🧵 Mars colonization
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:23:16 UTC No. 16069862
Does anyone still think it's doable and a good idea?
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:46:42 UTC No. 16069883
take the nano-civilization pill
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 12:08:16 UTC No. 16069901
>gravity well shithole
Resources should go to asteroid mining.
Good stuff, much EROI.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:08:54 UTC No. 16070075
>>16069862
we have no choice, its the only available planet easily within reach and doesnt require centuries of terraforming.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 15:34:07 UTC No. 16070188
>>16070075
I think you skipped the part where you explain why we colonize any planet at all
AIFag !Gy8L8Ggb7w at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 15:36:34 UTC No. 16070193
>>16070075
>doesnt require centuries of terraforming
sauce, proof?
we have zero knowledge of terraforming another planet.
any number thrown out by brainlet Elon shills should be multiplied by 10 at least as a lower bound.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 15:37:16 UTC No. 16070195
>>16070188
just because humans can
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 15:41:08 UTC No. 16070201
>>16070188
because the Earth will be hit with another extinction level event, 100% guaranteed.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 15:41:39 UTC No. 16070202
>>16069862
space rings near astroid belt are much more feasible and have hope for long term funding
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 15:45:57 UTC No. 16070212
>>16070201
If that happens the colony will quickly die because there's no way it can be self-sustaining with Mars the way it is
Even if they can produce all the resources they need, the radiation means everyone gets cancer and also pregnancy is probably impossible
Colonization only starts to make sense if/when we're ever able to terraform
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 15:51:18 UTC No. 16070222
>>16070193
You can deorbit Deimos pretty easy. Different ways of doing it including mirrors, sails, h bombs, having a smaller orbiter of Deimos orbiting that uses mars to sap Deimos speed in gravity trade offs.
I think they'll just put some hydrogen bombs on it and decelerate it enough where it is grazing the atmosphere which is like very little. Depending on its true weight it's around 17-21 megatons needed to alte it's orbit to drag on the upper atmosphere at certain points. To totally de orbit is millions of megatons. Phobos would have a mass extractor or driver.
Mars isn't that far off because of it's moons. 20 years before the valleys around the equator are habitable if we tried with current technology
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 15:56:13 UTC No. 16070230
>>16070222
>1. Deorbit Deimos
>2. ???????
>3. Mars is now habitable
dang I didn't know it was that easy
AIFag !Gy8L8Ggb7w at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 15:58:33 UTC No. 16070234
>>16070230
hypothetical nonsensical stuff with nothing to back it up.
damn I know Elon fans are low IQ but this is still too much.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 16:02:38 UTC No. 16070239
>>16070212
>Colonization only starts to make sense if/when we're ever able to terraform
or we could adjust our bodies to that environment. seems like a fuckload of less energy required
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 16:05:04 UTC No. 16070241
>>16070239
Ok if we're just talking pure fantasy now then let's also give ourselves gills and build underwater colonies
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 16:18:04 UTC No. 16070260
>>16070241
>pure fantasy
so terraforming is not pure fantasy (especially at energetic levels) but adjusting our bodies to function in those conditions is somehow and for some weird reason out of the question and clearly not possible.
why? got any papers on why we wouldn't be able to have literally any engineered body? what exactly is clearly preventing that? technically speaking. you must know this right?
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 16:21:11 UTC No. 16070265
It's easier to live in the fking oceans than on Mars.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 16:30:31 UTC No. 16070278
>>16070260
What's your point? Both terraforming and genetic engineering to that degree are a very very long way off from being reality so what's the point of discussing them. That's what sci-fi is for.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 16:36:34 UTC No. 16070283
>>16070278
>What's your point?
energetically speaking terraforming is fucking retarded as compared to genetic engineering. jussain
also genetic (robotic even?) engineering at that level is way closer than you'd like it for your argument. as compared to fucking terraforming. add energy requirements for both and it paints a pretty clear picture.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 16:41:19 UTC No. 16070291
>>16070283
Yes I'm sure we're just around the corner from making ourselves able to breathe CO2 and withstand getting blasted by radiation constantly
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 18:59:27 UTC No. 16070507
>>16069862
Under ocean habitats are easier to build, have more access to natural resources, are 1000 times easier to travel between them and normal Earth crust based cities, EcT. Mars and the Moon have basically no natural resources compared to the deep oceans. The legal grey area of the open ocean also lends itself to new nation states being built just like you'd do on Mars. Free oxygen from splitting water and if you plan it right free power from hydrothermal or locate a rich uranium deposit to mine for power and profits. You'd become a nuclear armed super power and be practically immune to conquest based on the difficulty taking over your under sea city via surface troops. Any attacks on the under sea city would be spotted miles away and managed with ease.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 20:05:12 UTC No. 16070630
>>16069862
I don't know if it can be called colonisation, as it doesn't implement profit and it's more liability than asset. Colonised land is asset.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 20:06:51 UTC No. 16070633
>>16070291
>breathe
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 20:27:33 UTC No. 16070669
>>16070633
No real need to remind that, it's involuntary when needed.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 20:32:52 UTC No. 16070677
>>16070669
good luck being competitive insisting on primitive shit anon.
if chimps get angry for a simple heads up, they deserve to wipe
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 20:33:48 UTC No. 16070679
>>16069862
>doable
yes
>a good idea
only if used as the solar system's worst prison
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 20:41:27 UTC No. 16070691
>>16070630
That's not what colonization means.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 20:57:17 UTC No. 16070708
>>16070691
It's not acquiring land in terms of enslaving it's people and draining it's natural resources?
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 20:59:53 UTC No. 16070714
>>16070691
>colonization
>this is mine now
simple as
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 22:29:06 UTC No. 16070868
>>16069862
>doable
Sure.
>good idea
I have some doubts.
>>16070708
Not in this context, no. You're thinking about colonialism in the imperial/political sense, yeah? Going out to an already inhabited region and exerting control over it. That's not what 'space colonization' generally refers to.
Perhaps 'space settlement' or 'expansion into space' would be a clearer term to use - we're not talking about conquest or subjugation here. However, extracting natural resources is often part of proposals to do so.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 22:38:20 UTC No. 16070877
You can't live on an 0.5g planet for any extended period. "Colonization" would have to be done by robots or the extremely obese.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 23:43:38 UTC No. 16070966
>>16070265
Yeah humanity will still have to prove herself with the terraforming of places like antarctica, Sahara, the oceans. I think that will need to happen first and will probably take till the end of the millennium to even get the spare funds and manpower for it. This all assumes human IQ won't drop off significantly too.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 00:49:54 UTC No. 16071079
>>16070966
We do all of these. Antarctica has so much red tape, that only research stations can be done and would never be able to get permission for constructing a facility for resource extraction or settlement. Ignoring the treaties, there could be a city for 10000 inhabitants build within a few years, if there's enough funds. We have no problem living in the desert and we know how to reclaim dryland. There are in fact many people doing that all over the world, often with minimal funds. Theres really no good reason to want to live in the middle of the Sahara though.
We also know how to make ocean habitats, but that again only really makes sense for research. The pressure vessels are very expensive to build and maintain and living down there is cramped, dim and constantly wet. The saltwater will also corrode everything. Again, possible, but why would you do it? If tou want to get to the resources, you build things like oil platforms. Much more efficient.
Mars is a completely new world and the reward of solving the extreme challenges is pushing new frontiers and establishing yourself first in a new place to opens up new possibilities.
>>16070877
>citation
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 01:23:01 UTC No. 16071136
>>16069862
Its doable and its a good idea. However I think we should pause for a moment to consider what sort of people we want to send there. Do you want another male dominated white colony as Humanity's first off world colony? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Instead we should only send people that have suffered for centuries at the hands of conservative Europeans.
In fact we should send the entire population of the Earth that isn't white. Only then will be they free to develop a sophisticated high tech civilization that will go on to spread across the galaxy, leaving the backwards white oppressors to wither and die on Earth.
>BUT THAT'S RACIST AGAINST WHITES! NOT ALL WHITES ARE BAD!
Damn, yes, you are right. Okay, but we should send only the whites who have contributed to the betterment of society. The Liberals. The Marxists, The Feminists. The Gays and the Transsexuals. And to ensure a fully functional society, all the HR staff, used car sales people, hairdressers, and real estate agents.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 02:28:54 UTC No. 16071278
>>16071136
That sounds a lot like the golgafrincham ark ship from the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy. I like it.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 02:52:34 UTC No. 16071324
>>16071278
>golgafrincham ark ship from the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy
I borrowed heavily from it for that post.
In fact I borrowed so heavily that some of my post was buried beneath the event horizon.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 02:56:16 UTC No. 16071327
>>16069862
How about start with something a touch more realistic? Terraform the moon, build some space station apartments in orbit. Something that might actually be useful, you know, Yeeting a group of people into the known, best case couple of hundred years down the line space feudal wars begin.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:12:38 UTC No. 16071347
>>16071327
underground is the best you'll get on the moon. thermal/radioactive/space rocks shielding.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:22:19 UTC No. 16071350
>>16070188
Either we die on Earth or we leave. Thats the only option. There will be people leaving Earth. Eventually, everyone might leave Earth for some reasons or another.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:22:23 UTC No. 16071351
>>16071079
>citation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuE
QED
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:23:20 UTC No. 16071352
>>16070212
>its not self sustaining because its not okay?, there no way to improve that because its just not okay? and dont talk back to me, okay? its just like you know, impossible because uhh i just cant uhh think of a reason uhh, yeah, uhh yeah
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 06:27:03 UTC No. 16071512
>>16071079
>the reward of solving the extreme challenges is pushing new frontiers and establishing yourself first in a new place to opens up new possibilities.
This applies to all other places you listed. You kept saying people have did this or that but the reality is humans still haven't colonized those places on a large scale because we don't have have the financial incentive to do so just as you said(building these would be inefficient.) and we don't even know if we could pull it off. The issue is that this equally applies to mars. In fact even more so. There's nothing inherently special about colonizing mars.
>Again, possible, but why would you do it? If tou want to get to the resources, you build things like oil platforms.
>Mars is a completely new world
Exactly. If you think mars is a new place worth exploring then just leave it at that but
>Theres really no good reason to want to live in the middle of the Sahara though.
Is equally applicable to mars
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:07:00 UTC No. 16071562
>>16071350
Human beings will never leave Earth. We don’t have the resources to do so. There’s simply not enough resources to build a mass star fleet capable of interstellar travel.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:13:58 UTC No. 16071567
>>16071562
Automated asteroid mining is the answer to your problem.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:17:00 UTC No. 16071569
>>16071562
>its not possible because i say so
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:21:39 UTC No. 16071881
>>16071567
>>16071569
you stupid science fags are wasting tax money and so much bullshit instead of helping people, fuck you and fuck elon, i hope this shit burns to hell, we can't fucking colonize the galaxy, you retards are insane for assuming so.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:30:15 UTC No. 16071897
>>16071881
Fuck off you parasite, you don't produce anything of value so you must starve to death.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:32:09 UTC No. 16071899
>>16071897
Fucking knew it, show your true colors you racist white trash, vote for trump, suck elon cock i know you want too. Just fucking embrace it, don't pretend you want anything good for humanity.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:32:25 UTC No. 16071900
>>16069862
>>16069862
We would have to find some steep canyon walls to protect us from radiation. Down inside a gulley would give you Ganymede levels of radiation, and could be reduced further with a good roof.
In the lowest elevation areas of mars, air pressure could be further increased by releasing heavy greenhouse gases such as sulfur-hexafluoride. These heavy gases would slowly leak out into the rest of mars, which sounds bad at first but does create an unintended economic incentive to continue producing heavy greenhouse gases. These would eventually warm up the entirety of mars.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:36:11 UTC No. 16071905
Why dont those Elon cocksucking brainlets go back to >>/sci/sfg/ where they belong?
Retards you can suck Elon dick and sick each other off freely there.
Seriously science out here only not madeup bullshit.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:40:38 UTC No. 16071915
>>16071881
>i hate science because tax dollars
So you're one of those commies
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:42:29 UTC No. 16071918
>>16071899
I am going to impale you cockroaches alive.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:50:44 UTC No. 16071931
>>16070260
It's going to be a mixture of terraforming and light body modifications. The human lung cannot extract oxygen from an atmosphere of sulfur hexafluoride, so we will have to wear medical devices which can extract oxygen from the dense air and oxygenate our blood. We will still "breathe" instinctively and to talk to each other, but we will have very deep and silly voices from huffing all this heavy gas. Martians will sound like orcs!
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 13:00:49 UTC No. 16071948
>>16069862
>Doable
Yes.
>Good idea
Debatable.
The soil is toxic and cannot support human plants or animals. You'd have to engineer some kind of an algae that eats the perchlorates, or design a system that can do it at industrial scales. There's also lots of other elements and compounds in the soil which are toxic to humans and would degrade equipment pretty quickly. You'd have to build heavily shielded domes to create an atmosphere and keep out solar/cosmic radiation, or you'd have to dig tunnels and build cities underground, which creates its own set of hazards since there's more than likely going to be even more toxic chemicals below the planet's surface. With its non-Earth gravity and few mineral resources, there's also big long-term problems with the food you grow there being not nutritious enough to maintain a population, and the people who live there having problems with bone calcium leeching and rapid changes to their physiology within three generations.
Mars might be a thing to visit, but any serious colony is going to have to be built. That's the only way you can have 1G, proper radiation shielding, a steady food supply, and population growth.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 13:02:09 UTC No. 16071954
>>16071905
We get it, you worship jewish sorcerers.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 13:08:44 UTC No. 16071966
>>16071948
Do you think the perchlorates leech deep into the ground, or are they a surface problem?
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 13:24:02 UTC No. 16071998
>>16069862
SPACE colonization and not MARS colonization, ok?
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:08:57 UTC No. 16072056
>>16071966
So far, the evidence seems to be that they're mostly on the surface (only because we haven't drilled down enough to find out). It's a fixable problem, in theory. The trouble is we've never engineered a solution to a problem that large before. Even if you take the aforementioned algae and use it to clean up the perchlorates, it would take a very long time. The more immediate solution would be to setup some kind of a perimeter, wall off that environment from the rest of the planet including its limited atmosphere and weather, and then systematically root out the toxic elements in the soil over a period of time. So basically, create a very massive dome, decontaminate the interior, then repeat that process thousands of times, until you've de facto terraformed the planet. The trouble is, again, the eternal question: "Is it worth it?"
In terms of cost, reasonable time tables, human labor, engineering feasibility, etc., it'd simply be much easier to tow metal-rich asteroids into lunar orbit, mine them, and use the processed materials to make Earth-comparable orbital colonies which will immediately be able to house and feed more people than Mars likely ever will. Orbital colonies could sustain the human species nearly indefinitely.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:20:48 UTC No. 16072163
>>16069862
Over the past 40 years, the United States has spent Tens of Trillions of dollars on military spending and welfare for NEETs and losers.
If our society favored producers instead of vote cattle, we would already have colonies on our Moon, Mars, Europa, and several NEAs.
Space colonization is absolutely necessary and feasible. The only thing that makes it infeasible is humans who can’t take care of themselves and have to rely on gimmedats from taxpayers and debt.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:26:54 UTC No. 16072171
>>16070222
Deimos isn’t made of water-ice, lmao.
What’s the point of crashing it into Mars? To make Mars less habitable??
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:34:27 UTC No. 16072184
>>16069862
>Doable
No.
The largest thing humanity has ever landed on Mars is about 2-tons, and that required a complicated retro-rocket cable system.
Landing a 40+ ton rocket on Mars is basically impossible.
We have no way of landing a large rocket on the planet until we have a fuel re-supply depot in-orbit around Mars.
There is still no solution to this problem.
>Good idea
See above
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:37:38 UTC No. 16072315
>>16069862
>doable
No
>good idea
Yes
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 01:30:23 UTC No. 16073234
>>16069862
There is no point anyways, you'll just spread human misery by expanding it on another planet.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 01:51:04 UTC No. 16073276
>>16071881
This. we only have so much oil and it's getting wasted on retarded human carrier space ships that will never deliver a second hand civilization anyways. this task is way beyond humanity's capability at this point in time. Musk and Bezos are criminals that should be stripped from all of their wealth and power for wasting resources on childish fantasies.
besides, we have much bigger social and biological issues and the last thing we should do is spread out there before we fix our problems.
ask yourself this, do you really want more rapists, mass shooters and human scum in the billions? because that's how you get that.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 05:26:16 UTC No. 16073547
>>16069862
I'm interested.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 05:35:50 UTC No. 16073562
>people against Mars colonization prove to be colossal fucking retards yet again
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:21:36 UTC No. 16073680
>>16070188
>why colonize another planet?
why do anything? why even get out of bed in the morning? why not just lay down and die right now you fucking coward.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 11:30:09 UTC No. 16074095
>>16073562
Easy for you to type. Much harder for you to back it up.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 12:54:59 UTC No. 16074601
>>16073562
This poster is underage
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 15:02:59 UTC No. 16076772
>>16069862
No, mars is a shit target
Asteroid belt (and maybe Mercury) for resources, moon as a refueling hub near Earth. Deimos and Phobos are unironically better for early colonization than Mars.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 15:22:19 UTC No. 16076864
>>16073562
>I'm gonna leave deep gravity well to fall in slightly more shallow, but still deep gravity well, instead of staying outside of it and living in comfy rotating space station in L5, mining asteroids and shit
>Why yes, I'm retarded, how could you tell?
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 15:30:42 UTC No. 16076907
>>16073680
That's not how economics or the real world works, kiddo. Your reductionism show you don't understand adult problems
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 15:32:11 UTC No. 16076910
>>16076864
Based cylinder chad
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 15:49:53 UTC No. 16077011
>>16076864
The inside surface of a cylinder would still be 1g.
Ironically, while everyone is discussing how to make Mars habitable by reducing its hazardous chemical compounds, ablative dust, and perchlorated soil that can cause you to go into kidney failure on contact, the biggest problem building cylinder colonies mostly revolves around what people would do for an economy.
>mine asteroids
>build ships
>beam gathered solar energy to Earth via microwaves, making every cylinder its own power company
>farm
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:15:00 UTC No. 16077102
>venture in to /sci/ for the launch
>find threads completely anti-science anti-progress, pro-caveman renaissance
what the fuck?
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:19:41 UTC No. 16077114
>living on planets and moons
yikes
>living on space stations designed for human needs
>you can even go wherever you want
based
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:20:51 UTC No. 16077117
>>16077102
There are a lot of schizo threads but we're just trying to be realistic about mars colonization. There are a lot of problems and not enough incentives for colonization yet, it's just too early for humanity
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:21:51 UTC No. 16077119
>>16077117
Ahh, luddites.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:21:53 UTC No. 16077121
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:26:11 UTC No. 16077127
>>16077119
>Reality scares me
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:32:29 UTC No. 16077147
>>16077102
Indians, Chinese and Russians.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:35:52 UTC No. 16077160
>>16077127
I understand, progress is scary. Learn to live with it.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:52:29 UTC No. 16077212
>>16077160
Nobody has a problem with progress. You have an unrealistic standard of how rapidly things can happen because you're clearly a child.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:55:53 UTC No. 16077222
>>16077212
Genuinely retarded. I'm sorry for you.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:59:40 UTC No. 16077234
>>16077222
You need to be 18+ to post here
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:02:06 UTC No. 16077238
>>16071352
We don't even know if Martian soil can even sustain life. I'm gonna say no, it can't, without excessive treatment.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:04:31 UTC No. 16077239
>>16077234
You need an IQ above 65 to post here
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:10:39 UTC No. 16077252
>>16069862
>doable
Yes
>good idea
Not really. Any mars colony is going to be dependent on Earth for generations to come and the people living there will probably die pretty early due to low gravity and radiation fucking with their bodies. The conditions that made colonies on earth so successful are entirely absent on Mars. You can't just go there with your family and claim some virgin piece of land to build your farm. You'd be holed up in some sealed habitat waiting for the next shipment of resources from earth to expand the colony at a snails pace. It's not something most people would want to experience. Also, birthrates are plummeting worldwide, so there isn't even much need to find new lands to settle. The migration pressure towards mars is going to be laughable. Probably a lot of bored dudes and very few young women or families. Lastly, any major accident or natural disaster is most likely going to completely wipe out the colony.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:45:04 UTC No. 16077299
>>16070075
terraforming will take at least 150 years. either we build giant plants to produce smog or we nuke it into nuclear winter. need to trap the heat and melt the ice.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:52:11 UTC No. 16077316
>>16072056
Good post. What about gravity on the orbital colonies?
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:57:37 UTC No. 16077334
This is how I see Starships trip to Mars going - A backup/supply starship lands on mars during the first transit window. 2 years later a manned starship departs earth for Mars. 6 months into their journey something goes wrong with the first starship - tips over from dust devil, radiation, or aliens. Then everyday astronaut and the team are stuck heading to a Mars without their a return ship, and not enough fuel to turn around, and not enough food.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 19:02:58 UTC No. 16077499
>>16077334
I believe that's why he wants an entire fleet of the things, with a dozen or more making the trip to mars at the same time.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 22:24:13 UTC No. 16077948
>>16077316
just rotate them as an o neil cylinder.
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 22:25:45 UTC No. 16077951
>dude i'm goona live in space just like muh hollywood jew movies say!!!!
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 22:54:25 UTC No. 16078004
>>16070075
Mars is impossible to tetaform. It lacks the gravity required to hold an atmosphere.
Venus is doable but requires blocking solar input for a solid century.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 23:43:32 UTC No. 16078164
>>16071562
>Human beings will never leave Earth.
Why wouldn't human beings leave Earth at some point soon given the fact that people are right now developing reusable rockets and in several years we'll have solar charged, AI controlled robot swarms to deploy and build bases where humans can't live or work?
>There’s simply not enough resources to build a mass star fleet capable of interstellar travel.
What makes you say this? Exactly what is a mass star fleet capable of interstellar travel? 100 ships? 10000 ships? 1000000000 ships? How big are the ships? How many more thousands of billions of tons of iron, precious metals, oxygen and methane are out there only in our solar system?
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 00:19:34 UTC No. 16078259
>>16069862
Elon is only going to charge you $100,000 to move to Mars... one way, nonrefundable!
The cost is ONLY for transportation from earth surface to mars surface.
Once on Mars you need to cover, food, water, housing, air, etc.
SpaceX and only SpaceX has facilities to cover your needs on Mars, the cost is ONLY $10,000 per month.
Failure to pay once on Mars, will put you into non-voluntary employment of $10,001 per month.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 00:39:24 UTC No. 16078291
>>16078259
>Elon is Cohaagen from Total Recall
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 00:46:20 UTC No. 16078304
>>16078259
Your imagination is incredibly limited anon, you’re a midwife and I’m sorry. Most likely what will happen is private enterprise will set up some kind of deal similar to how the military works, pay your way and work for us while there doing what you already do. You’re an engineer? Great you can quit your job well hire you on and you get to continue living and working as normal but on mars. I would imagine this is how it’ll play out for the near term future.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 01:04:15 UTC No. 16078329
Colonizing other celestial objects is completely useless and the only people talking about it seriously are scientifically illiterate morons.
Also, i don't know if you read the newsin the past decades, but people are not having kids anymore. We are exploited, impoverished amd overworked and we rather go extinct than create more souls for your shitty capitalist torture machine.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 03:15:10 UTC No. 16078507
>>16078329
Why is it useless, even from your gay pill popping humanist perspective? Isn't it good to have colony ships and outposts on various places in space in case calamity strikes Earth? Isn't the idea of eventually retiring planet Earth and protecting it as a natural preserve exciting? Decentralization of known intelligence in our world by sending out seed ships to other promising places? I honestly think it's extremely exciting. Why so pessimistic? By the way, there is a bunch of problematic white and asian males foaming at the mouth to leverage space for even greater power national and economic whether you like it or not. The size of our economy is about to 1000x.
>people are not having kids anymore
So let's hope the eggheads commercialize artificial wombs soon and/or an anti plastics baby making religion arises?
>exploited, impoverished amd overworked
You just stare at screens too much and insist on living in a crowded place despite a lack of ambition. Do your part and stop playing with your phone, get some sun and make some babies?
>we rather go extinct than create more souls for your shitty capitalist torture machine.
Down with Elon and all other rich people who choose to lay down their lives for big dreams, amirite?
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 03:42:51 UTC No. 16078550
>>16070188
It's a white man thing, you wouldn't understand.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 05:26:36 UTC No. 16078662
>>16078550
Sure, let's dump all white men onto Mars and call it a day
I fully support this endeavor
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 05:46:06 UTC No. 16078696
>>16069862
It's legitimately doubtful anyone's actually been on the moon. Stand under the moon rocket replicas at the Johnson Space Center and imagine that travelling 11.2 km/s to land people on the moon and safely return them on 1960s technology - something we either can't accomplish today or tell ourselves is beneath us. Then think about the cowardly lies the US tells today to try and own the Russians. Man, fuck this gay world.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 05:52:45 UTC No. 16078702
>>16078291
a wannabe him and wallace from br2049 unironically
i'm not going to live as a fuckin moleman for that fuckin cockaroach, the only way to live in an environment with such radiation levels
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 06:39:17 UTC No. 16078738
>>16069862
The main reason to build space colonies is mining. It's the same economic incentives as a mining town, just a lot more difficult and expensive - very high investment with very high return.
Mars is closer to Earth than to the asteroid belt. Even if you mine the inner edge of the asteroid belt at the optimum times you still only cut about a third of your total journey by having a base on Mars, plus you then need to use fuel to get the finished product back into orbit.
The other reason would be ideological - you don't like Earth governments and want to start a new colony like a space age pilgrim father. In this case you need a place you can farm to produce your own food, water and oxygen with minimal reliance on the place you're running from.
Mars would be ok for this, as it has (low) gravity, (frozen) water and a (very thin) atmosphere. Not ideal, but much better than no gravity, water or atmosphere. With a nuclear power plant and a habitat dome you could thaw water, pressurise CO2 and grow plants to provide food and oxygen.
So the real question is whether you're a businessman or a frontiersman. If you want profit you skip Mars and go for the asteroids. If you want freedom you settle Mars and hope for the best.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 09:36:23 UTC No. 16078855
>>16078507
Still won't happen
And when you're older, you'll say that i was right.
Hopefully you get enlightened before you're an elder and waste your life dreaming up fantasies and buying snake oil from conmen.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:51:07 UTC No. 16078969
>>16071569
>I can raise a family in an environment orders of magnitude less forgiving than Antarctica because I just can, okay.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 12:03:04 UTC No. 16078982
>>16078969
Antarctica is way tougher. Yes you have free air but worse everything else
>Penguin attack
>Miles of ice
>Low sun
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 12:05:30 UTC No. 16078987
>>16077252
>Also, birthrates are plummeting worldwide, so there isn't even much need to find new lands to settle. The migration pressure towards mars is going to be laughable.
This. Unless the technological singularity meme happens, I think establishing a colony on Mars isn't feasible.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 12:14:49 UTC No. 16079005
>>16078982
Another planet where temperatures fluctuate by hundreds of degrees is actually more hospitable because, just because it is, okay.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 12:19:45 UTC No. 16079017
>>16079005
No niggers or penguins on Mars
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:37:21 UTC No. 16079184
>>16078662
I'm white and agree. No Jews, though. Watch how quickly they try to emigrate when they see what wonders we have built.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 15:14:30 UTC No. 16079263
>>16077252
>low gravity
38% of 1G is enough acceleration. If you wear a vest and some elbow pads with some tungsten weights embedded into them you can easily put another 30lb worth of force on your bones. The extra mass would feel clumsy but you would adapt. Most adults can reach 90lb.
>>16076772
Phobos, orbiting so close, would be wonderful. If you inhabited a sufficiently steep crater facing Mars, Mars would appear large enough in the sky that it would block a significant amount of radiation, adding to the greater than half reduction of radiation provided by phobos itself. And it would be a great view, providing ample light.
🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 16:11:46 UTC No. 16079362
>>16069862
>colonize dead planet
Unless it's to gain close access to asteroids for mining, why
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 16:17:57 UTC No. 16079373
>>16078855
If we can't dream how can we live?
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 17:38:10 UTC No. 16079539
>>16079373
Change your dreams, fix humans with eugenics first.
Capeshit tier space fantasies are cope and will achieve nothing.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 20:19:54 UTC No. 16079828
>>16078982
Bro, how do you think Antarctic was built? Or America for that matter? They weren't built in 1 day. They were built over hundreds of years.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 20:28:24 UTC No. 16079844
>>16079828
And more specifically, in the past, the hostility of the environment was just the same, relatively speaking. You carry your own family/food and try to survive on your own with the remaining time.
Today with a rocket launched and landed on Mars, it could generate its own energy (solar) which will last a 100 years or so. Further if there's gov support, we can have nuclear. Further, with bit more ice processing, we can have methane/hydrogen generators from the planet itself. Further, with that single ship, you can keep a group of 10 for few decades worth of dry food. Further, the ship can act as a insulated living space. Its a structure with internal capacity to hold 2 x the cargo space as a Boein 747. Its extremely spacious. Further, we can carry 3D printers and build housings, further we can use automated tools/labor to automate mining/processing of raw materials. Further if the rocket isn't a one time thing, a constant stream of raw supplies to bootstrap large greenhouse and do crop rotations. Further, small industrial base can be created to create parts many of the machines on the ground and assemble them on the ground. Some complex stuff may still need to be imported/traded.
We have all the modern ameneties that the first explorers of America/Antartica didn't have and didn't even dream of.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:08:35 UTC No. 16080157
>>16076864
the way I figure it, once we establish an industrial base in space there is no reason to colonize other planets. we can just live in space and on low g asteroids and moons.
We are spending all the effort to get out of Earth gravity, why would we go back into another gravity well. sounds retarded.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:12:55 UTC No. 16080162
>>16080157
zero G seems kind of weird, dangerous even. what's the best amount of G? you need some, but not too much.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:17:08 UTC No. 16080167
>>16080162
we'd use spinning cylinders and such.
going on a planet would be a novelty
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 01:04:19 UTC No. 16080320
>>16080157
I don't personally buy this. The advantages of having resources right outside the door outweighs the issues with having to use a rocket to get of the ground. Unless you make your living zipping around all day in a rocketship there's little reason to try to live in hard vacuum exclusively.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 02:13:55 UTC No. 16080415
>>16078855
>Still won't happen
It's impossible to say for sure whether or not it will happen. We could have nuclear war, AI catastrophe, deadlier engineered virus/prion disease, super volcano or big rock from space before it happens. 200 years ago you would have said we will never fly and flying is useless, though. What's certain is that human colonization of space will happen given a lack of complicating circumstances, because people are building reusable rockets right now, and they actually work. Once this tech spreads to all power blocs and there are fleets of thousands of ships in private and public hands, what I'm describing will naturally and necessarily happen, and it is absolutely not useless. You're a contrarian pseud who dislikes Elon, that's all.
>fix humans with eugenics first
That's not up to busybodies like you to decide. Shut your mouth and start developing good products and people might just buy them!
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 05:35:14 UTC No. 16080632
>>16079184
this, any off-world colony will be DOA unless there are serious efforts made to keep them high-trust/altruistic and not allow nature's perfect weapons of corruption, greed, and genetic-level hatred for all things beautiful out
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 05:46:48 UTC No. 16080650
>>16070188
because it's cool
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 06:59:01 UTC No. 16080705
>>16070188
Lebensraum?
It's inherent to the nature of humanity to want to go new places, new lands, make new homes and escape from the suffocating bureaucracy that inevitably takes over any sufficiently established civilization.
You colonize space because the alternative is living on earth.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:05:00 UTC No. 16080708
>>16070507
>Under ocean habitats are easier to build,
They really aren't.
Sure you don't have to use a rocket but the conditions of the deep ocean are far harsher than what a colony on the moon or mars would be subjected to, for example any moon colony isn't going to be subjected to storms, ice, being covered in algae, or constant rusting from exposure to salt water, nor will it be under the immense pressure of the ocean floor.
As for resources they are also harder to acquire on the ocean floor than on the moon or mars. It's easier to mine in a low gravity vacuum than at sea bed.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:06:35 UTC No. 16080712
>>16070966
>terraforming of places like antarctica, Sahara, the oceans.
All of those are already terraformed by definition , they are literally on earth.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:02:12 UTC No. 16080756
>>16080415
I want it to happen. I want to help make it happen. But it were going to happen, why wasn't I born in the space faring civilization with 1000x the population?
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:08:21 UTC No. 16080766
>>16080756
It could be that space always remains a niche thing. Oh sure we build colonies with a few thousand people on them at most, but statistically most of us will always be earthlings bound to the only habitable planet within reach.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:10:17 UTC No. 16080768
>>16080756
>But it were going to happen, why wasn't I born in the space faring civilization with 1000x the population?
I'm not sure why but something tells me this type of reasoning is flawed.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:15:16 UTC No. 16080771
>>16080768
It's a statistically useful fallacy, like racially profiling criminals is.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:23:06 UTC No. 16080773
>>16080771
>despite being born in the first 5% of the projected lifespan of humanity....
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:27:47 UTC No. 16080778
>>16080157
>once we make a floating island in the middle of an ocean we wont have any reason to colonize continental land
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:54:09 UTC No. 16080802
>>16071899
I want more Whites and money spent on White endeavours, that's the best contribution to humanity there is.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:56:55 UTC No. 16080809
>>16080802
the only color that matters is billionaire
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:20:28 UTC No. 16080826
>>16080778
>>16080157
Preoccupation with free-space habitats is a holdover trauma from 20th century launch costs. Spincucks instinctively regard launching from a planet as something impossibly expensive and difficult, so once they are up in space they are terrified of coming down again.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:24:21 UTC No. 16080833
Even getting to Mars is a major problem. Radiation is a health hazard even in low earth orbit.
"Among the genetic changes were what is known as chromosomal inversions (in which gene sequences actually reverse end to end) and transpositions (in which individual genes change position on the chromosome), both of which are known to be linked to space radiation. Not all of the changes disappeared—or at least not quickly—after Scott’s return."
https://time.com/5568522/kelly-twin
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:29:18 UTC No. 16080840
>>16080415
>You're a contrarian pseud who dislikes Elon
I never even mentioned him nor do i care what snake oil salesmen think about anything really
>200 years ago you would have said we will never fly
Such a stupid reasoning. Flying is not a cost or obstacle compared to doing anything in space.
We will NEVER need space. We will NEVER have colonies on the moon.
We will NEVER mine asteroids. We will NEVER mine in space at all, any time in the future.
And that's just eternity. But in the near future? We're not even gonna land on other planets any time soon. We even lost the tech to go to the moon, that's how useless it was in the first place.
Space will NEVER be commercially viable.
But i love all you capeshit fantasists cope and seethe, knowing nothing about space or how the world works. Keep watching arthur isaac and other down syndrome retards who also don't understand neither space nor how humans work lmao
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:34:48 UTC No. 16080853
>>16080826
planets are giant ball of resources, planets like mars have more resources than millions of asteroid bodies
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:36:31 UTC No. 16080856
>>16080840
You are the dumbest person in this thread.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:37:11 UTC No. 16080857
>>16080853
Yes, I agree. Planets are the place to be.
lolcow at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:40:02 UTC No. 16080860
>>16080856
Not an argument, ad hominem attack, you lose capeshit enjoyer
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:43:00 UTC No. 16080863
>>16080860
>Unironically using 'never' in any context about progress
Retardation or bad faith arguments.
Everything you say is disregarded
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:43:11 UTC No. 16080864
>>16080840
>Flying is not a cost or obstacle
If you said that 200 years ago you'd be locked up in the madhouse and made to break rocks until you were sane again.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:44:33 UTC No. 16080866
>>16080860
no no, he's right, you're pretty dumb. when you're this dumb it's not ad-hominem, it's recognition.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:46:36 UTC No. 16080872
>>16080840
>We will NEVER have colonies on the moon.
Nigger it's actively being worked on right now. Why do you think the chinese and even the indians are bumrushing the lunar south pole?
chad horsedick at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:48:39 UTC No. 16080876
>>16080864
Except back then we knew very little sciences. Now we have information abundance, and if you read actual data instead of having capeshit movies chew data up and puke it in your mouth, you would draw the same conclusions as I.
>>16080863
What progress are you talking about? Because sending flesh and bone humans to outer space is peak retardation, not progress lmao
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:49:36 UTC No. 16080877
We can't right now because the world is democratic, low iq, high time preference. Elon should instead focus on abolishing democracy.
chad horsedick at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:51:10 UTC No. 16080883
>>16080866
Sorry for slashing your star wars laser sword fantasies lmao, did you know santa claus is also not real? Awww poor lil thing
>>16080872
Landing on the moon once and leaving, or even setting up some research station a la antarctica is NOT a colony you dumb fucklet hahaha
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:52:17 UTC No. 16080886
>>16080883
Oh look, ad hominem attacks
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:52:42 UTC No. 16080887
>>16080883
>t. average thundercuck enjoyer
chad horsedick at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:55:01 UTC No. 16080890
>>16080886
Apparently it's fair game now :3
>can't bring up any counterarguments
Okey
>>16080887
He's mostly right, he's an actual scientist unlike the snake oil salesmen billionaires you worship
chad horsedick at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:57:58 UTC No. 16080896
>>16080877
Muskies future after the feds decide he's had enough fun defrauding gullible idiots such as yourself
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:59:30 UTC No. 16080898
>>16080890
People like you need to be killed.
Standing in the way of progress and screaming about random nonsense.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:00:33 UTC No. 16080899
>>16080890
>he's an actual scientist
He's a chemist (not a real science)
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:02:24 UTC No. 16080902
>>16080890
>He's mostly right, he's an actual scientist
was a shot in the dark
chad horsedick at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:04:50 UTC No. 16080908
>>16080898
This is why we will never have a civilization that lasts hundreds of thousands of years, because you think the enemy is people who speak the truth.
Let me tell you who the real enemy is, and why civilizations collapse: because gullible idiots such as yourself worship and fall for the tricks of psycopaths and narcissists.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:12:11 UTC No. 16080917
>>16080908
>gullible idiots such as yourself worship and fall for the tricks of psycopaths and narcissists.
Eg Thunderf4g
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:15:41 UTC No. 16080922
>>16080840
seems like you suffer from SDS (Space Derangement Syndrome)
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:55:42 UTC No. 16080977
>>16080917
That's not true. Thunderf00t is a great man.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:21:04 UTC No. 16081060
Even if earth were flat with an indestructible dome on top, I would STILL want ALL tax revenue to be invested in smashing rockets into the firmament. I AM GETTING OUT OF THIS SHITHOLE, I REFUSE TO WORSHIP WEAKNESS.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:24:38 UTC No. 16081064
>>16081060
Based, I'm with you.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 16:18:38 UTC No. 16081396
>>16069862
>Does anyone still think it's doable and a good idea?
I just think it's neat
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 16:28:06 UTC No. 16081411
>>16069862
Doable, yes. We know it is.
Good? By what metric? Probably not good for niggers like you, I think you'll stay here.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:33:49 UTC No. 16081534
>>16069862
2029 is the new date, though most enthusiasts guess 2033 is more likely
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:39:27 UTC No. 16081547
>>16070201
No extinction level event can make Earth into hellhole like Mars. And even if it does technologies required ot survive you on Mars also would save you in Earth. You don't need to fly to Mars, you can build "martian base" in your backyard.
Also this >>16070212
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:47:03 UTC No. 16081559
>>16071352
Just looks at chips production it's literally just one firm makes lithography machines and they are interconnected via subcontractors with all developed countries. You basically need "golden billion" to sustain current tech level. And it's completely unfeasible to send golden billion to space colony
People want to relieve are of discovery but transportation and tech meta is completely different. During Columbus era sending hundreds people to America costed mere 1 million in current bucks, and 1000 artisans and craftsmen were enough to build complete tech tree of the Columbus era civilization. Such meta are infinitely far away from space travel costs and minimum size of civilization of our time
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:59:13 UTC No. 16082092
It is not that hard. Only losers disagree.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 01:00:01 UTC No. 16082264
>>16081559
You don't need "chips". You can do things the old fashioned way - with log tables and hotshot pilots.
You can also use 00s era chips which are much easier to make by modern standards.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 01:03:09 UTC No. 16082268
>>16081559
>Just looks at chips production it's literally just one firm makes lithography machines and they are interconnected via subcontractors with all developed countries.
yeah you basically need tech that can build itself from the ground up with raw materials and energy. like the proverbial atomic 3D printer. you just need the info for what you want to assemble. with this tech, raw materials and energy you can absolutely be self sufficient almost anywhere.
question is, how far away are we from such tech might and is it even possible in the first place?
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 02:05:43 UTC No. 16082331
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 02:14:30 UTC No. 16082339
>>16082331
he doesn't look so comfy tho
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 04:07:54 UTC No. 16082475
>>16082264
Bring a bunch of DIP chips that have big fat pins which can be soldered by hand. If we're talking about controlling simple life support systems, you won't need much computation for it. Any reliable, embedded chip will do. A giant reserve stock of esp8266 IC's could solve tons of problems.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 04:56:50 UTC No. 16082544
>>16082475
I wonder how much computation you'd need for doing an ass-first rocket landing on Mars. More forgiving than Earth perhaps.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:45:33 UTC No. 16082578
>>16070075
>>doesnt require centuries of terraforming
that's impossible with current technology. That is, it's impossible to give Mars an atmosphere that would support liquid water without large scale stripmining and cooking rocks to CO2.
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/m
Mars is still the best option for space colonization because it's got lots of readily available CHON and it's close enough that the travel time isn't ridiculous. Being close also helps with solar power, which is a helluva lot easier to produce near term than nuclear fuel. Venus cloud colonies are cool, but Venus has basically no hydrogen. The Moon? Again, basically no hydrogen, same with carbon and the other volatiles.
>>16076864
they're great, but you gotta get the volatiles(carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen) from somewhere. Orbitals need to operate closed cycle, while Mars colonies can operate open cycle. You can just dig up more dirt to fix imbalances. Orbitals are probably a better option long term though.
>>16077011
perchlorates won't instantly kill people. Besides, colonists don't have to live healthily, just long enough to reproduce and keep the population stable.
>>>beam gathered solar energy to Earth via microwaves, making every cylinder its own power company
are you fucking retarded? Transmit distance from any Earth lagrange point, Earth-Moon, Earth-Sun is fucking far. The larger the distance is, the more the beam spreads out. This can be counteracted by making the transmitter aperture bigger, but even at GEO, the aperture needs to be like 10s of kilometers in diameter. And you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want the transmitter to be at GEO. Otherwise you need a constellation of a bunch of powersats to provide uninterrupted power to the ground. Uninterrupted power is basically the main selling point of powersats.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:55:11 UTC No. 16082585
>>16082475
literally this. One ton of microchips goes a long way. The import mass of computer chips Mars needs are so fucking low it doesn't make sense to make them on Mars. If Mars really needs to make electronics vacuum tubes and magnetic amplifiers should be good enough. That, and earlier semiconductor production was simpler. Semiconductor grade silicon used to be made by people basically eyeballing the process. The gun looking thing's an disappearing filament pyrometer, it's a tool for measuring temperature of the silicon. It works by the user adjusting a light bulb until its the same color as the thing being measured. So yeah, you can eyeball semiconductor grade silicon production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disap
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:59:19 UTC No. 16082590
>9 months in a small steel tube
I pity the suckers going there first. in the grand scheme of things waiting for robots get better seems like a better idea. send them build the base and then have people go there. it's like 10-20 years delay
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 06:43:17 UTC No. 16082611
>>16082585
>If Mars really needs to make electronics vacuum tubes and magnetic amplifiers should be good enough
How the fuck am I gonna play Counterstrike on that?
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 06:46:30 UTC No. 16082614
>>16076864
Why exactly are you fags so afraid of gravity wells? Is it inherited trauma from the shuttle days?
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 07:44:41 UTC No. 16082656
>>16082611
If it makes sense to build computers on Mars, things have gotten so incredibly fucked that playing videogames should be the least of your concerns.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 08:00:26 UTC No. 16082670
>>16082611
Why do you want to play CS:GO on your airlock
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 09:24:05 UTC No. 16082759
>>16082670
Let me refer you to >>16082331
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:11:24 UTC No. 16082871
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:20:40 UTC No. 16082887
>>16082871
TWO WEEKS
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 16:19:30 UTC No. 16083158
>>16082871
Do you have any data like this for the closest M-type asteroids? I want to work out if it would be more efficient for asteroid miners to go directly from Earth to the mines, wait for Mars to be in position for a slingshot manoeuvre, or actually orbit Mars and use it as a way station. The last of these is the only scenario where a Mars colony has ROI after all.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 19:14:01 UTC No. 16083347
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 19:23:20 UTC No. 16083361
>>16082614
>∆V grows on trees
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 19:28:47 UTC No. 16083373
>>16083361
How long would it take to convert solar energy into methalox for the starship
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 20:16:03 UTC No. 16083482
>>16082339
and yet history knows his name not yours.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:30:41 UTC No. 16083687
>>16082578
>terraforming
What a stupid spook distracting from the actual goal of colonizing Mars.
Just put a tarp over the copious valleys on Mars and call it day. You don't need more than a tarp and automated drones checking for leaks.
It's like I am in retardo looney land whenever t his topic comes up. One side wants to fucking terraform Mars with 21st century tech/methods, the other side wants to live fucking mole people buried into Mars because they are paranoid about radiation, not understanding if you live in a valley with water in the attic, you are looking at a fraction of the cosmic rays you'd get if you lived on a plain on Mars (which is not even that bad).
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 23:11:52 UTC No. 16083744
>>16083687
It's true you can colonize mars without terraforming and can terraform after colonizing but a big tarp pressurized at 15psi is probably not the ideal solution
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:51:05 UTC No. 16083970
>>16080708
Explain how storms, ice, and algae manage to interact with a under ocean city on the sea floor? Pro-tip....you can't because you are fucking retarded and none of those things happen under the ocean. I think the worst of storms don't effect the ocean after about 300 feet down. Sunlight doesn't penetrate water very well and stops completely at a shallow depth compared to the likely depth of ocean cities. Hence no algae. Rust is a non factor as the depth will require materials like titanium anyway which is not going to rust. The only semi plausible critique you put forward was the pressure which is still an easier engineering problem to solve than terraforming Mars or any of the other huge engineering feats needed to colonize a planet in our solar system. Like I said you have relatively limitless access to resources to build as robust a city as needed. In direct opposition to launching rockets we use gravity to sink materials to our under sea cities where space requires rockets to lift mass into orbit and beyond which of course falls under the "tyranny of the rocket equation".
>Light in the ocean decreases with depth, with minimal light penetrating between 200-1,000 meters (656-3,280 feet) and depths below 1,000 meters receiving no light from the surface.
>As the hurricane grows larger and more potent, it can generate waves as high as 18.3 meters (60 feet), tossing and mixing warmer surface waters with the colder, saltier water below. The resulting currents can extend as far as 91.5 meters (300 feet) below the surface, wreaking deadly havoc on marine life.
God help me I hate this board so much. It's like the circus of retards here and I literally can't take it. Fuck you all in the goat ass. Heartfelt.
https://youtu.be/2PusqWv9QOs?si=wpS
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 02:18:28 UTC No. 16084004
>>16083970
>Fuck you all in the goat ass.
goat fucker
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:32:07 UTC No. 16084170
>>16083687
Not full planet terraforming. Localized terraforming!
>>16083744
No, you fill the low areas with heavy greenhouse gases. This stabilizes the temperature and causes a slight increase in air pressure, which allows liquid water to persist for longer periods of time.
Once a sizeable body of water forms, you submerge a diving bell habitat and live under the water. This provides an environment without depressurization risk and with ample radiation shielding.
https://marspedia.org/Super_Greenho
Really heavy gas like SF6 would only escape slowly, hopefully slowly enough that manufacuring can keep up with leakage.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:45:34 UTC No. 16084181
>>16070877
>You can't live on an 0.5g planet for any extended period.
oh geez it's the "living in less than 1g will result in deformed babies WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE DEFORMED BABIES THAT LIVE IN MY HEAD!" anon
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:49:01 UTC No. 16084183
>>16083158
I'm sorry but I don't.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:50:04 UTC No. 16084184
>>16083970
>He starts talking about "storms" on a planet with 1% of earths atmosphere
Apologize for your irrelevant post, retard.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:50:26 UTC No. 16084185
>>16083744
so pressurize it to half that then and up the O2 to 40%, big deal
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 05:03:32 UTC No. 16084202
>>16084181
Pregnant women will have to live in spinning nurseries for a few months, no big deal
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 07:58:29 UTC No. 16084433
>>16083970
>which is still an easier engineering problem to solve than terraforming Mars
Who said anything about terraforming?
colonization =/= terraforming
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 09:25:41 UTC No. 16084533
>>16070877
>"Colonization" would have to be done by the extremely obese.
AMERICA FUCK YEAH
chad horsecock at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:50:10 UTC No. 16084716
>>16083970
Lmao, well said. Clueless capeshit retards infest this place with their laser sword fantasies.
Tbh i don't blame them completely, it's what the film makers in pedowood fed them for decades. At least they're interested in science, if not completely misguided. We could be spending that money on actual robotic exploration of the solar system like Ingenuity, instead of smooth brain vanity projects like sending flesh and bone humans to Mars. Yeah, sometimes i hate them too.
The funny thing is, they have zero counter arguments. They just want their capeshit fantasies so bad. Setting themselves up for disappointment and then whining that science is fake. Kek fucking retards
Barkon at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:52:37 UTC No. 16084720
>>16084716
Somewhere in my mouth is X?
Barkon at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:55:01 UTC No. 16084723
>>16084720
Your retarded clue only signifies the mouth and perhaps inside - the rest is NPC cancer.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 13:23:18 UTC No. 16084743
>>16072184
So no Elon fags have an answer to this problem?
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 13:24:22 UTC No. 16084744
>>16077334
How much does a Starship weigh?
How does it land on Mars without burning up in the atmosphere?
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 13:25:44 UTC No. 16084745
>>16078004
>Venus
What to do with all the Carbon Dioxide though?
At what level could algae/plants survive long enough to process CO2 into oxygen to make Venus habitable?
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 14:22:01 UTC No. 16084794
>>16081559
I've never seen a more Chinese post
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 14:34:30 UTC No. 16084806
>>16069862
for a science board i am quite surprised how many anons says stuff like
>never
>impossible
>no economical gain
We already have ways how to cope with radiation. and nobody really looked into generating strong enough electromagnetic shield on par with the one our earth planet has. It isnt question of IF, but just HOW to combine the shielding materials with shielding force to reach some optimum.
If we are able to send robots weighting few kilos on mars already, we already have everything we need to start building there bases. Maybe not for humans yet, but definitely for remote controlled robots. Now its just question of scaling and time.
>inb4 but it will costs trillions!
USA already printed more than enough money to fund it... twice. if usa goverment thinks they can fund themselves via printing money indefinitely, we can fund mars colony the same way.
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
>inb4 it will last centuries
they didnt build rome in 1 day either. we have time. our sun is still full of fuel. all is well
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:17:29 UTC No. 16084848
>>16084433
>>16083687
You need Martians first, then you can think about terraforming (which will be with future tech, anyway).
People always act like Martian colonization and Martian terraforming have to coincide. But why would Earth invest in that? But if Mars had, say, the population in the vicinity of Germany (~100 million), they probably have long since developed some "national" (planetary) consciousness and they will want to terraform Mars (as an extreme long term goal) themselves. I don't think if you grow up in 40% gravity you are perma-gimped and can never endure Earth gravity (you could with some training), but that is another reason why they would want to make their own planet habitable outside paraterraformed valleys.
This is one thing The Expanse got right.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:27:09 UTC No. 16084861
>>16070877
Weighted clothing. A vest is a good start. Some smaller weights on the arms, hands, fingers, head. All this gives your body a workout.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:28:29 UTC No. 16084865
>>16070877
Weighted clothing. A vest is a good start. Some smaller weights on the arms, hands, fingers, head. All this gives your body a workout
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:32:00 UTC No. 16084867
>>16084806
If you know you're going into a carcinogenic environment you can have your T cells grown in a lab culture and then injected back into you in large doses when you need them most. IIRC this is already being done, but I don't know what stage the clinical trials are at. You could also take drugs to alleviate the symptoms of radiation sickness.
As a long term strategy, however, I would suggest we simply need to get a lot less prissy about modifying our own genes. Humans have already settled just about every frontier that can support our current biology, so if we want to go further we have to change.
>debt
Traditionally you would fund colonies by offering citizenship and/or land ownership in the future in exchange for work and/or military service in the present. That way the debt is spread among the colonists instead of being one big government or corporate debt. It also makes everyone invested in the success of the colony, so you get several years of very enthusiastic work out of everyone.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:41:36 UTC No. 16084880
>>16084867
Fuck off edgelorde
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:42:40 UTC No. 16084882
we should colonize earth first ...
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 16:27:42 UTC No. 16084946
>>16084533
TFW your doctor prescribes you this for every meal.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 16:48:59 UTC No. 16084973
>>16069862
Two more centuries SpaceX bro