Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:19:48 UTC No. 16108208

The 'funny' part about all afterlife POV is that believers assume that they're inevitably included because they meet a certain condition.
And that it's a situation meaningful or intelligible to them as a person.

>you has been rejected, no afterlife for you

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:22:36 UTC No. 16108213

>>16108208
most religions believe in BAD afterlives for the non-condition meeters. only jws or some unitarian-christians I think believe in "soul sleep" for the unsaved

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:27:50 UTC No. 16108222

>>16108213
And that doesn't change the assumption that the 'soul' is something permanent. Leaving no trace at all causes existential dread to a lot of people.

And that ignoring the fact that it could hold no meaning at all for the individual. Nobody talks about "you see that ocean? some of it was part of me"...

All the soul and existence thing is obviously stained with self-interested evasion of existential meaningless.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:33:50 UTC No. 16108232

>>16108222
I CRAVE oblivion, on a personal note.
But I want to either stop believing in it or have the most robust confidence in it. right now its more of a guess.

Anonymous Magnate at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:35:57 UTC No. 16108234

there seems to be a fair few cases of children thinking they lived past lives. Thousands of cases. Of course it's all unfalsifiable, but the things these kids report is strange and there's common things between them. Out of all the /x/ related things it's the only one I've seen that kind of scares me a bit

Here's some scientific info. Jim Tucker seems to be the leading researcher currently. he's a child psychiatrist and a professor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_B._Tucker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Reincarnation_research

This documentary gives the gist of what it's like, they find this kid who's obsessed with going to see a place he's never been anywhere near but says he used to live there in a past life and knows quite a few details about the location despite never going there and they take him there to see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhGX1YCsvAM

And this lady that says she was Anne Frank in a past life. Even Anne Frank's relatives believe her
https://vritant.substack.com/p/the-story-of-barbro-karlen-the-writer

I don't particularly want reincarnation to be real. I don't really like the sound of it.
The chance of being reborn in bad conditions is fairly high too, in the current age anyway

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Apr 2024 21:25:30 UTC No. 16108317

>>16108234
Im OP and Im pretty sure, that's been debunked.
however I think isnt the Oblivion opinion a sort of "nihilistic solipsism"?
If the external universe forever disappears (for you) once you die: isnt that the same as saying the external universe and your qualia are irreparably bound together? Isn't that just Solipsism\ Vedanta but a lame version where once you die its over forever and the Existence ends?

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 00:08:30 UTC No. 16108541

>>16108153
There' no way to prove it or disprove scientifically because qualia are purely subjective. I think the term 'personal Qualia' is already misleading as it ties a notion of Self that we just subconsciously slap on some experiences that appear and disappear (are attached and detached from Qualia) constantly and assume to be true without giving it too much thought. I think pure Qualia (if even such thing exist because I haven't experienced Qualia apart from my senses, imagination, self-reflection and memory) are like a space - uncountable and impersonal. They feel personal due to natural barrier of not being able to directly exchange thoughs with anyone, and anything else.
'What is after death' seems like a wrong notion too. It's like asking what direction zero length vector is. When you lose all mental faculties and memories it won't matter whether you lived or not in this or any other universe. On the other hand you cannot experience being non-conscious, so even an eternity of lack of Qualia will pass in an instant regardless of required conditions for Qualia to arise again (right side of you pic seems to argue for this position)
>>16108222
True. That is why all religions evade 'true death', even those that tried to deal and eradicate the fear of nothingness (Nirvana of early Buddhism) transformed into something more palatable for general populace with promise of continuation after physical death being the good outcome. Even atheists dafault to becoming a some kind unconscious soul in a rotting brain. Part of this bias is that we can't experience our consciousness not continuing and the other part is the notion of self itself.
>>16108234
There are bilions of people and many of them seek fame for themselves and their shitholes or want solace in life after death that I have hard time believing those accounts.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 00:14:02 UTC No. 16108551

>>16108153
Let’s assume consciousness/mind survives after death. But there’s zero input going in from the physical world. That’s for sure, since your sole connection, the body, is gone. This means literally nothing new comes in, not even FEELINGS or challenges or anything. Basically like being asleep but zero dreams or any body or brain activity.

What could possibly remain then? Simply nothingness again, even if the kind survives somehow.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 00:54:28 UTC No. 16108614

In the far future, there may be Boltzmann brains in a mental state nearly exactly the same as our minds right before dying.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 00:57:42 UTC No. 16108621

>>16108153
>surviving
notice your free use of a concept reserved for biology