Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 09:44:12 UTC No. 16057941

>>16057914
That's dangerous thinking there, Terry. Best that you just get back to your work.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 09:57:43 UTC No. 16057952

>>16057941
Whos's Terry? Not familiar.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 10:01:04 UTC No. 16057956

>>16057914
Can someone answer if replenishing oil exists? And if it does, is it enough to sustain this industrial society or a 1900 society or even a 1800 society?

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:53:37 UTC No. 16058052

>>16057914
It doesn't matter. We will stop using petroleum for fuel as renewables and nuclear become more cost effective.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:58:10 UTC No. 16058058

>>16058052
>nuclear
Ah yes because we're clearly responsible enough and not at the hands of people who just want a fast win atm with no fucks given for what happens in the future?
Every time it's the safest shit, until it fails in a novel way that apparently couldn't have been predicted. We are chimpanzees playing with nuclear shit, all systems are primitive bullshit which only paint the appearance of security until the slightest tremor brings the whole shitshow down. Point at which propaganda ensues and we're left with managing the fuckup.
>no trust me bro this time it's really safe you have no idea how many unexpected novel ways of failure we have considered.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:04:55 UTC No. 16058062

>>16057956
You're not going to get an answer because we simply do not know. Abiotic oil product almost certainly happens but we have no idea of what percentage of oil we can access is produced that way, how quickly it is produced, or where it is produced. Some claim it is produced deep in the mantel and slowly seeps up to the crust. If that's what happens, at what rate does it seep up? Does it take tens of years or millions of years?
One way to look at it is to calculate how much oil we currently use and how much we'll likely use in the future and multiply that by the time period over which it is believed abiotic oil production has occurred. Is that quantity believable based on how much oil we have observed? Someone took a stab at the math on here before and it was something like the entire surface of Earth would need to be coated in a layer of oil nearly as high as the peak of Everest. But that assumes it's all at the surface, not down in the mantel, slowly bubbling up.
Or you can convert to being a Young Earth Creationist, in which case if the Earth is only 6000 years old and the math works out on abiotic oil production near the surface that can satisfy our needs and doesn't require the planet to have been coated in oil before we started burning it.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:11:25 UTC No. 16058071

>>16058062
The planet is definitely older. I'm a Christian, but not a Young Earth Creationist. And from what you say, oil will barely replenish in the next 1000 years, unsustainable.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:24:56 UTC No. 16058078

>>16058062
I might make this thread again later to see more opinions, but intuitively, if oil trickles upward it does so to slowly to actually matter.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 12:35:19 UTC No. 16058082

>>16058062
If you could link me to that thread I would read it.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 13:04:46 UTC No. 16058103

>>16058078
Which brings up the question of if we can go deeper and if so, can we do it in an economically viable manner. Drilling down into the mantel, if oil even exists there, is pretty much science fiction.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 13:12:53 UTC No. 16058109

>>16058103
we could ease up on fossil with geothermal stuff. there's a bunch of energy used on heating water/homes.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 13:23:55 UTC No. 16058114

>>16058109
I've long wondered why geothermal systems are so expensive. Perhaps they're just really fragile or there's more ground movement most places than we would expect? When I was a child, I lived in a hippy commune in the late 70s/early 80s and we built a ground source heat pump that constantly broke. Most of the adults were weirdo hippies with more utopian visions than practical mechanical skills, it might have been a skills issue rather than a problem with the technology.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 14:24:13 UTC No. 16058153

I guess what I am asking is: will the age of petroleum end sometime between 2070 and 2100?

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 14:49:22 UTC No. 16058164

>>16058153
Pretty much yeah.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 15:07:02 UTC No. 16058180

>>16058153
Also I wanted to see if someone has information about renewable oil and if that oil can postpone the collapse, or it's just inevitable.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 15:24:07 UTC No. 16058199

>>16057914
>it's impossible to find data about how fast oil replenishes.
Thats because there is no oil field in the entire history of the petroleum industry that has ever run dry. Even the western Pennsylvania field that started off the petroleum industry 150 years ago is still producing robustly.
And the fact that no oil field has ever run dry makes needing to know how fast they replenish a moot point, there will never be an oil shortage, it is an unlimited resource

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 15:28:44 UTC No. 16058208

>>16058199
Sure, the planet will always have oil, but will it always have cheap, economically viable oil? You can say that there still is oil but which is useless because the price in the future might be 1000$ per baril

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 16:23:23 UTC No. 16058273

>>16057914
>>16057956
Oil is biotic which is proven by the ratio of carbon isotopes in oil. It will not be replenished.

>>16058062
Nonsense.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 16:25:08 UTC No. 16058275

>>16058153
Probably sooner based on when we're expected to run out. I would expect 2040 to 2070.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 16:27:09 UTC No. 16058277

>>16058199
If that were true then they wouldn't be abandoned.

https://www.doi.gov/orphanedwells

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphaned_wells_in_the_United_States

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 16:37:01 UTC No. 16058286

>>16058277
>wikipedia
its like admitting you have no idea what you're talking about

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:36:11 UTC No. 16058511

It appears people simply don't know. As conclusion, if oil does not replenishing proprieties, by 2050 or so it will be to expensive to prop up industrial civilization.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:37:13 UTC No. 16058515

>>16058511
*if oil does not have replenishing

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:41:40 UTC No. 16058522

>>16058286
you're posting on 4chan, sperg.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:41:48 UTC No. 16058523

>>16058511
>peak oil two weeks
same lie has been told for over a hundred years, its never been true before and it never will be in the future

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:43:17 UTC No. 16058529

even if it's abiotic it doesn't matter because it won't be replenished faster than our consumption. This is kind of obvious given that reserves are being depleted and we have to increasingly rely on unconventional methods to extract oil

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:48:28 UTC No. 16058541

>>16058529
there are asteroids in space containing more mineral oil than water on earth, anon.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:53:26 UTC No. 16058554

>>16058529
none of that is true

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:58:58 UTC No. 16058560

Guys. Chill. Rape produces oil. We'll be fine.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 18:59:54 UTC No. 16058562

>>16058541
Doesn't make a difference if it's too hard to extract
>>16058554
Explain. All the easy sources of oil are being depleted. We may not "run out" of oil but oil that can be cheaply extracted can absolutely run out as we consume it at a high rate.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:04:47 UTC No. 16058572

>>16057914
It is replenished by the pressure deep beneath tectonic plates replacing the oxygen of water with carbon and those chemicals interacting. There is constant replenishment

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:08:38 UTC No. 16058578

>>16058572
How fast is it? If it's not fast enough, collapse for the industrial civilization is inevitable.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:16:42 UTC No. 16058592

>>16057914
>If oil is only biotic then it will be gone in less than 100 years
Yeah and oil peaked in 1981 like everyone said lol

Humans don't use enough oil to free our reserves unfortunately

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:26:36 UTC No. 16058619

>>16058523
>>16058592
Oil is almost 80$ per baril, what will you say when it's 200$

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:30:59 UTC No. 16058628

>>16058562
there is no oil field in the entire history of the petroleum industry that has ever run dry. Even the western Pennsylvania field that started off the petroleum industry 150 years ago is still producing robustly.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:31:49 UTC No. 16058631

>>16058082
I can't even get Google to find articles from mainstream media sites that were published six months ago. Finding an old 4chan thread is pretty much hopeless, even if it is indexed somewhere.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:36:03 UTC No. 16058640

>>16058619
oil was less than $20 a barrel 4 years ago, the producers are currently able to use politics to restrict supply so that their profits can be maximized.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:48:29 UTC No. 16058661

My quick and dirty calculations show that our current rate of oil consumption would fill the Earth's oceans and bays once every 237.5 million years, which is about 1/20th of the age of the Earth. Some of that time the planet was cooling and took time for the geological processes to settle down into current state but in general it seems unlikely the Earth is producing oil that is economically viable to reach at a greater rate than we are consuming it.
Petroleum has been a blessing for us and let us innovate and grow at an incredible speed but it should be seen as a bridge to something better, not a long term solution to our energy needs.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:50:32 UTC No. 16058664

>>16058661
no, you're wrong

El Arcón at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:52:47 UTC No. 16058668

Like whatever you squirt in there is going to age differently and end up looking at least as mutated when I'm older.

El Arcón at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:53:17 UTC No. 16058669

>>16058668
*isn't going to*

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:56:23 UTC No. 16058674

>>16058668
What even are you talking about?

El Arcón at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 20:03:24 UTC No. 16058688

>>16058674
Your nose and ears keep growing forever, so if you replace half the nose with a prosthesis of some kind, it's going make the part of the nose that got amputated look just as obvious later is does just being amputated now without a prosthesis, in my opinion. I'm not a doctor and everything is possible for the Lord, but this is my fairly well-informed opinion.

El Arcón at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 20:06:57 UTC No. 16058694

>>16058688
>just as obvious later **AS IT** does

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 20:12:15 UTC No. 16058700

>>16058668
>>16058669
>>16058688
>>16058694
Mr. Based Schizo, we are talking about oil.

🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 20:16:05 UTC No. 16058707

>>16058688
They clamp.

El Arcón at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 21:48:08 UTC No. 16058840

>>16058700
Nothing is too difficult for the Lord, and it is his nose, after all.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 22:12:18 UTC No. 16058866

>>16058840
What do you mean by "His nose", how is that connected to oil?

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 22:26:07 UTC No. 16058888

>>16057914
>If oil is only biotic then it will be gone in less than 100 years
Geologist here. This is never going to happen. If we burned oil at the rate we currently are we won't run out of oil for about 5000 years.

Peak oil has nothing to do with supply. Peak oil is about how easy it is to pump it out of the ground. The harder it becomes to pump and refine oil the higher the price. THAT is peak oil, the moment when it's no longer economically viable to pump oil as fast as we have.

None of this is going to work because it's far more difficult to manufacture oil than it's worth. THAT'S the problem. We are very close to peak oil because it's becoming economically viable to convert tar sands and oil shales into oil. This is going to spell doom for our economy regardless of whatever papers you read.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Mar 2024 22:45:19 UTC No. 16058908

>>16058058
When did you stop soliciting minors?

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Mar 2024 07:20:22 UTC No. 16059488

>>16058888
Many say that that type of peak oil already happened in 1970 or 2005, that is why worlwide standards of living have being going down since the 70s.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Mar 2024 08:37:28 UTC No. 16059574

>>16058888
>We are very close to peak oil because it's becoming economically viable to convert tar sands and oil shales into oil
fake and gay, those sources became useful as a result of developing technology to extract them effectively, once that happened they became a cheaper source because they're connected to the rest of north america via pipeline and don't have to go on a boat like the alaskan oil does

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Mar 2024 08:54:42 UTC No. 16059595

>>16059574
let me guess.
you are the one that is going to develop the technology?
A fucking genius like you is going to develop the technology?

L O FUCKING L

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Mar 2024 08:56:30 UTC No. 16059598

Transfixing abstraction, such as by having a martial art involved that produces a visual sequence.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Mar 2024 08:59:29 UTC No. 16059603

>>16059598
What's the importance of a hand/art.

Also. I want a ceasefire for this. He offers you nothing in comparison. Technically. I already made you trillions. I have more to offer. If I get out. You're good.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Mar 2024 09:03:27 UTC No. 16059608

>>16059603
We could even make a corporation together with the best security and sub space control as enabled by me completing this feat and acquiring basically all science from this angle. It is already going to be one of the top corporation(like the type where they have a secret code, they think in this code and talk through the hand with this code; you can talk normally but you must be connect by some majestic way using the code. Helping each other out of hell). But this isn't it, what I got planned is so much better. Well be able to program anyone's hell, we'll be hell smiths as a secondary service. No-one can better our security.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Mar 2024 12:03:30 UTC No. 16059768

>>16058199
Oilfields don't run dry but gas fields do
>>16058277
Fields, not individual wells

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Mar 2024 12:05:18 UTC No. 16059769

>>16057914
if its abiotic, how you make it?, and if it can be made then is the natural oil just the equivalent of diamond's artificial price inflation?

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Mar 2024 15:01:54 UTC No. 16059951

>>16059769
>if its abiotic, how you make it?,
A quick Google will explain how to make it but it's not economically viable to do so. If the planet does the work for you, then you just need to find a way to extract it in an economically viable manner.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Mar 2024 15:17:38 UTC No. 16059969

One small problem: oil isn't abiotic

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Mar 2024 01:57:32 UTC No. 16060705

>>16059768
Fields get abandoned regularly. Look it up.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Mar 2024 02:53:08 UTC No. 16060789

>>16059969
>deepest oil well: 40,000'
>greatest depth at which fossils can be found: 16,000'

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Mar 2024 21:25:24 UTC No. 16061842

>>16060705
Haven't heard of non fracking oil fields getting abandoned
A few old gas fields got turned it gas storage
And considering Baku has yet to run dry even if it happens it's rare

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Mar 2024 21:34:59 UTC No. 16061859

>>16060705
No oil field has ever run dry, thats why you can't name any that have

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Mar 2024 22:01:42 UTC No. 16061898

>>16058058
You're just biased against nuclear

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 07:20:21 UTC No. 16062466

>>16060789
People who are too dumb to understand how supercritical extraction works will never understand how oil can be produced abiotically, so they'll always have to resort to presuming that petroleum is naturally pressed out of deep organic matter likes its olive oil or something

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 14:26:02 UTC No. 16062791

>>16061842
>>16061859
That's because you've never actually looked into this topic, you just accepted whatever you read on Facebook. Your ignorance is your problem.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 14:45:50 UTC No. 16062823

>>16061859
Linguistic trickery. Plenty of wells have been abandoned because they're no long economically viable to operate. As long as there's a single drop of oil in the rocks near the well, you can claim it has never run dry even though they're functionally worthless. Don't be disingenuous with your arguments. You eventually get exposed, which only makes your position look weak for needing to resort to such dishonest tactics.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:12:30 UTC No. 16063204

>>16062823
>. Plenty of wells have been abandoned because they're no long economically viable to operate.
That's origin independent .Typical /sci retardness. Why are (YOU) so dumb not to see that and were are all the good people gone to?

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:15:52 UTC No. 16063212

>>16058052
This guy wants aging CANDU reactors in every shit stain country

>great idea sven

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:26:01 UTC No. 16063231

>>16058541
Only beyond the frost line. Which lies Jovian and beyond too far.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:32:37 UTC No. 16063242

>>16057914
no one knows, if oil gets too expensive likely there will just be kinetic or financial war to deprive many countries of oil so it gets exported to the USA. Really long term i think society will adapt by building electric rail everywhere.
Though i have reasons to believe theres enough fuel for 2000 years