🧵 /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:39:09 UTC No. 15902633
Indentured servitude - edition
previous >>15900010
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:41:57 UTC No. 15902640
It's not that easy in spaceflight
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:42:11 UTC No. 15902642
>>15902633
is this some elaborate bondage suit?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:42:47 UTC No. 15902644
Hubble glitch renews talk about private servicing mission
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https://spacenews.com/hubble-glitch
> WASHINGTON — A problem with the Hubble Space Telescope has renewed discussion about whether and how NASA might approve a private mission to reboost and potentially repair the spacecraft.
> NASA announced Nov. 29 that Hubble was in a safe mode because of a problem with one of its three operational gyroscopes. That gyro first triggered a safe mode Nov. 19 when it provided what NASA described as faulty readings. Spacecraft controllers restored operations of Hubble, only to see problems again Nov. 21 and 23.
> The agency said in the statement that engineers were studying the problem and did not estimate when science operations would resume. Hubble can operate with just a single gyro, although with some loss of productivity, such as the inability to perform some solar system observations.
> Hubble has six gyros, which were installed on the fifth and final shuttle servicing mission in 2009. Three of the six have since malfunctioned.
> The news of this latest, temporary problem with Hubble prompted a response from Jared Isaacman, the billionaire backing the Polaris program of SpaceX private astronaut missions. “Put us in coach,” he posted on social media.
> That was a reference to a study announced in September 2022 involving Isaacman, SpaceX and NASA to study the feasibility of a private mission to reboost and possibly repair Hubble using SpaceX’s Crew Dragon. At the time Isaacman suggested that a Hubble mission could be the second of three planned Polaris missions.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:44:37 UTC No. 15902650
>>15902644
https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/st
> Isaacman, in other social media posts, suggested the study concluded a reboost and servicing mission was feasible: “this should be an easy risk/reward decision.” However, he did not disclose details about how the mission would be conducted.
> SpaceX is also not the only option for servicing Hubble. NASA issued a request for information last December seeking concepts for commercial missions to reboost Hubble. NASA said it would not fund such a mission, instead offering it as an opportunity for companies to demonstrate their satellite servicing capabilities.
> The agency received eight responses, including one from satellite servicing company Astroscale in partnership with in-space transportation company Momentus. NASA said at the time it was evaluating them, but gave no timeline for completing that review.
> “Part of that review means looking at the capabilities of the Hubble Space Telescope itself and how this would work in concert with the telescope, and make sure the telescope itself remains safe during the process,” Mark Clampin, director of NASA’s astrophysics division, said of the review of those servicing proposals during a NASA science town hall meeting July 27.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:45:40 UTC No. 15902653
>>15902650
> Industry officials have privately said they believe that a reboost mission of some kind, involving either Crew Dragon or a robotic spacecraft, is feasible with current capabilities. Doing so would help extend Hubble’s life by counteracting a gradual decay in its orbit from atmospheric drag.
>There is more skepticism, though, about the ability to repair Hubble given the complexity of such work. Dragon lacks capabilities like an airlock and robotic arm for servicing, while robotic systems have yet to demonstrate the ability to perform advanced repairs in orbit.
>There is also the issue of cost. While NASA said a reboost mission would be done on a no-exchange-of-funds basis, a servicing mission likely would have some cost to NASA, industry experts said, such as hardware needed to carry out the repairs and time from NASA engineers to support that work.
>That comes as the agency’s science divisions prepare for potential significant budget cuts. That includes, Clampin said at an advisory committee meeting Oct. 13, considering a cut in the operating budget for Hubble in fiscal year 2024 by an unspecified amount.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:47:38 UTC No. 15902655
>>15902652
the picture should have Starship instead of SLS, because the video was really about criticizing the unknown complexity of Starship and the number of propellant flights
basically something that a BO representative could have written lmao
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:47:44 UTC No. 15902656
The Chinese will have an easily serviceable Hubble-tier telescope co-orbiting with their station soon. So, I'm okay if Hubble's mission is finally over.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:48:33 UTC No. 15902657
>>15902655
He also criticizes SLS / Orion for not having the delta-v to get into low lunar orbit.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:53:47 UTC No. 15902666
Guys should I learn tricks to do quick mental maths and larp as a smart person?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:54:11 UTC No. 15902668
>>15902661
I feel like we've discussed starship to death and /sfg/ should pause any starship talk for a while to let other spacecraft and missions have the spotlight.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:54:18 UTC No. 15902669
>>15902661
>GATEWAY
Oh god not another
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:54:44 UTC No. 15902671
>>15902652
>Guy with Apollo nostalgia talks to people with Apollo nostalgia about not doing things enough like Apollo while pretending he’s saying something risky or controversial
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:54:49 UTC No. 15902672
>>15902668
Nobody is stopping you from posting about other topics.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:55:45 UTC No. 15902675
>>15902668
>let other spacecraft and missions have the spotlight.
like what?
another falcon 9 launch?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:56:11 UTC No. 15902676
>>15902668
ess el ess
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:56:24 UTC No. 15902677
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:04:18 UTC No. 15902693
>>15902677
his relationship with NASA will never be the same...
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:04:58 UTC No. 15902696
>>15902666
Learn division tables as well as times tables
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:06:33 UTC No. 15902700
>>15902633
since when are we putting - before edition
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:07:34 UTC No. 15902701
>>15902644
>Hubble has six gyros, which were installed on the fifth and final shuttle servicing mission in 2009. Three of the six have since malfunctioned.
Why do they keep failing and how many gyros does JWST have?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:08:42 UTC No. 15902705
>>15902700
autists have been having fun fucking the OP in all sorts of creative ways and complaining when others do too
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:11:00 UTC No. 15902712
>>15902700
Why do you care? Why are you even scrolled up looking at the top of the thread?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:12:20 UTC No. 15902716
>>15902647
I really love the part where Perseverance stared at the same patch of ground for 2 weeks to watch the wind blow sand grains around.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:15:02 UTC No. 15902719
>>15902656
and it will have a much bigger FOV than Hubble. Speaking of FOV, what are Euclid and LSST doing?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:18:58 UTC No. 15902723
>>15902700
I've been doing that for forever
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:23:49 UTC No. 15902733
>>15902716
There's no wind on Mars, idiot.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:27:12 UTC No. 15902738
Is this like speculative future concept art?
I love that kind of stuff post more or link to more.
Usually I just look at speculative alien worlds, but I like this idea of the macabre future of human space exploration.
This one is especially more grounded and realistic than most speculative alien world projects I look at.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:30:57 UTC No. 15902741
>>15902733
no trolling outside of /b/
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:32:12 UTC No. 15902744
>>15902738
Can't remember their name but it's from a sci-fi artist on twitter.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:42:26 UTC No. 15902753
>>15902700
anal autism - edition
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:51:31 UTC No. 15902765
>>15902741
Why are you announcing your report?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:52:36 UTC No. 15902768
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:52:47 UTC No. 15902769
>>15902644
>Hubble has six gyros
And people say that Greece doesn't have a space program.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:54:14 UTC No. 15902772
>>15902653
>>15902650
NASA should just abandon the reboost only idea and put out an call for an actual servicing mission. If it's too expensive to actually service it then the reboost is pointless. But if it can be done there is hardware that needs to be built first.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:58:03 UTC No. 15902780
>>15902642
yes, economic bondage
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:59:41 UTC No. 15902781
>>15902701
HST uses gas-bearing gyroscopes, which are very sensitive but turned out to not be have wear issues. The rotor inside is spinning for years at 300 Hz.
JWST uses a totally different type. They don't have rotating parts or bearings. It has 6 and needs 2. Most spacecraft dont have these issues.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:09:22 UTC No. 15902797
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:11:36 UTC No. 15902804
>>15902781
>They don't have rotating parts or bearings
how is this possible
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:23:24 UTC No. 15902822
>>15902744
>artist on twitter
too bad
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:24:39 UTC No. 15902826
>>15902804
Oldspace magic.
https://www.researchgate.net/public
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:35:03 UTC No. 15902844
>>15902797
See >>15902765 kek
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:36:43 UTC No. 15902847
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:45:42 UTC No. 15902862
>>15902826
These are just sensors right? They can't torque a satellite with these, or can they?
Why not use laser gyros?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:47:10 UTC No. 15902863
>>15902860
That's consistent with NASA operating a gravy train instead of a Moon program, which would mean that ALL of NASA's communications suggesting a Moon program are inconsistent with the reality of what they're doing.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:59:59 UTC No. 15902881
>>15902652
Should I watch the video for entertainment's sake? from what I hear he bought into oldspace/blorigon propaganda
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:05:56 UTC No. 15902887
>>15902881
It's not terribly entertaining.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:13:58 UTC No. 15902900
>>15902881
its not that "he bought into it", he lives in alabama, is friends with people who work with SLS and is literally a MIC contractor if I'm not mistaken
I wouldn't be surprised if he works for a SLS subcontractor or something but I'm too lazy to find out
always found his videos way too long and wordy
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:14:42 UTC No. 15902901
>>15902881
you'd think a youtuber would be better at public speaking but he's not. he rambles a lot and his points aren't very good.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:15:58 UTC No. 15902906
>>15902652
I expected better from Destin. Too bad NASA will win either way, even if HLS turns out to be a resounding success.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:25:46 UTC No. 15902926
>>15902901
arent his videos full of jump cuts?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:26:54 UTC No. 15902927
>>15902906
I think what Destin really wants is a mini Starship
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:27:05 UTC No. 15902929
>>15902738
https://twitter.com/WhaleOil2/statu
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:29:54 UTC No. 15902937
>>15902906
It's possible that SpaceX dunks on them massively by doing an independent Moon or Mars mission shortly afterward
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:44:16 UTC No. 15902955
>>15902937
would be funny for them to do it before if SLS gets delayed by something else
I wonder if that would even be possible from a regulatory standpoint
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:46:03 UTC No. 15902957
>>15902906
This was the moment when Denis lost all credibility for me. How come he did all this research but somehow missed that Artemis isn't exactly a copy of Apollo? It's not another touch&go mission, the goal is to stay and build infrastructure. It's said in the "We are going" video he mentioned and Starship HLS is great for that purpose.
https://youtu.be/vl6jn-DdafM
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:47:48 UTC No. 15902960
>>15902937
Sorry ,SpaceX requires explicit permit to land on the moon by the FAA and exective branch. Biden must sig n off
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:49:53 UTC No. 15902963
>>15902960
>Biden must sig n off
the old man is so senile that he probably sold the entire solar system to elon at the reasonable price of 1 dollar.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:51:36 UTC No. 15902966
>>15902963
kamala is the space czar or something, bit she has been skipping the national space council meetings lately
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:27:45 UTC No. 15903019
>>15903002
Get your filthy membrane out of this thread.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:31:42 UTC No. 15903025
>>15903002
>rubber diaphragm at cryo temps
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:32:35 UTC No. 15903026
>>15903025
Frogs won btw
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:33:41 UTC No. 15903028
>>15903026
false
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:34:52 UTC No. 15903030
>>15903026
It's actually very Clear who the winner is
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:37:57 UTC No. 15903032
>>15902677
needs SRBs
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:47:18 UTC No. 15903036
>>15901952
Cloud city has free gravity and atmosphere (shitty atmosphere but useful), and quick access to ores using balloon probes.
Space station is always very exposed, and getting to and from the surface for mining always requires a substantial rocket. Cloud city just floats along lazily.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:51:26 UTC No. 15903042
>>15902826
Ah sorry I thought we were talking about the flywheels.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:52:55 UTC No. 15903043
Cloud cities are for midwits
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:57:54 UTC No. 15903049
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:58:12 UTC No. 15903050
I wonder what the data buffer capacity is of the various mars-orbiting spacecraft. The ground rovers can't really do a lot of science activity during solar conjunction if it's necessary to immediately transmit the data/pictures all the way home.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:58:37 UTC No. 15903052
>>15902960
Biden will be term-limited out before Artemis 3 is ready.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:01:45 UTC No. 15903057
You guys do realize Dragonfly will literally SNORT / SNIFF Titan right??? First a drill mounted on the skid pulverizes an amount of Titan and then the powder is pneumatically sucked into Dragonfly where it gets absorbed by a mass spectrometer
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:02:52 UTC No. 15903061
>>15903057
Fuck off kikeshill DRAGONFLY DOESNT GO TO THE LAKES THEREFORE IT SHOULDNT BE FUNDED END OF STORY
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:04:46 UTC No. 15903070
>>15903061
nice one oldspace shill. Bet you'd like the funding to go to your Lunar Gayway station. Dragonfly is the best NASA mission since the first probe landed on Mars.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:14:04 UTC No. 15903084
>>15903049
lmao nice
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:40:55 UTC No. 15903138
>27 minutes since last post
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:46:08 UTC No. 15903145
>>15903052
you think kamala harris will be better for spacex?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:55:12 UTC No. 15903155
>2 weeks of no RGV flyovers
it's ogre
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:00:26 UTC No. 15903164
>1968 December 12 - Kamanin catalogues the reasons the Soviet Union is losing the moon race
>Fighting between the VVS and its 'enemies' (Ustinov etc.)
>No single state organisation is responsible for civilian spaceflight.
>Various entities are responsible for various aspects of military spaceflight (RSVN, VMF, General Staff, VVS). Kamanin notes that the state has poured 10 billion roubles into the N1 without visible effect. He believes reusable systems are needed to reduce the cost of spaceflight. The death of General Biryuzov in a plane crash meant that the Soviet Union lost a strong supporter of a robust military space program.
>Kamanin believes the VVS should be in charge of piloted spacecraft, not the RVSN.
>Furthermore the entire design approach to manned spacecraft is incorrect -- what is needed is piloted spacecraft, not cosmonauts flying as passengers in automated spacecraft. The result of the automated philosophy was that the Soyuz was not man-rated until 1968. While the qualification process was going on, the American Gemini flew ten times. The Apollo-Saturn V has flown twice, while the L3 was still just a mock-up. In effect, the Soviet Union gave the Americans a two to three year lead, allowing them to beat the Russians.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:15:58 UTC No. 15903183
>watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoJ
>he's completely wrong on all of his major points about artemis
>people are eating it up
lmfao
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:23:45 UTC No. 15903199
>>15903164
>In effect, the Soviet Union gave the Americans a two to three year lead, allowing them to beat the Russians.
America had a lead because the Soviets were always planning for a lunar mission around 1975 and just assumed that all that "before the decade is out" talk was just political posturing. They didn't understand the error until Q1 1965 and by that point there was no amount of money they could dump into the N1 to make it go faster.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:33:03 UTC No. 15903216
>>15903057
>pneumatically
Actually this term is only correct on Earth. On Titan the correct term is "Titanomatically"
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:37:45 UTC No. 15903227
>>15903043
Wrong again
1) gravity
2) resources
3) effectively stationary relative to the surface of interest
Better than whizzing around at orbital speed and further spinning yourself in a tube to simulate gravity
From orbit all you can do is look at the planet from afar and receive occasional resource packages, probably from Cloud City.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:41:14 UTC No. 15903233
>>15903230
I don't know what it is either. hope this helps
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:42:25 UTC No. 15903235
>>15903230
Starlink
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:42:44 UTC No. 15903236
>>15903227
venus has some vater vapor but not sure if there is enough to sustain fuel production
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:42:52 UTC No. 15903237
>>15903230
>>/x/
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:44:37 UTC No. 15903244
>>15903183
These are AI generated accounts and replies. There's zero substance or thought behind a single one.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Dec 2023 23:54:13 UTC No. 15903258
>>15903230
>norway
its russian
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:28:50 UTC No. 15903292
>>15903237
>retarded newfag cant even link boards right
its >>>/x/ btw, lurk moar
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:37:24 UTC No. 15903308
>>15902655
>the video was really about criticizing the unknown complexity of Starship
I don't think you actually watched the video.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:39:50 UTC No. 15903316
>>15903308
I watched like 15min and then built a picture of the rest based on comments, he was talking about his grandfather and random ass bullshit
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:41:58 UTC No. 15903320
>>15902650
Why not just build a new telescope to replace it. Build it with starship in mind and then it could be much larger and heavier and by the time it’s ready, starship will probably be flying regular trips to orbit.
Or is everyone going to shoot that idea down by saying the price of some new hypothetical telescope would be insanely expensive and take like 15 years more than it should to be built?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:42:26 UTC No. 15903323
>>15903145
she will choose the first black nasa administrator, long overdue
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:43:12 UTC No. 15903326
>>15903320
you could do both, let SpaceX and Isaacman do the repair mission for free to show capabilities
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:47:13 UTC No. 15903337
>>15903320
You still gotta do something with the old one. Raise its orbit now to preserve it so we can put it in the Lunar Museum of Oldspace once that exists.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:47:18 UTC No. 15903339
unless atarahip has 100% effective boiloff mitigation then it's impossible to land on Mars.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:54:34 UTC No. 15903365
>>15903339
ara araship?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:55:15 UTC No. 15903368
>>15903323
black NASA administrators are real, you've seen them down at mishoe
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 01:10:54 UTC No. 15903400
>>15903365
Die
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 01:32:05 UTC No. 15903443
>>15903368
I've seen them down on the corner
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 01:34:40 UTC No. 15903448
>>15903443
shut the fuck up nigger, you may not like Charlie Bolden but he was, in fact, black
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 01:37:24 UTC No. 15903453
>>15903448
Yeah, I saw him down at the corner doing some kind of public relations event and shaking hands with members of the public. He told me it wasn't that easy.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 01:46:28 UTC No. 15903462
>>15903138
sorry im doing factorio, ugh, i know... i should post more but im busy slaying xeno's and spewing pollution
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 01:49:27 UTC No. 15903464
>>15903236
>under 50ppm
At that point it's easier to mine ice out system and ship it in.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 01:50:13 UTC No. 15903465
>>15903462
Shut up fagtoritard I bet you suck BBC daily
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 01:57:13 UTC No. 15903472
I've been reading and watching cybertruck stuff non-stop for 3 days now
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:01:03 UTC No. 15903483
>>15903472
Fuck off nobody cares about non spaceflight do the same for Starship test articles cock sucker
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:01:33 UTC No. 15903484
>>15903465
>mutt instantly thinks of sucking nigger dicks
my my anon what's gotten your panties in a twist today?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:11:01 UTC No. 15903495
NASA updating policy for rideshare missions
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https://spacenews.com/nasa-updating
> WASHINGTON — NASA is developing an updated rideshare policy for science missions that reflects both new launch opportunities as well as challenges faced in accommodating secondary payloads.
> The policy dates back to 2018, when Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator for science, announced that the agency would use excess capacity on launches of science missions to carry smallsat secondary payloads. NASA established a rideshare office to coordinate those opportunities in 2020.
>That “very significant” update, she said, would include other rideshare opportunities. The original policy involved excess capacity on NASA science mission launches, but the new one will include the Venture-Class Acquisition of Dedicated and Rideshare (VADR) contract vehicle as well as other options, such as rideshare launches on NASA Artemis missions and from other government agencies
> Unique requirements for NASA science missions, even smallsat missions, can make it difficult to find adequate rideshare opportunities. “All of our missions are different. They have unique trajectories. They all have different science,” she said. That rules out the use of launches like SpaceX’s Transporter series, which launches spacecraft to sun-synchronous orbit, or its new Bandwagon line of mid-inclination rideshare launches.
> “Small missions may have to spend a little more money on mission assurance to take advantage of rideshare to ride along with the higher mission assurance launches,” she said. “It’s not free, but it’s still worth the cost of finding a launch.”
I didn't actually understand what the new policy would be? Getting dedicated launches instead of putting some payloads only as rideshares?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:13:18 UTC No. 15903497
>>15903484
So you admit its true? As expected of BLACKED subscribers
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:14:14 UTC No. 15903500
>>15903495
its basically just fucking over spacex as usual because NASA REFUSES to use tugs
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:19:06 UTC No. 15903507
>>15903500
I'm surprised Momentus managed to fuck up their tug architecture. Did they ever announce a depot for water propellant?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:26:26 UTC No. 15903518
>>15903483
It's used for hauling Raptors. Cybertruck (pbuh) is now on topic forever.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:26:42 UTC No. 15903519
>>15903497
TND cannot come soon enough
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:27:10 UTC No. 15903520
>>15903507
who cares
https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/
the real tug company is here now
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:36:09 UTC No. 15903528
>>15903518
let it be know that from here to forever /sfg/ is exclusively for discussing the toyota tundra pickup truck in all its forms and use cases
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:38:16 UTC No. 15903530
>>15902633
What a terrifying image
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:39:37 UTC No. 15903531
>>15903528
based
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:41:15 UTC No. 15903532
>>15902652
Utilizing the same chain of logic, in exchange for the risk, what new lessons are there to be gained by the engineers? None. It has all been fully formulated. It makes much more sense to wait for more prudent technological advancements on the horizon. Earthers continue to waste resources on dick measuring contests, yet again favoring publicity stunts over implementation of actual space infrastructure to begin space mining. Time to cut funding, no your boots do not need to be on lunar dust again so soon, this is exactly what the populace means when they say you're wasting their money, their blood. Immediately begin planning the harvesting of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_Ps
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:47:51 UTC No. 15903545
>>15903528
is a toyota tundra a spaceplane?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:48:25 UTC No. 15903547
>>15902881
It's annoying because he's smart, he has good production and good ideas but his videos still suck somehow, he never stops going into useless tangents and doing sappy speeches.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:50:16 UTC No. 15903549
>>15902955
The FAA would delay them to stop NASA from losing prestige, like they did with Starship and the SLS launch.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:52:26 UTC No. 15903552
>>15903550
People will pretend that they didn't get embarrassed by an engineer and physishits will ignore it even while it becomes commercially successful.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:53:03 UTC No. 15903554
>>15903550
Nobody cares.
>>15903532
>unironic shilling of asteroid mining
You have to go back.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:54:36 UTC No. 15903557
>>15903554
>potentially unlocks cheap access to interplanetary space travel and opens the door to practical manned interstellar travel
>Nobody cares.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:57:14 UTC No. 15903559
>>15903550
All the "hard soifi" with lovingly calculated propellant budgets gets thrown in the Jules Verne bucket, Astra declares bankruptcy as nobody will ever use ion propulsion for a new design, and lightweight spacecraft nuclear reactors become the one block between us and Alpha Centauri.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:57:23 UTC No. 15903560
>>15903550
I would use it to fuck off out of this solar system
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:57:47 UTC No. 15903562
>>15903550
this guy is a chud!
https://twitter.com/memcculloch
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:58:56 UTC No. 15903564
>>15903562
And that's why he'll win. Any time the academy gets too conformist it needs to be humiliated by outsiders to provoke reform.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:00:15 UTC No. 15903566
>>15903564
Bleed out
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:00:26 UTC No. 15903567
>>15903550
interstellar colonization becomes a possibility
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:00:47 UTC No. 15903568
>>15903562
Hello, Based Department calling. Will you accept the charges?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:02:29 UTC No. 15903570
>>15902652
It was painful to watch. He had some good points but it really came out of the wrong mouth.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:02:35 UTC No. 15903571
https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/
> I absolutely love this talk by Destin (@smartereveryday
) and he's absolutely right! Overall, he made a well thought out case to simplify & ensure mission success for the Artemis program. That being said, I did want to write a few thoughts I have on some things. Thank you Destin for sharing this talk and allowing room for fun and important discussion, I look forward to everyone's comments below!
Everyday Astronaut wrote a novel about the Smarter Everyday video
its fucking long as fuck
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:04:49 UTC No. 15903574
>>15903550
does his drive allow for constant acceleration?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:08:10 UTC No. 15903578
>>15903574
As long as you can provide power.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:11:39 UTC No. 15903581
>>15903550
How would this change our understanding of physics and the universe as a whole if this smug motherfucker turns out to be right? Wouldn't it also give huge validation to decades of UFO/Nazi shit with the whole spinning a liquid really fast to levitate shit conspiracies?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:13:33 UTC No. 15903583
>>15903578
so nuclear + bullshit drive = 1c?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:18:26 UTC No. 15903587
>>15903583
14.88c actually
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:19:12 UTC No. 15903588
>>15903583
No, but arbitrarily close in principle, though you would have problems with hitting debris
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:20:13 UTC No. 15903590
>>15903587
What
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:20:47 UTC No. 15903592
>>15903588
so time to conquer the galaxy?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:21:29 UTC No. 15903594
>>15903581
Sort of. A couple of the early experiments mentioned in Paul LaViolette's book and some of Woodward's work were suspiciously similar to QI but they all ended up focusing on ion wind or magnetic interactions. Nobody was ever able to reproduce the claimed effects in a vacuum chamber before QI-as-such experiments.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:21:59 UTC No. 15903596
>>15903590
I believe this diagram may clarify it for you
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:22:55 UTC No. 15903598
>>15903592
Also time to redraw the starmaps if he's right about space not being bent and redshift not being proportional to distance.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:24:02 UTC No. 15903600
>>15903598
i am pretty concerned about the entire universe essentially fucking off and leaving us stranded with no long term resources
is his model better in that regard?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:24:46 UTC No. 15903602
>>15903588
wouldn't you still be limited by the energy density of nuclear fuel? if you wanted to get arbitrarily close to c you'd need a power source you weren't carrying with you and consuming as you did
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:25:25 UTC No. 15903604
>>15903600
Would this mess with parallax? The closest stars are still where we think they are if that's reliable.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:30:57 UTC No. 15903607
>>15902652
His complete ignorance of HLS and Starship was fucking retarded. He talks that not knowing the number of launches is a miscommunication error when it's literally just an uncertainty. We don't know the exact numbers because Starship and the HLS as the architecture is constantly changing. Not because there's "miscommunication".
His entire point falls flat when he needs to flaunt his complete fucking ignorance to make it.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:31:36 UTC No. 15903608
>>15903604
No, parallax is basic classical optics. QI posits that particles which can "see" less of the universe in an information-horizon sense have lower inertial mass, so it avoids "old light" model problems by asserting redshifted objects actually had different proton+electron inertial masses and thus longer emission wavelengths.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:31:51 UTC No. 15903609
>>15903604
On wait, you're probably talking about galaxies and such. I think the gravitational interactions in the local group probably prove that it's still a thing. I'm sure if inertialess tech is mastered there's be some way of using it to prevent heat death anyways. No reason or anything just a gut feeling
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:32:05 UTC No. 15903610
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:34:28 UTC No. 15903612
>>15903609
>prevent heat death anyways
man i really hope someone figures it out eventually
i know its a long way off but i refuse to accept that everything will end
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:34:32 UTC No. 15903613
>>15903608
Wouldn't that result in varying particle mass over time? Seems fairly easy to test
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:37:33 UTC No. 15903616
>>15903613
You'd have to create mass out of energy to test that, which puts the c^2 on the wrong side of your lab budget.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:39:45 UTC No. 15903620
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:41:56 UTC No. 15903622
>>15903596
>O'Neil cylinder with sonnenrads on the ends
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:47:55 UTC No. 15903628
>>15903622
The cross section of an O'Neill Cylinder with enough decks is already a sonnenrad if you have offset elevator shafts like skyscrapers do.
>>15903581
It would partially validate Hitler's suspicion of "judenphysicke" that's for sure. You MIGHT be able to rig up a Haunebu to hover very briefly using onboard gas/diesel generators if you arranged the current the right way, but the fuel economy would make an Me-262 look like a Prius and of course it wouldn't work in vacuum at all.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:51:26 UTC No. 15903630
>>15903622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1Z
It's all coming together
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:57:51 UTC No. 15903638
surely QI means far more than an intertialess thruster, it should enable all kinds of cool shit for us to play with.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:05:30 UTC No. 15903646
>>15903638
If you can feed enough power back up through a slipring or Canfield Joint it becomes possible to extract enough force from Unruh Radiation to run a generator. With sufficiently low alpha power supplies you can go full on Star Wars where the distinction between ground vehicles, aircraft, and spacecraft gets a bit fuzzy.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:09:37 UTC No. 15903655
>>15903646
At the risk of baseding out multipurpose space vehicles would be extremely cool. Go from your backyard to the (notional) seas of Proxima b in one vessel
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:16:46 UTC No. 15903667
>>15903655
Assuming it's got enough room for a years long journey and you weren't planning on seeing anyone back home ever again, sure. Relativity is still a killer. Backyard to Saturn is way more reasonable.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:24:07 UTC No. 15903677
>>15903667
I guess. I was kind of assuming development to the point which relativistic travel could be achieved, so interstellar journeys with a cabin size of, say, an airliner were possible. And not seeing your friends ever again was always an occupational hazard of star travel, but then again you could just take some of them along.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:30:17 UTC No. 15903682
>>15903667
>Relativity is still a killer
You have to be going at like 99% c in order to experience extreme time dilation. Even at like 90-95% c, the effects are minor; weeks to months, not decades to centuries.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:34:02 UTC No. 15903688
>>15903685
inflatable glass
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:34:38 UTC No. 15903689
>>15903685
I wouldn't
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:36:39 UTC No. 15903692
>>15903685
Do pic rel
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:45:55 UTC No. 15903702
>>15903685
Don't need them, there's nothing out there worth looking at.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:47:00 UTC No. 15903705
>>15902652
Holy shit I can't believe he'd do this.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:47:34 UTC No. 15903707
>>15903581
It would also fit in well with the Flyby Anomaly where planetary rotation appears to do something odd to spacecraft.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:48:52 UTC No. 15903714
>>15903574
No because that would mean free energy. There must be a catch.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:49:54 UTC No. 15903717
>>15903236
You can make water from sulfuric acid.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:50:51 UTC No. 15903719
>>15903581
dark matter gets explained away
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:52:33 UTC No. 15903720
>>15903714
It's not magic, it's manipulating inertia. The "push" is from gravity.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:56:45 UTC No. 15903728
>>15903720
Yes but it means you can run your thruster at fixed power and accumulate unlimited kinetic energy. Then catch it in a receiver and get back all the power your spent plus more.
Try it yourself, you'll see. Constant power and constant accelerate leads to a catastrophe.
At the very least RKV vehicles will be trivial and we'll all be in a lot of trouble.
sage at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:58:31 UTC No. 15903731
>>15903685
I like mr gigolo aerspace
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 04:59:55 UTC No. 15903734
>>15903728
thankfully we don't have to worry about these questions because it's not actually reactionless and only works because of earth's magnetic field.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:08:12 UTC No. 15903757
>>15903705
HEIL VON BRAUN
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:10:09 UTC No. 15903762
>>15903734
>ok, it works but only because of the earth's magnetic field
You are here
>alright it really is reactionless but it's so underpowered as to be useless
>the FAA will never grant a licence for powerful reactionless drives
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:16:00 UTC No. 15903769
/sfg/ - Stupid Faggot General
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:16:49 UTC No. 15903771
>>15903762
Get ready for the cope storm when they launch that cubesat to the moon.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:17:41 UTC No. 15903773
>>15903771
>actually its using the sun's magnetic field
Then when it leaves the solar system
>well actually it's using the galaxy's magnetic field so it doesn't count
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:21:44 UTC No. 15903781
>>15903773
We really gaan now.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:23:35 UTC No. 15903785
All you retarded shills are about to get dumpstered.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:26:53 UTC No. 15903789
>>15903762
You missed a few steps.
>it doesn't work
>it's only heating the air
>it's only ion wind
>it won't work in a vacuum chamber
You are here
>it won't work in orbit
>ok, it works but only because of the earth's magnetic field
>alright it really is reactionless but it's so underpowered as to be useless
>the FAA will never grant a licence for powerful reactionless drives
>space is racist
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:31:12 UTC No. 15903792
>>15903789
Saving this to update for next week.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:41:07 UTC No. 15903802
>>15903789
>it won't work in a vacuum chamber
This was fake though
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:41:23 UTC No. 15903803
>>15903802
cope
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:43:57 UTC No. 15903806
>>15903630
Chozos win again.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:44:45 UTC No. 15903807
>>15903550
literally whom and what did he do
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:46:17 UTC No. 15903810
>>15903807
Mike McCulloch, PhD, BaseD. He developed the Quantized Inertia theory of physics which is the basis of what you could call either a propellantless thruster or an inertial aether sail being tested on orbit thhis month.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:56:26 UTC No. 15903828
>>15903807
Just another grifter preying on schizos, much like Jeff Greason
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:58:37 UTC No. 15903830
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:59:11 UTC No. 15903832
>>15903830
Silly Frog General
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:00:40 UTC No. 15903835
>>15903810
Any good youtube videos about QI?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:02:45 UTC No. 15903839
>>15903835
All you need to know about it:
https://files.catbox.moe/j0uf3g.png
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:03:07 UTC No. 15903840
>>15903835
Not really, which I suspect is part of why it hasn't attracted the absolute galaxybrain /x/tards like the EMDrive did. There's McCulloch's writings, this paper which focused thruster development on capacitor pairs instead of photon loops or emdrive-style cavities, a bunch of discussions on Twitter, and a couple of interviews with IVO Space who built the test thruster.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:15:22 UTC No. 15903848
>>15902881
that is not a realistic girl REEEE (saved anyway)
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:16:41 UTC No. 15903850
>>15903550
significant short term games in spaceflight, significant long term losses in mastery of the universe
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:19:06 UTC No. 15903852
>>15902955
manned? eh, nah. Even with contracts where the would be tourist sign stating they accept all risks associated with the flight you would still get EDSers frothing at the mouth to sue SX to oblivion. Specially if the flights fail. Starting with the DoJ
unmanned sending robusts probes and shit? hell yeah
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:24:47 UTC No. 15903855
>>15903236
too bad venus is unrepairable without something like a type 2 civilization that can change the rotation of planets. At which point you might as well fuck off to some other star system to terraforming candidates that already have a functioning magnetosphere.
It was so close to being a earth like until it got fucked up in the planetary crib
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:29:39 UTC No. 15903859
>>15903810
is this another LK-99 situation?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:30:09 UTC No. 15903860
Any update on the F&S thruster?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:30:52 UTC No. 15903861
>>15903850
>significant long term losses in mastery of the universe
???
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:33:08 UTC No. 15903862
Unironically what the fuck is happening with Elon? Is he retarded? Or are people just trying to make him look bad?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:37:23 UTC No. 15903864
>>15903861
it means physicists have been wrong since the 1930s and the entire discipline needs to be demolished and rebuilt.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:41:04 UTC No. 15903871
>>15903859
No, it actually works well enough in vacuum chambers that they're testing it on orbit. DARPA has thrown money at it too, unlike most propellantless thruster related projects.
>>15903864
Putting physics in good company with many other branches of science poisoned since the 1930s for (((some reason))).
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:46:34 UTC No. 15903877
>>15903862
Please, we are a senegalese beer rocket forum
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:47:42 UTC No. 15903879
>>15903862
He got buck broken by the kikes.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:49:36 UTC No. 15903881
>>15903864
Revealing perceived mastery to be fake mastery isn't a loss. Semantics though.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:51:25 UTC No. 15903883
>>15903862
genuinely retarded but also refuses to pay a PR company or marketing firm to give him a better public image
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:52:24 UTC No. 15903885
>>15903862
People are fed too much propaganda. Musk is calling it out.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:52:28 UTC No. 15903886
>>15903881
It could be construed as a loss by people whose sinecures rely on their bogus research.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:53:20 UTC No. 15903888
>>15903886
On the plus side it means we can redirect the relativistic particle beam budget from boson hunting to anti-satellite defense.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:55:21 UTC No. 15903894
Fucking hell, feels like you guys are more motivated by hatred for established scientists than by excitement about the new theory. I understand we're anti science now but this just feels needlessly vitriolic
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 06:57:49 UTC No. 15903896
>>15903894
>(((established scientists)))
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:00:45 UTC No. 15903899
>>15903894
Why should I have to love bad science? We all know they're holding back progress.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:00:52 UTC No. 15903900
I hecking love science!
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:02:08 UTC No. 15903901
>>15903894
Magic>Science
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:05:24 UTC No. 15903908
>>15903705
based
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:06:17 UTC No. 15903909
>>15903894
Holy shit kill yourself hes a fraud and his theory has been indisputably disproven false. Stop shilling him and any other fakes like that LK-99 shit from months back. Bring an ACTUAL discovery infront of me with good scientific backing behind it instead of pseudoscience and then we can celebrate and praise it instead of sucking this faggot off endlessly in the general just to have his faggot ideas eternally BTFO then you move to the next scientist you want to latch on to.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:07:46 UTC No. 15903911
>>15903909
I'm sorry, who's experiment has been launched into space and is currently orbiting planet Earth? Checkmate child diddler.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:08:54 UTC No. 15903912
>>15903911
>random pedophilia accusations
someone should check your hard drive
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:11:21 UTC No. 15903913
>>15903912
I literally have terabytes of nothing but sneed memes. You on the other hand....
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:16:14 UTC No. 15903914
>>15903909
Saving this for next week's thread.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:18:09 UTC No. 15903916
>>15903909
How long has it been since we had something really interesting that wasn't a fraud tho?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:21:05 UTC No. 15903918
>>15903916
We had full motor ignition on starship just last week.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:23:19 UTC No. 15903920
>>15903918
I'm talking about scientific discoveries, not engineering achievements.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:25:32 UTC No. 15903924
>>15903916
What about the time Perseverance discovered some more rocks?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:27:10 UTC No. 15903926
>>15903909
He's not a fraud, he's a schizo.
See? >>15903550
classic schizo-face
All electrical engineers end up this way, some sooner than others.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:27:26 UTC No. 15903927
>>15903920
>he wants scientific discoveries in spaceflight general
go back to the /sci/ catty
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:31:12 UTC No. 15903931
>>15903924
Any traces or remnants of life in them
>>15903927
The Flat Earth board doesn't seem like the best place to talk about scientific discoveries.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:32:14 UTC No. 15903932
What's the difference between/sci/ and /x/? One is Fat, the other is Trans-fat
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:37:08 UTC No. 15903937
>>15902772
Unless I'm missing something, Hubble still has three functional gyros and can still operate, though in a reduced capacity, as long as it still has one gyro. Maybe the thing to do is to keep boosting it until it's down to its last gyro, at which point it should be flamed down into the ocean. And if Dragon, Starship, or some other craft gains the ability to do servicing missions before Hubble is down to its last gyro, then consider servicing it. Ditching it now while it still has some life left in it doesn't seem to have a good reason.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:44:34 UTC No. 15903940
>>15903931
>Any traces or remnants of life in them
Not possible to tell with current sensors but there are signs of water having been there in the past.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:50:59 UTC No. 15903944
>>15903940
>signs of water having been there in the past
That's cool but didn't we already know this from erosion patterns?
>Not possible to tell with current sensors
Are they planning on bringing sensors that could tell anytime soon?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:53:10 UTC No. 15903947
>>15903931
>The Flat Earth board doesn't seem like the best place to talk about scientific discoveries.
excuse me, /sci/ is the home of flat earth and IQ breads tyvm
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 08:14:54 UTC No. 15903956
Im baiting on /pol/ right now, any recommendations how I can piss off specifically the flerf truthers on that board?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 08:22:32 UTC No. 15903961
>>15903956
Stay there
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 08:25:00 UTC No. 15903963
>>15903230
there were two unannounced launches today, I wonder if it is either of these?
1. Long March 2C at 4:00 UTC
2. new Korean solid fuel launcher at 5:00 UTC
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 08:39:06 UTC No. 15903975
>>15903956
Talk about China's space program.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 08:40:44 UTC No. 15903978
>>15903956
You can't because they are paid operatives. They never actually talk to you except to dissemble.
You could mention Hitler being fully on board with the globe paradigm.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 08:41:45 UTC No. 15903980
>>15903956
Point out how flerf is a torah (Jew) theory, wheres Glerf is a Greek (White) theory.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 08:45:07 UTC No. 15903983
>>15903956
What the other anon said but add religion baiting to the mix, use Eratosthenes and other White pagans knowing the truth about globe vs 1000 years of judeo-christian dark ages of talmudic flat Earth.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 09:03:44 UTC No. 15904008
>>15903956
>>15903975
>>15903978
>>15903980
>>15903983
Kill yourselves
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 09:06:54 UTC No. 15904013
>>15904008
Shalom, moshe
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 09:20:31 UTC No. 15904032
>>15904017
Did you know that in NASA, "Gemini" is pronounced "Gay Man I"?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 09:30:30 UTC No. 15904044
>>15903926
He's an oceanographer.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 09:39:36 UTC No. 15904054
>>15904045
the sun must be destroyed, or reduced
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 09:48:01 UTC No. 15904063
>>15903859
No, QI has been in the talks for a long while, and soon there will be a test in space to see if it actually works instead of it being just tape outgassing.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:03:24 UTC No. 15904079
>Italian rocket maker Avio has lost two propellant tanks that were to be used for the final Vega flight in 2024. The company is currently exploring its options.
https://europeanspaceflight.com/the
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:03:57 UTC No. 15904080
>>15904063
Soon = next week probably. They're just waiting for the other experiments on the cubesat to be done.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:05:02 UTC No. 15904081
>>15904079
>Two of the four tanks necessary to power the fourth stage of the final Vega flight disappeared several months ago, leaving Avio scrambling to find an alternate solution.
How the fuck can you manage to lose a propellant tank?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:06:31 UTC No. 15904083
>>15904081
It's Italy. Someone had to look the other way while mobsters stole them.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:07:36 UTC No. 15904084
>>15904079
But wait, it gets worse.
>Despite the futility of the search, the tanks were eventually found. This was, however, not the good news Avio had hoped for. The tanks are, unfortunately, not in a usable state. They had been crushed and were found alongside metal scraps in a landfill.
>At the moment, Avio does not have any way of acquiring new tanks for the mission, with all Vega production lines having been shut down. Avio is, as a result, exploring two options in an attempt to salvage the mission.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:10:51 UTC No. 15904088
>>15904083
This.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:13:07 UTC No. 15904090
>>15904083
tf is the mob going to do with propellant tanks??? Not exactly an easy item to fence.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:13:29 UTC No. 15904091
>>15904084
What the fuck? How does that happen? Is this the aerospace equivalent of getting a horse head in your bed?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:13:32 UTC No. 15904092
>>15904083
>tmw mobsters steal enough parts to build their own vega
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:14:53 UTC No. 15904094
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:22:20 UTC No. 15904108
>>15904090
Space is ripe for the taking, outside the reach of the Carabinieri
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:26:59 UTC No. 15904117
https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos
Proper response to the old space shill talk.
https://vocaroo.com/1fhda1R7Acr1
Also AI voiced
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:31:18 UTC No. 15904121
>>15904108
And if QI thrusters work you can even have space getaway cars for space crime without being propellant constrained.
Astranon at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:34:26 UTC No. 15904129
>>15904091
It's possible someone mislabeled good tanks as bad and the trash removal crew just followed the labels. I remember the Astra factory had all sorts of half finished tanks sitting around.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:55:05 UTC No. 15904146
>>15904117
Why are Dodd and him pissing themselves over this?
Are they such Starship superfans that they can't handle anyone having a different view without doing a lengthy retort in a faggy tone?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:19:28 UTC No. 15904165
>>15904079
Holy shit I read this headline two hours ago and just assumed “lost” meant the manufacturer went out of business or something—not that the tanks are literally MIA kek
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:21:11 UTC No. 15904168
>>15904146
>different view
Dude is a literal oldspace sub sub sub sub contractor employee shilling boomer trash.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:21:49 UTC No. 15904169
>>15904079
It's like some random headline from a movie, and it turns out some guy is building a rocket in his backyard.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:24:10 UTC No. 15904171
>>15904079
Reminder that the Avum CEO compared Vega to a Ferrari and Falcon 9 to a Tata
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:28:26 UTC No. 15904174
>>15904146
It's not a different viewpoint.
He's a literal shill on MIC payroll spewing propaganda while pretending to be a concerned neutral party.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:30:28 UTC No. 15904177
>>15904171
??? one is a low volume handcrafted Italian luxury, and the other is a mass produced shitbox made by Indians. It's the most apt comparison.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:31:03 UTC No. 15904179
>>15904177
ok retard
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:31:31 UTC No. 15904181
>>15904171
Oh yeah lol, that was a good berger article
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:35:31 UTC No. 15904187
>>15904181
Link to it or remember the headline?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:39:03 UTC No. 15904190
>>15904187
It’s such a long article but it’s arguably Berger at his best.
https://arstechnica.com/science/201
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:47:14 UTC No. 15904198
>>15902652
I watched the whole thing. What in the actual fuck was he thinking here? This was beyond embarrassing. Completely clueless of HLS, startd to push fucking Apollo era nostalgia as if it should be applied to artemis while completely ignoring the entire context of it (it being basically a risky stunt that had infinite money backing it) and goes on about simplicity and fucking hypergolics. Yeah, good luck building sustainable lunar infrastructure with a hypergolic 4m^3 tin can lmfao.
There's little difference between him standing there lecturing industry leaders and one of our residential psuedos (like me) doing it.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:49:49 UTC No. 15904201
>>15904198
its kind of sad because i have enjoyed plenty of his other videos
guy really should have studied harder for this
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:51:40 UTC No. 15904204
>>15904198
Yeah, should have stayed in his own lane instead of talking about something he has little understanding of just because he got an opportunity to run his mouth.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 11:52:28 UTC No. 15904205
>>15904198
>and goes on about simplicity and fucking hypergolics
Dustin is a GlushkoCHAD???
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 12:30:21 UTC No. 15904237
>>15904205
Even glushko came to his senses at the end of his life
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 12:38:08 UTC No. 15904243
>>15903685
JUST TRUST ME. YOU'RE REALLY IN SPACE, OKAY?!
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 13:11:45 UTC No. 15904259
>>15904243
If they could build something that replicates indefinite weightlessness on earth that would be even more impressive than going to space.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 13:15:43 UTC No. 15904262
>>15904259
the inflatable space habitat rotates on the end of a tether
it's a perfect facsimile of being stuck in a balloon on Earth
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 13:19:12 UTC No. 15904263
>>15904262
I'm sorry but you don't understand basic physics.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 13:50:49 UTC No. 15904285
>>15904263
You can simulate higher gravity by centrifuge. Just spin in the opposite direction and you get lower gravity.
Easy.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 14:01:38 UTC No. 15904302
>>15904177
More like handcrafted shitbox vs mass produced supervehicle
Ferrari vs Model S
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 14:03:04 UTC No. 15904305
>>15904235
How do you feel
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 14:13:12 UTC No. 15904318
>>15904263
please explain how it's not possible to spin something to approximate 1G
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 14:41:29 UTC No. 15904344
>>15903685
ever hear of this thing called GLASS BLOWING?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 14:44:33 UTC No. 15904351
>>15903685
inflooootables are such trash lmao
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 14:56:56 UTC No. 15904365
>>15904305
Like shit. At least Ket doesn't last long. I don't know what Elon sees in this horse tranquilizer.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 14:57:23 UTC No. 15904366
>>15903036
I want to agree with you, but if we already have the orbital infrastructure in place(hypothetical) to build cloud cities, we also have the infrastructure to make large Venusian rockets.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:00:03 UTC No. 15904369
>>15904365
Even according to the hit piece he micro doses it
I have never seen him show signs of intoxication except the tism stupor
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:00:46 UTC No. 15904370
>>15903890
Nasa had some cuties
🗑️ Barkun at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:01:29 UTC No. 15904371
>>15904365
It has a part that put horses to sleep and a part which is a sedative. The first part doesn't effect humans, you don't go to sleep. But it has a technically good effect.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:02:36 UTC No. 15904372
>>15904366
Isn't Venus deltaV to take off from surface comically high due to the extreme atmosphere? Something like 25000km/s. A floating "station" to go from heavier than air propulsion to chemical rockets into space may be necessary
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:03:11 UTC No. 15904373
>>15903890
>SHANEEQUA
>VEREEN
🗑️ Barkun at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:04:29 UTC No. 15904375
>>15904373
Shut up, faggot. This is a Barkun thread.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:21:37 UTC No. 15904388
>>15904369
I read he said usually microdoses except at parties where he takes large doses. Anyway I got nauseous and no trippy effects.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:22:32 UTC No. 15904390
>>15904372
2STO lifting body? Accelerate to orbit once you clear the thick parts of the atmosphere.
Forgive my lack of knowledge, but a whole floating platform sounds exaggerated (but fuckin cool)
something like image related and then adapted for venusian flight. use 2 of them.
I do wonder how lifting bodies would fly in that thicc fuckin atmosphere.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:23:42 UTC No. 15904393
>>15904388
microdoses for depression or something
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:26:19 UTC No. 15904396
>>15904388
>>15904393
He never said any of that publically.
He tweeted friends tolsd him it helped them with depression
journalists are as usual quoting anonymous sources familiar with the matter
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:47:12 UTC No. 15904429
The crushed Vega tanks were made by Lavochkin in Moscow
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 16:35:43 UTC No. 15904498
>>15904483
heh, made me chuckle a little bit.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 16:37:04 UTC No. 15904500
>>15902633
fuck mars.
just drill then nuke the moon to create giant cavity in the crust
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 16:39:38 UTC No. 15904503
>>15904483
Lmao
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 16:44:26 UTC No. 15904506
>>15903495
This is probably codifying what they had to do for the rideshares that got bumped from Psyche. It was a novel idea at the time it was proposed (Artemis 1 beat them to launch).
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 16:57:57 UTC No. 15904521
>>15904510
what the fuck is that
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 16:59:45 UTC No. 15904522
>>15904521
lol I think it's a starship tile neck gator. I bet they sell them on their store. does he hawk it at any point in the video?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:09:16 UTC No. 15904533
>>15904390
both the lift and drag numbers would be insane haha
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:12:03 UTC No. 15904536
>>15904390
it's insane how much better the X-24 looks when viewed from the underside.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:15:10 UTC No. 15904537
>>15904366
why does space film photography look this amazing but even today's digital just looks shit
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:15:44 UTC No. 15904541
>>15904536
for once a flat bottom is attractive
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:18:53 UTC No. 15904544
>>15904541
>blocks your path
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:21:33 UTC No. 15904547
>>15904372
What if we remove the atmosphere?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:22:11 UTC No. 15904549
>>15904544
Get the ULA sniper
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:22:20 UTC No. 15904550
>>15904544
Don't post gore
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:22:26 UTC No. 15904552
>>15904537
film has really high resolution and some optical properties which give images a cooler aesthetic, the advantage of digital is you can take ten billion photos without needing a new roll. If I were an astronaut going to Jupiter or whatever I'd definitely have a space film camera in my carry on though
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:24:44 UTC No. 15904554
B10 got its HSR btw kek. Allot sooner than I thought.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:25:40 UTC No. 15904557
>>15904552
The thing is though modern digital cameras have mostly caught up to film, but every time I see a photo taken in space it looks like it's been shot on a phone from 15 years ago. Do they just not think to take good cameras up there?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:28:33 UTC No. 15904559
>>15904558
theyre not sending their best
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:29:55 UTC No. 15904560
>>15904557
For planetary probes it might really be a case of using older technology for reliability's sake. On the ISS, though, the film aesthetic helps round out the garishness of the whole thing. Earth orbit (sans the Earth itself) really is less picturesque than we might hope.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:31:48 UTC No. 15904561
>>15904559
how so? looked like all white men to me
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:39:47 UTC No. 15904570
>>15904533
More or less what I expect. I wish I knew the calculations for shit like this. There's a few calculators online and it says a wing that's 50m2 (10 by 5) moving at 20meters/sec would generate a lift of 715000 Newtons at an angle of attack of 7degrees.
I don't know how to interpret newtons very well, but does this mean the wing generates 715 tons of lift force across its surface area at 20m/s?
or it can climb at 1m/s whilst carrying 715 tons?
(I didn't add drag to the calculations, but that would be a big factor as well.)
hmmm I like flying wings.
>>>15904536
come oooonnn, it looks fucking sweet from every angle.
>>15904537
There's a magic to film that digital can't quite capture.
Digital is cool too, but it takes a lot of work to give it soul.
>pic
>>15904544
shittle
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:51:56 UTC No. 15904590
>>15904589
We all know the Russians drilled holes in their own module.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:57:53 UTC No. 15904597
>>15904589
the ISS is a shitbox, but I would be sad to see it go.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:00:50 UTC No. 15904601
>>15904570
>generates 715 tons of lift force across its surface area at 20m/s?
Almost. A newton is ~0.1 kgf, so that's only ~71 tons of lift
>or it can climb at 1m/s whilst carrying 715 tons?
Well, it means it can accelerate a mass of 715 tons by 1 m/s/s, but since gravity's acceleration (on Earth or Venus) is ~10x that, you can't really call it gliding, much less climbing, at that point.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:03:07 UTC No. 15904607
>>15904570
>>I don't know how to interpret newtons very well
9.81N/kg is an acceleration of 1g.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:06:13 UTC No. 15904613
>>15904589
why are female astronauts SO ugly.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:10:14 UTC No. 15904621
>>15904617
contlol-c contlol-v
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:11:53 UTC No. 15904625
>>15904607
>>15904601
Thank you based anons.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:12:58 UTC No. 15904629
>>15904617
Better to copy spaceX than to cope and pretend they don't exist.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:21:12 UTC No. 15904639
>>15904613
lots of testosterone
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:30:13 UTC No. 15904652
>>15903871
>>15904063
There are much better ways to prove this works that doesn't involve launching into space away from the prying eyes of others. People were able to measure the gravitational forces between two metal blocks back in the 19th century. The fact that they went to orbit before publishing screams scam and not just another innocent confirmation biased mistake like the EM Drive.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:33:53 UTC No. 15904659
>>15904652
They've already done vacuum chamber testing of the thruster. The main paper of how these capacitor plate thrusters work was published years ago. See >>15903840
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 19:11:04 UTC No. 15904687
>>15904613
?????????
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 19:26:23 UTC No. 15904697
>>15904687
Sex in zero G would be so easy, literally just manhandle her like she's a fleshlight.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 19:27:18 UTC No. 15904699
Coomers WNGTS. Pathetic whelps, all of you.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 19:43:59 UTC No. 15904721
>>15904697
Just imagine
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 19:49:42 UTC No. 15904727
>>15903963
>the chinese launch put sats into a 98 degree inclination
>the korean one was at 47 degrees inclination
which one is it
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 19:52:13 UTC No. 15904731
>>15904725
How
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 19:57:45 UTC No. 15904742
>>15904725
> - Lakeisha Hawkins - SpaceX has demonstrated lift off ablities on Starship. Blue Origin has delivered a mockup, completed the initial review, architecture completed.
> General Lyles: Saying that the term " Completed" on Starship is indeed italics but they need to work the anomaly they experienced. Lakeisha Hawkins - Yes they are hardware rich, our team is embedded in there investigation team
> Q: Richard Oberman - What are the "tall poles"? Hawkins - On Gateway, would point to the long term use of Gateway, and make sure we have our arms wrapped around autonomous ops, crew time will be short. Interoperability standards:
> Want to make sure our international partners are on the same page, we're just getting to the place where we're working though manufacturing in terms of tech development in work dating back to when the PPE was being developed for the asteroid capture mission.
> Lakeisha Hawkins On Spacesuit development, While we have a lot of history that has been out there on suits developed for LEO, would characterize this on normal part of development, don't think we can't work though challenegs
> On HLS - what's the assesment of the tech gap for Artemis III? A: Lakeisha Hawkins - Its a risk we're tracking and looking at partnership with STMD, and capitalizing on the agency expertise, investments are being made by the partners.
> Lakeisha Hawkins Would call the TRL level a mid-5 or 6 range on the cryo fluid management
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 19:58:50 UTC No. 15904744
>>15904731
take two tanks into orbit or fractional orbit and test it during the coast phase or in actual orbit
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:00:54 UTC No. 15904746
https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status
> Booster 10 has been given its hot staging ring, which appears to be much the same as the last one. If it ain't broke don't fix it?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:01:19 UTC No. 15904748
>>15904744
Only one tank
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:01:59 UTC No. 15904749
>>15904687
You think any of the girls had cute underwear?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:02:01 UTC No. 15904750
>>15904725
https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/s
> Another interesting slide, re on-orbit servicing, says (lower right) that the Habitable Worlds Observatory (next after Roman Space Telescope) is being designed for instrument replacement out at Sun-Earth Lagrange Point 2 (where JWST is).
> Int discussion re challenges of developing cryo fluid mgmt and how NASA can't get data it needs from cmrcl partners bc of how contracts are made. NASA can't tell partner what data to collect and even if NASA can get it, can't share detailed designs w/community to validate models.
> NASA's John Dankanich uses example that getting ppl to the Moon is not a contract to deliver cryo fluid mgmt data NASA can validate. Applies to various types of contracts. NASA understood data rights wld be issue, but had to balance cost share w/benefits to community as a whole.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:03:02 UTC No. 15904751
>>15904748
you can take stuff int the cargo space to test the mechanism, tanks that are independent of actual propellant tanks
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:04:42 UTC No. 15904754
>>15904742
> the TRL level a mid-5 or 6 range on the cryo fluid management
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:06:16 UTC No. 15904757
>>15904750
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:07:27 UTC No. 15904761
>>15904754
https://www.twi-global.com/technica
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:08:54 UTC No. 15904764
>>15904754
Next launch will bring cryo transfer to TRL 7, two or three subsequent launches to hit TRL 8, a few more to hit TRL 9, should be ready by early 2025 ez
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:09:30 UTC No. 15904765
>>15904761
>QI thrusters are currently TRL 6, 7 if this demo flight works.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:12:29 UTC No. 15904768
keep in mind SpaceX handles cryofluids all the time with no issue, so the real tech testing being done here is mating hookups (they do it on the ground where it's harder) and the pumping mechanism they picked (impeller, or maybe gas blowdown?). Minimal new and unknown shit happening.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:21:28 UTC No. 15904775
>>15904754
>>15904765
>breaking physics is further along than moving some cold liquid around
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:21:29 UTC No. 15904776
>>15904725
Fucking bullshit kys your source is a literal who
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:21:54 UTC No. 15904777
>>15904775
yes
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:23:59 UTC No. 15904780
>>15903025
>imagine the smell
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:31:04 UTC No. 15904791
>>15904775
kek
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:35:41 UTC No. 15904800
Why We Should Settle Mars
--
https://quillette.com/2023/12/04/wh
> A review of A City on Mars: Can We Settle Space, Should We Settle Space, and Have We Really Thought This Through? by Kelly Weinersmith and Zach Weinersmith, 448 pages, Penguin (November 2023).
> Now however, as privately-funded space activities have become a reality, deeper thought has become requisite to develop a compelling argument for aborting the nascent project of human expansion into the solar system. One thesis, propounded at book length by Professor of Religion and Science Mary Jane Rubenstein, is that humans should not go to other worlds because we would harm them. According to Rubenstein, even extraterrestrial rocks have rights, and their lives and liberties could be severely impacted by the arrival of human pioneers.
> While of great interest as an example of antihumanism taken to its logical conclusion, the problem with this thesis is that most people don’t care about the rights of rocks.
> Clearly, the anti-space cause needs stronger advocacy. Kelly and Zach Weinersmith’s book A City on Mars seems at first like a promising candidate.
>But the Weinersmiths’ central thesis is inherently contradictory. Human settlement of space is pointless and impossible, they argue, but we also need laws to stop it, lest humanity destroy itself fighting over the unprecedented bonanza that space has to offer.
> In the more enjoyable first half of the book, the authors ridicule a number of silly and/or morally repugnant arguments that have been advanced in favor of space exploration. These include the ideas that by settling space we will be able to move all heavy industry off Earth—thereby ending pollution—and that by going into space, we will create a way for some of humanity to survive after we destroy the Earth and kill off the rest.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:38:04 UTC No. 15904802
>>15903885
he is not immune to propoganda (see: everything he has said about the russians or the ukraine war)
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:41:05 UTC No. 15904806
>>15904800
>In support of this, the Weinersmiths cite the high levels of radiation, extreme temperatures, and zero-gravity conditions of interplanetary space, as well as the abrasive dust and other hazards found on the surfaces of many planets. They discuss at length the many ways in which unprotected exposure to such conditions could kill. But they generally downplay or neglect to mention the fact that there are ways of overcoming those challenges—preferring instead to depict would-be space travelers in a variety of comically helpless predicaments.
> Like Deudney, the Weinersmiths also posit the idea that—despite their intrinsic worthlessness—the Moon, Mars, and asteroids are likely to become objects of contention between major terrestrial powers, thereby driving them towards Armageddon.
> There is a lot more legalese, but the basic message, as the Weinersmiths concisely explain, is “Translation: ‘No, you can’t exploit it. NO! NO SHENANIGANS JUST HANDS OFF!’” They endorse this treaty because “If you believe, as we do, that there’s no obvious economic case for Moon mining … then this new Moon Race is just a pointless escalation towards a crisis, possibly even a conflict.”
> This brings me to the most serious problem with this book. We do face a serious threat of war right now—but not from Martian invaders or because of disputes over mining rights on the Moon.
> While space assets have been used in conflicts dating back to Vietnam, the current war in Ukraine is the first in which space capabilities have played a decisive role. It is only though such advantages as superior space-based communications, reconnaissance, and GPS-guided munitions that the Ukrainians have been able to hold off Russian forces that outnumber them three to one.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:42:06 UTC No. 15904807
>>15904802
lol, are you sure about the person affected by propaganda here?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:43:28 UTC No. 15904809
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:44:29 UTC No. 15904810
>>15904725
This is SpaceX's tipping point contract. Starship's first ever payload will be 10 metric tons of liquid oxygen.
>SpaceX of Hawthorne, California, $53.2 million
>Large-scale flight demonstration to transfer 10 metric tons of cryogenic propellant, specifically liquid oxygen, between tanks on a Starship vehicle. SpaceX will collaborate with Glenn and Marshall.
https://www.nasa.gov/technology/202
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:47:16 UTC No. 15904813
>>15904032
geh, muh knee (he has been shot by an arrow)
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:47:26 UTC No. 15904815
>>15904810
Imagine the RUD kino
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:48:48 UTC No. 15904820
>>15904814
>wearing a cap indoors
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:51:52 UTC No. 15904827
>>15904814
Estronaut finally dropped any pretense of not being paid Elon shill.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:52:57 UTC No. 15904830
>>15904800
>Rubenstein
Every FUCKING time.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:56:50 UTC No. 15904837
>>15904725
Typical Musk behaviour. Fail to get the ship to orbit but dont slow down the rapid timeline and do the prop transfer mission anyway
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:58:01 UTC No. 15904841
>>15903550
When are the results going to be announced anyways?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:01:27 UTC No. 15904845
>>15904841
two weeks
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:02:10 UTC No. 15904847
IT IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE THAT THEY WILL DO ORBITAL PROP TRANSFER IN IFT-3 SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AT NASA THAT THIS GOT OUT
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:02:27 UTC No. 15904849
>>15904841
Got to keep the grift going as long as possible. Trust the plan QI sisters!
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:03:56 UTC No. 15904851
How are they going to test it anyways?
They aren't going to launch two starships this early, that just doesn't make sense.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:04:59 UTC No. 15904853
>>15904827
meds
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:05:19 UTC No. 15904856
>>15904851
Thats the whole fucking thing its literally impossible right now so I think some moron at NASA wrote this meant for some other mission rather than IFT-3
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:06:00 UTC No. 15904857
>>15904837
it mostly worked, this makes sense
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:07:11 UTC No. 15904859
>>15904851
spray some lox out the side then slide over and scoop it back up
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:07:28 UTC No. 15904860
>>15904847
he can't keep getting away with it (mogging everyone else)
>>15904851
>>15904856
idk if you people are actually clinically retarded or just pretending, but you don't actually need to test a full tanker loading propellant from one to another to test a subsystem of the propellant transfer system
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:08:02 UTC No. 15904861
>>15904857
I guess apart from the sub nominal performance of the starship and then the rud
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:08:29 UTC No. 15904864
>>15904814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F
> The Everyday Astronaut on Competition and the Space Industry | Win-Win with Liv Boeree
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:08:55 UTC No. 15904865
>>15904860
Explain
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:10:35 UTC No. 15904867
>>15904372
yeah the only place Rockoons make sense is on venus
if you squint really hard and are willfully retarded Sea Launch counts
>>15904807
yeah, we can collect the things he's said about that conflict and disassemble them if you want
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:11:57 UTC No. 15904870
>>15904810
nice find
that seems to have the lunar landing demonstrations for Astrobotic and Inuitive Machines
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:13:01 UTC No. 15904872
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:14:08 UTC No. 15904874
>>15904872
>>15904865
see >>15904810 >>15904872
though it should be obvious that you can take tanks up there and just test transfer from one to another
why is this somehow difficult to understand?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:17:47 UTC No. 15904879
>>15904861
maybe this seems impossible/insane if you use thunderfoot as a source of your information, but the system mostly worked
staging worked, what superheavy does after that is irrelevant to Starship
Starship got most of the way to orbit but there was a propellant leak most likely which I guess is an easy fix
so all they have to do is fix the propellant leak and thats it, trying to test propellant transfer is not going to make the rest of the test any harder other than you have payload this time, but that doesn't matter
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:21:01 UTC No. 15904883
>>15904864
Who's the whore?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:23:09 UTC No. 15904886
>>15904883
read the title retard
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:24:11 UTC No. 15904889
>>15904883
She'd rob you blind in texas holdem
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:28:44 UTC No. 15904896
>>15904867
give me the most egregious bad example you can think of and the source of it as well
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:33:06 UTC No. 15904901
>>15904886
Am I suppose to know who liv is?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:34:25 UTC No. 15904904
>>15904901
google it
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:35:09 UTC No. 15904905
>>15904904
Shut up retard
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:38:07 UTC No. 15904912
>>15904905
do you want me to find you a tutorial?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:44:51 UTC No. 15904923
>>15904915
yummy but i prefer the hexagonal engine layout
Speaking of white starship, is that just a hls meme render or will the starships with 'thermal management and boiloff mitigation' actually all be white? im all for it
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:48:43 UTC No. 15904929
>>15904923
This is the most optimal engine layout.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:52:25 UTC No. 15904935
>>15903861
QI has pretty terrible upper limits on 'possibility'. the physics QI outlines sets us up for more of a 'star wars' universe rather than something interesting like taking control of reality / creating new realities
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:54:59 UTC No. 15904938
>>15904935
>the physics QI outlines sets us up for more of a 'star wars' universe rather than something interesting like taking control of reality / creating new realities
>bro we ONLY get star wars this is le bad
commit gensokyo necktie
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:58:23 UTC No. 15904944
>>15904915
ara araship
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 21:59:19 UTC No. 15904946
>>15904544
I both hate and love the shuttle ugh.
Sexy, complicated, mean flying machine
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:02:58 UTC No. 15904951
>>15904915
Many are predicting that Starship won’t be raw stainless steel after factory production begins. Thermal blankets / white paint might happen
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:08:55 UTC No. 15904958
>>15904951
does many mean you and your incel opinions?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:13:32 UTC No. 15904968
>>15904944
Go to hell
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:14:41 UTC No. 15904971
>>15904968
ur embarrassing
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:20:46 UTC No. 15904979
>>15904971
Bleed out Muskcuck
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:22:29 UTC No. 15904983
>>15904979
Musk is based
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:23:01 UTC No. 15904984
>>15904983
Musk is a pig just like you. Overhyped tranny enabler.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:24:16 UTC No. 15904985
>>15904958
It includes me, I guess—and btw, others aren’t involuntarily celibate just because you happen to be!
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:24:47 UTC No. 15904987
>>15904984
No he's based
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:27:21 UTC No. 15904991
>>15904938
yes it is 'le bad' because as soon as we hit star wars we're done, doomed to eternal stagnation in a boring universe
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:28:01 UTC No. 15904992
What does Musk know that we don't. Why does he want to get off Earth so bad?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:28:09 UTC No. 15904993
>>15904984
tranny enabler? what the fuck are you talking about
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:29:57 UTC No. 15904997
>>15904991
If QI works we can build machines that generate energy from nothing, which uncaps the universe's life span and our own. Also the tech you can get from infinite free energy generators is >>>>>>> star wars.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:31:17 UTC No. 15905002
>>15904992
He thinks settling space is cool and isn't willing to sit and wait for slow ass industry to maybe eventually get there.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:31:32 UTC No. 15905004
>>15904991
>expansion to multiple galaxies possible
>BROOOOO THAT'S SO BORING
This is why nobody takes physicists seriously.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:32:42 UTC No. 15905008
>>15904993
he has a tranny son and loves him dearly. DISGUSTING.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:33:19 UTC No. 15905009
>>15904883
grimes friend
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:34:57 UTC No. 15905012
>>15904992
>What does Musk know that we don't
Nothing
>Why does he want to get off Earth so bad?
Take a look around at the absolute state of this shithole cunt.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:34:59 UTC No. 15905013
>>15905008
lmao
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:36:47 UTC No. 15905016
>>15904366
Gone are the days when NASA used good cameras. Now we get webcam quality footage of Starship launches
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:38:05 UTC No. 15905017
>>15905016
Idk if your just taking the piss as a joke or purely retarded or whatever but these are completely different things
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:38:57 UTC No. 15905019
>>15904951
Why not? I am personally a stainless steel purist. Also the guys that said Starship would become Shuttle 2.0 were right.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:39:58 UTC No. 15905020
>>15905009
Wow I can save this to my pornography folder.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:40:46 UTC No. 15905022
>>15905009
Who are they? They have that wiry build that only a batshit psychopath could have.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:42:32 UTC No. 15905026
>>15905019
I’ve just been seeing a lot of people talk about it/argue back-and-forth about it. They could all be wrong, keep in mind. I love the raw stainless look. But Shuttle’s thermal blanket covering was sexy af
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:43:41 UTC No. 15905027
>>15905026
If they can somehow replace the tiles with the thermal blanket I'd like it.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:44:57 UTC No. 15905030
>>15905022
Why are you gay?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:44:57 UTC No. 15905031
>>15905026
>>15905019
NASA seems to think boiloff is a massive problem, thats one of the reasons for the 14-20 starship launches per lunar landing.
At this rate Mars starship will look very different from the present naked starship if it is to deal with boiloff
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:45:02 UTC No. 15905032
>>15905019
its nowhere near shuttle 2.0, absolutely retarded
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:47:04 UTC No. 15905036
>>15905009
lol, grimes have proportions of a teenage boy
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:47:28 UTC No. 15905037
>>15905036
kek
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:48:16 UTC No. 15905038
>>15905036
spend a lot of time looking at teenage boys, do you?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:50:20 UTC No. 15905043
>>15905038
I used to be teenage boy, you know?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:51:19 UTC No. 15905044
>>15905043
tranny.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:52:18 UTC No. 15905045
>>15905044
go back to /polgbt/
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:54:30 UTC No. 15905049
>>15905038
>>15905044
You’re delusional
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:54:56 UTC No. 15905050
>>15904659
The keyword here CLAIMED. If IVO had proven new physics as they claimed to have in collaboration with a small 5-man company in Virginia, they would publishing the results instead of launching something into LEO where nothing can be independently verified. A paper claiming new physics without experimental results is worthless. DARPA funding alone is worthless: they also funded EMDrive!
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:56:44 UTC No. 15905052
>>15905031
Why didn't sfg identify boiloff as a problem years ago? Can't they just turn the engine toward the sun n shiet?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:57:19 UTC No. 15905053
What is with this tranny slapfighting over not science related images. Talk about spaceflight fat retards
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:57:25 UTC No. 15905054
>>15904750
>the Habitable Worlds Observatory (next after Roman Space Telescope)
>planned launch is the 2040s
this is ridiculous
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:57:38 UTC No. 15905055
>>15905052
Because it's a problem that has been solved years ago by NASA.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 22:58:47 UTC No. 15905059
>>15905052
because its not a problem, its just not a priority for SpaceX right now
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:01:30 UTC No. 15905064
>>15905061
Not going to space ever as usual
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:02:39 UTC No. 15905065
>>15904725
They can't even keep the prop at the bottom of the tank during regular flights. It's over.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:03:43 UTC No. 15905066
>>15905050
You're ignoring how godawful slow the publication process is for reputable journals for papers that purport to overturn major theories. There's no benefit to publishing in Billy-Bob's Open-Access Journal of Bass Fishing and Astrophysics without doing flight tests because cocksmokers like you would be screaming "experimental error" regardless of how unambiguous the results are. Either the cubesat can raise its orbit 100km and change inclination or it can't. There's your proof.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:03:57 UTC No. 15905068
>>15905054
Launching same decade as one of my favorite astronomy missions LISA.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:11:01 UTC No. 15905078
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:12:48 UTC No. 15905082
>>15905078
Just two nerds having a good time.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:12:58 UTC No. 15905083
>>15904841
>>15904849
>tfw we become the Covenant in the 21st century
The four eyes fears the split jaw.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:19:24 UTC No. 15905090
is there any evidence that the optimus tesla bot is actually powered by AI and not just remote controlled?
Every time I say boston dynamics are ahead of Tesla I get all this copium about how teslabot actually has a brain
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:20:35 UTC No. 15905092
>>15905090
not anything you would accept, also off topic
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:21:00 UTC No. 15905093
>>15905090
And Boston Dynamics bots don't have a brain? I have a feeling the videos both companies release are staged in a way. They probably trained the robots for that exact action in the video or fine tuned it somehow.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:22:02 UTC No. 15905096
>>15905036
>>15905022
>Americans seeing thin women for the first time in their life
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:26:31 UTC No. 15905107
>>15905061
damn he turned pretty feminine fast
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:29:12 UTC No. 15905111
>>15904896
I just googled Elon Musk twitter ukraine and here's the first three results from his profile
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status
the whole post is kind of stupid because Ukraine will never stop fighting the rapist mongoloid horde as long as we feed them ammo but there's only one piece of real misinformation on this page: that nuclear war is a real possibility from the war in Ukraine for the simple reason that:
1. the launch vehicles don't work
2. even if the launch vehicles work, they won't survive Western ballistic missile defense
3. even if they survive western BMD their targeting information hasn't been updated since the mid 70s
4. even if they manage to hit something they're in great disrepair and will not function
5. however this is all moot because Russia will never fire the nukes because the men in power value their lives family and petty kingships more than some empty lie of Russian pride
as long as they never admit weakness they'll be fine even if they blatantly lie to their slave's faces and we all know it, so we boil the frog slowly
the only cost is Ukrainian lives, and I'm not sure if you know this but the lives of slavs have negative value
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:29:27 UTC No. 15905112
Zhuque-2 launch delayed to December 6
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:31:15 UTC No. 15905113
>>15905111
go the fuck back /k/tard
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:32:01 UTC No. 15905114
>>15905090
Boston Dynamics are defunct as far as I know
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:34:12 UTC No. 15905117
>>15905061
this kid's hair is almost as beautiful as mine
>>15905113
seethe zigger scum, just because I know things about violence you get triggered
I will be necessary in the long run
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:36:13 UTC No. 15905120
>>15905111
You forgot 6. all the top men in Russia have money, assets, and family in western countries and don't want to nuke their own stuff
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:36:48 UTC No. 15905121
>>15905117
>>15905111
Go back
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:36:48 UTC No. 15905122
>>15905090
the BD robot is not a marketable product.
nobody except robotics researchers has a use for experimental constantly breaking and leaking hydraulic robot without hands and very short battery life
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:36:55 UTC No. 15905123
>>15905114
Musk made a misstep not buying them, because even if their products were overcomplicated shit, he cold have poached all their best talent virtually for free, as well as their designs so he could see what works and doesnt work rather than reinventing the wheel
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:36:57 UTC No. 15905124
>>15905120
that's number 5
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:38:12 UTC No. 15905126
>>15905117
>I know things
>>15905111
>1. the launch vehicles don't work
>2. even if the launch vehicles work, they won't survive Western ballistic missile defense
>3. even if they survive western BMD their targeting information hasn't been updated since the mid 70s
>4. even if they manage to hit something they're in great disrepair and will not function
kek
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:39:02 UTC No. 15905127
>>15905122
SpaceX had a dog robot (one of those yellow ones) for inspecting landed falcons back when it was considered sketchy to do so by hand
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:41:17 UTC No. 15905131
>>15905123
BD has better talent in controls engineering exclusively which you don't even want to do at all for a useful robot.
it needs to be a neural network f(sensors) -> joint torques otherwise you lost the game already
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:42:13 UTC No. 15905132
>>15905123
reinventing the wheel is probably necessary, the Boston Dynamic humanoid robots are almost nothing like Optimus and have a completely different design philosophy (make some superhuman instead of a humanoid that is slow and weak but powerful enough to do simple tasks but for long times)
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:46:20 UTC No. 15905136
Lots of dumb posts about BD
BD is a research lab to demonstrate that robots can move well, it was started when robots could barely walk two steps without keeling over. All their videos are staged, explicitly, it's not a secret. Their robots are overengineered research products, not suited for mass production and probably can't even operate for more than a few minutes. They also don't have any AI and they never really intended to.
The only deviation from this is Spot, the robot dog. They wanted to generate revenue so they made a simpler concept with decent AI, but there's no indication that they're doing this with humanoid robots, though it's possible they're building one in secret
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:46:25 UTC No. 15905137
>wellniggers
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:48:34 UTC No. 15905139
>>15905090
>>15905093
They're scripted, but nobody ever said they weren't.
Despite what soys who've watched to much sci fi thing, robotics != AI, they're nearly completely unrelated other than the use of neural nets in vision (which is stretching the definition of AI).
That doesn't mean every movement is preprogrammed in, the robots get coarse instructions like "go to point x, pick up object y, go to point z) and plan the motion themselves based on sensor inputs, but it's not like an llm propmpt "hand me the box" kind of input. And it's not meant to be, if you want a robot you want to be able to program it to do exactly what you want and not have to have a conversation with it.
People complaining that boston dynamics robots are scripted would be like if a company showed off a new car and someone complained that there's a steering wheel. It's there because they want people to be able to drive it manually, even if there's a self-driving feature.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:48:46 UTC No. 15905140
>>15905061
>"him" in a couple of years
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:54:06 UTC No. 15905146
>>15905136
>>15905139
99% of "AI" is just lane assist anyways. It's the 1% that is impossible to program because the variables are vast and immense. You would essentially need general intelligence comparable to a fully developed human just to have something like a robot be able to walk a flight of stairs and go outside to get the mail.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:55:58 UTC No. 15905150
>>15905136
yeah this article pretty much covers the latest efforts with their Atlas robot
https://bostondynamics.com/blog/pic
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:58:14 UTC No. 15905155
>>15905146
A rat can walk a flight of stairs.
You need general intelligence comparable to a rat
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:59:30 UTC No. 15905156
>>15905146
This is really the death of any sort of self driving or robotic servant idea, these problems are AGI complete. If you want make a car drive by itself with zero assistance in any situation, you need to develop AGI. And if you're gonna develop AGI why are you doing it in this extremely constrained weird environment where it's entire input and output is a car?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:00:42 UTC No. 15905159
>>15905155
The gap between AI and the intelligence of a rat is an infinite abyss of a gap compared to the gap between a rat and a human.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:01:59 UTC No. 15905163
>>15905156
you need "baby" AGI according to Musk
and why do it there? Its useful but its also not going to be completely general
it might be part of what becomes complete AGI at some point though
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:02:57 UTC No. 15905166
>>15905163
>but its also not going to be completely general
so it's not AGI then
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:03:45 UTC No. 15905168
>>15905166
yep, you don't need something completely general for driving a car
it doesn't need to understand text, solve equations and so on
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:04:39 UTC No. 15905170
>>15905009
what was the picture?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:05:00 UTC No. 15905172
>>15905083
Man, nothing can compete with peak bungie era halo
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:05:18 UTC No. 15905174
>>15905159
An ant can walk a flight of stairs.
You need general intelligence comparable to an ant
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:05:35 UTC No. 15905175
>>15905170
grimes and liv boeree topless but censored
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:06:15 UTC No. 15905176
>>15905155
And a rat can barely speak English, and if you ask it to draw a picture of "absurdly voluptuous princesses peach and daisy playing volleyball while Waluigi watches from the bushes with binoculars" chances are it won't even make the attempt
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:06:32 UTC No. 15905177
>>15905168
>it doesn't need to understand text
nigger what are road signs
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:08:46 UTC No. 15905181
>>15905172
bungie did tralers like nobody else. the beleive trailers for 3, then the deliver hope trailer for reach. Better than movies
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:09:39 UTC No. 15905184
>>15905177
NTA
federally standardize all road signs
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:11:24 UTC No. 15905188
>>15905176
Ask an image generator ai to find cheese in a maze and it will just draw a picture of cheese because it has no clue what the fuck any of that means, it just generates images.
Saying an image generator is smarter than a rat cause it's better at generating images is like saying a car engine is smarter than a rat because it's better at generating torque. Both of these are unrelated to intelligence.
The past decade of AI development has been nothing but proofs that things we think require real intelligence actually require none.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:12:25 UTC No. 15905190
>>15905184
>the solution gets easier if you change the underlying problem
wow... so this is the power of ai
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:13:41 UTC No. 15905192
>>15905176
yeah the limiting factor is unironically not edge compute any more.
its how you train. neither driving nor being a human are well constrained enough like making images from prompts although driving is more so since you can get the data for whatever humans do when they drive a car from a fleet.
for humanoids you would either need to infer that from internet video or have a fleet of VR headset wearing good goys
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:14:22 UTC No. 15905193
>>15905188
I quite agree with you. I meant that what an AI does is nothing like intelligence at all, that a rat is obviously smarter than an AI. In spite of all the statistical gymnastics the AI does, it's still completely brainless.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:17:34 UTC No. 15905198
>>15905192
just make your factory workers wear training hardware
the idea is to use both videos to learn from and probably fine-tune that by humans somehow, not sure how its scalable but perhaps making the meat robots in Tesla factories wear shit like this could scale, just pay them more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiQ
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:22:58 UTC No. 15905205
>>15905184
your road signs aren't standardized???
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:23:27 UTC No. 15905207
>>15905198
Considering that over Teslas history it has done serious DE-automation to ramp production output and that those specialized arm robots werent up for the task in most cases, I think we are very far from replacing humans with humanoid robots, let alone the traditional arm robots.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:24:51 UTC No. 15905209
>>15905198
You can probably also somewhat reduce the amount of human data from transfer learning by just starting with the fully trained car network.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:30:02 UTC No. 15905216
>>15905197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJ
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:30:40 UTC No. 15905218
>>15905197
Starbase calls for aid!
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:32:05 UTC No. 15905222
>>15905216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guu
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:32:40 UTC No. 15905224
>>15905219
Would this count as a space station for as long as Dragon remained docked to it?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:34:06 UTC No. 15905229
>>15904536
boner
>>15904613
if they weren't they could onlyfans instead
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:35:59 UTC No. 15905232
>>15904872
Depot haha
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:40:18 UTC No. 15905244
>>15904079
>>15904084
The absolute state of Avio
they somehow look worse than Roscosmos and Boing
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:44:20 UTC No. 15905250
>>15905224
>antenna
>power supply
>docking port
looking good
>minimum space station contract of five kerbals
fail
>maintain stability for ten seconds
easy
>put station in orbit
yeah
I'm sorry but it legally doesn't have enough crew capacity to be a space station
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:45:21 UTC No. 15905251
>>15905224
>antenna
>power supply
>docking port
looking good
>minimum space station contract of five kerbals
fail
>maintain stability for ten seconds
easy
>put station in orbit
yeah
I'm sorry but it legally doesn't have enough crew capacity to be a space station
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:55:53 UTC No. 15905269
What Do We Know About The X-37B and Sunday’s Launch?
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https://floridamedianow.com/2023/12
> It’s no secret in the spaceflight community that a secret mission is scheduled to launch from Kennedy Space Center’s Pad 39A on Sunday.
>What is speculative, however, is the exact time of the launch, which still has not been officially released. But that’s not uncommon for this type of launch.
>The upcoming USSF-52 mission is for the United States Space Force. A SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket will carry the Department of Defense’s X-37-B Orbital Test Vehicle back to orbit for a seventh orbital mission. The X-37B is an uncrewed military space plane which is renowned for carrying “classified” payloads into space. The Space Force is partnering with the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office on this particular mission. No one really knows the exact purpose of the mission or how long it will last because…you guessed it…it’s a secret!
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:56:55 UTC No. 15905271
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:01:14 UTC No. 15905281
>>15905269
>The Space Force is partnering with the Air Force
they are testing ayy tech
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:04:49 UTC No. 15905288
>>15904079
What happens in Vega didn’t stay in Vega, as key rocket parts went missing
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/
> The Italy-based aerospace company Avio has not had the best of luck with its Vega rocket, which has always been something of an odd duck in the launch industry. Now, as the rocket nears its final launch, it's missing some critical components.
> The European Spaceflight newsletter reports that two of the four propellant tanks on the fourth stage of the Vega rocket—the upper stage, which is powered by dimethylhydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide fuel—went missing earlier this year.
>Now, it seems that the propellant tanks have been found. However, the newsletter says, the tanks were recovered in a dismal state, crushed, alongside metal scraps in a landfill. Someone, apparently, had trashed the tanks. This is a rather big problem for Avio, as this was to be the final Vega rocket launched, and the production lines are now closed for this hardware.
> This Vega rocket is due to launch the 1,250-kg BIOMASS satellite for the European Space Agency, a mission that will employ a P-band synthetic aperture radar to assess the health of forests on Earth and determine how they are changing. The satellite is valued at more than $200 million.
> One big problem for Vega is its price. While the vehicle's marketer, Arianespace, does not publicly publish prices, a Vega launch costs approximately $35 million to $40 million. This was barely competitive a decade ago when the vehicle debuted. Now it's out-of-bounds with a new generation of small launch companies that offer lower prices, or the more reliable Falcon 9, which only costs about 50 percent more for much more lift capacity.
> Another challenge has been reliability. The Vega rocket had suffered two failures in its last seven launches and has a lifetime failure rate of 10 percent across 21 launches.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:05:51 UTC No. 15905291
>>15905288
> So what will Avio do? According to European Spaceflight, officials are working on two options. The first involves using old propellant tanks that were built for qualification tests of the Avio rocket more than a decade ago. There are four such tanks, and the company could subject two of them to re-qualification tests and, if those tests go well, employ the other two tanks for the launch. Understandably, engineers have some concerns about the integrity of these tanks, which in addition to their age were never meant to fly.
>Another option is to modify the upper stage that is used by the Vega C rocket. While there are some commonalities between the Vega and Vega C upper stages, there are differences, and the new AVUM+ upper stage was not intended to fly on the original Vega rocket. It remains to be seen whether the European Space Agency is willing to support the launch of its valuable satellite on such a kludged-together rocket.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:06:33 UTC No. 15905293
what’s the qrd on this smartereveryday video? Did destin shittalk Starship or something? Or did he make SLS look really cool.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:07:00 UTC No. 15905295
>>15905288
>>15905291
article spammer once again fails to read the fucking thread
classic
fuck off forever please
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:07:54 UTC No. 15905297
Industry report: Demand for satellites is rising but not skyrocketing
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https://spacenews.com/industry-repo
> WASHINGTON — A new report predicts that around 20,000 new satellites will launch by the end of the decade — a more conservative forecast compared to other sky-high projections.
> Quilty Space, a research and consulting firm, says there are “positive indicators for sustained growth within the space industrial base, particularly given continuing momentum in the low Earth orbit broadband mega-constellation markets that make up about 85% of all satellite demand in Western markets.”
> However, “financing headwinds are expected to cause some dampening of near-term demand from earlier-stage entities.”
> If all the missions planned by 350 commercial and government constellations analyzed by Quilty reached orbit, a whopping 478,000 total satellites would be in space by 2030.
>By assigning a probability weighting, Quilty estimated that about 20,000 satellites are likely to make it to orbit.
> By comparison, other organizations have forecast much larger numbers. The Government Accountability Office in a report last year projected about 58,000 satellites would be launched by 2030. Euroconsult anticipates about 1,700 satellites to be launched on average per year by 2030.
> By far the heaviest driver of new demand is SpaceX and its Starlink broadband constellation, said the Quilty report, estimating that SpaceX has launched more than 5,400 satellites as of November.
>Satellite demand also is fueled by government constellations like the U.S. Space Force’s Space Development Agency Proliferated Warfighter Space Architecture and Europe’s IRIS2.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:08:28 UTC No. 15905300
>>15905293
turns out he's gay
he sucks Ballast Bill's dick live on stage at Johnson
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:09:23 UTC No. 15905302
>>15905295
I read it, this is another article by berger with background information about vega
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:12:51 UTC No. 15905304
>>15905295
you also seemed to fail to read the post as it clearly replies to the first time it was mentioned, why do you have a problem with that?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:14:40 UTC No. 15905308
>>15905295
Lmfao shut up fag. Article spammer now does what I used to do; only I took into account the fact that everyone here has a shirt attention span (see >>15905293)
But I shortened my news posts on my own accord, as a pro bono decision so lazy people here would be more willing to read my post. Just because you’re too retarded to understand context/text isn’t news posters fault. It’s yours
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:15:51 UTC No. 15905311
>>15905269
geosat interceptor
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:16:02 UTC No. 15905313
>>15905304
just link the goddamn article and put a quip, if we want to go read it we will
>>15905308
yeah you're based, I love you, have a Cirno
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:17:10 UTC No. 15905318
>>15905297
>only 2000 sats a year
somehow that doesnt sound right. starlink proved how valuable it is for the military, so expect half a dozen countries launching their own version of it.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:23:21 UTC No. 15905329
>>15905269
A chinese spysat is going to mysteriously explode after the X-37 disppears from radar for a few minutes
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:26:14 UTC No. 15905332
>>15902644
>muh heckin hubble
holy oldspace nostalgia autism. what's so special about it? isn't it a basic bitch sat except for a tube with a couple mirrors? it ain't jwst. why not build a new cheap telescope and launch on a falcon? there is no way this will be more expensive than an autistic servicing mission for a flawed and failing 1970s spy sat leftover.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:34:59 UTC No. 15905346
>>15905332
on a second thought if nasa wants to pay for spacex eva development, that's great. fuck the nasa budget it would get wasted anyway. fuck the astroonomers.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:39:13 UTC No. 15905352
>>15902644
It should be reboosted for the sole purpose of eventually bringing it back to Earth to place in a museum. Anything less (or more) is a waste
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:49:05 UTC No. 15905364
>>15905061
still being male
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:51:58 UTC No. 15905368
>>15904370
disgusting
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:54:41 UTC No. 15905372
>>15904547
t. kurzgesagt
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:04:15 UTC No. 15905378
>>15905318
>expect half a dozen countries launching their own version of it
on what rockets lmao?
>>15905297
I'd be interested to see what are the already planned/scheduled/paid missions for Starship? Obviously Starlink, HLS, Dearmoon and Polaris, but are there any other contracts for Starship?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:12:55 UTC No. 15905386
>>15904830
but also (((zach))) (((weiner)))
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:14:38 UTC No. 15905388
>>15905313
fuck you
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:15:30 UTC No. 15905389
>>15905388
come do it yourself bitch
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:16:39 UTC No. 15905392
>>15905388
you need to apologize
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:18:40 UTC No. 15905394
>>15905392
I will stop posting articles for a week every time I see a cirno or anime pic from now on
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:22:12 UTC No. 15905399
>>15902652
He's 100% right but you fags don't want to face it. Starting with how Orion is inadequate and the uncertainty of Spaceship to integrate into Artemis
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:25:41 UTC No. 15905402
>>15905378
there was a contract for a billionaire and his woman but I think that dude died or something
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:27:47 UTC No. 15905404
>>15905394
mission accomplished
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:28:55 UTC No. 15905407
>>15905399
>Spaceship
where ever you came from, you're going back.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:30:25 UTC No. 15905411
>>15905404
yes
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:49:56 UTC No. 15905425
>>15904544
>huge wings protruding, very disrespectful
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:50:43 UTC No. 15905427
>>15905407
>no arguments
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:51:06 UTC No. 15905429
>>15905399
>Starting with how Orion is inadequate
Yeah but almost everybody in this general ignored his remarks about Orion because we're too busy being annoyed with him criticizing Starship
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:58:02 UTC No. 15905436
>>15904915
is this modded ksp or a custom render?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:01:27 UTC No. 15905437
>>15905429
Please explain how his criticism is invalid. Especially the cryotransfer and the number of launches needed to fuel it. Note that this has zero to do with Starship itself as its own rocket, but how this integrates into the Artemis system.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:02:52 UTC No. 15905439
>>15905437
his numbers are bad
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:06:46 UTC No. 15905443
>>15905437
I didn't say it was.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:07:16 UTC No. 15905444
>>15905437
>Note that this has zero to do with Starship itself as its own rocket, but how this integrates into the Artemis system.
Nonsensical. Starship itself as a rocket is dependent on cryotransfer and high number of launches.
That is the intention of the design and why its such a good deal for spacey for nasa to help with it.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:10:35 UTC No. 15905446
>>15905444
Except NASA brass doesn't want to help Starship, they want to make Artemis reliant on Starship then have the Biden administration obstruct Starship to get themselves off the hook for Artemis's inevitable failure. It's a scapegoat plot.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:13:31 UTC No. 15905449
>>15905446
youre such a fag. >>>/pol/
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:15:32 UTC No. 15905451
>>15905449
You niggers were warned about Biden and the warnings came true.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:16:29 UTC No. 15905452
>>15905444
>Starship itself as a rocket is dependent on cryotransfer and high number of launches.
As it's own system yes, but until it works it's a major source of uncertainty as a part of Artemis
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:21:30 UTC No. 15905455
>>15905446
based
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:23:14 UTC No. 15905459
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:24:39 UTC No. 15905463
>>15905446
it's not their primary goal but its in the back of everyones minds.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:33:54 UTC No. 15905467
For decades we were told that the universe could not hold all three of locally-real causality, relativity, and FTL travel. Recent Bell tests permakilled local realism, and if the QI thruster works, it is either disproof of general relativity, and thus opens up a path to jumpdrive FTL; if QI isn't real the characteristic "falling forward" motion of the drive means it is a ringless Alcubierre geometry, a Star Trek style warp nacelle.
Checkmate, you fucking nerds. We're going to the stars.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:40:43 UTC No. 15905473
have you newfags forgot about the spacex problem?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:43:52 UTC No. 15905477
>>15904754
>Done twice a week, perfectly, for over a year
>TRL-3
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:48:31 UTC No. 15905481
>>15905467
I want this to be real so bad
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:50:03 UTC No. 15905482
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:57:07 UTC No. 15905492
>>15905481
Well the Bell tests bit is indisputably true, it won a Nobel Prize in 2022.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 03:58:39 UTC No. 15905493
>>15905467
lmao
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 04:02:52 UTC No. 15905494
>>15905477
It's TRL-3 on Mars.
It's kind of hilarious they make that distinction though.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 04:04:48 UTC No. 15905497
>>15905477
Wait, what committee is Hans on? Is SpaceX infiltrating NASA?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 04:05:44 UTC No. 15905498
>>15905494
but won't it be easier on mars?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 04:44:39 UTC No. 15905522
>>15905498
Potentially yes. I imagine with a few million bucks, a Marslike wind tunnel and the right experiment you could bump it up to TRL 6.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 04:47:35 UTC No. 15905526
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 05:25:59 UTC No. 15905565
>>15904090
The tanks are irrelevant, but the engines are worth a gold mine on the blackmarket.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 05:43:21 UTC No. 15905577
>>15904802
Someone who isn't immune to your propaganda isn't subject to propaganda. Unless ofcourse they're living in a country that subjects them to that propaganda.
So the problem isn't he's under propaganda, the problem is you're under extreme propaganda and anything that doesn't fit the proapaganda is seen as "propaganda" while your own is seen as "not propaganda." Thats your problem. We know ever facet of media/politicial powers/institutional powers/non profits/for profits/etc all swalloed the propaganda, enforced it, and threatened others for not swallowing the propaganda.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 05:52:16 UTC No. 15905587
>>15905577
bro fucking tell me "the Russians don't have working nukes" is part of the spew from the western media
I came to that conclusion on my own
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 06:05:39 UTC No. 15905599
>>15905587
>I came to that conclusion on my own
Based off of assumptions put out there by media propaganda.
The only thing we know is some level of Russian incompetency + no use nukes, yet. You could argue that Russians are monkeys and they dont know anything, but thats just your own ignorance at play. The best we can get is, for all we know it could be they're using threats of nukes as a leverage as much as they can and the western media is trying to downplay it because our policy is to push for more war aids towards Ukraine. If threats of nukes loom in the heads of people, our foreign policy suffers. This is a war of propaganda.
Your "own" conclusions mean shit.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 06:06:48 UTC No. 15905601
>>15905599
bro the Russian media outlets scream about nukes every chance they get
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 06:19:34 UTC No. 15905618
>>15905601
>our propaganda before their propaganda
nonsensical conclusion.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 06:21:34 UTC No. 15905620
>>15905111
>the launch vehicles don't work
didn't the churka mongols attempt to do several ICBM tests during the war which all failed miserably?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 06:23:39 UTC No. 15905622
>>15905620
haha yeah
we also have first hand reports from immediately after the fall of the state of the launch mounts (all rusted solid, unmaintained since the early 80s)
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 08:46:43 UTC No. 15905763
>>15905176
>And a rat can barely speak English
You know rats who can speak English?