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Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:37:43 UTC No. 16104734
Since dogs are able to already understand certain words and commands, how far could we get if we tried to selectively breed dogs for language comprehension?
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:16:32 UTC No. 16104862
>>16104734
This is anecdotal, but I have had a dog family now for 20+ years. By "dog family" I mean we had am English Lab and Golden Retriever, bred them and kept the most intelligent dog. Then, we got an American Lab to breed with that dog and kept the most intelligent puppy. Stan seems to understand a very large variety of conversational words (I don't talk to my dog like an asshole), way more so than the previous generations. His Dad was an moderate escape artist, but Stan is on a whole other level. I had to get a sliding deadbolt for all my exterior doors and lock all my windows before I leave during the summer because he can not only open the windows, but figured out how to unlock the dead bolt and remove the secondary chain from the slide and just let himself out while I'm at work. We now have another golden retriever that will eventually breed with Stan to keep the line going, and will select the smartest puppy out of those to keep.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:20:30 UTC No. 16104870
>>16104862
How do you choose which is smartest as a pup? whats happening to the older generation?
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:36:58 UTC No. 16104889
Dogs need to be phased out. Humans and dogs shouldn’t live together. Ever heard of a petting zoo? Put them there to begin with.
These robots are the new guide dogs and search and rescue dogs. That only leaves the drug sniffing dogs as being the only useful dogs to humans.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:39:32 UTC No. 16104894
Dogs need to be phased out. Humans and dogs shouldn’t live together. Ever heard of a petting zoo? Put them there to begin with.
These robots are the new guide dogs and rescue dogs. That only leaves the sniffing dogs as being the only useful dogs to humans.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:48:15 UTC No. 16104902
>>16104870
I chose the dog that displayed the most independence (i.e. I always found Stan outside of his puppy pen chilling by himself) and whichever one was first to learn his name (I named them all after characters in The Wire, Marlo Stanfield ro Stan for short). The grandparents are obviously dead, and his mom ruptured her spleen last year and bled out on the way to the vet. As far as the other 11 in Stan's litter, I vaccinated them myself and gave them away.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:54:06 UTC No. 16104905
Pic related is Stan and his dog wife, Waffles. I'm hoping her smaller size (45 lbs at 1.7 years old) will result in a smaller dog that looks like Stan. His litter mates are all over the map. A few people we know have one and they are fucking enormous, like 140-150 lbs.. Stan is 95 and that's already on the large side for am English Lab, let alone a mixed breed with the genetic heritage of a smaller American Lab and Golden Retriever
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:58:49 UTC No. 16104913
>>16104734
Are you suggesting a genetic basis for intelligence? Yikes, that is so problematic and contributes to racism and discrimination in many forms. You know who else wanted to use eugenics, right? It rhymes with shitler
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:02:46 UTC No. 16104921
>>16104894
>I got a dog because I was feeling lonely and I needed a friend
I’m so sorry that this world is so retarded. Society needs to be fixed. Currently, people go to work, consume and then go home and cry. There is no community.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:05:19 UTC No. 16104923
>>16104913
If the puppies came out with tiny hats, I would more than likely promptly exterminate them, anon. I can't have bad actors in my doggie utopia.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:05:46 UTC No. 16104924
>>16104913
SHUT THE FUCK UP GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE DOG THREAD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVz
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 16:26:45 UTC No. 16104949
>>16104905
Stan looks almost exactly like my old dog. He was definitely very smart. Too smart for his own good really.. But he understood lots of commands and words, especially "walk". It had nothing to do with tone. If I just randomly would say "walk" anywhere near him he would go apeshit thinking he was about to piss on the whole neighborhood again even though he just went. So I had to watch what I said if he was around. "Ride" and "park" got him piqued and curious, but "walk" made him go wild.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 17:36:57 UTC No. 16105063
>>16104905
>you will never be a genetically engineered dog with a cute government-provided lab wife by your side
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 19:05:44 UTC No. 16105183
test
>>16104734
i give my already smrtsy dog cooked meat. didn't human brains increasr in size after fire attenability and cooking their hunted meat?
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Mar 2024 19:12:40 UTC No. 16105198
>>16105183
Humans have a special gene found nowhere else in the animal kingdom that allowed for massive growth of the neocortex. They ate other humans' brains first for the protein required before eating just meat.
Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 13:11:06 UTC No. 16106257
>>16104894
Arab?
>>16105198
Kuru is bad, anon.
Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 16:14:36 UTC No. 16106426
>>16105198
oh that explains why ((())) want to ban it
Cult of Passion at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 16:28:29 UTC No. 16106443
>>16104734
Imagine doing a search.
Cult of Passion at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 17:27:24 UTC No. 16106501
>>16106443
And if you need an expert opinion I'd say its looking promising, which breed is beyond current research standards, simple proof od concept for sound determination is good'n'nough.
Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 16:36:27 UTC No. 16107938
>>16104949
>If I just randomly would say "walk" anywhere near him he would go apeshit thinking he was about to piss on the whole neighborhood again even though he just went.
I thought all dogs were like that; our dog certainly was. Also words like "food" would get him out of any slumber in no time. Also "cat" was very definitely understood!
Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 23:04:52 UTC No. 16108470
>>16104894
Rot in hell, scum sucker
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 01:09:05 UTC No. 16108633
It is technically possible to breed dogs to fly. You just need enough time.
El Arcón at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 01:11:11 UTC No. 16108637
Is this a completely fake customer service agent?
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 01:13:49 UTC No. 16108641
I am not fake, and I am not customer service.
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 01:28:36 UTC No. 16108656
>>16104734
This rings a similar question I have: there are animals we can somewhat communicate with (dogs, cats, chimps, elephants), and yet there is a clear limit to how much we can teach them. Do humans have a barrier in what they can learn? I'm not talking about someone not understanding maths, I'm talking about literally being unable to acquire a new knowledge or skill, in terms of all humans beings considered. Only things that come to mind are stuff like infinity (you technically can't visualize it fully), imagining what 4d looks like (the rotating hypercube gif doesn't count), etc.
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 01:48:06 UTC No. 16108668
>>16108656
>there is a clear limit to how much we can teach dogs
I'll dispute this, the only thing holding my dogs back from proving they can beat the average American NPC in an intellectual debate is their lack of vocal cords. I've taught my loyal little doggie mans hundreds of words, and unlike the mediocre dogs mentioned ITT, my dogs can ascertain deeper context in my speech patterns, so will not get souped up if I say words like "walk" or "hungry" or "dog food" or "adventure" or whatever unless they're aware I'm adressing them directly and discussing the present tense. As in they can percieve the clear difference between me talking about a walk from yesterday, or a walk planned in 5 minutes or a walk planned in 4 hours and react appropriately.
Don't underestimate dog intelligence, even Charles Darwin claimed many domesticated dogs speak to themselves extensively via "inner monologues" in their master's language, and modern experiments like >>16106443 proved Charles was correct on the matter. Dogs have a very solid grasp of english sentence structure
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 17:31:51 UTC No. 16109450
Dogs seem to dream rather vividly. It seems there has to be at least some kind of inner monologue going on.
Anonymous at Wed, 3 Apr 2024 09:57:24 UTC No. 16110425
>>16104734
We would have a real RUFF time!
Anonymous at Wed, 3 Apr 2024 19:14:51 UTC No. 16110979
>>16110425
LOL Carlos please try to remain serious here hahaha!
Anonymous at Thu, 4 Apr 2024 18:04:27 UTC No. 16112307
>>16104734
Genetically modyfiyng could be faster than selective breeding.
Anonymous at Thu, 4 Apr 2024 18:16:31 UTC No. 16112323
>>16104734
they get very excited when you spell out W.A.L.K. to try to get around their comprehension of the word "walk"
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 05:32:29 UTC No. 16113170
>>16104902
>I named them all after characters in The Wire
Slim Charles is a keeper, but watch your back
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 05:35:32 UTC No. 16113175
Dogs can recognize words especially when it comes to food or their hedonistic inclinations, but they totally lack reason.
Language comprehension is a long ways to go. I think parrots have a better chance. They will talk and learn even if it's not an advantage.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 05:39:51 UTC No. 16113178
>>16113175
>Dogs can recognize words especially when it comes to food or their hedonistic inclinations, but they totally lack reason. Language comprehension is a long ways to go.
I could see this dialog between two AGIs regarding humans.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 05:43:37 UTC No. 16113179
>>16110425
carlos!
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 11:01:31 UTC No. 16113501
>>16113175
>but they totally lack reason
How? They are known for problem solving.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 13:56:11 UTC No. 16113672
>>16104734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fs
>>16104862
>select the smartest puppy
Are you selecting their mates by intelligence as well, or just breeding them with regular dogs?
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 14:32:23 UTC No. 16113722
>>16104923
Doggies in tiny hats are cute, tho
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 14:43:12 UTC No. 16113734
>>16104894
>kill non useful organisms
>then kill all non useful humans
>find the most useful human and make clones of him until the earth is full
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 15:21:27 UTC No. 16113783
there was a schizo paper that wanted to do a mass breeding program of border collies focused on speech recognition and speech GENERATION.
Fun read, but didn't save it.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:17:40 UTC No. 16113844
>>16104734
dogs will abuse any knowledge they're given in order to secure the maximum amount of snacks
https://rumble.com/v3772q9-waiting-
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:22:14 UTC No. 16113849
>>16113844
any biologically limited sentient life would. it's not a choice.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:22:20 UTC No. 16113850
>>16113734
so the god you would worship is whatever the word "useful" is defined as?
i think the living should take priority over the dead. tools shouldn't be worshipped, concepts shouldn't, etc. it seems like a rather unpopular opinion these days.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:52:00 UTC No. 16113902
Dogs understand the sound of instruction after being taught what it means. Ie: Saying "Sit" and putting their butt on the ground, followed by giving them a treat. Do that enough times and they'll associate treats with putting their butt on the ground whenever you make that one weird noise they don't really understand.
If this weren't true, and they actually understood our means of communicating, then you using ANY English word in their presence for the very first time should result in them grasping and carrying out instructions without any training. Obviously this isn't true for any dog. Ergo, they have to be taught meaning, and meaning isn't intuitive to them.
If you need another example, when you first get a dog and you name him "Bill", saying "Bill" to him for the first time will mean fuck all to him. After you call him Bill hundreds of times though, he'll understand you're making a sound which means you want his attention. He probably doesn't even know that's his name, or what names are.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:52:56 UTC No. 16113903
>>16113844
So does man
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:54:20 UTC No. 16113905
>>16113902
How is this different from language learning for people again?
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 17:26:40 UTC No. 16113969
There's definitely a evidence that dogs, especially certain breeds are bretty smart. They are one of the few animals that understand when you point at something and what it means, and monkes seemingly don't.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 17:32:21 UTC No. 16113975
>>16113969
It's just me again. Savior of things like the birds you torment. Cats and dogs you perv on sexually and other things such as plant life, the planet and the sun.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 17:35:29 UTC No. 16113980
>>16113969
Let's say I did do those fights. And
A. I won. What would you do?
B. I killed the man. What would happen?
This they are pointless fights. I instinctively did the right thing. I'm instinctively doing the right thing now and I can't wait till I bite.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 18:35:26 UTC No. 16114066
>>16104734
Wonder if entire reason why dogs are not on our level of cognition yet is us.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 18:47:38 UTC No. 16114087
>>16104862
I wish some alien would make me their pet and bring me a woman to breed while I fuck around all day and get free food.
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 12:52:35 UTC No. 16115139
>>16114087
If they did, would you even notice? Zoo hypothesis is quite compelling.
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 12:53:10 UTC No. 16115140
Dunce
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 15:36:08 UTC No. 16115324
>>16105198
Not really beef as much though. They want to ban all meat. Cows are a distraction.
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 15:40:48 UTC No. 16115328
>>16115139
Earth is a zoo
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 03:15:29 UTC No. 16116335
>>16112307
Yeah but be careful. What if we make the dogs too smart? Suddenly dogs become the masters before the end of the century, with us humans serving as their pets
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:20:42 UTC No. 16117841
>>16108470
No, it is you that must rot in Hell for treating dogs differently from say a cow or a chicken.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:46:20 UTC No. 16117874
>>16113850
God killed so many humans with covid. Do you think He took the random Thanos approach or did He specifically select useless people? Or maybe Earth is such an unbearable place at the moment that their deaths were actually a blessing.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:49:03 UTC No. 16117882
>>16117874
>Earth is such an unbearable place at the moment that their deaths were actually a blessing
Dogs can’t talk. How are they going to tell you that they rather be dead than chained or fenced?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 11:04:04 UTC No. 16118387
The world is better late at night because there is less noise late at night.
In the late hours of the night when both the people and the dogs are sleeping and the all cars and bikes are still I can finally find peace in this world.
Come with me outside late at night. I want you to hear something, or better yet I want you to hear nothing. I want you to hear how the world is supposed to be.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 01:39:03 UTC No. 16120194
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 02:05:48 UTC No. 16120217
>>16104902
Keep your eye on Omar
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 20:34:13 UTC No. 16121377
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 21:04:14 UTC No. 16121419
>>16113902
>He probably doesn't even know that's his name, or what names are.
My family used to have a schnauzer--poodle mix when I was a kid, and if you said "where's X family member's name?" in cute voice 3 or 4 times in a row the dog would run to their room (4 total people in the house), that suggests that it knew the specific names corresponded to each person's identity.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 21:13:01 UTC No. 16121434
>>16104734
>we tried to selectively breed dogs for language comprehension?
Literally been happening since pre-history. The entire history of dog breeding has been working on this trait as well as many others.
However dogs have cognitive limitations to how much their intelligence can be breed for. Furthermore any decently intelligent dog will learn more commands and words than you have ability to teach them. Dogs can learn 150-250 words, that's more then some hillbillies I know. Intelligent dogs I've owned and trained mostly understand my English complete sentences. I just speak to them in simple terms as I would a 5 year old human and they always seem to understand even when presented with new words or situations.
If you really want to make a great leap you need to look into "uplifting" aka gene modification and/or cyborg dogs. If we could super charge the language part of the canine brain and maybe even alter their vocal abilities we can get to hyper smart dogs that can speak English and whom you can tell dirty jokes to to make laugh.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 21:43:06 UTC No. 16121481
>>16104734
Bro you can't even ensure future human capacity for that
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Apr 2024 14:10:14 UTC No. 16122364
>>16117841
>propaganda film
Pigs are nothing like that in real life. Dogs instinctively want to help humans, because they're a pack animal that coevolved with us.
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Apr 2024 20:06:16 UTC No. 16122955
>>16121434
>dogs have cognitive limitations to how much their intelligence can be breed for
How do these limitations arise?
>Dogs can learn 150-250 words
back when my family had a dog, we were told that a really bright dog could learn up to 40 words.
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Apr 2024 21:06:11 UTC No. 16123082
>>16118387
I feel like I don’t belong in this world.
https://youtu.be/f-Eu5ZvcLb0
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Apr 2024 22:10:20 UTC No. 16123187
El Arcón at Wed, 10 Apr 2024 22:16:18 UTC No. 16123197
nice dog