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Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:14:10 UTC No. 16081231
I'm developing the idea for a science fiction project, mostly hard science fiction.
Keep the following in mind:
>It's a not-so-distant future where nothing like "stasis" tech exists.
>Humans have not created the technology to travel through space at extremely high (and convenient) speeds.
The point is that the story takes place inside a population transport ship, whose main module functions as a large terrarium. The current humans will not get to see the destination planet, perhaps their great-grandchildren.
What shape do you think that ship should be? I first thought that humans would inhabit something like the Halo rings with a central body. But that would take away some of the mystery, and would be too cliché. What if the humans inhabit the outer surface of the ring, and the rest of the ship would only be visible from the edges (it would take the viewer back to the old maps, where at a certain point the world ends)? What if we take it a bit further, and they inhabit a hollow sphere whose north and south ends are cut off by a cylinder to accommodate the body of the ship?
I would love to hear your suggestions.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:22:47 UTC No. 16081244
>>16081231
Read one of the dozen better written generation ship stories for inspiration instead of posting this here.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:12 UTC No. 16081257
>>16081244
I appreciate the reference. I will check it out right now.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:35:32 UTC No. 16081258
>>16081244
>instead of posting this here.
Why not? I thought it was an interesting question.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:11:31 UTC No. 16081309
>>16081231
>What if the humans inhabit the outer surface of the ring
I'm confused, what? There's no practical way to generate artificial gravity facing the center of the ring.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 16:18:22 UTC No. 16081395
>>16081231
Lacking imagination. Why do what was done before?
have you considered transporting them in a hemispherical fish bowl with giant ice walls?
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 18:03:43 UTC No. 16081588
Maybe shake it up by changing the orientation of the classic generational ship from the big living tube being aligned lengthwise down the spine of the ship with the instead have multiple tubes branching off the central ship spine like leaves on a branch? That could lead to a situation where it’s possible to expand the length of the tubes over the many-generations period of time of the flight to accommodate population growth. Maybe different tubes on the ships get into wars with one another over their tubes, ie, someone on tube A decides it would be a lot better to take a part of tube B rather than trying to expand tube A (ie maybe it got damaged in a space collision or something). It could be a story of how one actually invades another tube on the ship. Is there anyone whose job it is to make sure the central ship isn’t screwed with? Has safeguards been evaded somehow during the long journey? Lots of options open up if you change the configuration of the ship IMO.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 18:22:54 UTC No. 16081610
>>16081231
>idea for a science fiction project
The next muuh mammals flying through emptiness to nowhere. Why was Cpt. Nemo so much better as that wagies im Weltall BS?
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 18:53:25 UTC No. 16081683
>>16081588
Thanks for the suggestions, this is not too far from some of the concepts I had in mind.
I want to emphasize that the ship is a pretext, an environment from which there is no escape possible. I find it interesting to talk about the evolution of a society that shares the same genesis, how different set of moral values lead to different outcomes, and how these evolve over time, repeating inherently human behaviors (the usual pretentious stuff). If I had to compare it to something, it would be the core concepts of "Legend of the Galactic Heroes".
>>16081395
But of course!
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:26:44 UTC No. 16081749
>>16081683
If you went with an oblong circular type setup with the “ends” chopped off to fit in the ship — which part of the habitat would be best to live in? The center band of the circle which maintains the best gravity level and flattest “land”. This is where the people who originally funded, designed and began the space arc project and their future generations get to live — they were first so they got first pick. Ie, US and European investors, government figures, scientists, engineers, etc. The next band up the sphere are where the huge numbers of workers brought in by the founders to actually construct the ship — maybe getting a spot was a part of the deal, or they got a discounted ticket, etc and maybe the most important workers like the managers, true-believing volunteers, friendly union leaders etc got the very best slice closest to the center band. The end bands would have the the worst gravity, limited space, poorest building surface etc and these were for lottery winners from all over the world — maybe as a political deal to get government funding, maybe to make sure the Earth’s population was better represented on the new world. Now because the center-band people are in the center, all commerce and travel going from one side of the sphere to the other must go through the Center, which means the Center can control / tax all that commerce. The right side and left sides of the sphere may end up developing different cultures and politics as a result. Everyone wants into the Center and the Center has to deal with that constant pressure, and the End bands (Enders, Bad Ends, etc) are constantly trying to push inwards to relieve growing population pressure and escape poor conditions there. Maybe the Center has the tallest buildings thanks to their better gravity / land giving them that extra visual flare of elitism, ie, looking out over the lesser lands while also looking like an impassable castle from the perspective of people at the Ends.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:55:02 UTC No. 16081803
>>16081231
Oh? You think you can claw above us plebs and achieve some worldly ''success'', eh? Not content mingling with the hoi polloi? Gotta get some of that irl namefag glory, eh? Fuck you. Get back down here.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:42:29 UTC No. 16081865
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:45:37 UTC No. 16081871
>>16081231
that pretty much is not going to happen like that because it doesn't really make sense. I call it primitive scifi
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Mar 2024 20:59:42 UTC No. 16081911
>>16081749
This makes sense, and I appreciate the fact that you have thought of several possible scenarios. It is a pretty valid answer. That said, I don't know if I'm 100% comfortable with the idea of previously established hierarchies ruling the destiny of future humans.
>>16081803
I love you too, mate.
>>16081865
Touché.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 03:41:02 UTC No. 16082429
>>16081309
We will swing on the monkey bars ^w^
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:32:37 UTC No. 16083242
>>16081231
>I would love to hear your suggestions.
This kind of story has been done a thousand times - if you're going to go forward with it, you're going to need to make a considerable effort to make it stand out and be something novel.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 19:13:32 UTC No. 16083346
>>16081244
Taking into account the current state of /sci/ and the more-than-average effort of OP then this thread is ok.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 19:15:21 UTC No. 16083348
>>16082429
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Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 19:21:25 UTC No. 16083356
>>16083348
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Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 23:20:04 UTC No. 16083755
>>16083242
I'll try to do my best. Thanks.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Mar 2024 23:22:39 UTC No. 16083759
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Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 02:07:26 UTC No. 16083994
You are building a generation ship and the two big issues are interstellar radiation and the need for 1g of gravity. This means you will need a radiation shield at the front most part of the ship. From my research the best option is a huge reservoir of water as water is an excellent radiation shield and one of if not the most important resources for deep space survival. How will you take the radiation out of the water to drink it? Don't know but I'll look into it at a later date. Could be easy, could be hard. Even if it's not drinkable water it is still the best option. As for gravity you can either spin the ship or better yet achieve enough acceleration to gain 1g from that alone. The ship must be a long tube behind the water shield in this case. If it's gravity via angular motion you use than the radiation shield must also cover the large profile of the ship with extending rotating rings. The ship will look like a cock with the front radiation shield in the shape of a semishpere with a more narrow tube behind it. If you have rotating rings for gravity it will look slightly less like a cock but still cock like.
From my research interstellar radiation is a HUGE issue and could very likely limit or stop any interstellar travel. Trying to live outside 1g gravity is a big issue as well. Unless you can solve both these issues you can not survive in space and it's possible we can not solve these issues. They say the radiation and low gravity on Mars will prevent human reproduction alone, deep space is much worse. If you can't reproduce you can't have a generation ship, simple as.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 07:00:11 UTC No. 16084352
>>16083994
There’s many, many technical challenges to be faced. Is there just enough fuel to accelerate up to 0.1c or whatever and to stop? If so what if they need to change course or stop short for whatever reason? Is the extra mass for fuel even possible? Can you gather fuel on the way? How do you deal with the decay of materials exposed to the fantastic energy levels needed to reach 0.1c? Where do the inhabitants get resources in a completely closed-loop system? Micro-impacts at 0.1c would go straight through dense armor plating, how are those mitigated? If being subjected to relativistic needle-punctures just has to be a fact of life how do the inhabitants deal with / manage it? Can the gravity centrifuges be shut down and what are the consequences of doing so? Will there need to be large-scale machinery required to refurbish links like solar sails, shields, thrust chambers, etc and if so where / how are they stored, how do they access the parts of the ship they need to access? How do they deal with viral mutations / new diseases in a closed system? How is food managed in a closed system, ie, there’s no such thing as just "making more" on the ship, more food would necessitate taking away from something else — and the same goes for all critical resources. Etc and so on.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 07:25:53 UTC No. 16084394
>>16081231
Something that's somewhat radially symmetrical (reduces distance utilities need to travel).
>>16083994
>water shielding
Will vaporize the second it gets exposed to the void. Z-shielding (many layers of different metals) would be more robust
>radiation shield at the front most part of the ship
How would you decelerate if all your shielding is at the front and thrusters are to the rear? If you rotate such that your thrusters are decelerating the craft, you're exposing everyone inside to radiation
>>16084352
Easy, freeze everyone so automated systems handle the journey, and send hundreds of colony ships to each major target, at least a few will probably survive
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 07:43:42 UTC No. 16084415
>>16081231
This is a common theme, but the reason it has never been fully fleshed out is really that it makes no sense. The ship is your home at that point, and while you may decide to move it somewhere else, it's just you living in your home, that happens to be getting moved somewhere for whatever reason.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:02:07 UTC No. 16084828
>>16083994
>>16083994
Physics anon gets it.
The water-tipped cock is a good idea. Have it rotate so that 1g is not necessary, as it is not achievable with near future tech anyway.
>>16084394
>Vaporization
It would be contained in tanks.
>Deceleration
Use superconductors to blow a giant magnetic bubble around the ship to act as a ballute. Works best with a young, magnetically active star that spews a lot of plasma, like epsilon eridani.
A magnetic field can also protect against radiation. A wide magnetic field is most easily generated when the coil radius is large, i.e. the ship is ring shaped, although this is not ideal for water shielding as cock-anon noted.
An option for dust is to have Whipple shields (thin layers of solar sail material) floating ahead of the ship, which will turn dust particles into plasma, which can then be deflected by the magnetic field.
Good luck anon.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:06:16 UTC No. 16084832
The magnetic ballute effectively doubles the speed that can be achieved, because deceleration is free. Only works for certain stars.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:07:49 UTC No. 16084834
Centauri-dreams.org is a good site to read about interstellar travel, exoplanets, aliens and related topics.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 23:16:29 UTC No. 16085661
I have received more responses than expected, for which I thank you, guys!
>>16083994
>>16084352
I am saving this post because I think the considerations you offer are very relevant. I am ashamed to say that I had not yet considered the dangers of radiation.
>>16084394
>>16084828
>>16084832
I will carefully review and digest this information. There are many concepts that I do not fully understand, and I would like to be respectful of the effort it has taken you to respond to me. Thank you.
>>16084415
I get what you mean, but the idea is that the ship's destination is predetermined from the start. It's not a car, but a train.
>>16084834
I'll check it, thanks!
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 04:48:41 UTC No. 16086023
>>16085661
You can also check out projectrho.com
Lots of rocket and ship designs