Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:04:19 UTC No. 16099320

What have you tried?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:05:56 UTC No. 16099322

>>16099320
Depression and anxiety meds (not specifically for that, though)
Some meditation, although I admit this could be explored much more
Philosophy

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:14:12 UTC No. 16099331

>>16099319
Research NDEs or engross yourself in nihilism

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:18:20 UTC No. 16099335

>>16099319
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhQGzeiYS_Q&t=45

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:21:49 UTC No. 16099341

>>16099319
By realizing that you are just using the fear of something abstract and formless as a crutch to avoid confronting concrete reality and your fear of being an actual living body in a cold hard world.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:25:38 UTC No. 16099345

>>16099341
Sounds plausible. Okay, so how do I get rid/cope with THAT fear?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:33:37 UTC No. 16099358

>>16099319
Try not thinking about it

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:36:22 UTC No. 16099363

>>16099358
>just turn your brain off bro
Has this been peer reviewed?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:37:21 UTC No. 16099365

>>16099358
It works about 90% of the time or more. The issue is the remaining 10% where it doesn't.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:40:17 UTC No. 16099369

If you just died then you wouldn't have to fear it anymore.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:42:31 UTC No. 16099372

>>16099369
That sounds pretty scientific

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:44:29 UTC No. 16099373

>>16099345
Set goals, plot plans, act accordingly, review results, repeat.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:50:31 UTC No. 16099378

>>16099322
Try meds like NSI-189 that specifically grow the amygdala.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:04:20 UTC No. 16099393

>>16099319
You already managed to exist at minimum one time so far. That means the probability of you existing is greater than 0.
Before and after now,an infinite amount of (standardised) time passed.
Thus, it is entirely in the realm of possibilities and even likely that at some point your sentience will reform in some way. Likely with a 'wiped' memory though,just like this time you started existing. And with no guarantee of being a creature of comparable intellect.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:19:04 UTC No. 16099405

>>16099393
It's not "my" sentience if it's wiped. What makes it me at this point?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:32:39 UTC No. 16099420

>>16099393
Counting from 0 on allows each value to appear exactly once despite infinite amount of values to be passed in the process. Why would you ever encounter the exact same number ever again if its just an infinite process playing out?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:01:12 UTC No. 16099444

>>16099405
So you weren't you in all the situations you simply don't remember?

>>16099420
Why do you think it is more accurate to compare the universe with counting from 0 to infinity than using probabilities for certain events?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:03:36 UTC No. 16099449

>>16099444
It doesn't matter if I was, it's not 1 or 0, more like N/A. Essentially death. The only reason why I am not dead is that there are other moments I do remember, thus the chain of continuity of existence. The moment this chain is broken, that's it. And yes, a total memory wipe like in Men in Black is ontologically the same as death for me at this point in time.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:06:20 UTC No. 16099456

>>16099319
ruin your own life to the point death looks preferable.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:08:31 UTC No. 16099460

>>16099444
Your argument was based on an "infinite amount of (standardised) time" and the idea of an infinite amount of time is derived from the boundless count which never actually reproduces the same number because of any probability.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:09:53 UTC No. 16099461

>>16099319
Realize that "death" is just your atoms being reorganized in a certain way that your organs stop functioning the way they do. Scientifically speaking.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:10:47 UTC No. 16099463

>>16099460
The number line is infinite, like time
However, the amount of matter in space is not

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:17:33 UTC No. 16099471

>>16099463
Irrelevant, (You) is not just some amount of matter.

I would be interested in knowing how much matter you think there is and how many possible combinations that leads to in order to estimate some average amount of time you are saying it would take to repeat the entire existence of (You).

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:29:33 UTC No. 16099482

Now, Ānanda, one who says: “feeling is my self” should be told:
“There are three kinds of feelings, friend: pleasant, painful, and
neither pleasant not painful. Which of the three do you consider
to be your self?” When a pleasant feeling is felt, no painful or
neither pleasant not painful feelings is felt, but only pleasant
feelings. When a painful feelings is felt, no pleasant or neither
pleasant not painful feeling is felt, but only a painful feeling. And
when a neither pleasant not painful feeling is felt, no pleasant or
painful feeling.
A pleasant feeling is impermanent, conditioned, dependently
arisen, bound to decay, to vanish, to fade away, to cease – and so
too is a painful feeling and a neither pleasant not painful feeling.
So anyone who, on experiencing a pleasant feeling, thinks, “This
is my self,” must, at the cessation of that pleasant feeling think:
“My self has gone!” and the same with a painful and a neither
pleasant not painful feeling. Thus whoever thinks: “feeling is my
self” is contemplating something in this present life that is
impermanent, a mixture of happiness and unhappiness, subject to
arising and passing away. Therefore it is not fitting to maintain:
“feeling is my self.” (DN 15 ii66-7).

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:30:46 UTC No. 16099485

>>16099319
The energy/matter making the computation that is you will persist eternally, it will just make different computations that are equally complex after you're gone. It will be unimaginably different but it will be equivalently complex.

2kg of hydrogen gas and 2kg of human brain both make computations of equivalent complexity.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:47:44 UTC No. 16099508

In the Buddha’s teaching, “the self” is a presumption (maññita), a cognitive
fabrication (saṅkhāra) that we conceive and then take as real. The Buddha had
a low regard for presumption:
Presumption is a disease, presumption is a tumor, presumption is
a dart. By overcoming all presumptions, bhikkhu, one is called a
sage at peace. And the sage at peace is not born, does not age,
does not die; he is not shaken and does not yearn. For there is
nothing present in him by which he might be born.
(MN 140 iii246)

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:54:57 UTC No. 16099514

>>16099319
Death is the worst thing that can happen to life, refuse to cope.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:12:16 UTC No. 16099538

>>16099508
>the Buddha’s teaching
Reading words on a screen does not structurally change one's mind. Only a mind-blowing experience can solve our recurrent anxiety.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:15:59 UTC No. 16099541

>>16099319
find out more abt cosmos and how vast it is

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:30:46 UTC No. 16099573

at most death is the loss of your information, from outside perspective. from yours who tf knows. theoretically after you "die" here you should experience whatever is possible for you. no matter how far away in the future. if possible. I think that's what the cryo crowd is trying to accomplish.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 18:12:33 UTC No. 16099628

>>16099319
You can stop fearing entirely if you get your amygdala surgically removed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalotomy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M._(patient)

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 18:15:39 UTC No. 16099633

>>16099514
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-techies-wet-dreams

> The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased.[22] Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive;[23] consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-propagating systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire[24] is nothing but a pipe-dream.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 18:25:56 UTC No. 16099646

>>16099633
>and human minds uploaded into machines,
hate to break it to you but he doesn't really understand that subject. humans won't ever be ran in digital space, apart from academic or research reasons. it's extremely expensive. you're barely getting jack shit from whatever country you live in, no way you'll get the required hardware and energy to what..."be happy"? that's so fucking retarded you have no fucking idea

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 23:23:29 UTC No. 16100186

>>16099449
>And yes, a total memory wipe like in Men in Black is ontologically the same as death for me at this point in time.
So to you people who are brain damaged and basically forget everything they ever experienced should be assigned a new identity, despite them having verifiably done things with what basically is the same sentient existence?
>>16099460
An infinite amount of time passes, sure - that you can count. But how do you map the dimension of time to matter, which is constantly being changed and molded? Especially when considering whacky shit like quantum physics.
>>16099646
>humans won't ever be ran in digital space
With the value of digital twinning there is a huge incentive to try to upload peoples brains. It's likely gonna be a deep copy though, so if you somehow manage to get that copy to be sentient it'll likely be a separate entity.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 00:01:26 UTC No. 16100248

>>16099319
Start hating life

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 00:08:29 UTC No. 16100256

There are organizations researching a cure for aging, effectively leading to the possibility of immortality. If you want to support anti-aging research, you can donate.

https://www.levf.org/

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 00:19:08 UTC No. 16100275

listen to Alan Watts lectures

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 00:32:05 UTC No. 16100290

>>16099646
>it's extremely expensive. you're barely getting jack shit from whatever country you live in
Start saving money for it then, retard? Did you think the government was gonna pay for uploading millions of Mbungus? LOL

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 05:01:38 UTC No. 16100597

>>16099319
get close to dying like 10 times and you wont give a shit afterwards

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 05:57:16 UTC No. 16100658

>>16100597
I can confirm this isn't true. I give a shit, but in like a petty way where I want to live as long as possible just to spite the Reaper and when I eventually go out I'll be flipping him the bird with both hands if I have any sort of warning.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 06:18:22 UTC No. 16100679

>>16100186
>With the value of digital twinning there is a huge incentive to try to upload peoples brains.
listen you fucking imbeciles, make the distinction between uploading to a different media for storage, in non-active form, and being active in a digital world. these two are not the same, and imply wildly different things
so tired of your retarded childish idiotic takes that are not even your fucking own ideas because you don't understand jack shit about jack shit you primitive scared apes

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 06:23:13 UTC No. 16100683

>>16099319
lexapro

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 07:57:16 UTC No. 16100810

>>16100658
sounds like you dont fear death anymore

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:38:01 UTC No. 16101352

fearing death is silly as it going to happen whether you want to or not.
planning to attempt to avoid the long drawn out pain and suffering that comes before many deaths; that is something worthy of attention.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:56:30 UTC No. 16101377

>>16099319
So you failed your zen meditation?

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:59:54 UTC No. 16101380

Imagine your heart giving out. Must be horrifying in the moment.

Cult of Passion at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 16:06:06 UTC No. 16101386

>>16101380
Or feel it stop and know exactly what was happening.

I can recount the exact moment my back vertebrae, L4-S1, turned to gravel, when the IED exploded. I dodnt remember my foot (L heel shattered, part sticking out the bottom, R cracked).

Passenger got rekt, everyone else knocked out except me.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 16:08:59 UTC No. 16101390

would you be as afraid as you'd be of dying if someone told you he's gonna punch your head (very precisely) such that you'll forget everything you have experienced for the last year? would it be as frightening?
what about 2 years? what about 20? when are you starting to fear that punch as much as you'd fear dying from some heart attack?

Cult of Passion at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 16:09:59 UTC No. 16101395

>>16101380
The adrenaline would temporarily give you "hyper-reality" awareness, so you feel attacks in far greater detail than you do in normal life.

++ if youre on drugs, or a lot, because the bloodrush pumps a shitton more drugs into your brain, or a police stop, straight to Heaven's Gate. Many a street skinny fightin' the popo.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 16:19:19 UTC No. 16101413

>>16101390
Maybe less so, but still pretty fucking afraid. It would essentially be semi-death to me. Even if it's just one year, I learned a lot and wiping it clean now would be a huge fucking detriment and very disorienting.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 16:26:29 UTC No. 16101418

>>16101413
>I learned a lot and wiping it clean now would be a huge fucking detriment and very disorienting.
Clearly, I don't disagree with you. I'd always choose the punch. I'd just lose some % and still get to live. Of-course supposing the punch is so precise that it can't do more or less damage than exactly losing a full year in the past. No contest better than dying. But it feels like a bit of dying when you think about it. At least for me. And the more you go back the more dies. But even if wiped clean, still glad I'd live, still better than dying.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 16:41:16 UTC No. 16101438

>>16099319
>How do I stop fearing death, scientifically
Die. If you're dead you can no longer fear death, you have conquered it.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 16:43:52 UTC No. 16101439

death is at least eject from these times, possibly from all. but at least from these

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 16:46:09 UTC No. 16101442

>>16099319
Spirituality
>how do I use the rules of the physical world to come to terms with cessation in the physical world

Never let your opponent set the pace. In any fight, any resistance, you should seek to set the tone.
Never let your opposition determine the rules unless you're willing to lose in order to make a point

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 16:47:34 UTC No. 16101445

>>16099341
>death is abstract
No.
Death has no quiddity. It's not abstract at all.
Don't confuse lack of reportable experience with lack of actual occurrence.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 16:55:08 UTC No. 16101459

>>16101445
>Don't confuse lack of reportable experience with lack of actual occurrence.
nta and I agree that we don't know how and when we can exactly continue to exist in some form. not so scared about dying as of the pain, and knowing I won't be here to share these times with known ones/family, and general monkey brain afraid of unknown.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 17:00:55 UTC No. 16101468

>>16099319
death is less scary than the decay of aging desu

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:25:28 UTC No. 16101604

>>16099319
By worshipping it, as in, the worship of life in the moment.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:08:50 UTC No. 16101682

>>16101390
>you'll forget everything you have experienced for the last year?
that's what the old 1950s 1960s EST would do to brains.
t. had a parent who had EST who's frontal lobe was rekt from it.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:21:35 UTC No. 16101698

>>16101468
decay if aging is death itself
>>16099319
You make it your scientific task to overcome it, so it becomes a journey, evoking excitement instead of fear (not the perspective of death shall excite you, but the subject of it, because soon you find that the problem of aging and death is quite solvable, and you were born just in the right time. And so you realize that other people have already solved it, so you participate in solving other causes of sudden death. And when we solve that, we shall focus on bringing back those whom the preserved bodies used to be, and my guess is at that really near moment, all jews move (I suspect them to be moved there by christians and muslims who would be puppeteered by rabbis, of course) to fulfil the profecy, so that the world doesn't notice as much that what jews taught the world was purely bullshit, so they can present it as if it was some ancient form of predictive programming, leading the humanity (literally Son of Man (children of Adam)) to such perfection that, just as was predicted, corpses are resurrected. I suspect all that to be my prediction of events which shall take place in this century.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Mar 2024 00:18:44 UTC No. 16102356

>>16099319
Kys. Without life, there is no fear of death

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Mar 2024 01:11:06 UTC No. 16102450

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Mar 2024 02:32:11 UTC No. 16102547

get married and you'll wish you were dead

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Mar 2024 02:44:06 UTC No. 16102557

>>16099319
Benzodiazepines

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Mar 2024 03:50:37 UTC No. 16102659

>>16099319
By killing yourself.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Mar 2024 20:39:39 UTC No. 16103719

>>16099319
There are studies that show that reading about or listening to NDEs lessens or removes the fear of death entirely. And NDEs are unironically irrefutable proof that heaven really is awaiting us because (1) people see things during their NDEs when they are out of their bodies that they should not be able to under the assumption that the brain creates consciousness, and (2) anyone can have an NDE and everyone is convinced by it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

So any atheist would be too, so pic related is literally irrefutable proof of life after death. As one NDEr pointed out:

>"I'm still trying to fit it in with this dream that I'm walking around in, in this world. The reality of the experience is undeniable. This world that we live in, this game that we play called life is almost a phantom in comparison to the reality of that."

If NDEs were hallucinations somehow then extreme atheists and neuroscientists who had NDEs would maintain that they were halluinations after having them. But the opposite happens as NDEs convince every skeptic when they have a really deep NDE themselves.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:44:45 UTC No. 16103818

>>16099471
There is no (You), (You) are whatever combination of materia which is capable of processing information