🧵 Entropy
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 13:22:19 UTC No. 16086467
Why is there chaos when there was once order? Expansion? Is spacetime itself changing since the universe began? Or is it all relative?
Barkon at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 13:24:25 UTC No. 16086472
Consequence.
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 14:12:27 UTC No. 16086529
>>16086467
It's moving from an unlikely state (order) to the most likely state (chaos)
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 14:52:41 UTC No. 16086584
The real question is why did the universe start out in an extremely low entropy state to begin with? The most likely option would've been a start that already had high entropy. What mechanism could've dumped energy in that nearly perfectly ordered configuration?
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:02:11 UTC No. 16086590
the real answer is we don't know.
entropy is a well documented explanation/prediction of observable phenomenon we experience every day.
it explains "how it was and how it will be"
it's not an explanation of "why"
if you want a "why" you need a philosopher.
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:06:19 UTC No. 16086592
>>16086590
When people ask "why", they generally mean "what mechanism is behind this?". I hate people trying to stifle discussion with that shitty rhetoric.
>We can't ask questions and speculate bro we just can't!
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:12:24 UTC No. 16086598
>>16086592
why does gravity exist then smart boy?
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:15:09 UTC No. 16086602
>>16086598
I don't know the mechanism behind gravity
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:20:31 UTC No. 16086609
>>16086602
that would be the how, i asked why. let's not redefine words. OP asked "why" i answered. he even defined his question using a breif explanation of the mechanism, so he already vaguely knew "how".
your argument was either not made in good faith or you're not aware of how conversations work.
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:24:33 UTC No. 16086613
>>16086609
Ok the "why" would be: Because there exists an underlying mechanism for gravity. Now we can go further back in some sort of causal chain but that is the "why".
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:27:27 UTC No. 16086615
>>16086613
i can support that answer. proud of you.
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:36:40 UTC No. 16086624
>>16086467
>Why
Continually asking why gets us nowhere you know that right? We have our modern technology by asking why when we can get to a solid foundation, and then using said foundation to our advantage. Eventually if we don't get a solid foundation we get into metaphysics, where there simply are no answers to be given. Sure ask away but just know that a deep question that lurks in the metaphysical world like "Why Entropy?" has no better answer then "because that's the way the world works". If we did find a solid answer like "because conservation laws" or something, then the next question is "Why conservation laws" and we are back at square one. This is the infinite regress of "why".
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:40:04 UTC No. 16086628
>>16086624
asking why is still valuable. it helps is find those deep questions we don't know the answers to. knowing what you don't know is the first step to finding out.
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:21:17 UTC No. 16086672
>>16086624
>infinite regress of 'why'
Not really. We could end up at a point when all things are solved or explained, down to the lowest form of energy. Just living in a sort of "mystery" universe where you only understand some, or most, of the mechanisms, isn't really any better than if we just asked why. Some people are limited by time, sure, but the division of labour means we should be able to question or ask why some phenomena or laws exist.
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:52:00 UTC No. 16086713
>>16086467
Entropy as 'disorder' is not what is actually meant, we mean the thermodynamic property of entropy.
Translating entropy to 'disorder' requires an information theory you're probably not familiar with and would probably say "that's not what I meant" or "That's not what I wish the thermodynamic laws would say"
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 17:24:37 UTC No. 16086756
>>16086713
I thought it meant that energy and matter would be dispersed as evenly as possible until it was cold, and no heat would excite anything anymore.
"Chaos" just means the random nature of the universe's energy dispersing from a central point, in all directions.
Barkon !otRmkgvx22 at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 17:32:55 UTC No. 16086770
Consciousness, or more accurately, Consc.
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 17:52:50 UTC No. 16086793
>>16086770
[math]y=\frac{e^{x}+e^{-x}}{2}[/mat
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 17:59:43 UTC No. 16086802
It looks more like the universe has negentropy rather than entropy. It used to just be a blob of energy that expanded into a huge cloud of gas and now everything is much neater with things organized into galaxies and solar systems and planets etc
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Mar 2024 19:31:07 UTC No. 16086926
>>16086770
Meds now
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:22:01 UTC No. 16087988
>>16086802
Could we say that negentropy still needs entropy to have any definition? We can't have one thing without the other as a relation.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:39:45 UTC No. 16088010
>>16086467
"Chaos" and "order" are two sides of the same holistic coinage, as are entropy and negentropy
All is God and God is all
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:05:52 UTC No. 16088037
>16088010
>/x/ word salad
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