Anonymous at Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:24:11 UTC No. 16098148

>>16098137
Why do doctors have to work so much. Why cant you just work 40 hours a week. Given how much money doctors make you would think they could get away with working 20 hours a week and still make more than enough money.
Who gives a fuck if hospitals need doctors? If theres a shortage that would in theory only give doctors more leverage in negotiations.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:59:28 UTC No. 16098194

>>16098148
6 figures is no longer enough to buy a home. ("The housing market is so unaffordable that buyers need to make nearly $115K to afford the average home, Redfin says—that’s $40k more than average earnings
"https://fortune.com/2023/10/18/how-bad-housing-market-affordability-redfin-115000-salary/)

Doctors in the USA work alot because that's just how it is. We are discouraged legally, culturally, and in other ways from unionizing (unlike nurses). We compete with the encroach of mid-level providers (nurse practitioners/etc) as well as compete for residency spots with amazing applicants from both MD grads, DO grads, and International Medical graduates.

There is a shortage because most grads don't apply into the sectors with major shortages (pediatricians/family medicine doctors) because the shortage leads to more hours worked, for less pay, comparatively. Often, without any choice in location. Pediatricians for example, average around 150-190k and work 50-60 hours weekly.


I don't come from money. My dad kicked me out at 18 because I wanted to go to college and he thought i was stupid. So I've been homeless since undergrad. Only difference now is I can sleep & shower in the hospital, which is a lot comfier. My wife is doing her residency is another state, she has a similar situation but is an orphan form a car accident. The goal of medicine is not upwards mobility. It's providing competent service to keep society running. And of course, make the hospital or CEOs a bit richer. So pay is variable and most docs are somewhat underpaid given the amount of school, debt, and hours. I have around 300k debt (with scholarships mind you).

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Mar 2024 21:19:36 UTC No. 16098216

>>16098148
>Why do doctors have to work so much. Why cant you just work 40 hours a week

surgeons are not the same as regular doctors
>>16098137
no medical people except schizos make posts on 4chan. unrionically i would post on reddit
that said, family med is still piss easy even for DOs with multiple board failures. you'll still have your pick of programs
you don't need to listen to reddit either and do "rural unopposed" to make money. you'll make far more running your own concierge business

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Mar 2024 22:35:53 UTC No. 16098324

>>15833839
>Reminder: /sci/ is for discussing topics pertaining to science and mathematics, not for helping you with your homework or helping you figure out your career path.

>If you want advice regarding college/university or your career path, go to /adv/ - Advice.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 04:27:19 UTC No. 16098813

>>16098194
>Often, without any choice in location. Pediatricians for example, average around 150-190k and work 50-60 hours weekly.
Holop so if a pediatrician says he wants to work 40 hours a week the hospital would refuse, say its either 0 or 60?
>>16098216
>surgeons are not the same as regular doctors
So what are the reasons they have to work hard? What if s surgeon says "well sorry but im only doing one surgery a week, consider yourself lucky to have me"?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 05:27:54 UTC No. 16098853

>>16098137
Move to Europe.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 05:36:23 UTC No. 16098866

>>16098813
That's right. Hospitals negotiate a set number of hours to work in a year, this number is a lot higher than the amount of 8 hour shifts a regular person works in a year, so the only way to meet them is to do wards on weekends and nights. A night ward is 16 hours while the compensation time they give you the next day is 8 hours so the hospital gets away with assigning you a net of 16 hours per day (considering you work 24 hours straight and let you rest the daily 8 hour shift of the next day).

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 05:38:52 UTC No. 16098868

>>16098866
Ah, I forgot to mention, 24 hours in paper. If there's an emergency you can add up to 4 hour unpaid overtime in heavy stress. Maybe more.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 07:48:48 UTC No. 16098979

>>16098194
>I don't come from money. My dad kicked me out at 18 because I wanted to go to college and he thought i was stupid. So I've been homeless since undergrad. Only difference now is I can sleep & shower in the hospital, which is a lot comfier.
I don't have any advice for you because I'm just an incoming medical student but I just wanted to say that it's impressive that you've gone into medical school despite your financial disadvantages. So many medical students already come from money. Do you still have a relationship with your father?