Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 17:34:48 UTC No. 16079530

>>16079506
existence is just the capacity to interact with you
you say space isnt real yet you interact with it, in the sense that your life would be different without space

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 17:54:08 UTC No. 16079567

>>16079506
You are approaching instrumentalism... Very good anon.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 18:07:00 UTC No. 16079587

>>16079506
Is not only you, there are several hints that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent. We need to embrace Math and discard all baseless interpretations to reach the Truth.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 22:55:53 UTC No. 16080141

>>16079506
>>But zero point energy and virtual particles
>They don't exist, that is popsci babble and has no experimental backing
the casimir effect is experimental backing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:01:29 UTC No. 16080147

>>16080141
the secret is to just ignore any inconvenient fact and act as if it doesn't even exist. especially if your story makes sense without it.

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 05:32:07 UTC No. 16080628

>>16080141
The casismir effect is just Van der Waals forces. It doesn't exist in a vacuum empty of mass and particles. It's a dumb popsci myth.

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 05:37:15 UTC No. 16080635

>>16079530
There are exactly 0 known measurable interactions with space today. Would my life be different if my monkey brain didn't imagine the concept of space as real tangible thing? Sure, but that has no bearing on anything.

0 at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 05:47:10 UTC No. 16080652

i think it is true but i see that u got a point....

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 05:48:08 UTC No. 16080653

>>16079506
space has a few measurable properties like vacuum permittivity

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:26:40 UTC No. 16080776

>>16080628
>vacuum empty of mass and particles
This doesn't exist, dumbass

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:29:20 UTC No. 16080780

>>16080776
1 cubic metre of vacuum has like 2-3 hydrogen atoms on average, the rest is empty. The empty regions are completely empty.

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:33:16 UTC No. 16080785

>>16080780
>The empty regions are completely empty.
.....no, no they are not.

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:35:04 UTC No. 16080789

>>16080785
Yes they 100% measurably are. Let me guess, you've read the popsci myth about virtual particles? They're not real, they don't spawn in the vacuum.

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:39:08 UTC No. 16080793

>>16080789
>Yes they 100% measurably are
How do you measure it when you don't have the instruments capable of doing it.
>They're not real, they don't spawn in the vacuum.
Nothing "spawns in the vacuum" the field of materia is already there, the reactions observed are just excitations of said materia.

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:01:26 UTC No. 16081042

>>16080628
There's a bunch of empirical evidence for it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy#Experimental_observations
Casimir effect can be formulated as a van der waals force, it doesn't mean a zero-point energy or virtual particles don't exist
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228392-700-light-pulled-out-of-empty-space/

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 16:12:25 UTC No. 16081384

>>16079506
Physical space is as "real" as the fractions of an image stored in a holographic unit, what Wilbert calls the holon

Locally, it's not real of course, but that doesn't take away from its practical/de facto realness

God really has outdone Himself with this one imo

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 16:26:05 UTC No. 16081405

>>16079587
>that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:51:24 UTC No. 16081893

>>16079506
This is what rational thinking leads too. Eventually you realize that nothing can be measured or observed without bias. Pythagoras figured out that the universe was inherently irrational 3000 years ago.

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 23:29:30 UTC No. 16082140

>>16081042
>empirical evidence
This nigga thinks he's on a science board