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Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:38:10 UTC No. 16117862
How did intelligence arise in a dumb universe? That means reality produced something smarter than itself.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:48:39 UTC No. 16117881
> reality produced something smarter than itself.
trying to assign human concepts to reality *sigh*
ngmi
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:50:13 UTC No. 16117887
>>16117881
This isn't a response.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:53:03 UTC No. 16117890
are planets smart because matter clumped together? or are they smarter than hydrogen clouds?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:56:07 UTC No. 16117893
>>16117890
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 03:01:32 UTC No. 16117903
>>16117887
Yes it is. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 03:13:37 UTC No. 16117918
>>16117893
>Intelligence is most often studied in humans but has also been observed in both non-human animals and plants despite controversy as to whether some of these forms of life exhibit intelligence.[4][5] Intelligence in computers or other machines is called artificial intelligence.
just like we'll be able to make AGI/ASI.
think two low IQ parents can't make a high IQ child?
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 03:21:53 UTC No. 16117922
>atheist philosophy
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 03:23:22 UTC No. 16117924
>>16117881
>assign concepts
We assign attributes, not concepts
You don't look at a pile of apples and "assign math" to them. We assign color or taste to them.
Inversely, we apply concepts, not attributes.
You don't look at a pile of apples and apply a color or taste. We apply math and can count them.
We can apply the concept of intelligence to reality, the same way we can apply math or science to it.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 03:27:39 UTC No. 16117927
>>16117918
>think two low IQ parents can't make a high IQ child?
False equivalency. This is an abuse of how gene transmission works.
Whatever base reality is, everything comes from it, and given that intelligence is manifest in the world it follows that it is part of the ontological structure of fundamental reality.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:02:49 UTC No. 16117959
>>16117881
>>16117903
The only answer we need here
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:27:39 UTC No. 16117985
>>16117922
>atheist philosophy
= motte-and-bailey every single time desu ne?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:53:03 UTC No. 16118042
>>16117890
theyre smarter because they can see the future
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 08:06:27 UTC No. 16118290
>>16117862
the universe isnt dumb, you are
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 08:33:06 UTC No. 16118306
>>16117862
With chaos comes order. Law of nature. Enough black holes and exploding stars and yada yada creates hyper order which is the infinitisemally small and complicated us
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 11:04:14 UTC No. 16118388
>>16117862
The truth is that it didnt
Your thoughts are no more complex or important than a rock tumbling down a mountain. Both are events that were predetermined since the Big Bang.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 11:11:36 UTC No. 16118392
>>16117862
>reality produced something smarter than itself
But you are reality, there is no separation
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 11:17:11 UTC No. 16118397
>>16118392
How am I not myself?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:06:21 UTC No. 16118533
>>16117862
That dumb universe mixed shit for bilions of years.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:15:59 UTC No. 16118617
>>16118397
define "myself"
bodhi at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:21:03 UTC No. 16118624
>>16117881
What a stupid post
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:44:55 UTC No. 16118655
>>16118397
How are you not part of reality?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:47:34 UTC No. 16118658
>>16117862
within your body it clearly hasn't
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:04:47 UTC No. 16118682
>>16118397
You are yourself, and you are also a part of reality, does this make any sense?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:13:54 UTC No. 16118698
>>16117862
The universe has yet to create anything intelligent. Fore, compared to the most intelligent entity to arise, the intellect of all other entities are inconsequential. And seeing as the universe is still so young, it is to be expected that the most intelligent entity that will ever exist, hasn't been created yet.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:17:16 UTC No. 16118705
>>16117862
Extend the concept of evolution down to the organization of matter and it will make more sense. It's primarily probability at play.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:19:14 UTC No. 16118708
>>16118397
You (subset) reality, you = you (in) reality. Reality =/= you
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:21:32 UTC No. 16118712
>>16118698
>And seeing as the universe is still so young
How would anyone know that? Have we seen the lifespan of other universes to compare ours against?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:30:17 UTC No. 16118728
>>16118712
>How would anyone know that?
There is still so much Hydrogen left to fuse. There are still so many young stars. There is so little products of fusion, relative to how much Hydrogen there is.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:31:24 UTC No. 16118731
>>16118728
And how do we know that universes don't die in some other way unrelated to fusing hydrogen?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:33:35 UTC No. 16118735
>>16118731
What are you talking about?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:41:58 UTC No. 16118744
>>16118731
in what way can the universe "die"?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 15:46:25 UTC No. 16118747
>>16118735
How can we know that unfused hydrogen is a sign of the universe being young or old if we've never observed the lifecycle of a universe to know how long they last and what influences that length?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 16:25:43 UTC No. 16118808
>>16118747
You're insinuating that entropy will reverse, and completely stable elements like Carbon and Iron will spontaneously fission back into Hydrogen?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 17:41:15 UTC No. 16119035
>>16117862
It arose as a survival mechanism. The smarter you are the easier it is to stay alive and breed.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 17:47:00 UTC No. 16119059
“Life is the universe looking at itself” is a very satisfying statement.
Intelligence IS the intelligence of existence.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 21:13:56 UTC No. 16119815
>>16119059
Because it's utterly smoothbrained. "The universe looking at itself" is a vague hippie-dippie thing to say that speaks nothing of the actual engineering problem we're faced with regarding the origin of DNA, the cell and later life forms.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 21:19:50 UTC No. 16119828
>>16119815
It sounds like you’re just unsatisfied with existence.
>the actual engineering problem we're faced with regarding the origin of DNA, the cell and later life forms.
Causality.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 21:24:14 UTC No. 16119836
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 21:25:53 UTC No. 16119841
>>16119815
>vague
No.
>speaks nothing
It solves the hard-on for consciousness problem: matter = mind.
>engineering problem
Who's engineering what now?
>"The universe looking at itself"
What is even the alternative? Is your consciousness made of other stuff than what you observe? Did you come from outside the universe? Were you born inside the universe but with a wall between your mind and outside the body? Are you a ghost animating a meat puppet? What else do you believe schizo?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 21:39:55 UTC No. 16119864
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 21:48:35 UTC No. 16119883
>>16119864
>Posting a .jpg means winning
Son I'm disappoint in your lack of vocabulary.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 23:21:14 UTC No. 16120038
>>16117862 https://imgur.com/gallery/E1BCqSx
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 23:22:21 UTC No. 16120041
>>16117862
Consciousness is in all Atoms.
The Atom is God.
Intelligence is God. Knowledge is God. Wisdom is God.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 10:54:24 UTC No. 16120688
>>16117862
Consciousness holds primacy over matter
No such thing as a "dumb universe"
Next question
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 13:11:54 UTC No. 16120807
the universe is far smarter than you'll ever be, there will only ever be a few people to outsmart it -
myself being bigger than it
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 13:17:10 UTC No. 16120817
>>16117862
Sequential information acquisition
Intelligence dies when people get easily distracted cough attention defficit disorder on the academy
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 13:29:52 UTC No. 16120825
>>16117862
I don't know, humanity is not all that smart honestly. We surround ourselves in garbage, often ruin the homes of animals and plants, and we can't even stop ourselves from being racially, slowly suffocated into extinction.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 15:20:14 UTC No. 16120925
>>16117862
The universe is pan-psychic and eventually will culminate and reform back into pure consciousness. Things only seem dumb because they are separated.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 15:25:15 UTC No. 16120930
>>16120925
We all one numbnutians
Sad end were the ai turns science into an anti human hivemind
Look a person of different skin tonality
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:26:11 UTC No. 16120981
>>16117862
>That means reality produced something smarter than itself.
why would there be a problem with that
there's no conservation law for intelligence
Sage at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 20:17:55 UTC No. 16121357
Only God knows. It would be impossible for a morty like me to understand. Or perhaps because total nothingness is impossible and life would arise anyways.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 21:40:08 UTC No. 16121477
I looked at the sun wearing eclipse glasses but had binoculars in front of them. The sun burned a pin sized hole through the glasses and I saw a white flash for a split second. How fucked am i
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 21:46:37 UTC No. 16121486
>>16117862
It got very lucky (or unlucky, if you're depressed).
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 21:53:41 UTC No. 16121499
>>16118712
‘Other universes’ is a meaningless concept, because by definition the universe includes literally all things which exist in any form.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 21:59:07 UTC No. 16121505
>>16121499
Surely, then, you must agree that means a relative age judgement like "so young" is equally meaningless.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 22:01:49 UTC No. 16121509
>>16121505
not at all in a cyclic universe
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 22:31:00 UTC No. 16121534
>>16117862
Doesn't the moon's "size" relative to the sun's differ depending on where it's viewed from
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:06:11 UTC No. 16121552
>>16121534
Not really, they're both so far away that there's no land on Earth where you'll actually see an appreciable difference in the proportions. The highest peak on Earth is some 5 miles above sea level which is roughly 0.002% of the distance between Earth and the moon, let alone from the moon to the sun. That small of a change won't do shit to your perception of the moon and sun's relative size.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:15:42 UTC No. 16121567
>>16121552
The harvest moon looks absolutely massive, explain that.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:29:15 UTC No. 16121587
>>16121567
The moon's distance from Earth varies by up to 30,000 miles in its orbit. The moon itself moving closer and further from Earth is exponentially more significant than any change in height you could experience standing on the ground anywhere on Earth. At any given distance of the moon from Earth you can't appreciably change your perspective of its size, but that distance between Earth and the moon does change appreciably.
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Apr 2024 13:40:52 UTC No. 16122333
>>16120981
there is truly a conservation law of knowledge, which is not the same as information
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Apr 2024 19:58:31 UTC No. 16122946
>>16122333
And neither of those is intelligence.