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Anonymous No. 16111824

is eating bugs good for you?

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Anonymous No. 16111833

Eating bugs is unethical due to it potentially causing large amounts of insect suffering.

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/i-will-not-eat-the-bugs
https://reducing-suffering.org/why-i-dont-support-eating-insects/

Anonymous No. 16111845

Cockroach milk is the next superfood.

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Anonymous No. 16111846

>>16111845

Anonymous No. 16111896

>>16111846
something tells me theyre not wishing they are kidding. in fact i believe theyre overjoyed at the prospect of being able to spew such horseshit

Anonymous No. 16111913

>>16111846
Is there any image of a glass of roach milk? I'm extremely curious lol. I thought milk was a secretion of mammary glands which cockroach don't have

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Anonymous No. 16111980

>>16111913
You WILL drink the bugs

Anonymous No. 16111984

It's cheaper to farm bugs than livestock. It's a business meme at this point. Elite will continue to eat meat and dairy while the rest of us plebs eat bugs. They are just saying "It's good for the environment" then laughing behind our backs because they are still making money off of us because we still have to eat.

Anonymous No. 16111986

I've got a different kind of milk that you'd enjoy.

Cock milk

Anonymous No. 16112019

>>16111984
Chickens turn bugs into eggs.

Anonymous No. 16112045

>>16111846
How do you milk a cockroach, with tweezers?

Anonymous No. 16112108

>>16111824
if you really want to "save da environment" we should just switch to single-cell-protein grown off landfill gas

Anonymous No. 16112126

how efficient is human feeding to use the energy?

Anonymous No. 16112129

>>16112126 me
as in if we start with sunlight, compared to some robot getting said power with solar panels and using it for similar activity as a human, how much more wasteful is the whole human feeding thing

Anonymous No. 16112262

>>16111824
Some group with money is illiterate just trying to create a new industry so they can make more money. I don't think it's much more sinister than that. I don't really think they'll succeed either

Anonymous No. 16112265

>>16112262
>illiterate
Ignore that word. I don't know how that got in there

Anonymous No. 16112279

>>16111824
You need to become software developer, they can transform resolved bugs into burgers and coffe.

Anonymous No. 16112419

>>16112262
The group itself may not have more sinister motives yet more malevolent intentions easily exist outside of this group. If you really don’t see why it’s a bad thing then revisit the question of why it would be a bad thing.

Anonymous No. 16113317

>>16112019
This is just one of the many miracles that God created which science cannot reproduce.

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Anonymous No. 16113361

>>16111846
>>16112262

So, I actually looked this up the other day and it's more or less being pushed by one French Tech-Company called "Ÿnsect". (Their wikipedia page in french: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%B8nsect )
Ÿnsect was founded in 2011 by 3 French Engineers, and 1 French environmental Scientist, who all personally subscribe to the "bugs are the future food" and won't hear anything to the otherwise? They have some UN East-Indian business man as their CEO and ?for whatever reason? they just keep getting awards, they've raised half a billion dollars from WEF-types (and banks), and have constant access to dozens of very important business people and humanitarian/technocratic globalist groups that believe whatever they tell them.
Ÿnsect is one of the largest bug-as-food companies in the world and they're not technically profitable. It's like a Tesla situation: their economy is insisting upon a hypothetical 'future'.

The thing about it though: >>16111984 is that this Anon is and isn't wrong.
It's not actually cheaper to farm insects than it is to farm livestock. I'm not a farmer, or a business major, but it's some kind of intentional numbers-obfication thing? Like, if you feed them this, and get these zoning permits, and use these people, etc.. Then yeah bugs are cheaper on paper? But the reality is it's just some out-of-touch nerds idea of a superfood: they still need to be fed oats & livestock feed or they'll taste even worse, people who're allergic to shellfish can't eat them (and get sick if they inhale their dander), they generate filth & disease even in ideal conditions, many edible insects are also cannibalistic, breeding them actually takes a lot of manual labor, and you can't actually farm them in urban areas because if they escape you'll have, like, MILLIONS of crickets loose eating people's carpets, living in their walls, biting their toes.

Anonymous No. 16113678

>>16111824
No. Bugs are full of helicobacter pylori. And that is very bad for you.

Anonymous No. 16113732

>>16113361
>if they escape you'll have, like, MILLIONS of crickets loose
This is a pretty serious problem that no one ever talks about. Everyone just assumes nothing will go wrong, but the ecological consequences of an insect farm's containment breaking are so much more severe than the same thing happening with any animal livestock. If the fence of a ranch breaks you might have a couple dozen cows or chickens loose in a worst case scenario and you can find and bring them back while a few might get killed by predators or cars. If that happens in a bug farm you just permanently infested the entire local ecosystem with bugs it probably wasn't prepared to handle and shit's just fucked.

Anonymous No. 16113754

>>16111984
>still making money off of us because we still have to eat.
rich people make money off the exploitation of labor from the lower classes, not because they sell things to them. In general the rich dont need to hand over money to the poor so that they get to buy some product, this is an expense for the rich, not their source of wealth.
Its like saying a farmer with a team of oxen ploughing his field needs these oxen to consume crops.

Anonymous No. 16113775

>>16113754
>rich people make money off the exploitation of labor from the lower classes, not because they sell things to them.
Describe how a business of any kind can make money without people purchasing their goods or services.

Anonymous No. 16113786

>>16113361
The push for bugs in the West is a little bit strange to me. They already have vast markets to sell to in Asia. Objectively, I would eat whole bug meat if it looked like shrimp. Currently, there is no way they are sorting bug mash, so it is all being heavily processed. Probably turned into powders and reconstituted shit.
Insects have a completely different composition from animals as well.They exist at a scale where geometry allow for tiny nothing muscles carrying relatively massive stores of energy/organs.
When someone makes the AI sorter to dissect and clean bugs, then I might be interested. I am betting bug organs would be a good source for vitamins and are probably safe to eat with a mild roast.

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Anonymous No. 16113825

>>16111824
is npr gonna be ok?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xj1U7cwL0X0

Anonymous No. 16113830

>>16111824
are duplicate threads good for you?

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Anonymous No. 16113842

>>16113786
bugs costs less to keep cattle fed. what do you think happens after robos take over most jobs and humans get on UBI? think humans gonna be all in that steak and burgers? lmao, why? why can you as a human offer for that once on UBI?
think today is the best food we ever going to get. this food is quite expensive, and takes up a lot of land. billy has better use for it

Anonymous No. 16113887

>>16111824

If you check Arab twitter, you'll see there's a catering sector relating to cooking & eating bugs.

I've discovered it on accident when reading Arab banter (I think it's banter, otherwise they really hate each other for real) and Arab racism against Africans.
A bit wild but one rabbit hole lead me to the rabbit hole of Arabs eating bugs.

So I assume it started from there & it spilled over Northern America & Europe for some reason.
Although I do remember Alex Jones in a video during Obama years, at some circus fair in Texas(?), criticizing food ventors selling bugs (crickets) to the public to eat, and after ranting, he took some crispy bugs and ate them himself, with some kids "eewwww"-ing in the background at him audibly munching on crickets/insects and other passerbys laughing.

But again, I think it started with the Arabs & now, for some reason, our parents' generation gerontocratic octogenarian land-n-natural resources-owing decision-makers are at it again with this nonsensical shit to appease(?) Arabs & oil producers.

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Anonymous No. 16113941

>>16111824
quail like dubias

Anonymous No. 16114146

I can't believe the big tough guys on the right are so afraid of eating bugs. When I was in elementary school you were the coolest kid in class if you had a bag of mealworms from the planetarium. Only the girliest girls thought it was gross to eat them. The cheddar ones tasted weird, but the barbecue flavor was delicious.

Here's a revolutionary idea: if you don't want to eat bugs, just don't buy them!

Anonymous No. 16114198

>>16113775
Money is just a means by which to scalp labor value, as the article by which time is exchanged in labor (money) can be removed to some degree per transaction by those that employ labor. Since the entire system is set up to take labor value this way, value effectively accrues in the accounts of production owners, as laborers - tied into this system with no known viable alternative - must exchange their labor value (in money) for goods and services which have been taxed from and produced by their labor.

TL;DR: Money is a construct to siphon labor value from workers to keep them working for the benefit of production owners. Does this make sense to you?

Anonymous No. 16114207

>>16114198
So what you're saying is that businesses do in fact have to sell their goods and services to customers in order to make money, stay in existence, and enrich the owners of the business?

Anonymous No. 16114248

>>16111980
>they don't produce greenhouse gasses
bugs don't breathe? no aerobic respiration at all, damn

Anonymous No. 16114407

Normally I'm against power tripping jannies policing threads but if there's a place that would benefit from it it's this sub 80 IQ shithole of a board

Anonymous No. 16114558

>>16114207
I'm basically saying that selling goods and services is mostly a sham to begin with, covering for a similar system to what has existed throughout history.

Anonymous No. 16114616

>>16114198
And what happens when that labor is automated away? Will you protest for the rights of the squirrel cage motor?

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Anonymous No. 16114622

you will be bullied into eating ze bugs

Anonymous No. 16114629

The only way I'll eat bugs is if they're eaten by chickens.

Anonymous No. 16114632

>>16114629
but the most likely way is without knowing you're eating the bugs. some retards will go like
>you've been eating bugs for the last year they put it in everything so if you already eat them why stop, you didn't seem to mind.

Anonymous No. 16114636

>>16114632
I don't eat processed food. Whole foods only for me.

Anonymous No. 16114976

>>16114146
>Here's a revolutionary idea: if you don't want to eat bugs, just don't buy them!
My government also had a revolutionary idea! Just keep increasing food prices!

Anonymous No. 16116381

>>16114146
>Here's a revolutionary idea: if you don't want to eat bugs, just don't buy them!
they know we won't buy them so they start putting it in various foods so we start eating them without noticing.
we are being bullied into eating bugs, like it or not

Anonymous No. 16116454

If they just made them into some cheap bullshit processed food products it can't be worse than ground beef or spam and I love that shit. Peoples aversion to bug products is retarded, the way regular meat is handled is also bit revolting at times but its still perfectly safe and people like the end product

Anonymous No. 16116516

probably

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16117759

>>16116454
humans can't digest bug protein, its toxic and causes cancer

Anonymous No. 16118430

>>16117759
All of the places in the world where people eat bug also have short life expectancy, this is no coincidence

Anonymous No. 16118796

Honestly I'd try an insect diet, I'd like to see if it impacts my performance. I always wanted to try the protein jelly bars from Snowpiercer.

It would take centuries to destroy the meat culture in europe or the US, and that's assuming we have enough long term research to prove that replacing meat with insects has no impact on health.

Anonymous No. 16118802

negative social credit for not eating the insects. your insurance also just went up, company saw your comment and decided you are at higher risk of death for eating meat. you are fucked now anon. tomorrow you'll be fired and in one month your wife will dump your ass and your kid will hate you forever.
was it worth it anon? not feasting on the insects?

Anonymous No. 16118832

>>16114198
>source:
>two or three 18th century aristocrats who had never visited a farm and never even heard of a steam engine

Anonymous No. 16118843

>>16117759
a big problem is the chitin exoskeleton
parasites are made of the same material so it causes a lot of auto-immune issues

Anonymous No. 16118874

I love the "shitholes have been eating bugs for centuries" argument, because it supposes I want to imitate people who are so primitive they haven't figured out toilets yet.

Anonymous No. 16118879

>>16111824
Isn't candy made out of bugs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellac

Anonymous No. 16118884

bug-denier derangement syndrome is in the works

Anonymous No. 16119537

>>16113842
>former dustbowl is allocated for cow grazing
>cows eat grass, poop out plant nutrients
>soil gradually becomes more and more fertile as cows poop on it more

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16120162

>>16118874
the same people who want you to eat bugs also want you to fill up your country with the most disgusting, backwards and unintelligent third worlders on the planet

Anonymous No. 16120235

>>16111980
Almost all of my reservations against black people are forgiven whenever I watch this webm and see their utter expression at the end. At that moment, I feel genuine kinship, and I hope we can fight Semitic tricks like this bug matter as brethren.

Anonymous No. 16120243

>>16114976
Food prices have dropped where I am, except cheap premade shit like doritos

Anonymous No. 16120278

>>16113361
Stop forming everything as question you fucking woman.

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 16120297

>>16119537
Allan Savory proved that concept long ago. I used to drive around in the west a lot and I thought it looked like the government had made all the shittiest land wilderness and kept all the good stuff for grazing, but apparently what had really happened was that the grazed land had naturally been improved by the grazing process so it ended up looking and being more fertile than the untouched wilderness.

Anonymous No. 16120589

>>16120243
Well then you're lucky. We're in the middle of an eggs and dairy shortage, and meat prices are up some 70% compared to 2 years ago.
First world btw.

Anonymous No. 16120665

>>16111824
>Some companies try to sell edible bugs.
>Reichtozoid retards - THE GLOBALIST KIKE OVERLORDS ARE GONNA FORCE EVERYONE TO EAT ZE BUGS!!1!!

That's why you shouldn't get your news from headline snapshots on your social media feeds.

Anonymous No. 16121056

>>16111824
You already love eating sea bugs like shrimp and lobsters, anon. So, I guess eating land bugs is good for you too.

Anonymous No. 16121085

>>16114207
>>16118832
I think the point is that the current system is just an expedient convention from the perspective of owners and power-holders. "Businesses" can be done away with or replaced, or any alternative system replaced by "businesses"/autonomic commerce with usage of the "article of money", so long as labour is being allocated in ways beneficial to those at the centre of the system. Only in primitive, small-scale systems wherein labourers extract value directly from the environment without external power-holders controlling essential scarcities or production, like stateless subsistence agriculture, do labourers escape this orbit -- but this simply makes the labourers also owners, predicated upon them exerting de facto control over the productive object of land.

>>16114616
If they give the rest us little treats and don't starve us it probably won't end up too intolerable to be replaced at the end-point of automation.

Anonymous No. 16121093

>>16121085
>bro the system just, like, extracts blood, sweat, and tears from workers by magic and turns it into money
>nothing is built, nothing is exchanged, it's all just vague "labor" being "extracted" in some esoteric way that doesn't map to reality at all
I fucking hate communist retards so much.

Anonymous No. 16121099

>>16120665
Bugs are on very bottom of food chain, if you deprive other animals of bugs you will collapse whole ecosystem. This is why humans do not eat them. India already dumps tons of toxic trash into oceans and air pollution is extreme. Their whole ecosystem is in absolute shitter, same will happen to china

Anonymous No. 16121117

>>16121093
Kek it's not communism to acknowledge certain inputs and prerequisites are scarcer than others, or that advanced networks of production and distribution are abstractions built upon the nomics of a multi-agent system. Neither you nor me are stronger than the state or the president or Caesar. Does seeing the word "labour" trigger you in every economic context?

Dr. J No. 16121126

I'd never listen to anything NPR says

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Anonymous No. 16121129

>bug paste or liquid
yikes
>whole roasted bugs
hell yeah

Anonymous No. 16121134

>>16111824
Americans won't do it, it's a terrible place to test it. It can only be feasibly introduced in countries where starvation is an issue, or where it can be made cheap enough so that it's an attractive alternative.
They'll need to be proven a success in africa, south america, etc, before even being considered for more advanced countries.

Anonymous No. 16121144

>>16121117
What I hate is talking about it at such a high, abstract level that the actual process of what's happening is completely obfuscated. That's the purpose of my questions in >>16113775 and >>16114207, to try to ground the discussion in something real instead of all the "labor extraction" abstractions that mean nothing. The most absurd example being what I quoted earlier:
>rich people make money off the exploitation of labor from the lower classes, not because they sell things to them.

In reality, things need to be built and bought and exchanged. Companies don't make money from plugging some soul-stealing enema up their workers' asses and magically converting it to power and wealth, they make money when people pay for goods they produce and/or services they offer, all of which were built or performed by the workers at the company.

Dr. J No. 16121236

>>16121144
^

Anonymous No. 16121746

If it's for health and environmental concerns, I'll just eat beans/legumes. I don't know why we have to jump straight to eating roaches.

Anonymous No. 16121755

>>16111913
you know how they soak oats in water and add a touch of oil to make oatmilk?
Its even better with roach milk since their flesh has natural oils for emulsification and all that extra protein

Anonymous No. 16122795

Everyone knows it's about degrading human beings by making them eat something far below their standing on the food chain that they have a natural revulsion to rather than any environmentalism or cost cutting, right?
I mean, isn't that what everyone more or less thinks even if they might not want to say it?

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16123274

>>16111980
vegans: REEEEEE WHY ARE YOU DRINKING MILK!?!?!! MILK IS FOR BABIES!!!!

also vegans: YOU SHOULD DRINK SOIY MILK ITS GOOD!!!! STOP BEING A CHUD AND DRINK MUH ERSATZ MILK

Anonymous No. 16123294

>>16111824
>I will never eat zie bugs
>Proceeds to eat beef, poultry, and fish products adulterated with GH, antibiotics, and other pharmaceuticals without blinking an eye.

Eating bugs isn't necessarily good for you but it is probably way better than eating commercially raised cattle, poultry, fish, and their derivatives. The only thing I know of you can get from eating bugs would be parasites (like tapeworm) if they aren't cooked or heat treated.

The average commercial dairy treats milk products with over 150 known dioxins.

Anonymous No. 16123315

>>16114629
That logic is why 90% of your food contains traces of sõy

Anonymous No. 16123341

>>16123315
Because they feed it to chickens? There's nothing wrong with eating the meat of an animal that eats soi, for the same reason there's no problem eating the meat of an animal that eats bugs. The whole reason those things are bad for humans is that we can't digest them properly, but if a chicken or cow has already done all the digestion and nutrient extraction there's no problem.

Anonymous No. 16123734

>>16123341
> The whole reason those things are bad for humans is that we can't digest them properly
Unless you have some kind of allergy, you can digest onions properly

Anonymous No. 16123736

too much hassle. just gibs nice robobody and some solar panels

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16124849

>>16123274
vegans are low IQ as a result of their diet, thats why they say stupid things all the time

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16125534

>>16124849
They had to be low IQ to begin with to choose that lifestyle, the diet only exacerbates their problems

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16126384

>>16123274
this, but also for vegan "meat" and vegan "eggs"

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16127645

>>16121746
Humiliation ritual, its supposed to make you as a goyim/slave admit that you understand your position in society.

Anonymous No. 16127947

>>16116454
>it can't be worse
parasitic load
omega ratio
feces ratio
tastes like shit, so it ALWAYS has to be processed and additives out the ass
etc
etc
but no,
HUUURRR, NUTHIN CAN BE WERSE THEN X, AMIRITE, GUYSE??? AM I RELATABLE RITE NAO? DURRR

So tiresome

Anonymous No. 16127948

>>16111824
Probably not, or humans who weren't poorfags from shitholes would've been doing it already for a long time.

Anonymous No. 16127952

>>16123341
>Because they feed it to chickens? There's nothing wrong with eating the meat of an animal that eats soi, for the same reason there's no problem eating the meat of an animal that eats bugs.
chickens don't eat bugs, they eat feed
the farm bugs don't eat from the forest underbrush
they eat feed

you retard
>there's nuthin bad about dem sois
phytohormones, lectins (yes, these survive in meat) and, most of all, omega ratios
>The whole reason those things are bad for humans is that we can't digest them properly, but if a chicken or cow has already done all the digestion and nutrient extraction there's no problem.
lmao retard, the lectins are the only thing hard to digest. everything else is the food being TRASH.

but animals, even the ones better at dealing with the lectins (chickens certainly aren't it, neither are bugs) end up eating nothing but the lectins. In the end there's a big enough residue in their bodies to fuck people up anyway

you're fed trash and you deserve it for being such an intellectually lazy retard, but thanks to you everybody else suffers as well

Anonymous No. 16127963

>>16127952
>chickens don't eat bugs
Properly raised chickens do. I get my eggs and chicken from a farm where the chickens do in fact eat more forage than feed. I feel like you didn't actually understand my initial post. The point I was making is that chickens are omnivores which eat bugs, so eating chicken is the closest I'll ever get to eating bugs.

Anonymous No. 16127965

>>16111833
>Utilitarianism
Please, fuck off.

Anonymous No. 16128416

>eat bugs because it’s space, water, energy, etc efficient
Why don’t they just push for people to eat tastier invertebrates like oysters and crayfish which are just as easy to raise?

Anonymous No. 16128418

>>16127952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVQ1GnjlDMc

Anonymous No. 16128423

>>16111980
for me it's
>walk outside to barn
>say hello to MY cow (I claim ownership of this animal, and deny it agency, and designate it as subservient and inferior to me, and my possession)
>grasp cow nipple on milkbag of cow
>pull and squeeze cow nipple
>acquire milk

Anonymous No. 16128482

>>16128416
Humiliation ritual. Push for bugs while pricing meat and other quality produce out of the reach of the middle class.

Anonymous No. 16129889

>>16128423
>grasp cow nipple on milkbag of cow
>pull and squeeze cow nipple
>acquire milk
cows love it when you do that, milking time is their favorite time of day.

Anonymous No. 16130743

>>16111824
What other "right win conspiracy theories" are also correct?

Anonymous No. 16130765

>>16128416
You VILL eat ze bug scheiße.

Anonymous No. 16130962

>>16129889
Yeah because they will be in pain if skipped for a few days

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>>16130743

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>>16130743

Anonymous No. 16133607

>>16130743
MRNA vaccines, or vaccines that do not contain the entire protein structure of a virus, are a big fat stupid waste of time that cause more problems than they solve, NEVER had the ability to wipe out a respiratory virus and were never sold on being able to do so even though they were shilled as having that ability, invite the ability to program a dose for a particular person by way of using PCR to manufacture something other than rna for the antigen, and at best end up working like allergy shots.
https://www.rintrah.nl/the-trainwreck-of-all-trainwrecks-billions-of-people-stuck-with-a-broken-immune-response/

Also I'm not forgetting how they changed the definitions of:
>Case: from someone in the hospital sick with the disease, to anyone who tests positive on a hypersensitive test that seriously couldn't tell the difference between COVID and the flu.
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
>Death: From someone who dies of the disease to someone who dies within 28 days of a positive result on the aforementioned hypersensitive test.
>Pandemic: From a widespread malady of sickness and death, to just enough people testing positive on the aforementioned hypersensitive test thus becoming a case.

And telling people that wearing a mask would protect other people from you was absolute horseshit, as was insisting that the vector was macroscopic droplets instead of aerosols like every other respiratory virus. Just mechanically, it doesn't make sense.

They could have done nothing and there would have been less death.

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Anonymous No. 16134265

>>16130743
The holocaust never happened

Anonymous No. 16134998

>>16134265
>a few people lied therefore the whole thing must be false!!
That's like saying the whole war in Afghanistan never happened because some people claim stolen valor and lie about their service.

Anonymous No. 16135051

>>16111824
C'mon you don't want to be RACIST do you, goyim?
Eat the bugs.

Anonymous No. 16135068

>>16134998
>Because a thing never happened and everyone lied about it, it didn't happen
Yes.

Anonymous No. 16135188

>>16130743
Viruses have never been proven to exist.