takes thousands of hours, so talentless noobies are always looking for shortcuts. believing the most expensive hardware (that they often not even own) to do miracles is a typical example of that. be thankful for these losers, they are the same crowd that buys tons of plugins, assetpacks and tutorials before finally quitting.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 14:05:47 UTC No. 937889
>>937887
>None of the competition is better than wacom, so
do your research, that's not even true. ignored the rest of your post, because you obviously know nothing.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 14:13:33 UTC No. 937892
>>937889
Grab your phone and your tablet stylus, and press one of the barrel buttons against one of the volume rocker buttons on your phone. Find out which one requires more force to activate, and by how much.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:37:59 UTC No. 937903
>>937887
I've been working at home on a Kamvas GT-191 V2 for a 4-5 years and had a Cintiq at work. Minimal difference in what it does and how it feels with a price 10x more bloated. I've literally made tens of thousands of dollars freelancing with the chinesium one without any major complaint or it failing on me. And the newer models are even better. I see no reason to ever buy a Wacom, literally money wasted. And for people with the general /3/ skill level, even that is overkill they can easily get the job done with a screenless tablet, which are in abundance and are almost indistinguishable in terms of quality to what wacom offers at 3x the price
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 16:35:01 UTC No. 937911
>>935050
Maybe hardware wise they could compete but the drivers are so awful that wacom has a monopoly on tablets that actually work
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 16:39:25 UTC No. 937912
>>937892
>smoothbrain take
all wacom tablets have adjustable ranges and "Tip Feel" under the adjustable Interactive Pressure Profile
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Feb 2023 21:44:16 UTC No. 937957
>>935043
you have several entire industries that depend on this device, i dont think i'd call that niche. thats like calling forklifts niche.
>>935044
buddy of mine had a huion, he said it was alright
pro tip though to anyone strapped. look for refurbished or used ones. wacom tablets are pretty damn hardy, used and refurbished ones tend to hold up pretty well and go for pennies on the dollar compared to brand new.
Anonymous at Fri, 24 Feb 2023 05:31:22 UTC No. 938015
>>935042
>patents
>historical market share and brand strength
>high quality long lasting and performing products
>not the cheapest, but still completely affordable
They won't last forever. Their competition is slowly creeping on them. But for now they're still the go to drawing tool for most people.
Anonymous at Mon, 13 Mar 2023 21:29:43 UTC No. 939872
>>938015
I'm wondering, how much is it patents. I tried an xp-pen it had a questionable nib with a spring under it and a dead zone. Wacom figured out the nibs years ago, I thought these patents were supposed to be expired.
Anonymous at Wed, 15 Mar 2023 04:33:46 UTC No. 940022
>buy drawing tablet to replace aging wacom drawing pad
>purchase Huion Kamvas Pro 16 brand new
>Stops working 15 days in
>contact support and get the run around for a week
>finally they let me have my money back if I leave a good review
>leave a good review and get my ~350 dollars back
never again
Anonymous at Wed, 15 Mar 2023 12:11:06 UTC No. 940040
>>940022
don't care, buying huion next. this board is wrong about literally everything. your opinion does not matter. you don't matter.
Anonymous at Wed, 15 Mar 2023 15:47:02 UTC No. 940052
>tfw I have wacom intuos pro m and I don't even use the buttons on the side
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Mar 2023 02:48:35 UTC No. 940104
>>939872
All I know is that they still have a fuck ton of patents, but no idea on what specifically. Never bothering look in to it.
I also know that many are expired(Wacom is old as fuck) and that's why there's growing number of competitors, but because they're relying on older tech they're still not as good a brand new wacom (they're still decent and acceptable for a fair share of the market though).
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Mar 2023 14:51:27 UTC No. 940382
>>940046
my comment was fucking spot on, but wow I see that you are in possession of a mediocre meme image.
Anonymous at Mon, 20 Mar 2023 15:54:31 UTC No. 940546
>>935042
my little bro has a large tablet that acts as a second monitor, it was about the same price as my small intous pro
Anonymous at Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:23:13 UTC No. 941157
How do i actually choose a tablet? I want to get one for zbrush, not sure if i want a screen on it but i definitely dont want an intuos and i dont want to deal with having to map or calibrate shit
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Mar 2023 00:18:25 UTC No. 941190
>>935042
I got a samsung 2n1. cheaper and has been working great.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Mar 2023 10:55:23 UTC No. 941233
>>935042
like my wacom intuos is comfy for arts
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Apr 2023 22:47:06 UTC No. 941984
Xencelabs, Medium tablet is great. If I didn't have a wacom inutos pro I'd pick one of these up. Used it at a friend's place, and it was exactly the same, and with a better stylus than the default wacom one. Plus there's less buttons on the tablet, not like anyone uses them anyways.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Apr 2023 23:41:36 UTC No. 941990
>>941157
My huion inspiroy is really good. 2 years in and i don't have any trouble with it so far. Just make sure to install drivers from the website, not the CD. When you get comfortable with zbrush and sculpting and want to become a professional, invest in a screen tablet then.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:17:03 UTC No. 942099
>>941157
xp pen or huion are good brands, at end wacom is about 10%-15% better with some quality of build but that is all. In past, differences were far greater but today specs and builds are nearly same but for fraction of price. No calibration needed, just install driver and plugnplay. Classic tablets around a4 size are good for start, cheaper than screen tablets and good enough for intro.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:19:54 UTC No. 943300
>>937911
holy fuck if wacom is the best there is as far as drivers no wonder this space is in such a sorry state
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Apr 2023 22:23:56 UTC No. 943307
>>935042
You are about 10 years late, anon. Huion have absolutely demolished Wacom in both the price and quality ratio (probably because Wacom got the Apple syndrome and relaxed, hoping that they could coast forever purely on the overpriced brand name and 0 innovations).
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:01:27 UTC No. 943311
>>935248
>Wacom One
That shit looks prohibitively small.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Apr 2023 20:27:39 UTC No. 943443
>>935056
>competing means doing similarly well at the same price, not doing similarly well at a lower price
"Winning" the argument by defining words to win by default doesn't prove any point.
>nobody would by the competition if it was the same price
As long as people like you religiously believe they are getting a premium product regardless of reality, companies like Wacom can charge extra for their brand. If faced with a similar quality item at a similar price, most people will buy the one with the more established name on it, the brand they either have good experience with already or that they heard about, as in either their friends whose opinion they trust use it or they've noticed the brand's reputation. It's called corporate identity and lets you sell equal or even worse products at a higher price because you sell something immaterial along with it, either trust, or status.
This is Apple's entire business model, nothing new.
If you insist on using something of the same price, even if you could get the same quality for cheaper, that's on you for buying the feeling of buying from the market leader, which sounds like that's what you actually want.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 May 2023 12:29:39 UTC No. 945067
>>935050
I can imagine.
>>935056
>once you factor in the fact that their products last forever.
Cintiq Companion Hybrid. Support abandoned nearly from the get go. Build quality is also questionable with vulcanized rubber that wears down only a a few years later despite a decent, cool, dry environment. I'm glad other companies have been managing to put together functionally comparable products for far less money. Wacom is prestige pricing. Little to nothing more. They're no longer effectively the go-to singular option on the market for quality product anymore despite maintaining that sort of pricing. Though I haven't bothered checking if they've been more reasonable as of late.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 16 May 2023 19:03:41 UTC No. 946018
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