🧵 School models
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:11:06 UTC No. 16099535
I'm creating this thread here because I don't care about what humanities fags think:
Is there a school system where kids can test out of certain classes if they already know the subject? Let's say your kid has already learned trigonometry at home (totally doable), is there a system in which he can do a test(s) showing he already knows the subject and therefore skipping that class instead of wasting his time with it as if school was fucking prison?
Obviously homeschooling is the most flexible system but it makes it harder for a kid to be surrounded by more competent peers, which is a big motivator to study more. I've acquired the perhaps mistaken impression that IB (International Baccalaureate) schools offer some of that flexibility
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:31:11 UTC No. 16099575
Can we please discuss the educational system instead of the millionth thread about climate change and IQ tests?
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 18:35:49 UTC No. 16099661
>>16099535
>homeschooling is the most flexible system but it makes it harder for a kid to be surrounded by more competent peers, which is a big motivator to study more.
Homeschoolers these days organize into "pods", which is pretty much the same system used in the Old West. At my church, many people do this. I'll probably do it, too. For the time being, as long as students can pass the relevant government exams, they can graduate. I'm not sure if that comes with a diploma or anything like that, but you can satisfy the legal requirement this way.
On a more philosophical note, I think peer socialization is a misguided modern concept. We were propagandized to think that kids need to learn from other kids. Kids need to learn from competent adults. They need to work.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 21:48:36 UTC No. 16100052
>>16099661
It's also heavily location dependent, if you don't have homeschoolers near you that kind of thing is not an option. I also want to socialize with actual homeschoolers and not evangelical schizos who think the planet is 4k years old.
>On a more philosophical note, I think peer socialization is a misguided modern concept. We were propagandized to think that kids need to learn from other kids. Kids need to learn from competent adults. They need to work.
The goal is more networking
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 21:56:16 UTC No. 16100064
>>16099535
It's literally correct. School only makes sense for 90-115 IQ, which luckily also are the supermajority of people. But 115+, school teaches you nothing. This statement is simply accurate already -- how should I substantiate this claim, what more can be said about it? You just figure things out themselves at that IQ. For example, I came up with algorithms to multiply numbers on my own. No one had to teach me. I taught myself to read, write, write good prose, and read challenging lit without school -- school simply made near 0 difference in that trajectory I would have been anyway. There is not a possible universe in which I was, well, me (meaning I retain my high IQ), but my interest wasn't in some way geared towards reading interesting "challening" texts and compose decent texts. I know this because right now, these are *not* my top interests in life (meaning I am not laser-focused in reading/writing, or math, etc.), yet I still am more than decent at them 'as a matter of course' so-to-say.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 21:58:48 UTC No. 16100068
>>16100064
Were you in remedial classes?
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 22:05:53 UTC No. 16100077
>>16100068
That concept (if I understand it correctly) doesn't exist in my country, which is Switzerland, which has that multi-track system you might know from Germany.
Only like 30% of people attend the track that preps you for a college-requiring education.
I did not attend that track, because school here is only mandatory to 9th grade, and I made use of that and did not continue further. I attended secondary school for adults (i.e. evening school) a few years later, so I go to university now coming from a non-orthodox path.
Secondary school was a breeze; in uni, I study math, which is PRETTY challenging, CS, which is moderately easy, and philosophy, which is honestly so easy it puts me to sleep. I'd prefer if the lecturers and subjects could advance at 3x the current pace. For most philosophy, I just need to read a short summary about the author's thoughts and I can already home-in on what they mean, and reconstruct their thinking process, with 90+% accuracy.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 22:36:09 UTC No. 16100113
>>16099535
The main role of school is not education, it's being a daycare, the second role is socializing, and the third role is filtering retards. The last role of school is educating.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 22:58:48 UTC No. 16100139
What does /sci/ think of high tier boarding schools like Exeter, Andover, Choate, etc.?
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 06:05:30 UTC No. 16100666
Why don't discussions like this take off? Not enough bait for the catalog?
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 06:33:29 UTC No. 16100703
>>16100064
>School only makes sense for 90-115 IQ
LMAO, if "make sense" means turning that kid into a 75 IQ moron.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:53:47 UTC No. 16101659
>>16100703
Massive schooling was never about educating people but about creating workers
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Mar 2024 01:48:15 UTC No. 16102502
>>16099575
>>16100666
It's because there's not many people on this board who actually belong here since jannies have abandoned this place. /x/ and /pol/tards run rampant and with LK-99 shit there was a recent influx of /biz/faggots too. Not to mention the resident namefags and schizos (like the lead guy). The vaccine/climate/nutrition threads to this board are what religion/haplolarp threads are to /his/.
If you filter all OPs that start with a question, you will have at least 50 bait threads hidden.
Use 4chanX:
/^[^\v\f\r\n]*\?/i;op:only;boards:s
/\?$/;op:only;boards:sci
>>16099535
I have to say, I'm very jealous of americans being able to homeschool, it's not a thing at all here and the government is doing everything it can to curb the little independence parents still have over how and what their children learn.
>is there a school system where
No and as long as politicians and the teacher/"educator" class (and the brainwashed zombies who see nothing wrong with it) have any say in it, there will never be an alternative in this globalized world.
Your mistake is that you are thinking from a meritocratic point of view, while the system doesn't. The prussian system was never built for meritocracy, it was entirely built to create good little soldiers that follow orders who can double up as obedient factory workers during peace time.
Furthermore, they don't want you to specialize and be actually competent at something, you must memorize unrelated garbage, because it's part of the breaking process.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Mar 2024 02:11:15 UTC No. 16102531
>>16102502
Don't those New England schools have some of that flexibility and meritocracy we were talking about?
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Mar 2024 02:30:11 UTC No. 16102546
>>16099535
Imo some of the biggest problems with school are how long it takes to learn anything of consequence and the fact that kids never get to really create anything. It's difficult to see the value in education if all there is too it is just being bossed around and told what to do