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Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:11:43 UTC No. 16115503
>3rd year computer science going great
>got brain damage from oxygen deprivation
>back in courses and can't understand 50% of what's happening anymore
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:14:36 UTC No. 16115507
>>16115503
good luck
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:25:56 UTC No. 16115535
Don't do drugs, folx. Be happy you are still alive
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:37:04 UTC No. 16115551
>>16115535
It wasn't drugs, just an honest mistake, but yeah I'm glad to be here
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:56:26 UTC No. 16115571
Be careful with autoerotic asphyxiation
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 19:04:18 UTC No. 16115582
>>16115503
t'would be a pretty cool story if you manage to see it through anyway. that's what i'd tell myself atleast
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Apr 2024 19:36:11 UTC No. 16115636
Depends how long ago when the damage was. You can repair to near if not all capability again if you immediately start physical therapy, usually for concussions though; you will regain a lot of the function over time regardless; you can build new brain synapse with regimenting but I’m not explaining that because it’s not foolproof/safe.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 00:41:07 UTC No. 16116119
>>16115551
what the fuck kind of honest mistake causes brain damage?
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 00:50:11 UTC No. 16116134
>>16115503
I had chemotherapy and it ruined my intellectual ability. Bad luck gets you sometimes...
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 01:01:48 UTC No. 16116151
>>16116119
autoerotic asphyxiation
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 01:12:47 UTC No. 16116161
>>16116151
lmao what the fuck you perverted retard
who does that? who fucking does that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96P
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 01:18:46 UTC No. 16116170
there's some bad research about microdosing lsd
dunno, sounds made up though
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 01:22:44 UTC No. 16116175
>>16115503
you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 01:38:17 UTC No. 16116197
>>16116170
not a good idea.
if you want to do something that drastic, try cerebrolysin or semax first.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 02:48:09 UTC No. 16116289
>>16116161
Not that anon but I unironically want to suffocate under a chubby woman's ass
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 02:51:15 UTC No. 16116296
Well i can relate sort of. I use a drug a lot that 100% contains high amounts of heavy metals. I definitely notice cognitive decline. But idgaf im already smarter than most people and I still am even with this added handicap. But it can be scary when something i know suddenly just isnt there anymore. For example piano song i played 1000 times suddenly ill just reach a section and its not there anymore, and I have to relearn it
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 06:25:42 UTC No. 16116483
>>16116197
TRY SEMEN?! LMAO WHAT THE FUCK YOU FAGGOT LOOOOOOL
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 06:31:20 UTC No. 16116486
>>16115503
>>16116151
>tfw god directly smites perverts
>>16116197
>lsd
>drastic
One of the most benign and harmless drugs you could possibly take. Cigarettes are a hundred times more dangerous.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 07:06:35 UTC No. 16116502
>>16115535
>DUH HECKIN DRUGERINOOS DUN DID IT.
Idiot normie NPC. My first thought was OP must have done autoerotic asphyxiation or tried to khs and reading this thread my guess was correct. Had he used drugs he would be in much better shape and wouldn't have ruined his mind and brain through sexual depravity. Opioids are safer, more dignified and better for you than hedonistic sexual activity.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 07:46:21 UTC No. 16116540
op you cute? I'll choke the shit out of you and call you a degenerate faggot the entire time. you'll love it
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:35:26 UTC No. 16116852
>>16116486
>One of the most benign and harmless drugs you could possibly take
Midwit detected. LSD won't hurt your organs but it can do irreparable damage to your psyche.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:38:33 UTC No. 16116855
>>16116151
This
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:47:11 UTC No. 16116871
>>16116502
>t. guy that thinks hes hard consuming kratom
actual opiate use is not healthy dude
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 14:18:10 UTC No. 16116899
>>16116852
How did you find this site, grandpa?
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:19:14 UTC No. 16116998
>>16116871
Kratom is to hard opiods what coffee is to methamphetamine
But that being said I do think opiods aren't as unhealthy as other hard drugs. Other than withdrawals and stuff they have milder long term effects. Stims by contrast a lot are legitimately neurotoxic to some extent.
>>16116899
You're a redditor acting like nothing bad can ever happen from weed and psychedelics, and if it did happen then "oh well they were predisposed to being with". The issue being no one could ever posssibly know whether or not they were predisposed to mental illness with complete certainty. I had some horrible trips and while there was no lasting negative effects (that I'm conscious of), not everyone bounces back. I personally know of a small handful of cases of people where were doing fine on Tuesday, tried acid on Wednesday, and by Friday morning were wandering around the streets muttering to themselves and still are homeless and lost several years later.
🗑️ OP at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:22:25 UTC No. 16117004
>>16115571
>>16116119
>>16116151
Oh my god I leave the thread and this freak is telling everyone I choked myself. Autoerotic asphyxiation is not what happened. My gf choked me while fucking me and I was too horny to tap out which is different from doing it to yourself like a freak.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:25:24 UTC No. 16117011
>>16117004
>My gf choked me while fucking m
🗑️ OP at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:27:40 UTC No. 16117014
>>16117011
Better than being a homo who does it to themselves
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:31:24 UTC No. 16117021
>>16117014
(You)
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:38:05 UTC No. 16117031
>>16116998
>The issue being no one could ever posssibly know whether or not they were predisposed to mental illness with complete certainty.
lmao
LSD has been aggressively studied for literal generations. If giving people such complete mental breakdowns to the point that previously normal people turn into permanently homeless crazies is such a common side effect that you personally know multiple people this happened to, then surely you can provide some corroborating evidence from medical literature, right? This isn't just your own bullshit anecdotes, right?
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:46:29 UTC No. 16117039
>>16117011
>>16117021
what did the posts say why are they gone
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:49:47 UTC No. 16117042
>>16116151
>autoerotic
Pleb tier. At least find a hot girl who will take your breath away.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:50:56 UTC No. 16117044
>>16116289
Based
OP at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 15:58:04 UTC No. 16117055
Everyone in the thread is larping please stop replying to them.
>>16115551 The honest mistake was just diving off a board too high and into a pool too deep for me and nothing else
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 16:02:45 UTC No. 16117061
>>16117039
Pic rel. His gf pegs and chokes him
>>16117031
No i dont have studies. I dont care if you believe me or not. The experience can be subjectively deeply traumatic for people, if you need a fucking study for that either you've never done acid yourself, or you're so søy-brained that you need a peer reviewed source to tell you if its raining or not
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 16:14:43 UTC No. 16117080
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 17:47:58 UTC No. 16117216
>>16117031
the peer reviewed science copout to this is to say they were le predisposed to becoming insane homeless crackheads because they had a 4th cousin with schizophrenia. you have been reading reddit too much to not understand psychedelics are dangerous
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 17:54:12 UTC No. 16117233
>>16115503
You can still be a web developer.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 19:03:22 UTC No. 16117343
>>16117216
this. not against them just against "yeah totally good for you" angle. people have a wildly varying perception of this world. and they usually fight everyone on it. psychedelic experiences can mess some people up.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 19:24:32 UTC No. 16117370
>>16117233
not with how fast generative ai is progressing.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 20:53:54 UTC No. 16117461
>>16117061
>No i dont have studies.
No surprise there. As usual, all you have is a purely faith-based argument supplemented by some lies about "people you know". I've personally done acid many times and the first time I did any psychedelic or any drug at all, for that matter, was 10g of mushrooms which remains one of the best experiences of my life.
No one is being permanently damaged or affected by these substances but for the ones who have a bad experience, that's entirely on them. Psychedelics are just tools and like any tool, they can be used improperly. If you hand someone a gun and they use it to shoot themselves, is it the fault of the gun?
>>16117216
>they were le predisposed to becoming insane homeless crackheads
I'm not asking for a scientific explanation for why this supposedly happens. What I'm asking for is even ONE single documented case of a previously normal, healthy person being transformed into a "homeless crackhead" because they tried acid once, as >>16116998 claims is such a common occurrence that he personally knows multiple people who tried acid literally one single time and became permanently homeless and insane as a result.
Surely this (apparently) extremely common process has been documented at least once?
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 20:55:15 UTC No. 16117465
>>16117461
hrmmm yes indubitably, undoubtedly this hast occurn before and documented by le awesomesauce science?
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:04:51 UTC No. 16117475
>>16117465
>literally no evidence of it having ever happened
>j-just believe me bro, i know like 15 guys who were perfectly normal until they tried acid ONCE and now they're crazy and homeless!!!
>what do you mean you want proof of this absurd claim? you think i would just come on 4chan and tell lies??
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:10:13 UTC No. 16117480
frequenting this board damages your brain way more than oxygen deprivation
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:15:59 UTC No. 16117484
>>16117461
>I've personally done acid many times and the first time I did any psychedelic or any drug at all, for that matter, was 10g of mushrooms which remains one of the best experiences of my life.
Source? Do you have any studies proving this? Without a peer reviewed paper why should i trust your anecdotal evidence anon? I need a source for that.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:23:46 UTC No. 16117490
>>16117484
That's cute but that's not how it works, anon. You can't "prove" a negative. When my position is that these substances are harmless, then the "proof" is the lack of even the slightest shred of evidence that they cause harm. When you are the one making a positive claim - that lsd can cause instant and permanent psychosis - then the burden of proof is on you, not me. My position is validated by the tens if not hundreds of millions of people who have taken lsd without experiencing any of the effects you claim are so common.
That said,
>I need a source for that.
Here you go:
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/a
>In the present study, LSD was not associated with lasting negative effects, as no lasting increases of negative attitudes, negative mood, and negative behavior could be observed after one and 12 months.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:25:34 UTC No. 16117493
>>16117475
I don't know what to tell you anon. There are all sorts of conventional knowledge that isnt documented by le science. You seem like a r*dditor, so if you want a documented source so bad go back to your favorite basedence website. Read through some of the subreddits and if you spend enough time you can probably locate the post history of someone and witness their deterioration over time. Especially easy to find on /r/dmt. Sort by new and you will occasionally see a post that resembles comple schizophrenic word salad. Sometimes you can click the name and you'll see an entire story laid out. Starting with regular posts, then an "tried dmt first time", then a gradual shift where you can actually see their mind turning to mush as their posts become less and less coherent.
This isn't LSD obviously, or single use, but its the only thing i can think of where you'll find something akin to documented psychedelic related onset of psychosis.
I used to find those kind of accounts just as a hobby and out of curiosity. Definitely the dmt subreddit was the easiest place to discover these cases.
Other than that, idk. Consult with friends. Ask around online. I dont know how common it is, but it is definitely common enough that you shouldn't have too hard of a time finding others with similar accounts.
Its strange that you expect some sort of scientific proof of this. For pretty obvious reasons i doubt there are any case studies or anything.
There's stuff like k2 spice and other stuff thats sold in gas stations that fucks people up, too. I dont have studies proving it, but feel free to go smoke spice yourself and give it a try. Lol.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:28:13 UTC No. 16117498
>>16117490
> n = 16
Whatever dude. You don't have to believe me at all. Listening to you, i have to assume anything not documented by Science TM doesn't even exist.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:30:48 UTC No. 16117500
>>16117475
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/vi
>Substance-induced psychotic disorders, more colloquially referred to as drug-induced psychoses, may represent up to one-quarter of first hospitalizations for psychosis. These persons are often excluded from early psychosis studies, which limits evidence on their prevalence, clinical course, and outcomes.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:47:37 UTC No. 16117524
>>16117061
Honestly, I feel bad for OP, that's so hot and as a virgin, I wish that happened to me. My mental faculties be dammed if it means that much sexxo.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:48:59 UTC No. 16117526
>>16117493
Here, i even found this from just a quick glance through most recent posts.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comme
Read his story and it is clearly an example of psychosis. Obviously this is not LSD, and he seems lucid enough by the time he wrote this post. But this at least shows one case where psychedelic use seems to have caused temporary psychosis. If you can accept this, it isnt too much of a stretch to understand that not everyone who goes into psychosis i. such a manner returns back to normal mental state afterwards. Some people experience long term damage to their psyche. Feel free to search yourself, i guarantee you'll find examples.
You have no reason to believe my anecdotal evidence, but I'll share a story anyways. It's from when I was in high school. There was a kid 2yrs older than me. Lets say his name was Jim. There was a popular spot in the woods of a park to smoke weed. One night me and a group of friends were out there, and Jim wandered up babbling incoherently, talking to himself, completely out of it. After some investigation, I found out that he'd done acid with some of his pals. They say he walked into a closet with the lights off during the trip and refused to come out. After that he was never sane again. Even years later he was still occasionally spotted wandering around the streets, clearly homeless, and clearly out of his mind. Before that he was a normal guy. These kind of stories are pretty common urban legends, but I witnessed it firsthand.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:49:12 UTC No. 16117527
>>16117480
Fuck.. I think you are onto something.
>>16115503
Fortunately we don't need tech to enjoy the best things life has to offer and intelligence is heritable so you can still raise children and give them a good life. Eventually we are all going to decline cognitively with age and we are all going to die. So just make better decisions now and raise your children to make better decisions.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:52:30 UTC No. 16117534
>>16117493
the dmt sub is pretty interesting to see sub-clinical psychosis. people there will post shit like "i believe dmt is a spaceship compacted down to a molecular level and created by aliens" and be totally serious. obviously someone that believes that is starting to become very fucked up mentally but its not going to appear in a le peer reviewed study any time soon
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 22:02:42 UTC No. 16117543
>>16117534
Yes, it's a guilty pleasure of mine. I did DMT myself a few times. I don't intend to ever do it again.
Here's another one: https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/commen
Reading through this reminds me a lot of a schizophrenic veteran I spoke with at the VA one time, how he talked about the little person watching him through the walls, and how he had powers, etc. They all have a certain manner of communicating that is readily identified. Like mentioning highly subjective feelings as objective truths, or sharing ideas in a way that is incoherent to an external listener.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Apr 2024 22:46:58 UTC No. 16117601
>>16117061
was op getting pegged or was he even more of a faggot and getting fucked by a tranny my money is on the tranny
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:49:10 UTC No. 16117883
>>16117498
I think I'll take my evidence with a small sample size over your complete lack of anything except your limp dick.
>>16117493
>>16117526
For a guy who uses "redditor" as an insult, you sure seem to spend a lot of time there.
>This isn't LSD obviously, or single use
Then it's not relevant to what you've been claiming, is it? If LSD could cause, quote,
>>16116998
>people where were doing fine on Tuesday, tried acid on Wednesday, and by Friday morning were wandering around the streets muttering to themselves and still are homeless and lost several years later.
in such large amounts that this single person can name
>a handful
of people he knows who have had this response then it seems very reasonable to think that at some point during the past 50 years of in-depth LSD research, someone might have noted
>hey, a significant number of people we test this drug on become permanently brain damaged and homeless
It's pretty sad that you're going to this extent to cope over the fact that you made up a dumb lie. Rather than own up to it or just close the thread and take the loss, you're still here dragging the goalposts all over the place in a vain attempt to pretend you weren't wrong.
I said that LSD is
>>16116486
>One of the most benign and harmless drugs you could possibly take.
I made no claims about any other substances so articles about vague "drugs"
>>16117500
(this article claims that weed is the riskiest drug that exists when it comes to "transition to schizophrenia")
or fucking DMT
>>16117526
are completely irrelevant.
Most drugs, especially ones that have been around for generations, have been studied pretty thoroughly. We know the side effects of LSD very well and they don't include
>going crazy and becoming homeless
If it were as common as you claim it is then it would be documented, fact. I think we both know that you've been desperately googling for some shred of evidence to support your claims. You haven't found it because it doesn't exist.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:44:19 UTC No. 16118020
>>16116151
Are you circumcised?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 11:44:26 UTC No. 16118450
>>16117883
>t. doesnt know how to read
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 11:49:25 UTC No. 16118456
>>16117883
You seem far to be more interested in winning an argument than you are in actually exchanging information. You don't have to believe me, but you're being slightly disingenuous. I established that a psychedelic substance *can* cause psychosis like symptoms, which is relevant. Secondly, you should understand why human studies involving an illegal drug are somewhat limited in scope of what is and isn't permissible.
Just because it didnt occur in a controlled environment while being formally documented doesn't mean it never happened.
Another anon shared a study with supporting evidence and you hand waved it away.
Finally, you are the only one who seems to insist what I described is "extremely common" when I never once stated or even implied that. I know of precisely 3 cases, only 1 which I personally witnessed. That being said, ask around online or explore a bit and you will likely find similar claims here and there. Of course this doesn't meet your standards for evidence, and that's fair. But i promise you i haven't made it up.
Going into an LSD trip without being properly equipped can definitely be a traumatic experience for some people. Which is really the only point I was ever trying to make. It borders on malicious to promote the idea that LSD is entirely harmless and can never, in any case, under any circumstances, lead to negative outcomes in an individual.
I'm skeptical that you've actually used LSD and are still promoting such an idea. Thats a startling lack of awarness or empathy. Just because you had only positive experiences, that doesn't mean every single human being will always have positive experiences with LSD. I'm sure you can go to erowid to find more cases of nightmare trips that were deeply disturbing subjectively.
And as for anecdotal evidence: the one study you linked has n = 16 participants. That isnt such a huge sample size, to be fair .
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 11:52:00 UTC No. 16118461
>>16117883
>I think we both know that you've been desperately googling for some shred of evidence to support your claims
No, I didn't ever bother. I've been sincere this entire time, but you seem to accuse me of lying which is really bad faith. You could accuse me of being somehow delusional, or unaware, but I don't have any reason to go on the internet and lie to a bunch of anonymous strangers.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 11:59:50 UTC No. 16118467
>>16115636
The millions of neurons OP lost through his fetish will come back as much as the dick of a tranny will because he followed jis fetish.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:29:15 UTC No. 16118492
>>16118456
>you're being slightly disingenuous. I established that a psychedelic substance *can* cause psychosis like symptoms, which is relevant.
We're discussing a specific claim about a specific substance and in that context, there's nothing more relevant than accuracy regarding what exactly we're discussing. If you said that long term cocaine use commonly causes severe tooth decay, I said it doesn't, and your response was to post a study showing that long term meth use is known to cause severe tooth decay and you claimed that it proved you right about cocaine because
>they're both stimulants!!!
then you're the one being disingenuous, not me.
>Another anon shared a study with supporting evidence
They did no such thing. If you're referring to >>16117500 then yes, I did "hand wave" it because one, it's not a study, just an analysis of other studies and two, it only places drugs into broad categories like "stimulants" and "hallucinogens". At no point did I ever claim that hallucinogens can't cause psychosis. Can PCP completely fuck people up? Yes, absolutely. What hallucinogens were studied in this article? Was it mushrooms and LSD or was it ketamine and PCP? I don't know because the study doesn't specify, which makes it completely irrelevant.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:35:38 UTC No. 16118499
>you are the only one who seems to insist what I described is "extremely common"
I understand that basic statistics are probably beyond your grasp but if one person can name three people he personally knows who have suffered a specific effect then you are either an extreme outlier or that is by definition a common effect.
>It borders on malicious to promote the idea that LSD is entirely harmless
And here we have a textbook example of what you referred to as "being disingenuous". At no point did I ever claim that LSD
>can never, in any case, under any circumstances, lead to negative outcomes in an individual
and your suggestion that I did is pure dishonesty. All I ever claimed is that LSD is
>>16116486
>One of the most benign and harmless drugs you could possibly take.
which, frankly, has been proven beyond any doubt by your simple inability to provide even a single documented case of any harm being caused by LSD. If it's so clearly dangerous, so commonly prone to cause psychosis, then why have you been in this thread for literal days and haven't been able to provide even one example of this harm aside from your own anecdotal claims?
If I claimed that meth causes tooth decay then I would have a very easy time providing proof. If LSD can so easily cause permanent psychosis, as you have repeatedly claimed, then where is the evidence? You claims about "people you know" are not evidence.
>the one study you linked has n = 16 participants
I only linked one because I know how slimy little liars like you operate and no matter how many studies I provide, you'll either ignore them or come up with an excuse to dismiss them. Here, let me demonstrate:
>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/1
>A recent large population study of 130,000 adults in the United States failed to find evidence for a link between psychedelic use (lysergic acid diethylamide, psilocybin or mescaline) and mental health problems.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:43:46 UTC No. 16118503
>>16117490
>Scientific studies with controlled dosing of properly manufactured drugs are the same as general public taking drugs laced with amphetamines
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:51:20 UTC No. 16118510
>>16118503
If the supposed psychosis caused by "street" LSD is actually being caused by adulterants and not the LSD itself then that sounds like it proves my point. But of course, even use outside of a medical setting has demonstrated no link to any sort of mental health problem:
>>16118499
>>A recent large population study of 130,000 adults in the United States failed to find evidence for a link between psychedelic use (lysergic acid diethylamide, psilocybin or mescaline) and mental health problems.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:52:42 UTC No. 16118511
>>16118510
>Taking this totally safe substance manufactured by gangs and cartels, with no quality control is safe because LSD is safe ya dig?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:54:23 UTC No. 16118512
>>16118499
>your simple inability to provide even a single documented case of any harm being caused by LSD
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/825
you are retarded dude, there are plenty of case studies about "harm" (not the original claim we were discussing btw) caused by LSD. the issue is that they disqualify these in larger studies (im telling you this for the second time now). they also disqualify these from studies on early psychoses too
your whole view on this is like a 19 year old that desperately wants to try LSD. 0 nuance and fully retarded. this is exactly how reddit views psychedelics too. they've never tried it, and then find out it's useful in some clinical settings for some treatment resistant disorders. the issue is they don't know how to read so they take this to mean it is a completely harmless drug
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:55:31 UTC No. 16118514
>>16118499
>>16118512
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/729
another one for you
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:01:55 UTC No. 16118527
>>16118499
Maybe read your own sources man. Under limitations
>Longitudinal data were not available on mental health or other factors before psychedelic use. We cannot exclude the possibility that use of psychedelics might have a negative effect on mental health for some individuals or groups, which might be counterbalanced at a population level by a positive effect on mental health for others. People who choose to use psychedelics might have better initial mental health before using psychedelics, and people who experience problems apparently related to psychedelics may choose to not use them again. We did not adjust for multiple comparisons, so some of the associations with weak sta-
tistical significance are likely due to chance. Screening questions, rather than diagnostic interviews, were used as symptom indicators.
I had to read that last sentence twice just to confirm what I thought I read in the methodology:
>We examined 11 self-reported indicators of past year mental
health problems
Lmao
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:03:34 UTC No. 16118528
>>16118499 #
Maybe read your own sources man. Under limitations
>Longitudinal data were not available on mental health or other factors before psychedelic use. We cannot exclude the possibility that use of psychedelics might have a negative effect on mental health for some individuals or groups, which might be counterbalanced at a population level by a positive effect on mental health for others. People who choose to use psychedelics might have better initial mental health before using psychedelics, and people who experience problems apparently related to psychedelics may choose to not use them again. We did not adjust for multiple comparisons, so some of the associations with weak statistical significance are likely due to chance. Screening questions, rather than diagnostic interviews, were used as symptom indicators.
I had to read that last sentence twice just to confirm what I thought I read in the methodology:
>We examined 11 self-reported indicators of past year mental
health problems
Lmao
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:08:27 UTC No. 16118535
>>16118512
>he desperately googled a bunch of studies that sounded good but he didn't actually read
Oh, dear. Well, at least you tried. Let's have a look, shall we?
Your first study is a small study of people with pre-existing conditions who are self-reporting their experiences with, against, vaguely "psychedelics". This study specifies that every problem reported by the participants was something that they had already experienced previously:
>https://www.nature.com/articles/s4
>No one reported entirely new psychiatric disorders emerge after the experience that were essentially non-existent before
The authors claim that their study is
>the only one to have selectively invited individuals who believed they had suffered long-term negative psychological responses to take part in a two-phase study culminating in a semi-structured interview.
So despite selecting specifically for people who believe that they have suffered long-term mental health problems as a result of psychedelic use, the study found that not a single one of them had a problem that was actually caused by the psychedelics themselves - every single person in this study, by their own admission, had experienced these problems prior to any drug use.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/82
And here we have a study that actually supports my position and proves my point. I take it you didn't actually read this one either? Here, let me provide you with some excerpts:
>Geert-Jorgenson et al. concluded following 3 years' use of LSD in 129 patients that "complications have been so few it seems absurd to tabulate them,"
>A similarly benign note was sounded by Levine & Ludwig in the same year who wrote that "It would seem that the incidence statistics
better support a statement that the drug is exceptionally safe rather than dangerous.
I'll call your attention to that last bit again: LSD is, quote, "exceptionally safe".
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:14:40 UTC No. 16118542
>>16118528
Thank you for proving my point:
>no matter how many studies I provide, you'll either ignore them or come up with an excuse to dismiss them
If you'd actually read the article rather than skimming it trying to find some point to nitpick, you might have come across something like this:
>Fears that psychedelics can lead to psychosis date to the 1960s, with widespread reports of “acid casualties” in the mainstream news. But Krebs says that because psychotic disorders are relatively prevalent, affecting about one in 50 people, correlations can often be mistaken for causations. “Psychedelics are psychologically intense, and many people will blame anything that happens for the rest of their lives on a psychedelic experience.”
>Maybe read your own sources man.
Oh, we're doing this now? Ok. The primary sources in the article I linked are
>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/1
>Classic psychedelic use is associated with reduced psychological distress and suicidality in the United States adult population
and
>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/1
>Psychedelics not linked to mental health problems or suicidal behavior: A population study
These are both surveys of well over 100,000 people. Where are the examples of this type of permanent psychosis?
>>16116998
>people where were doing fine on Tuesday, tried acid on Wednesday, and by Friday morning were wandering around the streets muttering to themselves and still are homeless and lost several years later.
>>16118514
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/72
>a literal individual case study
We're really scraping the bottom of the barrel here, aren't we?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:15:58 UTC No. 16118544
>>16118535
i dont have access to the full study, only the abstract. did you notice the authors of the paper i linked are not Geert-Jorgenson nor Levine & Ludwig? how about you upload the pdf?
>Evidence supports the association of LSD use with panic reactions, prolonged schizoaffective psychoses and post-hallucinogen perceptual disorder, the latter being present continually for as long as 5 years.
i dont know what you are babbling about but this is pretty clear cut. you are just looking at any and all references the paper makes within?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:17:21 UTC No. 16118548
>>16118542
>>a literal individual case study
>We're really scraping the bottom of the barrel here, aren't we?
yeah... that's what you asked for. are you just trolling me by pretending to be retarded?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:20:52 UTC No. 16118555
>>16118542
>If you'd actually read the article rather than skimming it trying to find some point to nitpick, you might have come across something like this
Except that excerpt doesn't appear anywhere in the paper you linked. Need a PDF? By the way, I was trying to be nice by limiting my rebut to the methodological flaws and the study's own limitations per the authors' own admission. But I can't resist
>>The authors declared the following potential conflicts of interest with respect to the research, authorship, and/or publication of this article:
TSK is board leader and PØJ is a board member of EmmaSofia, a non-
profit organization based in Oslo, Norway, working to increase access to quality-controlled MDMA and psychedelics. PØJ is also a board member of the Association for a Humane Drug Policy, Oslo, Norway.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:22:13 UTC No. 16118557
>>16115503
You're looking for nootropics, stuff like noopept, piracetam, brain nutrition.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:24:59 UTC No. 16118560
>>16118548
Anon, he's clearly not pretending. Highest fried his brain with drugs. I believe he used to be intelligent, and after abusing drugs he's got some semblance of intellect remaining (like arguing tactics, citing papers, quoting them, etc) but it's all superficial at the chatgpt level. In other words, he seems to have lost his ability to critically think.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:34:19 UTC No. 16118569
>>16118544
>i dont have access to the full study, only the abstract.
How utterly embarrassing for you to openly admit that you just googled something that had an abstract that sounded like it supported your position. If you don't have access to these articles then frankly, you don't have the ability to understand them. You're literally just looking at the cover of a book and presenting it as evidence without having any idea of what is contained within.
>Evidence supports the association of LSD use with panic reactions, prolonged schizoaffective psychoses and post-hallucinogen perceptual disorder, the latter being present continually for as long as 5 years.
Even if this were true (your own article contains multiple examples of studies showing the exact opposite) then it still wouldn't be relevant to the discussion of whether or not LSD can cause permanent psychosis.
>did you notice the authors of the paper i linked are not Geert-Jorgenson nor Levine & Ludwig?
I did indeed notice this. Did you notice that this is because your paper is just a meta-analysis and not an actual study? And despite cherry picking studies that supported their hypothesis, the authors were still forced to admit that
>Case controlled experimental studies have likewise yielded mixed results attesting to an association between LSD use and psychosis.
in which case I'll refer you back to
>>16118542
>“Psychedelics are psychologically intense, and many people will blame anything that happens for the rest of their lives on a psychedelic experience.”
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:43:09 UTC No. 16118577
>>16118548
I provide multiple studies sampling well over 100,000 people showing no evidence of LSD causing permanent psychosis and you counter with a single study of literally one(1) person and pretend that this is a compelling counter-argument? Really?
>>16118555
>the people studying drug use are people who have an interest in drug use? noooooooooo this isn't fair!!!!
Son, I'm not playing these games with you. If you want to do the typical 4chan nitpicking then knock yourself out. I have provided overwhelming evidence in support of my argument - multiple studies of hundreds of thousand of people - and rather than at least make some attempt to criticize the methodology or conclusions of the studies, all you can manage is the most midwit of all logical fallacies, the personal attack on the authors.
I noticed that you decided to completely ignore the other study. I wonder why that is - couldn't find any excuse to dismiss it based on who wrote it, so better to pretend it doesn't exist?
>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/1
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:46:36 UTC No. 16118579
>>16118569
the abstract that very explicitly demonstrates harmful outcomes?
ok for real you have wasted enough of my time now
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:49:03 UTC No. 16118582
>>16118560
>In other words, he seems to have lost his ability to critically think.
My consistent position has been that LSD is an extremely safe drug and that it cannot and will not ever cause permanent psychosis, which is the claim that began this debate. If you're so smart and my brain is so fried, then this should be very easy for you, yes?
Here are two extremely simple and straightforward questions. Either you can respond to them simply and honestly or you can admit that you're wrong.
>Does LSD have the potential to cause permanent psychosis, yes or no?
>If yes, do you have any evidence in support of this specific claim?
>>16118579
An abstract in a meta-study cannot "demonstrate" anything. I'll refer you to my questions above. If I'm so obviously wrong and you're so obviously right then this should be easy for you, yes? Here's your chance to be open and honest and prove me wrong. Can you do it?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:55:00 UTC No. 16118589
>>16118582
>Does LSD have the potential to cause permanent psychosis, yes or no?
Yes.
>If yes, do you have any evidence in support of this specific claim?
Yes. A case study was provided.
>it cannot and will not ever cause permanent psychosis, which is the claim that began this debate.
So why dismiss a case study showing it's happened at least once, which is more than never? Concede the argument.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:06:40 UTC No. 16118605
>>16118589
>Yes. A case study was provided.
Are you referring to >>16118514?
Allow me to quote:
>His manic symptoms resolved over 3 weeks with appropriate lithium carbonate therapy.
Is this an example of a permanent effect?
>So why dismiss a case study showing it's happened at least once
There's a reason why individual case studies are generally worthless. You have absolutely no basis for scientific reasoning. At the barest minimum, you have no control. Additionally, you don't even know what this guy actually took.
Let me guess, you didn't read the study?
>He bought a $5 slip of blotter paper that allegedly contained LSD and ingested it at about 7:00 p.m. on a Saturday.
>allegedly contained LSD
Your "proof" is a case study of a single person who bought street drugs, had no way of knowing what they actually were except for what the dealer claimed, took them, and had a response that is abnormal for the supposed drug he was taking? An intelligent person would conclude that he probably didn't get a blotter of pure LSD. We have no way of knowing because it was literally just one guy. Do you really consider this to be compelling evidence?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:11:49 UTC No. 16118612
>>16118589
>/sci/ unironically doesn't understand why case studies aren't compelling evidence
I knew things had declined here but I didn't realize it was this bad.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:33:24 UTC No. 16118641
>>16118612
It is literally evidence that the phenomenon is possible. It's a question of frequency, not whether or not it exists. This is literally basic logic, unless you have some compelling argument for why that case study was somehow a unique event that could never occur again.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:37:54 UTC No. 16118647
>Jump ahead 11 years. I'm 20, and I found acid about six months earlier. I'm in Amsterdam, having left South Africa to avoid military service. I'm a musician and making a living playing street music. We're on acid all the time, taking larger and larger doses each time. It's classic. I'm the messiah and I'm going to save the world by turning everyone onto LSD. I'm Ken Kesey, I'm Ram Dass, I'm Neal Cassidy driving the bus to the next Acid Test. I'm on a mission. I have found the ultimate truth, and I believe that I have the ability to express it. It's straight out of the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. I am The Merry Prankster - doing ever increasing doses of LSD because I believe that there is a reality behind this one, and I am going to evolve and become a transformed being - a metamorphosized, evolutionised, mental telepathical Guru. I even have a following. There are 5 of us - and I am the leader. I'm the fucking chosen one. This is why I am alive - this is why I exist - I am the new Messiah!@!
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:42:36 UTC No. 16118653
>There was a huge flash - and reality had shattered - literally. It was as though everything I had been seeing was made of glass - like a mirror, and the hashish exploded the acid so hard and fast, that I suffered a psychotic break
>OK - you get the picture. I treated LSD as though it was something that I actually had control over - that I was bigger than Acid - that I was beyond a bad trip. I will end this part of the tale of this day here, but know that it took the rest of the day to reconstruct my *basic* ego - just knowing who and where I was. I still felt broken glass in my throat from where it had shattered when the 'mirror' shattered. I could no longer sing. When I tried I was overwhelmed by an abject terror, and shut down. It was weeks before I could sing again (which I needed to do to survive) - and I continued to have terrifying Flashbacks for the next 6 months.
Not everyone fully returns to normal afterwards from such a traumatic experience.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 16:04:48 UTC No. 16118776
>>16117055
Do you know if it will impact your intelligence going forward?
Idk about your course but in my engineering degree, the last 6 month were the hardest by far. Weird fucking math, weird academic shit, 0 purpose in the industry.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 17:02:18 UTC No. 16118910
>>16116151
i dont believe you, you say that to be le funny. Now say what really happened
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 18:56:21 UTC No. 16119361
>>16118641
>It is literally evidence that the phenomenon is possible.
Is it? How do you know that the drug this man took was even LSD? Because the person who sold it to him on the street claimed that it was?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 19:03:59 UTC No. 16119404
>>16118647
>>16118653
>anecdotes from a very heavy, chronic drug abuser whose worst side effect from mixing "ever increasing doses of LSD" with other drugs was
>Flashbacks for the next 6 months.
Does LSD have the potential to cause permanent psychosis, yes or no?
If yes, do you have any evidence in support of this specific claim?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 20:01:53 UTC No. 16119641
>>16119404
goal posts move every time you make a new post. the original ask was have "any harmful outcomes"
fag
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 23:06:45 UTC No. 16120012
>>16119641
>the original ask was have "any harmful outcomes"
What's the point of lying about this when we can all read the thread and see where the debate started?
My original post was a claim that LSD is
>>16116486
>One of the most benign and harmless drugs you could possibly take.
A claim that, frankly, has only been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt by the inability of anyone in this thread to point to negative side effects past
>oh well these people who already had serious mental disorders had those disorders flare up when they took LSD
If your position is that psychedelics can sometimes have "harmful outcomes" then yes, this is true and at no point have I ever tried to deny it. There is no drug that is completely free from any kind of negative side effect. Aspirin has a wide range of potential side effects.
In any case, the other post that began this debate was the initial response to my claim linked above:
>>16116998
>I personally know of a small handful of cases of people where were doing fine on Tuesday, tried acid on Wednesday, and by Friday morning were wandering around the streets muttering to themselves and still are homeless and lost several years later.
That was where we started and I'm still waiting to see any one of you midwit drones provide any evidence of it. But I think it's clear beyond any doubt at this point that there's no proof, we all know there's no proof, and you've long since given up on attempting to provide any, instead trying to focus on limp dick copes like
>uhhhh well ok maybe LSD has never been shown to cause any kind of permanent harm but some people get really scared after they have a bad trip so it's probably still really bad, i think???
>goal posts
Neither I nor any other person with an IQ above room temperature have ever considered anonymous personal anecdotes as evidence of anything and my refusal to consider them as such now is perfectly consistent with my refusal to accept them as such earlier in the thread.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 00:34:42 UTC No. 16120111
>>16115503
enjoy re learning everything now
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 05:13:04 UTC No. 16120399
>>16120012
>>16120012
I had a bad reaction to marijuana. Ended up in a psych ward, where i went to voluntarily because i was being extremely suicidal. It all passed but i never fully recovered.
Brain damage doesnt heal much
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 05:14:44 UTC No. 16120403
>>16120399
how many marijuanas did you inject?
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 20:34:41 UTC No. 16121378
>>16120012
You take drugs, we get it homie. Whatever you need to do to convince yourself that you haven't rotted your brain, but your posts here are borderline schizophasic and are doing nothing to help your argument. It's got that uniquely incoherent aggression you see in people like Tooker.