Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:34:48 UTC No. 16118001

>>16117976
Evopsych is mostly bullshit and shit traits do get 'filtered out'...when they are actual coded traits, that is. Problem is if traits exist as degenerations of other, valuable traits or are expressed as a rational response somehow you cannot meaningfully select against them.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:50:16 UTC No. 16118034

>>16118001
Cheating will always be the most effective short-term individual strategy. Why isn't it time to punish the whole family and future generations for an individual's wrongdoing?
>Mm...muh blood feuds!
Still better than being ruled by cheaters.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:53:46 UTC No. 16118045

>>16117976
Sadism has obvious benefits in competitive settings as long as it's held in check by other stuff. But what is that other stuff and how does it go awry? Conversely, maybe that other stuff is too strong sometimes, eh?

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:54:35 UTC No. 16118048

It's not evolutionary. It is mainly environmental. Usually caused by physical, sexual or mental abuse. Over authoritative & detached parenting, poverty etc. This causes physical changes to a child's brain.

It can also come from more obvious forms of brain damage like blunt force trauma to the forehead.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 04:56:04 UTC No. 16118054

>>16118034
What are you even claiming here? That sadism or other traits are both genetically and evopsychologically linked AND that they have only been expressed for a 'short term'?

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 05:01:40 UTC No. 16118065

>>16117976
people need heroes. if there's no villain to defeat, there's no heroics.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cRYLBXgwdOde/

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 05:14:35 UTC No. 16118087

>>16118054
Reconsider:
>valuable traits or are expressed as a rational response somehow you cannot meaningfully select against them.
An example would be: an environment that rewards machiavellian behaviour encourages a variety of indirect traits (like being goal-oriented rather than people-oriented) to express themselves in evil ways. Other people allow this to happen like Dawkins' game theorethical stuff: the this-for-tatters / avengers must break through the cheaters / useful idiots hegemony.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 05:17:13 UTC No. 16118091

People here does not believe in evil for evil sake or human being born evil?.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 05:18:20 UTC No. 16118092

>>16118087
>>16118034
So self-interest and selfishness>altruism?

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 05:21:48 UTC No. 16118097

>>16117976
There is no such a thing.
As a nornal person, you observe your surroundings, and when something differs from your understanding, you start thinking how you understand it wrong, and how it really is.
A schizo suffers brain damage that prevents him from processing his senses. He sees, but does not perceive. When something is different from how he understands it, he is right, it's the outside world that is wrong.
Schizos tend to persecute people and destroy things for nonsensical reasons, and call normal people psychopaths, or sadists, when they try to stop them from doing damage with punishment.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 05:40:59 UTC No. 16118128

>>16118092
>So self-interest and selfishness>altruism?
Better said: it's about optimizing self-benefit versus optimizing mutual benefit. In the short-term and in the absence of critical mass tit-for-that optimizing self-benefit wins.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 05:50:57 UTC No. 16118144

>>16118097
Found the psychopath. There is no theory (model of the world) and no action without ideology (belief how the world should be). If you claim not to be driven by ideology then you are ignorant. The world as it is rewards exploitation. That's normal. A healthy person refuses the short-term benefits of exploitation and optimizes mutual benefit you mentally ill psycho.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 05:58:04 UTC No. 16118154

>>16118144
>There is no theory (model of the world) and no action without ideology (belief how the world should be).
Schizo
>If you claim not to be driven by ideology then you are ignorant.
I'm indeed not, because I'm not schizophrenic.
>The world as it is rewards exploitation.
No it fucking doesn't. It's your mental illness speaking. If you think it is better, why did the society gravitate towards increasing ability to cooperate (until you schizos ruined the effort) and not towards ruthless exploitation?

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 06:18:55 UTC No. 16118166

>>16118154
>Schizo
No argument. Before you concede I will raise your IQ a little bit: to act is to choose, to choose is to prioritize and to prioritize is to value one thing over the other = ideology. Now grovel at my feet.
>society gravitate towards
The discussion is about:
>how it really is.
>perceive
present tense remember? Now if you buy cheap clothes then you support exploitation of others to benefit yourself don't you? That's not only possible thanks to psychopath business leaders: it's normal.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 07:35:00 UTC No. 16118255

>>16118166
That's your world, your mentaly ill system that you created, that you've been willing to start wars over, and massacre people for rejecting it. You spend ridiculous resources on enforcing and destroying people in one way or another for merely speaking against it, and portray those willing to stand up against it as inhuman monsters. You have no right to criticize people for trying to live in it.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 07:47:16 UTC No. 16118269

>>16118154
You ideology is clearly just based on denying you own schizophrenia.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:32:00 UTC No. 16118567

>>16117976
It seems the evolutionary point is to filter people. Just think why so many trannies kill themselves. They're defective mentally ill people, so nature drives them towards death.

bodhi at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:23:18 UTC No. 16118630

>>16117976
Get filtered by what? In a lawless hunter/gatherer type society those traits can be quite helpful. They are only really a hindrance in an environment that requires cooperation and even then most people still put up with it as long as the person pulls their weight in the group

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 14:56:49 UTC No. 16118670

>>16117976
Weeding out competitors. Humans are r-strategists, which means we overbreed and our lives are thus worthless.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 18:36:44 UTC No. 16119257

>>16118034
spbp

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 18:39:44 UTC No. 16119273

>>16117976
Because they are inherent traits of nature, just look at animals, no morality, not killing eachother for sport is a human construct.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 Apr 2024 19:06:08 UTC No. 16119419

>>16117976
>Psychopath makes it to royalty status
>Spreads his seed to many women
Simple as

Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 04:52:45 UTC No. 16120383

>>16119273
Animals don't do that. All mammals are generally equivalent in the way they think, the difference is capacity. Mammals are not driven by instinct to any major degree.

Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 04:57:12 UTC No. 16120387

>>16117976
Nature is just a never-ending slaughterfest of creatures killing and eating other creatures. The evolutionary advantages of sadism ought to be obvious. The real question is how compassion evolved.

Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 05:00:05 UTC No. 16120390

>>16120383
Instinct is just learned patterns, all thinking is instinct

Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 05:02:03 UTC No. 16120392

>>16120387
This.

Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 05:10:21 UTC No. 16120398

>>16120390
There is no instinct in mammals. Rats will not even have sex without the neocortex, unless you physically make them, the only innate part appears to be the motions. Then they do it afterwards once they learn that they like it.

Anonymous at Tue, 9 Apr 2024 06:45:21 UTC No. 16120469

>>16120387
>>16120392
It's your mental illness speaking.