Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 02:20:31 UTC No. 16104243

I consider EdD as teachers and MD as physicians
I only consider PhD as proper "doctors"

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 02:25:37 UTC No. 16104246

>>16104243
Can you elaborate? I don't see why someone holding an Ed.D, or another professional doctorate such as a DBA or DPH shouldn't be deserving of the title

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 02:38:53 UTC No. 16104258

>>16104246
He's trying to be pedantic since doctor in Latin literally means teacher, but failed miserably.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 03:04:30 UTC No. 16104279

>>16104238

No, of course not. I have an estranged aunt who completed an Ed.D which is on deposit with a local university. Out of curiosity, I visited the reading room to access it. I wasn't expecting anything impressive, nor was it horrible, but was really just a dull essay which only ran to 80(!) pages. She spent paragraphs in the very short thing noting how she kept research locked in her private storage areas, and re-iterated very basic parameters for her subject in the first half in an undergrad sort of way. The prose didn't pop off the page, and there wasn't much explanatory power. Just a piece of work that she churned out in connection with her medical background.

I'm sure that the process had value for her since it would have required her to balance professional and research life (like any "doctoral" student), but it didn't come across on the page.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 03:12:09 UTC No. 16104284

>>16104246
Professional degrees are professsional degrees, they're not worthy of any research or novel quality.
Consider a famouse PhD thesis from let say Paul Dirac, none, zero of the other type "doctoral" degrees can provide works that even close in terms of brainjuice, value or quality.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 03:14:05 UTC No. 16104288

>>16104246
Generally people with JDs don't call themselves doctor. And if they do they usually get bullied by other lawyers.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 03:16:29 UTC No. 16104292

Paul Diract thesis btw, 90% of /sci/ and 99.9% of normies will be filtered by the first 5 pages.
https://diginole.lib.fsu.edu/islandora/object/fsu%3A641

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 03:33:12 UTC No. 16104307

I don't respect anyone just because of the title "doctor" nowadays. Dirac in 1920 is a different story

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 03:36:22 UTC No. 16104310

>>16104258
/thread

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 03:54:49 UTC No. 16104322

>>16104238
Generally no. Is that to say I don't respect Ed.D holders at all? Not at all. Not everybody has to produce completely novel research, and aiming for teaching is knowing your limits, which within itself is commendable enough.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 04:02:22 UTC No. 16104328

>>16104292
they will be filtered in the cover page because they can't read cursive

Cult of Passion at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 05:50:55 UTC No. 16104403

>>16104284
>Professional degrees are professsional degrees, they're not worthy of any research or novel quality.
Yeah, Ive heard at what would pass for PhD thesis in Theology/Religious Studies.

Ive does a hudred of those, its supposed to be proof of "coherent advancing of research" and thats it, not "you've/ll advance science".

Cult of Passion at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 05:54:12 UTC No. 16104405

>>16104403
But also can be, Tooker's Timetraveler's Bible would be, an a equalent to a Unified Theory.

Which is what Schizos do, those hail Mary long shot to the Moon shit and legit academics but more rare.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 11:19:09 UTC No. 16104617

>>16104279
Curious that someone with a medical background went with an Ed.D instead of, you know, an MD, DNP, DPH, etc.

Unless it was something like "Nursing education" I guess

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 11:22:48 UTC No. 16104619

>>16104238
sensei?

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:57:48 UTC No. 16104696

>>16104238
no. we should also stop awarding phds to stem students. they are scientists, not philosophers. let the humanities keep their phds and rebrand stem education as Sci.D.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:20:25 UTC No. 16104718

>>16104696
You do realize that natural science rose from philosophy, right?

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:26:01 UTC No. 16104724

>>16104718
the same culture that thought left handedness was the work of the devil. i really couldn't give less of a shit what the norm was four hundred years ago. nobody called themselves scientists back then; we do today. Sci.D. more accurately captures what it is a scientist does.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:42:05 UTC No. 16104740

>>16104724
Science is philosophy, nigger.
The youngling cunts like you think gathering data n shit aint philosophy but physics (that include other related fields like chemistry...) is very much a philosophical subject.
Many related are in mathematics like theoretical computer science or computations are basically purely philosophical once you think hard enough, which you obviously lack the IQ for.
Well, you can argue that life sciences arent philosophy but that's another subject.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:59:43 UTC No. 16104765

>>16104740
>Science is philosophy, nigger.
then why aren't philosophers considered part of stem?
fyi i'm older than you, and have a phd in physics. you're a pseud.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:03:03 UTC No. 16104767

>>16104718
Natural science rose from philosophy the same way our distant ancestors rose from the muck to begin breathing on land. The addition of empiricism and scientific methodology allowed us to outgrow the useless meandering of classical philosophy.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:06:36 UTC No. 16104772

>>16104765
are you this dumb?
you're literally claiming X is Y why isn't other part of Y is X.
you're claiming phd in physics and you don't understand this basic logic.
STEM is philosophy with the scientific method. doesn't mean the rest of humanity wordcel play philosophy is STEM.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:12:41 UTC No. 16104777

>>16104772
so you agree there is something fundamentally distinct about science not present in philosophy. therefore the same title PhD should not be awarded to philosophers and to scientists. scientists should be awarded a Sci.D.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:15:59 UTC No. 16104784

>>16104777
I can't even comprehend how or why the actual fuck you are trying to put those word in my mouth from what I said, did your brain have a stroke or the logic too hard for you to understand.
Go back to >>>/lit/ nigger

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:26:18 UTC No. 16104801

>>16104784
you're experiencing what's called "cognitive dissonance". what you read from me makes sense, yet contradicts what you understand. you cannot hold both views in your head simultaneously, so revert to name-calling and other generic insults.
>X = science
>Y = philosophy
you claim all science contains philosophy, i.e. Y is contained in X. you then chastise me saying that X is not contained in Y (congratulations--that was the point of my question). if X is not contained in Y, there must be elements of X that are uniquely part of X.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:27:05 UTC No. 16104802

>>16104801
no, nigger, just kill yourself

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:34:44 UTC No. 16104806

>>16104802

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 14:37:55 UTC No. 16104812

>>16104238
I don't even respect them as people

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:17:04 UTC No. 16104934

>>16104806
wow

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:30:40 UTC No. 16104956

>muh dirac
infinite regress of "if you aren't in the 99th percentile of x you didn't *really* deserve it"
if you aren't in the 99th percentile of the 99th percentile of people who had incredible phd theses at a young age then you didn't *really* deserve it...
so on forever

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 17:33:07 UTC No. 16105057

>>16104724
Imagine not knowing that René Descartes considered himself a scientist.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 17:34:48 UTC No. 16105058

>>16104243
>Medicinae doctor
How is this not a "proper" doctor? Half of my professors are M.D.s that practice part time.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 17:37:07 UTC No. 16105064

>>16105058
the average MD know tranny shit about science nor ever did any research anon.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 17:44:05 UTC No. 16105071

>>16105064
Ackshually, a requirement these days for med school is to have prior research experience in undergrad.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 17:47:44 UTC No. 16105077

>>16105071
>prior research experience in undergrad
my cousin did this, basically collecting some data from some device on patients and write some report. that shit doesn't even count.
my aunt is MD and never did any science research.
another aunt of mine and an uncle are dentists, they never wrote a single academic paper or go to conferences in there lives.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 17:54:18 UTC No. 16105084

>>16105077
>That shit doesn't even count
Mkay then.
>Is there a doctor here?! He's having a heart attack!
>Ye-uhhh I mean no, I'm a math doctor.
When people think doctor, they think MD. Sorry :)

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 21:32:11 UTC No. 16105417

>>16105057
I consider myself a billionaire - that doesn’t change the reality that I’m not one.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:07:35 UTC No. 16105546

>>16105417
Doesn't equate. Try again.

Cult of Passion at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:10:21 UTC No. 16105552

>>16104243
Few can balance teaching and active research, usually they pick one.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:30:22 UTC No. 16105576

>>16105552
I have you filtered.

Cult of Passion at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:43:38 UTC No. 16105589

>>16105576
I have mimics.

We are Legion for We are Many.
(WWG1WGA and all that cult nonsense...)

Cult of Passion at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 01:05:14 UTC No. 16105686

>>16105552
Which properly doing both is "Professor", going back and forth, learning, teach what is learned, and again.

Michael Levin kind of balances that a bit, its a lot, and the more "you can keep up" the more it can be just him reviewing his works and youre approaching that moment of creation.

Or whatever.

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 02:02:53 UTC No. 16105754

>>16105417
Are you retarded? That comparison has absolutely zero legitimacy

Cult of Passion at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 02:05:21 UTC No. 16105755

>>16105754
Nobody batted an eye lash when the black man does it, a kind of N-word pass.

Sorry.
[takes a knee, raises a fist]

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 02:33:27 UTC No. 16105773

>>16105755
Bringing race into a purely intellectual discourse; retardation confirmed. Make sure to apply for your tard bennies!

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 02:59:06 UTC No. 16105790

>>16105754
>>16105546
Emotional outburst. Neither an argument nor a refutation.

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 05:55:55 UTC No. 16105937

What is the point of an Ed.D? You need a B.Ed. to become a teacher and an M.Ed. to become a principal. What does an Ed.D get you?

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 06:18:58 UTC No. 16105944

>>16104243
This. MD is a joke. Nobody really pays for your research. Its just done as you can practise. same applies to EdD and many art and literacy doctorates.

Thag said, math,physics and CS doctorates are maily a joke. Many and many is just for pajeets and make someone get those research funds in exchange of CHATGPT made papers

Cult of Passion at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:43:07 UTC No. 16106020

>>16105773
Leave it to a soulless Hwyte man so steal the crown by making another, AND claiming your's!

"Dr.PROFESSOR?!"

Your racism has been noted, this isnt going off your record.

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 13:41:10 UTC No. 16106300

>>16105937
It's an easy route to putting "Dr." on your LinkedIn

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 13:43:37 UTC No. 16106303

It's like programmers calling themselves "software engineers" outside of resumes
Any real developer will make fun of you

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 14:07:05 UTC No. 16106320

>>16106303
I've worked as a SWE before, and that title was commonly used without ridicule. Maybe it was just company culture, but I haven't seen anyone get made fun of for calling themselves or others a SWE

Cult of Passion at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 15:02:49 UTC No. 16106374

>>16106300
Its become so worthless that a higher title is needed for people doing broad advanced research, but then it becomes a dance for "supreme tenure" or some shit.

Hence the 2nd Amendment, because they knew this creeping "backwards magnet" always comes back, a never ending back and forth where fuck ups back enough at the highest levels can cause global turmoil.

Beautiful, dumb, evil, ꑝꃍꍼꁶ, shit.

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 15:08:27 UTC No. 16106381

>>16105790
You've never read Descartes. That much is obvious.

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 20:04:22 UTC No. 16106680

>>16106374
I get your first sentence, but the rest of that was gibberish

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 21:07:02 UTC No. 16106787

>>16106381
Why would I read Descartes? I'm a scientist, not a litfag.

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 23:59:20 UTC No. 16107038

>>16106787
>STEM nerds can't be cultured

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 00:53:13 UTC No. 16107095

>>16106787
https://iep.utm.edu/descartes-scientific-method/

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 01:32:09 UTC No. 16107135

>>16107095
>More philosophy.
Did not read. Do not care.
Cope. Seethe. Cry.
Not a single scientist needs to read whatever you linked to do his job.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 01:46:00 UTC No. 16107157

>>16107135
Thanks for conceding, retard.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 01:47:26 UTC No. 16107159

>>16107157
Wasn't a concession. Name one scientific discipline whose practitioners should read that and why. Any answer you provide will be about rounding out their knowledge or some other retarded shit. Distinctly absent is an answer on how to make them a better scientist

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 02:03:49 UTC No. 16107181

>>16107159
Are you joking? If you read it you'd understand that methods has to do with solidifying the scientific method and mathematical work. Dipshit.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 02:04:22 UTC No. 16107184

>>16107181
Yawn.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 02:20:05 UTC No. 16107193

>>16107184
You're a dumbass.