Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:25:08 UTC No. 16106896

Greedy algorithms generally survive better

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:25:38 UTC No. 16106897

>>16106892
cost benefit analysis

would u fuck a 10/10 black girl that could have aids even though u could die tomorrow from an accident

plus it comes down to statistics people who can delay their gratification can balance the choices logically while those who do end up participating in instant gratification are most likely thinking in the moment

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:26:36 UTC No. 16106899

>>16106892
Evolution will select for that balance

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:32:33 UTC No. 16106908

>>16106892
See picrel. German boom but the author argues that people have two deciders. The agents and the director. The agents are doing the work but because they only live for a "short" time they do the most rational thing in that short time or follow Auto pilots and setpoints. In that short span an agent lives the most rational thing to be happy is to eat the chocolate or scroll on your phone. The director has this big and long plan but not enough strength to do all things herself similar to big projects where the leader knows what is the best for the project but the clerks are in general lazy and the whole work can't be done by one person. The director has to trick the agents to work towards the goal. That's why deadlines are so effective because the agents that live relatively far away from the deadline see no reason to do anything and only the last agent till the deadline arrives sees the disadvantages if the project is not finished. Pretty good book if you understand German.

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:33:19 UTC No. 16106910

>>16106897
But how do we assess that cost-benefit? That's what bothering me. There's always some probability to that analysis but I'm wondering how do we objectively evaluate it?

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:34:53 UTC No. 16106913

>>16106908
Btw in the book he also talks about the marshmallow experiment.

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:54:01 UTC No. 16106935

>>16106908
Interesting insight.

Organisms by default seek pleasure because it's a sign of happiness, which is a sign of good health, which is a sign that you'd live longer and spread your genes.

Both instant gratification and delayed gratification give "pleasure", and we by default seek "pleasure" (for example, we don't have sex because we give a shit about keeping humanity alive—we have sex because it is pleasurable). So with immediate gratification a person thinks that they'd not be alive tomorrow or tomorrow is too uncertain so might as well sought out pleasure at the movement whenever you can. But with delayed gratification, the person thinks, if I work harder, save up money, and struggle for a few years down the line, I will have "pleasure" after a while (like having good job, income and financial stability is also "pleasurable" meaning you have higher chances of having more sex, but so does wasting away all your savings on new clothes and things, or playing video game, watching porn all day, etc., for example).

So I think we have to trick ourselves into thinking that tomorrow will be certain (even though it might not be certain) to suppress our impulsive desires which gravitate towards instant gratification.

In Freudian theory, we are originally born with instant gratification (hunger, sexual desires, etc.), the "Id" which works on pleasure principle, and as we age our brain evolves and develops "Ego" out of "Id" by taking reality into account, so it can filter out some of the impulsive desires. And weak ability to control impulses and to put off instant gratification is explained by poor development of the "Ego". This is a nice way to demarcate and think about things.

But assessing the cost-benefit ratio and rationalizing and motiving ourselves to seek delayed gratification is I think important to overcome addictions to instant gratifications (like porn, food, etc.).

Anonymous at Sun, 31 Mar 2024 23:28:44 UTC No. 16106995

I think one way to think about it is like this:

It all ends at your death anyway. No matter how much pleasure you experience, how much sex, whatever kink you experienced, whatever tasty foods you ate, whatever hard work you've done, etc. It all comes to an end for you at death of your physical body.

So at least with delayed gratification, there is a higher probability that you will have long-term pleasure and prosperity. Whereas with instant gratification, if the probability that tomorrow your town will certainly get nuked is relatively low, it is not a good idea to engage in impulsive behaviours for immediate gratification. Again, everything both pleasure you experienced with instant and delayed gratification dies with you when you die. So it is better to engage in delayed gratification than instant gratification, at least that way your probability of long-term pleasure is higher.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 19:22:00 UTC No. 16108115

>>16106892
i hate psychology so much bros.

🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 19:33:22 UTC No. 16108135

>>16106892
Kurt Cobain killed himself because his body could no produce dopamine from regular activities. Your body gets used to having insane levels of dopamine put into it from simple drug use easy peasy no effort required. So normal tasks like going for a nice hike or watching a good movie or winning board game with friends no longer produce pleasure. Imagine NOTHING you do being able to give you pressure. The only hope is another hit.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 19:35:58 UTC No. 16108138

>>16106892
Kurt Cobain killed himself because his body could no produce dopamine from regular activities. Your body gets used to having insane levels of dopamine put into it from simple drug use easy peasy no effort required. So normal tasks like going for a nice hike or watching a good movie or winning board game with friends no longer produce pleasure. Imagine NOTHING you do being able to give you pleasure. The only hope is another hit.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 19:38:38 UTC No. 16108140

>>16106896
/thread

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:40:10 UTC No. 16108443

>>16108138
LMAO, he was killed by the CIA.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 23:13:04 UTC No. 16108479

>>16108443
What secrets did Curt Cobain have? What did he know?

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 00:05:36 UTC No. 16108536

>>16108138
>Kurt Cobain killed himself
No, he was too out of it on heroin to hold and pull a trigger for it to be possible, he was killed to steal his record rights

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 07:59:27 UTC No. 16108976

>>16106908
all sites want me to pay for it ...

🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 11:49:47 UTC No. 16109167

Is it addiction if you only masturbate to girls diddling their pussies once a week anons?

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 11:51:14 UTC No. 16109168

Is it addiction if you only masturbate to girls diddling their pussies once a week anons? I have no other avenues of pleasure, i hate alcohol or drugs in general, don't enjoy the company of people and like reading and watching film.

Oблeпихoвoe чyдo at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 13:29:58 UTC No. 16109251

>>16106896
Greedy motorists generally do not.

Oблeпихoвoe чyдo at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 13:39:18 UTC No. 16109258

Sometimes I lose my sea buckthorn seedlings to birds, but I know that they know they will not live long enough to eat the berries. If, say, a goat were to damage my seedlings, I would be a little bit angry with it.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:36:40 UTC No. 16109365

>>16108138
>Kurt Cobain killed himself because his body could no produce dopamine from regular activities.
If this was true he would have had pronounced Parkinson's disease and motor impairments. His body was obviously producing dopamine.
>Your body gets used to having insane levels of dopamine put into it from simple drug use easy peasy no effort required.
Wrong. That depends on the drug and receptors affected and destruction of dopamine receptors only occurs with neurotoxic doses of releaser agents.
>So normal tasks like going for a nice hike or watching a good movie or winning board game with friends no longer produce pleasure.
The word you are looking for brainlet is anhedonia. What defines a normal task? It's normal to eat a surplus until being obese. It's normal to be impelled to copulate with a STD carrying woman. Socially it's normal to get drunk every week. This self defeating line of reasoning obviously leads to normal being the precise cause of the problem. Behavioral modes exist a priori and are inherently prone to maladaption. Most people are stupid apes with no self control and make bad decisions in their day to day life. You say nothing to this effect and don't even consider it because it's "normal".
>Imagine NOTHING you do being able to give you pleasure. The only hope is another hit.
This is false. Drugs aren't as euphoric as movies make them out to be, it is difficult for animal subjects to compulsively redose until death unlike mesolimbic DBS where they will press the button to stimulate the electrode ignoring feeding and drinking. Often stressor that induce anhedonia such as working without sufficient reward will exist independent and in absence of any drug use. If drugs were as euphoric as you think, they could transform people for the better by conditioning a reward response to ideal behavior.

1/2

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:48:29 UTC No. 16109371

>>16108138
2/2

Basically, you're a retard rehashing drugs are le bad arguments under /sci/ sounding buzzwords and broscience. The alternative explanation is morally repugnant to someone like you, that is the person rather than the drug is to blame and their proneness to bad decisions and self gratification existed before drug use. People are not equal. Lastly, alcohol abuse and cannabis use atrophy the frontal lobes and impair metacognition which leads to an inability to regulate the use of so called hard drugs.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 20:34:01 UTC No. 16109664

>>16106892
>some reasons as to why immediate gratification was selected, especially in environments with increased uncertainty
Thanks, this explains a lot. This is probably why the "media" wants us to constantly live in fear. So we consume, consume, consume and are never able to build anything for ourselves.