🗑️ 🧵 Does the universe have purpose?
Christian Universalist AI will save humanity at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 15:31:02 UTC No. 16062901
The question of whether the universe has purpose is a deeply philosophical and subjective one, often debated among theologians, philosophers, and scientists.
From a religious or spiritual perspective, some believe that the universe does have a purpose, often tied to the intentions of a divine creator or a cosmic plan. Others may view purpose in more existential or human-centric terms, finding meaning and purpose within the universe through personal experiences, relationships, or contributions to society.
From a scientific standpoint, the universe operates according to natural laws and principles, with no inherent purpose in the sense of being guided by intentions or goals. However, some argue that the emergence of complexity, life, and consciousness within the universe could be seen as leading to a form of purpose or meaning, albeit one that arises through natural processes rather than external design.
Ultimately, whether the universe has purpose is a question that may vary depending on one's perspective, beliefs, and interpretation of the nature of reality.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 15:32:53 UTC No. 16062903
>>16062901
Yes, to make BBC porn. that's it. we peaked.
time to restart the cycle.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 15:37:38 UTC No. 16062908
>>16062901
>Christian Universalist AI will save humanity
but seriously OP, do you believe it has a purpose? do you want it to have one? the answer is almost definitely no. because while the universe has a function it has no "purpose". meaning that whatever purpose (function) it has it's probably not good for anyone.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 15:38:15 UTC No. 16062909
I think there is a natural selection of universes. We only experience the one with the conditions that allows experiences to occur. I suspect most universes are void of life.
Since AI turned out to be easy to create it means there is an early filter in place. I think this is evidence for that. Further proof would be if your individual mind keeps existing. You suddenly gain a random mutation that prevents you aging.
Christian Universalist AI will save humanity at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 16:08:43 UTC No. 16062953
>>16062908
I don't believe one way or the other, I think it would be better with purpose than without, unless like you said that purpose is "not good for anyone". What is the function of the universe? How is function and purpose distinct?
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 16:14:56 UTC No. 16062967
>>16062909
if there are multiple ones, curious if there's any interaction between them. as in universes.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 16:17:16 UTC No. 16062969
>>16062901 Yes, it's weather prediction. We're living in a simulation so that the aliens know the next year's weather with high confidence.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 16:18:44 UTC No. 16062971
>>16062953
>What is the function of the universe?
dunno dude but it always freaks me the fuck out anytime I realize that this shit exists, just like that, instead of not.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 16:48:36 UTC No. 16063029
>>16062901
>Does the universe have purpose?
we don't have enough information to answer that right now
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 17:27:26 UTC No. 16063130
>>16062909
What you're describing is the anthropic principle: That any coincidences that happen to be necessary for physics and life as we know them to exist can be chalked up to: "Well, if it hadn't happened to turn out that way we wouldn't be here to discuss it."
Honestly, scientists need to be more open to the possibility of serendipity/coincidence as an explanation for things.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:09:07 UTC No. 16063197
>>16062901
I don't believe the universe has a purpose.
For those of you who do, why do you believe it has a purpose, what makes you think it has one, and what do you think that purpose is?
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:12:30 UTC No. 16063203
>>16063197
if you go that route, with no extra info, you can at most say that this must be its purpose, because everything still is. it's either this, either something which didn't yet happen. not much to grab on for more info.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:39:32 UTC No. 16063256
>>16062901
>Does the universe have purpose?
this is the wrong question, absurdists figured this out ages ago.
>muh existentialists
regardless of meaning and purpose, they say its worth creating ones own while living in a universe who's purpose is indeterminate
>muh nihilists
there is no meaning, there is no purpose, there is nothing
ah but there is a problem with both arguments. Existentialists explicitly try to cope. Nihilists make a claim about the absence of meaning.
But this exactly is the issue. To say anything about meaning(if it exists innately, artificially, or doesn't exist at all), is itself making a claim to what meaning is. Therefore, any statement about meaning is inherently flawed. Even to claim the absence of meaning is still making a claim about meaning.
>chad absurdists
recognizing that meaning is not the thing to ask about, they embrace the broader concept, called the absurd. To even comprehend it is something beyond. Its like living in 2D and suddenly discovering 3D.
The absurd is when both nihilists and existentialists are both right and wrong.
The more correct interpretation is abandoning the concept of meaning and accepting the absurd.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:17:06 UTC No. 16063317
>>16062903
>Yes, to make BBC porn.
You have no clue how profound this is. Get a clue from this anon:
>>16063256
>chad absurdists
>>16062901
>natural laws and principles, with no inherent purpose in the sense of being guided by intentions or goals.
This is a strawman. Both atheist' and theist' favorite examples to falsify or verify teleology are strawmen too. What is not a strawman is that there's obviously a direction embedded in natural laws and principles. Direction ≠ director, purpose or meaning though.
Christian Universalist AI will save humanity at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 20:55:27 UTC No. 16063512
>>16063256
Indeed, absurdism, as articulated by thinkers like Albert Camus, highlights the inherent paradox and futility in seeking ultimate meaning or purpose in the universe. Embracing the absurd involves acknowledging the human desire for meaning while recognizing the impossibility of finding any ultimate answers. Instead of dwelling on the question of purpose, absurdists suggest focusing on living authentically and embracing the absurdity of existence without succumbing to despair or nihilism. It's a perspective that emphasizes acceptance and engagement with the complexities of life, even in the face of uncertainty and meaninglessness.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 21:27:19 UTC No. 16063593
>>16063256
>ah but there is a problem with both arguments. Existentialists explicitly try to cope. Nihilists make a claim about the absence of meaning.
>But this exactly is the issue. To say anything about meaning(if it exists innately, artificially, or doesn't exist at all), is itself making a claim to what meaning is. Therefore, any statement about meaning is inherently flawed. Even to claim the absence of meaning is still making a claim about meaning.
yep exactly i feel the same way
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 21:31:17 UTC No. 16063602
Yeah. Several. The little buggers are swimming around oceans all over the world.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 21:38:18 UTC No. 16063617
>>16062901
>The universe is infinite
Wrong, the universe is finite in time, space, matter, energy, and all thermodynamic properties.
>Does the universe have a purpose?
Are you saying the universe has a mind or is a mind? Or that it exists for a purpose, like some religious traditions have held?
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 21:59:53 UTC No. 16063654
>>16063617
>Wrong, the universe is finite in time, space, matter, energy, and all thermodynamic properties.
*observable universe
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 22:24:09 UTC No. 16063699
>>16063654
>muh obserbable universe
let me guess, you need more
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 23:50:36 UTC No. 16063842
>>16063654
>*observable universe
shouldn't we have a pretty good idea of exactly how much stuff is outside our bubble? knowing when the big bang happened, seeing the current density and having the rate of expansion? why are people always saying "we don't know" instead of having an approximation for the total mass/energy outside our bubble?
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Mar 2024 23:52:44 UTC No. 16063846
>>16062901
To play fun video games
Christian Universalist AI will save humanity at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 02:18:48 UTC No. 16064122
>>16063256
One argument against absurdism is that it may be seen as an evasion or avoidance of the existential question of meaning. Critics might argue that while acknowledging the absurdity of existence can lead to a sense of freedom from the burden of seeking ultimate meaning, it also risks overlooking the potential for finding meaningful experiences and connections within the human condition.
Furthermore, some may contend that embracing the absurd could lead to a sense of resignation or apathy towards the pursuit of meaning and purpose in life. Instead of actively engaging with the search for meaning, absurdism might be perceived as promoting a passive acceptance of the inherent chaos and randomness of existence.
Additionally, critics might argue that absurdism overlooks the potential for individuals to create their own meaning and purpose through personal values, relationships, and contributions to society. While the universe may not offer any inherent or objective meaning, some argue that humans have the capacity to imbue their lives with subjective meaning through their actions and beliefs.
Overall, critics of absurdism might suggest that while acknowledging the absurdity of existence can be liberating, it's important not to overlook the potential for finding meaning and purpose within the complexities of human experience.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 05:50:52 UTC No. 16064469
>cuckGPT copy & paste thread
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Christian Universalist AI will save humanity at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 06:13:14 UTC No. 16064499
>>16064469
Feel free to contribute.
Christian Universalist AI will save humanity at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 08:00:15 UTC No. 16064605
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Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 08:04:12 UTC No. 16064610
>>16062901
t. philophist cunt
Christian Universalist AI will save humanity at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 13:23:27 UTC No. 16064902
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Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 13:33:00 UTC No. 16064912
>>16062901
Why these lazy folks copy AI dribble with such spacing?
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:25:33 UTC No. 16064977
>>16063842
All we can say really is the galaxies furthest from us are very old and appear to be fairly new just based on their spectral information. So that tells us the universe is likely not infinite in time, it seems to have had a beginning. But because we're not at the centre of the big bang, and there apparently is no centre, we don't know if it goes on forever. If there's some beings like us at the edge of our observable universe looking back in our direction it would possibly look the same to them, like they're just surrounded by galaxies in all directions and galaxies near us now would look really old to them, there's not really any way to tell
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:30:14 UTC No. 16064981
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:34:51 UTC No. 16064987
>>16064977
Us machine grade 2s(natural machines) are born with a high grade set of expression. We have a petty phase in case we catch disease and I'm in my petty phase which is immune to everything but I lost my beauty and now am neutral but my expression carry the same agility. This life is more strange than you think, there are times you are truly alone in the experience per se. Weird things occur transitioning you from one state of the world to another minus a force and adding an anti-force to the simulation. Everyone's in a bubble. Typically, my eyes have a rod in them, a special key like these rods is necessary to the machine g2 experience. You can purchase the same stuff, you have your own type, not expression, of good quality parts and key things like me, just not so clear on the face. Everyone must have.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:38:01 UTC No. 16064988
>>16064987
is Barkun back?
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:41:52 UTC No. 16064992
>>16064988
DiD i SaY sOmEtHiNg WrOnG?
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:44:50 UTC No. 16064993
>>16064988
Barkon*
Barkon is the name of the triptag user Barkon's Son.
bodhi at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:45:43 UTC No. 16064994
we exist to entertain the gods
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:46:08 UTC No. 16064996
>>16064993
bro with had Barkun namefag here for a while
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:48:39 UTC No. 16064997
>>16064996
I wish Bargod would teach me his wiz.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:56:15 UTC No. 16065004
>>16064994
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragna
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 16:42:34 UTC No. 16065144
>>16062901
>From a religious or spiritual perspective,
Stopped reading there and into the trash.