🧵 Hans Asperger and Autism
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 17:03:30 UTC No. 16109422
Where can I read his studies and articles, more specifically, about the
I pretty much dislike the term "Autist Spectrum Disorder" as opposed to the now-defunct "Asperger's Syndrome". I staunchly oppose the idea that a literal mouth drooling retard who cannot even form coherent words has the same as historical people that sometimes called "autistic" like Einstein, Nietszche, Kant, Tesla, etc.
This is why I would like to read on Asperger's original theories as I believe he has been unfairly demonized as the Nazi doctor just because
>I hate psychology. It's almost a pseudoscience in its vagueness and misdiagnoses.
Any other recommendations on books that talk about this black hole that are ADHD/ASD diagnoses is also appreciated.
I've been getting really invested in this subject, and I hate the way neo-psychology treats these disorders. It's all over the place.
They're not bad, they make you "special", but at the same time you NEED to be medicated to be normal
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 17:27:16 UTC No. 16109445
>>16109422
Search for "Autistic sociopathy Asperger". You should find a .pdf article dated from 1941 or 1942 which describes Asperger's original cases.
>I staunchly oppose the idea that a literal mouth drooling retard who cannot even form coherent words has the same as historical people that sometimes called "autistic" like Einstein, Nietszche, Kant, Tesla, etc.
That's not for you to decide. That's the decision of the APA, a psychiatric organization, which gets lavishly funded by pharmaceutical companies. You may add 2+2 to figure out why they likely did that.
> I believe he has been unfairly demonized as the Nazi docto
The decision to remove Asperger's happened in 2013. Asperger himself was only "outed" as a nazi in 2018. You may add 3+5 to figure out why autism activists nowadays claim that Asperger's was removed over his nazi connections.
>Any other recommendations on books that talk about this black hole that are ADHD/ASD diagnoses is also appreciated.
In my opinion, there aren't really any good books on that subject because there's no real science behind either ADHD or ASD. You can read Simon Baron-Cohen's papers if you're interested in flawed and largely disproven cognitive claims. Genetic papers go like: We've found a super rare de novo mutation that causes autism in one out of 2 million people. Most of the other stuff on either ADHD or autism is corporate PR propaganda. The book that I probably enjoyed most about both ADHD and autism is children's mental health by Timimi which talks abuot how hollow and devoid of science these diagnoses actually are.
>They're not bad, they make you "special", but at the same time you NEED to be medicated to be normal
Corporate PR but that's also because they're way overdiagnosed (even by their own arbitrary standards).
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 18:06:12 UTC No. 16109489
>>16109445
Not OP but you seem versed in the field. Are you one of these professionals you seem keen on disparaging? Why do you have such a vendetta against the psychiatric/psychologic industry?
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 18:08:14 UTC No. 16109490
>>16109445
>That's not for you to decide. That's the decision of the APA, a psychiatric organization, which gets lavishly funded by pharmaceutical companies. You may add 2+2 to figure out why they likely did that.
There are no medicines for autism and obviously high-functioning cases don't get the same treatment as severe cases. So, I'm not sure what conspiracy you think you've uncovered but I am pretty sure it's fucking stupid.
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 18:22:39 UTC No. 16109510
>>16109445
>which talks abuot how hollow and devoid of science these diagnoses actually are.
GOD
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
I'm glad I'm not the only one that acknowledges this. I feel less insane about it.
I wanted to hear specifically on Asperger since I remember reading that he was one of the first to defend some kids he recognized as proto-aspies; low/incompetent social skills, not normal, but still highly gifted and intelligent.
Modern psychiatry is definitely closer to a pseudoscience. I trust phrenology more than a diagnosis of being "on the spectrum"
Saying that Autism is a spectrum feels like physical disability is a spectrum. That a man with tremors has the same as an amputee. It's all in the "Physical Disability Spectrum Disorder"
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 18:48:18 UTC No. 16109549
>>16109510
Does it also bother you that epilepsy can involve both full body convulsions and a slight lapse in consciousness that is barely noticeable to onlookers?
>Sure it helps psychologists better understand related afflictions but it doesn't FEEEEEL right to me so it's wrong!
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 18:58:08 UTC No. 16109561
>>16109489
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 19:36:08 UTC No. 16109592
>>16109489
>Why do you have such a vendetta against the psychiatric/psychologic industry?
Personal reasons. On the one hand, I know people who work in the pharmaceutical industry or are doctors. Their stance on meds and other treatments is... contradictory. They would admit to not taking the meds if they were the patients. I was also discouraged by several doctors, in private, from taking the covid vaccine. The other reason is that I know people who have likely, admittedly I can't prove that, died of drug-related symptoms. Like many here, probably, I was forced on stimulant drugs over an acclaimed case of ADHD (which was undiagnosed later on) that gave me circulatory problems.
>>16109490
>So, I'm not sure what conspiracy you think you've uncovered but I am pretty sure it's fucking stupid.
Officially, the reason was about poor diagnostic differentiation, something something about low kappa values. Fact is that Cohen's kappa values for Asperger's, PDD-NOS and HF-Autism (think of Asperger's + language delay "kid ain't talking") were no better or lower than the ones for Bipolar disorder, Schizophrenia and Schizoaffective disorder. I've seen the paper. I also know the κ-values of other diagnoses. The decision simply is inconsistent. In addition, if these three conditions were just one condition, autism I presume, why call it a spectrum then? Any psychological condition ranges from incredibly impairing to "in remission". We're not talking of the Depression or Schizophrenia spectrum.
It parallels misnomers "Attention-deficit-hyperactivity-di
We were also promised back in 2013 that the new definition would curb autism diagnoses so that this would finally stabilize. That did not happen.
Considering that the DSM-V or the ICD (only certain sections) are, essentially, nothing but descriptions used by psychiatrists to bill insurance companies, I naturally assume that merging these three different diagnoses just reflects commercial interests.
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 19:40:33 UTC No. 16109596
>>16109549
>Does it also bother you that epilepsy can involve both full body convulsions and a slight lapse in consciousness that is barely noticeable to onlookers?
Epilepsy can be measured and subsequently accurately identified based on its neurophysical action. Whether or not this results in full-body convulsions or is asymptomatic is largely due to where it happens and how extensive it is. And yes, epileptic cases are accurately differentiated when this is possible so we have different kinds of epilepsies.
One has yet to show me that there is a common essence to all the people diagnosed with autism, especially today when we have a quite extensive knowledge of the various very specific genetic and metabolical abnormalities that give rise to severe autism cases. You can't really claim that a case of severe autism + intellectual disability caused by Fragile X-syndrome is etiologically or medically the same as a kid who has trouble making eye contact, but shows little to no other physical and cognitive problems. The autism label is clearly tied to insurance policies, "give that kiddo therapy and maybe some anti-psychotics", more so than any actual science.
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Apr 2024 19:57:00 UTC No. 16109608
>>16109422
When will the Tesla meme die?
Anonymous at Wed, 3 Apr 2024 02:58:44 UTC No. 16110051
>>16109592
>Considering that the DSM-V or the ICD (only certain sections) are, essentially, nothing but descriptions used by psychiatrists to bill insurance companies, I naturally assume that merging these three different diagnoses just reflects commercial interests.
Are there any books a layman could read on this?
Anonymous at Wed, 3 Apr 2024 03:11:10 UTC No. 16110055
>>16109422
Autism is a spectrum disorder, meaning it is different for different people. People on extreme end of social spectrum are socially inept retards like incels, non-verbal retards, etc.
Assburger syndrome just overlaps within this spectrum, so it is redundant to separate Assburger and ASD. They were merged for consistency reasons. You don't know what you're talking about, because your little autistic retard brain fixated on the word "Assburger" and "ASD" and couldn't move past what the diagnostic criteria and a spectrum disorder means.
Anonymous at Wed, 3 Apr 2024 03:40:18 UTC No. 16110092
>>16109549
I'm pretty sure that Epilepsy can be tracked with an electroencephalogram or however they call them. That one that has a bunch of cables in the patient's head. But how do you measure autism?
Anonymous at Wed, 3 Apr 2024 10:16:40 UTC No. 16110442
>>16110051
>Are there any books a layman could read on this?
Read the DSM-5, for example. They're fairly explicit about that. It's the practitioners who largely hope that their customer won't get that mental health diagnoses aren't really hard medical diagnoses.
>>16110055
>Autism is a spectrum disorder, meaning it is different for different people
Quite a useless statement, isn't it? Aren't we all on the autism spectrum then? Aren't the diagnostic criteria for it generalizable to the point where everyone arguable has autism which is why everyone gets diagnosed with it?
Anonymous at Wed, 3 Apr 2024 12:42:23 UTC No. 16110583
>>16110432
even if, that will never be accepted/integrated in any fucking way. normies would seethe to hell and back.
if you don't understand how a minority of different people are treated by normie humans at large, you haven't payed attention. especially if said minority is better than normies, at some things.
Anonymous at Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:30:09 UTC No. 16110690
>>16109422
>They're not bad, they make you "special", but at the same time you NEED to be medicated to be normal
Are you saying this, or is this a sentiment from the medical community you resent?
Anonymous at Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:48:31 UTC No. 16111605
>>16110690
It's what people seem to express with neurodiverhence. "Everyone is special and should feel proud about it" but at the same time, here are some meds for your tapping of the table which shows you suffer from a severe case of ADHD
Anonymous at Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:58:40 UTC No. 16111617
>>16109422
>every sentence starts with "I"
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases
Anonymous at Thu, 4 Apr 2024 08:49:01 UTC No. 16111769
>>16109422
>Einstein, Nietszche, Kant, Tesla, etc.
why are you diagnosing dead people with your mental illness
Anonymous at Thu, 4 Apr 2024 19:31:45 UTC No. 16112398
>>16111617
Is it wrong to express that what I'm saying is merely a personal opinion, rather than fact? Why, do tell me how should an opinion-based sentence be written if it isn't with the word "I".
>>16111769
Never did I mention that I have it myself. You can easily do a quick google of "famous persons with autism" and some of these names will pop up
Anonymous at Thu, 4 Apr 2024 19:35:37 UTC No. 16112405
this is a clear case where the weak (normies) are demonizing the strong (Aspies).
https://www.healthline.com/health/a
they are doing it out of fear. every Aspie knows how we involuntarily trigger NPD freaks. this is them seething
Anonymous at Thu, 4 Apr 2024 22:19:32 UTC No. 16112665
>>16112398
>Never did I mention that I have it myself
No need to, we can tell.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 02:03:22 UTC No. 16112936
>>16112405
Call them normoids, it is more rare and makes them seethe more.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 17:57:35 UTC No. 16114003
>>16110092
>But how do you measure autism?
NTA, but if the claim about autism being caused by excessive nevral branching is true, then the firing rate should probably be higher. ALso functional MRI should light up a lot more than for neurotypicals.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 18:18:38 UTC No. 16114039
>>16114003
Not exactly, neurotypical people suffer essentially a neocortical death that involves amassive dieoff of connections starting at an early age and essentially no useful function of the neocortex by adolescence.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 18:22:07 UTC No. 16114050
>>16111617
What are you going to do about it normgroid. Your kind is on the way out. We will have your people in shackles.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Apr 2024 19:04:49 UTC No. 16114111
>>16110055
The guy responsible for the change from Asperger's to ASD said he regrets it because it just created more problems by conflating the socially inept with those with much more profound needs, which are barely relatable.