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Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 06:22:35 UTC No. 16080681
>Cellular automatons operate on a series of rules that are so complex that they seem to have a mind of their own
>The brain operates on a series of rules that are so complex that it seems to have a mind of its own
Consciousness is an illusion and it only seems to exist because we don't understand the complex rules of neurochemical interactions
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 06:24:23 UTC No. 16080685
The point of cellular automata is that the rules are SIMPLE yet give rise to complex behavior.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:38:45 UTC No. 16081337
>>16080681
>Consciousness is an illusion
"No!"
Consciousness is EM-based, and it's primary
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:41:37 UTC No. 16081342
>>16080681
actually consciousness is given to us by God. Imagine wanting to reject that gift in favor of being a literal npc lol
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 06:26:30 UTC No. 16082603
>>16080681
>its an illusion
who is it fooling then? retard.
s@ged
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 06:29:30 UTC No. 16082604
>>16081342
that's just inventing a fake problem and coming up with a lucrative (for you) solution
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 06:38:43 UTC No. 16082609
>>16080681
No, YOU'RE not conscious.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 06:52:58 UTC No. 16082621
>>16080681
Suppose f(x) is a basic counting function that we plug into g(y). The evaluation of the function is g(f(x)). We can pull arbitrary outputs from the void.
Consider the library of babel, where all possible phrases and such are stored. There are some phrases which are gated by well defined formulas to access them.
Now consider the library of babel actually exists and we can access arbitrary any page we want, at any time. There is no storage of it anywhere, but it remains accessible through the theoretical framework of its construction.
This is what consciousness is doing. For convenience, we will call this noosphere, though we keep this as a term separate from omniscient noosphere. It is the personal scope, P-sphere.
Now consider memory: a physical manifestation resulting from recursively accessing a P-sphere moment. That is, there was some P-sphere event and we are summoning it again into another P-sphere event.
Consider a stream of consciousness(verbal, visual, observational, etc) as a collection of recursive accesses. We are exploring the arbitrary space of the P-sphere.
We now have a framework of consciousness, a how of it all. The exact details of the mechanism and the why of it all are outside the scope of this post.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 06:54:58 UTC No. 16082625
>>16080681
Ah yes, the "furnish a defeater for every belief I hold, including this one" strategy.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 08:51:19 UTC No. 16082711
>>16080681
Prove it by killing yourself.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:01:49 UTC No. 16082862
It's funny how NPCs have an aggressive urge to let everyone know that they never experienced consciousness. A blind man can accept that other people can see. An NPC can never accept that others have consciousness and free will. He will violently deny it.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 02:44:29 UTC No. 16084040
>>16082862
Don't blind people see flashes of light, even if they don't originate from the eye?
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 02:50:02 UTC No. 16084049
>>16082862
>A blind man can accept that other people can see
Some will. Showing that the NPC is blinder than blind
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 02:53:42 UTC No. 16084056
>>16082711
once I can save my brainstate and tech to rebuild me exists, yeah. checkmate faggot
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:21:04 UTC No. 16084159
>>16084040
Yeah and people with no dick still feel phantom sex
>>16084056
>Once I question-beg I'll be right
Why can't you guys just do the star trek teleporter thread like the old shitposters did?
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:26:47 UTC No. 16084164
>>16084159
I mean it's a legit answer, from my point of view that's how it is. should I avoid talking about it because it's troubling for your views? I guess I could avoid it outside the teleporter thread.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:59:55 UTC No. 16084195
>>16084159
>Why can't you guys just do the star trek teleporter thread like the old shitposters did?
you do it. don't let your dreams be the work of others
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 06:01:18 UTC No. 16084267
>>16080681
> Cellular automatons operate on a series of rules that are so complex that they seem to have a mind of their own
> Posts image of the most simple automaton whose whole set of rules fits in 8 bits.
LMAO
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 06:13:43 UTC No. 16084284
>>16080818
duuuude, but the fractals man. have you even seen Joe Rogan?
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 06:14:47 UTC No. 16084287
>>16081342
God made a bunch of NPCs, the fact you think you’re above it just means you’re going to hell.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 13:41:20 UTC No. 16084757
>>16082621
consciousness may not be computational, consider that computational models of simple n-body dynamics turn chaotic, what of the convoluted interconnected neural dynamics?
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 14:23:11 UTC No. 16084795
>>16080685
Is it a cellular automaton or not?
Does it have a name or have I found some unexplored territory?
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 14:27:23 UTC No. 16084798
>>16084795
it happened to be some super complicated way to predict if the number is prime by building such table on the base of it.
Here's the same principle built up large, and as you can see the 2 and the 5 drawn upon one the other; such table on base say 11 look much more boring.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:35:18 UTC No. 16084873
>>16084757
The problem that offers insight into this is the consistency of access. Even when the neurons are doped with various novel compounds on first time exposure, the P-sphere is preserved. But this is a somewhat dramatic version.
Even on the moment-by-moment basis, P-sphere inexplicably retains structure. In an entropic form, the complexity of accesses should result in extreme variation - schizophrenia, hallucinations, etc. - rendering consciousness effectively impossible.
There is some encapsulation in the P-sphere. This could be hypothetically posited as the regulation of neural structures themselves, but I wouldn't say so. Likewise, it could be as some protocol regulation of the P-sphere. In the library of Babel example, this would be opening one page that points to its continuation. This is done by having segments of the page as encapsulation of the underlying story.
This is of course wildly problematic for the underpinnings of my P-sphere, because just as consciousness is impossibly summoned from the void, demons come along with it, controlling experience.
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 01:55:35 UTC No. 16085838
>>16084795
>>16084798
So it seems I did find something new. Okay, how do I publish it? Is it possible to publish something of the kind not being certified mathematician, and if not, why not?
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 02:02:37 UTC No. 16085851
>>16085838
You'll probably or might contact an affiliated mathematician or a recognized one in your field, or try your luck with peer review yourself
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 02:16:30 UTC No. 16085870
>>16085851
May some of you feel free to publish it. I contacted mathologer, the kike didn't even respond.
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 18:32:12 UTC No. 16086852
>>16085870
if you can manage to not be a sperg, you could try to contact matt parker
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 18:38:30 UTC No. 16086858
>>16085838
Submit an Arxiv preprint, submit for publication. Probably a good idea to ask an expert in your respective area prior to the latter step.
nice serpenski gasket.