Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:52:09 UTC No. 16071609

>>16071592
up your ass OP

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 08:23:01 UTC No. 16071635

>>16071609
I looked there already. The only thing I found in there was a BBC

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 08:56:05 UTC No. 16071653

>>16071592
>Where are they?
The 17th century.
>Why are they hiding from us?
That is what the past does.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:01:26 UTC No. 16071656

>>16071592
We are an example of peak existence. Intelligent species probably cap out at a few billion and barely migrate to a nearby planet. If there was a sentient species who went interstellar they would have a population in the trillions, and if they had a population that large you would probably be one of them.

Why aren't you? You're so statistically typical, why would you be so unlucky as to be born to a species during a population spike and confined to one planet?

Because probably, none have ever escaped their rock.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:06:38 UTC No. 16071664

>>16071592

My hypthesis is that persistent intelligent life which is comparable to humans is actually very rare. Their birth is rare, and even when it happens, they go extinct in short time.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:12:16 UTC No. 16071667

>>16071656
By that logic, there are over a billions indians, so you are most likely an indian, so your opinion can be entirely disregarded since you still shit in the street.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:33:11 UTC No. 16071691

>>16071667
I'm american. Hitting a bullseye that's 5% of the targest is "lucky". A bullseye at 0.1% is "nearly impossible". Go farther and confidence only increases! I'm sorry that your binary brain doesn't comprehend "probably".

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:38:44 UTC No. 16071700

>>16071691
Oh, and you're not aiming for this target, you're blindfolded.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:41:13 UTC No. 16071703

>>16071691
Why would I care what someone who probably shits in the street thinks about probabilities?

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:44:21 UTC No. 16071706

>>16071703
Here, consult reality.
https://rollthedice.online/en/dice/d1000

You get one lottery ticket, genius.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:46:20 UTC No. 16071708

>>16071703
Also you're retarded because you don't understand selection bias. What country is this website popular in? What proportion are indians?

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:47:58 UTC No. 16071710

>>16071706
Not clicking your pajeet link, consult a toilet instead of the place where everyone has to walk.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:48:05 UTC No. 16071711

>>16071592
I unironically believe that, based on current evidence, humanity is the only life in the galaxy and probably the universe.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:50:28 UTC No. 16071714

>>16071708
No, Raj, you don't understand selection if you think the most probable actually dictates individual properties instead of being a post hoc description of the distribution of properties among individuals.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:52:24 UTC No. 16071715

>>16071714
Where did I say that? I simply say that in the absence of other information, it's a very good assumption. And the more extreme the ratio, the better the assumption holds.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:56:20 UTC No. 16071722

>>16071715
Yes and based on the same lazy statistical analysis and retarded logic its a very good assumption that you shit in the street.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:59:12 UTC No. 16071726

>>16071722
But you cherry picked that one attribute. If you picked a random, blind, unbiased attribute with a 1000 to 1 odds of being true then I would bet on it. Betting on exceptions is stupid.

And even if I got it wrong, my bet was still better than yours.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:05:02 UTC No. 16071729

>>16071726
No, a long shot bet has a better payout and long shots get paid out all the time just like incredibly rare events happen constantly, but that is a pretty hard concept for a street shitter to comprehend.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:07:47 UTC No. 16071732

>>16071729
just like incredibly rare events happen constantly

LOL go roll the D1000 die and see if you get an incredibly rare event

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:13:56 UTC No. 16071741

>>16071732
I have rolled septuples before, I know all about rolling for rare events, don't you strain your smelly brown hands trying to cry about it.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:14:05 UTC No. 16071742

>>16071732
>>16071729
According to you, every roll that isn't your number is an alien living a lifestyle completely unlike your own, in some glorious interstellar civilization. You're just SO ATYPICAL, the 1 in 1000 who is missing out on the fun.

Why does humanity have to miss out?!

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:17:25 UTC No. 16071749

>>16071741
If every number is special to you then you're rolling a D1 die.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:20:55 UTC No. 16071754

>>16071749
I am the one saying none of them are particularly special, rare events happen constantly.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:25:17 UTC No. 16071760

>>16071754
> rare events happen constantly.
Not the ones you want. You don't get to pick and choose your rare attributes, only acknowledge them.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:29:56 UTC No. 16071763

>>16071760
Says the one anon who thinks they get to pick what kind of civilization they live in just by acknowledging some rare attribute.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:44:15 UTC No. 16071774

Even if we take it as a given that 99.9999998% of intelligent species kill themselves off before going interstellar or even multi planet(THE GREAT FILTER).....that still can't explain the absence of observable aliens or observable colonization. The Observable Universe is so vast, and potential planets for life to grow so numerous, well it might as well be infinite for all intents. So here is the rub fellow /sci/ retards. Unless there is a 100.00000000000001% chance The Great Filter kills ALL intelligent life before space colonization we would see many alien civilizations. The Universe has 100 trillion billion dice rolls to get it right and it's not statistically possible to lose the dice roll every time unless you modify the equation to make it so. It would only take one species to escape The Great Filter and start a run away chain reaction of colonization, both by synthetic and biological organisms.

Meaning we must conclude one of several realities. The Great Filter is inescapable and all intelligence is born doomed with no hope of escape to space. Or if we go off the deep end we can theorize the lack of aliens points to something more sinister like a simulated universe where we are the only generated consciousness and there are no aliens because it's resource intensive to simulate them and completely irrelevant to the outcome of the simulation. Another solution no one wants to talk about is an infinite universe. It's possible The Universe is infinite and where we live is akin to a small island in an ocean where all we see is water in every direction. From our perspective the world would be devoid of any life or intelligence besides us on the island despite NYC hosting 8+million souls. If our Observable Universe is only 0.0000000000000000000001% of the real universe, or less, than it's conceivable there are countless aliens outside our light cones and we will never even know they exist.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:45:20 UTC No. 16071775

>>16071763
I'm saying this attribute is probably not rare. That's what a reasonable guess is. Like it's probably not rare to be right in the middle of some bell curve. If there's a bell curve, I bet on the middle. It's you who is putting the edge under a microscope.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:51:49 UTC No. 16071784

>>16071774
>Unless there is a 100.00000000000001% chance The Great Filter kills ALL intelligent life before space colonization we would see many alien civilizations
I bet 0.0000000000001% of intelligent species are close enough to a nearby star that they are able to send a probe to it. There are probably dozens of civilizations that have sent interstellar probes! It's a lot more likely than colonization.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 10:53:18 UTC No. 16071785

>>16071784
Probing the star you are close to is stellar travel, not interstellar, probing a star in a completely different solar system that is not close to you is interstellar travel.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:02:05 UTC No. 16071796

>>16071785
Like they're in some loose binary system where a second star is less than 20,000 AU from them and they're realistically capable of sending a starshot

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:04:50 UTC No. 16071800

>>16071592
>Where are they?

There are no other technologically intelligent species... we are IT.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:08:36 UTC No. 16071802

>>16071796
No, interstellar means between solar systems. If you have two stars in the same solar system, so you don't have to leave your own solar system to prove either star, you haven't accomplished interstellar travel, you have just traveled to both of the stars in your solar system.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:10:12 UTC No. 16071804

>>16071784
Every planet orbits a star, except rouge planets. Are you suggesting aliens live on rouge planets not gravitationally tied to a star? Seeing as how all life on Earth derives base energy from The Sun(Sol) it would seem impossible for any life of any size to form on a planet/moon that is not orbiting a star.

Furthermore if we assume you mean exploring the closest nearby star OUTSIDE the home solar system then you are still incorrect.

>The average distance between two stars in the Milky Way is around 5 light-years, or 29 trillion miles (47 trillion kilometers), according to the National Radio Astronomy Observatory.

Even now we humans have the technology to travel that distance with modified generation ships. We can use Project Orion nuclear propulsion to travel to our own nearby star systems. It's not out of the question for humans to launch such a mission in the next 50-100 years. It's also a sure thing that any aliens would also learn about nuclear power/weapons and have this same ability. Again given the vast expanse of The Universe and the extremely long time lines we are dealing with even this slow form of travel would allow for colonization to a large degree given only 10-40 thousand years, a blink of a blink of an eye in the timeline of The Universe.

So now we have yet ANOTHER impossible solution, that all the aliens in The Universe are at the EXACT SAME level of development as humans and won't launch their Project Orion like craft until we do or maybe they just did last week. This seems impossible to put it lightly. We just keep coming up with statistically impossible results and theories that don't pass the smell test.

Prove to me picrel is "real" and not just AI generated data downloaded to computer....you can't.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:18:13 UTC No. 16071814

>>16071804
It turns out no alien species evolved the attention span orpolitical stability for generational ships

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:21:01 UTC No. 16071816

>>16071804
How much energy would it take to accelerate a self sustaining colony enough to leave the solar system

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:43:05 UTC No. 16071843

>>16071816
You don't physics much do you anon?

It would take as much energy as you have in a single exhalation of breath, less actually.

What you should ask is how much energy it takes to accelerate a self sustaining generation ship enough to leave our solar system and arrive at Y in X amount of years/generations. Dyson proposed a fusion bomb propulsion engine that could yield 10,000 km/sec.

The below wiki page shows an ark sized ship would be around 8 million tons and need over 1000 of the largest fusion bombs we can make. It's too complex a question for me to maths out the fuel load and usage to travel to a specific star system but you can read the wiki and look into it if you want. Let's just assume you need at least 1000 H bombs and don't forget you have to use some to slow down as well as speed up. Project Orion is still seriously talked about in the space schizo world and would be a better usage for nuclear weapons than we currently have. I encourage you to research it if you're interested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:58:56 UTC No. 16071863

>>16071816

>>16071843
Sorry I'm only online ranting about space because I can't sleep, had I read a bit more it would have told me Professor Dyson did my homework for me already, the GOAT.

>his paper
https://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/109.jvn.spring00/nuc_rocket/Dyson.pdf

>Slow and steady design to Alpha Centauri, also larger
1330 years

>Fastest model, generates 1g Earth gravity due to forward acceleration a theoretical max speed for humans to be comfy inside
133 years

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:01:00 UTC No. 16071867

>>16071843
Pretty sure exhaling would just change your orbital period some teeny amount

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:22:20 UTC No. 16071882

>>16071592
We will be the Old Ones.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:29:12 UTC No. 16071895

>>16071882
LMAO

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:32:45 UTC No. 16071901

>>16071867
Depends on where you start from.

@ 200 AU from the Sun you need 2.98 Km/s
@ 1774 AU from the Sun you need 1km/s

So yes anon, perhaps exhaling on the ship wouldn't yield 1km/s acceleration but you get the idea I hope.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:35:26 UTC No. 16071904

>>16071882
>be young new organism seeded by the Old Ones
>think oh wow the Old Ones must be gigabased and ultrasmart
>it was just a bunch of half retarded monkeys being silly and trying to fuck around on different planets for the lulz
One day they'll find us and ask us Oh Great Ones why did you create us? And we'll probably tell them lol it was an accident lmao

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:23:15 UTC No. 16072478

>>16071592
What do you mean "where are they?"

1) We haven't been looking for any substantial amount of time.
2) We haven't looked thoroughly anywhere. It's laughable we don't even know whether or not there's life on Venus or Mars.
3) We barely know anything about only a very few exoplanets' atmospheres with just moderate certainty. We couldn't detect pre-industrial aliens if we looked.
4) We don't even know what kinds of planets and stars are most likely to have life. Earth-like planets around sun-like stars could very well be rare, but it would mean fuckall if exomoons are where life usually finds a way.
5) We assume we'd see some bullshit 90s sci-fi crap we dreamed up, like Dyson Spheres. In reality, we have no reference for what a civilization more advanced than ours would look like. We don't have clue what to look for.
6) Aliens could be blasting us with detectable radio waves 24/7 and we'd just see noise if it's wide band and encrypted.
7) Even if we'd see obvious aliens, we'd more than likely call it a hoax. And we'd come up with 20 alternative explanations that don't involve aliens.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:57:26 UTC No. 16072554

>>16071592
There isn't any debate except you shitposting. Humans are the most advanced species in our light cone, maybe even without doing distance correction.

Star trek is fiction.

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Mar 2024 01:42:27 UTC No. 16073264

>>16072478
>we don't even know whether or not there's life on Venus or Mars.
LOL wrong, they had that figured out with Mariner 4.
Some people are still coping 60 years later. Life on mars is God of the gaps.