Anonymous at Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:39:37 UTC No. 16089664

>>16089551
> Wouldn't the Great Filter most likely be a hyperobject, such as the Sun's lifespan and eventual death, killing all life in the solar system?
It’s probably communism, poor people, government corruption, dumbass NASA bureaucrats wasting money on “science” instead of profit-driven ventures, endless warfare, etc.
Literally the same things that have kept humanity from conquering our own solar system and eventually spreading in our galaxy.
Imagine how advanced humanity would be if we spent $30,000,000,000,000 on space ventures instead of war, poor people, and old people.

Anonymous at Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:55:08 UTC No. 16089691

>>16089551
>>16089551
Leftism is the great filter.
The next step after Industrialisation is Eugenics.
Leftism prevents it causing breakdown of civilisation due to dysgenic pressures in social, political and economic affairs.

Anonymous at Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:58:11 UTC No. 16089697

>>16089664
Eugenics and genetic engineering is more important than Space Exploration.
Infact if Eugenics had been implemented, there is a chance that space exploration would have never plateaued.

Anonymous at Thu, 21 Mar 2024 18:30:42 UTC No. 16089723

>>16089551
>climate change, globalist capitalism, plastic pollution, the destruction of biodiversity and ecosystems
>globalist capitalism

This sounds a bit schizo. I agree about some of the environment stuff, but most of that will probably be solved with technology, and that technology will be a product of modern global capitalism. The problem today isn't globalization or capitalism. That's just a convenient boogeyman for the populist right, and the real problem is literally the complete opposite. It's the growth of populism and the anti-science movement that we need to be worried about. Climate change can be addressed, but only if we take it seriously and with global leader in politics, science, and industry to address the problem and solve it. If anything, it will require trust and support for our interconnected global economic system to be able to address these issue. We need to work together bothas a nation and as a planet. Rejecting globalization, modern technology, or liberal values will only make those problems worse, not better.

Anonymous at Thu, 21 Mar 2024 19:04:57 UTC No. 16089760

>>16089723
The specific wording is overly buzzword-y but I think the general point is sound. The world's current economic system (which might be loosely described as global capitalism) involves a lot of negative environmental externalities. Better technology might make particular externalities less important, but it's hard to imagine how it could eliminate them entirely. Rejecting globalization and technology definitely won't help, it'll just make whatever countries choose to do that get steamrolled by the ones who don't, but at some point we're going to have to bite the bullet and admit that there's a limit to how much tolerance "liberal values" can have for fouling the global life support systems.

Anonymous at Thu, 21 Mar 2024 19:23:54 UTC No. 16089800

>>16089760
>>16089723
the only example of a moderately successful state which calls itself communist happens to be half commie and half capitalist. China has, somehow, done far worse for the environment than anyone else in the region, and they even manage to pollute more than the Americans. If you think capitalism has a pollution problem, I suggest you take a closer look at its alternatives, because they would be worse. All economic systems dig holes that they cannot hope to escape from.

Anonymous at Thu, 21 Mar 2024 19:51:58 UTC No. 16089852

>>16089551
Fermi "Paradox" and the Great Filter concept all rely on an assumption that primitive life must be somewhat common in the universe, but we have no evidence for any life existing anywhere but Earth. So to say that the reason we haven't encountered any extraterrestrial intelligent life is some kind of filtering event is extremely presumptuous.

Anonymous at Thu, 21 Mar 2024 19:56:59 UTC No. 16089856

>>16089852
Anon, you need to learn your history. The fermi paradox was conceived of in the 50s, when the universe was thought to be of infinite size and duration. Hence
>if the universe has existed for an infinite amount of time, why hasn't the whole vicinity around us already been colonized by aliens?

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:36:50 UTC No. 16090385

>>16089723
>Climate change can be addressed, but only if we take it seriously and with global leader in politics, science, and industry to address the problem and solve it.

Wow, I wonder if there's currently a reason why those global leaders aren't addressing the issue right now. Maybe they're financially incentivized to do so? Could that possibly be a result of global capitalism and mega corporations influencing their policy making decisions?

Yeah, global capitalism is not the correct tool for fighting large hyperobjects like climate change and environmental damage, because it's entirely driven by (relatively) short term profit. And as of right now, there's more short term profit to be made fucking everyone over than solving long term issues. That's just business.

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:42:28 UTC No. 16090391

the overwhelming bulk of pollution is due to forces nobody can really control, imposed by the environment and game theory. it is the obligatory energetic sacrifice to Moloch. it is not optional, it must happen. that's the way it goes.
the only thing that can be done about it is to make a political shitshow around it and blame it on the cattle (quite literally cattle farts)

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:49:11 UTC No. 16090398

>>16089800
An eco-fascist holocaust is unironically the only short term solution that would work to rapidly stop almost a century's worth of damage to the environment. If you think I'm kidding, remember the coronavirus lockdowns and how their was an immediately positive environmental impact? Emissions were slashed, animals and ecosystems recovered practically overnight and pollution halted. That was just from keeping people indoors and reducing traveling, imagine that cranked up to 100. Add some plastic eating microbes to clean the oceans and some biodiversity recovery programs and the whole issue gets fixed in like 50 years tops. But it will never happen because humans are the least altruistic species on the plant, and would rather shoot their neighbors for looking at them funny than lay down their life to save millions. The next global pandemic can't come quickly enough.

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:55:07 UTC No. 16090406

>>16090398
90% of pollution will still happen with 90% less humans on the planet.

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 05:05:39 UTC No. 16090595

>>16089664
Yea because it would be so much greater if we just threw all our resources into some vast void instead of using them to benefit the people.

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 07:17:05 UTC No. 16090708

>>16089856
>If numbers are infinite, why doesn't every whole number consist of an infinite string of fractional values?

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 14:53:40 UTC No. 16091094

>>16089664
FPBP
The Great Filter is a bunch of Jews deciding they would rather rule a nigger-cattle feedlot than share the Universe.

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 16:07:31 UTC No. 16091197

>>16089723
Do you think just because liberalism and post-industrial capitalism was beneficial for a stretch of time t (say, 200 years), that this also means it will be forever beneficial, regarding the future of the human species 10 000 years into the future?
For example, if this capitalism birthed killbot androids in 100 years. But for some reason, this would not happen under some semi-luddite feudal system. Why would I be per se and a priori be against the statement "let's adopt such a feudal system"? (Note the lack of a fixating time variable, i.e. I could say "let's adopt it tomorrow", or "let's adopt it only 5 years before the killbots are rolled out")

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 18:01:17 UTC No. 16091319

> the destruction of biodiversity and ecosystems

honestly, this has to do with - the fact that things are all dynamic and not dynamic at the same time leading to variability of the great filter itself. meaning, it could be anything that is the great filter, such as pregnancy, abortion, or even something completely random. but we must give room for these things to rise elsewise science halted.

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 18:10:32 UTC No. 16091331

>>16091319

furthermore, we can assume that all things can be mined leading to greater diversity overall at the cost of initial efficacy.

simply put

A + B = C

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 18:15:40 UTC No. 16091338

>>16091331

yes, that which has no substance enters where is no space - thus determining the great filter ...

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 18:16:42 UTC No. 16091340

>>16091338
the great filter sets itself

Anonymous at Fri, 22 Mar 2024 18:17:45 UTC No. 16091342

>>16091340

then after the meta is set we can apply our transactions which lead to our societieis ... but yes what dangerous work!

Anonymous at Sat, 23 Mar 2024 05:52:58 UTC No. 16092191

>>16089551
All things that you mentioned did not filter us so far so its reasonable to think it should be something else. I wouldn't expect it to be something trivial that's for sure since one civilization might be smarter and quicker to act than the other. For something to stop them all, it must be something like we've never seen before and likely something we cannot see coming. There are things like relativistic jets that we clearly have no chance of defending against, but I find it very unlikely that every single civilization would happen to have one on its way early enough. Maybe there is one civilization that was there first and removes all the others, but if that's the case, they seem to leave little trace of their activity.

Anonymous at Sat, 23 Mar 2024 19:02:43 UTC No. 16092945

>>16089551
Would you click a youtube video that said we will all die out from plastics in the water sterilizing men and turning them to trannies or the one about nukes ending the world over night? Maybe you would pick the first but an avg bozo clicks the most attention grabbing one every time.

Anonymous at Sat, 23 Mar 2024 19:34:39 UTC No. 16092995

>>16092191
it can be something that every civilization though about avoiding as well, but couldn't in the end.