Anonymous at Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:23:35 UTC No. 16125350

>>16125349
It's proof that this pig likes to blow bubbles. Nothing more.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:26:33 UTC No. 16125352

do they collapse the waves tho

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:28:40 UTC No. 16125355

>>16125350
then why does he stop when he notices the human filming? dare I say he has a sense of social self awareness

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:12:33 UTC No. 16125920

>>16125349
>>16125355
because you are projecting your human emotions onto a pig and thinking it is having the exact same reactions and emotions that a human would in this situation.

I imaging you think Dolphins are smiling all the time too

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:34:43 UTC No. 16125950

>>16125349
No but dolphins are smiling all of the time

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:38:33 UTC No. 16125960

>>16125349
an insect is also an animal and would thus also have free will and a soul

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:47:47 UTC No. 16125969

>>16125355
He's alarmed you moron.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:48:50 UTC No. 16125971

>>16125349
Animals have free will, insects have free will, but the degree to which they process the world varies. For example a fly just thinks do flying motion, aquire food. They don't feel emotion.
Pigs are complex, intelligent, feeling, they have emotions thoughts, they can understand fun happiness and sadness.

🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 12 Apr 2024 22:51:39 UTC No. 16126446

>>16125920
Found the dumb reddit nigger, ofc the pig has consciousness, you void ape.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Apr 2024 22:57:04 UTC No. 16126453

>>16125349
>He forgot to include pet rocks as sentient sapient free souls
This discrimination MUST end you are NOT allowed to consider humans special just so you can continue to abuse our rock neighbors.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 00:52:19 UTC No. 16126547

>>16126453
This is technically true so it aligns with what op posted regardless. Even the water is sentient, the pig is being rather rude.

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 01:17:55 UTC No. 16126566

>>16125349
>Is this short edited clip of a pig's behaviour coincidentally mimicking human behaviour proof pigs think like humans?
look here's a meerkat standing on 2 feet that must mean it walks like that all the time

your interpretation of the video is wrong. it demonstrates we mammals all have similar conscious experiences. also free will and souls don't exist but that's a /lit/ and /sci/ topic

>>16126446
you talk like an idiot. ofc the pig is sentient but that doesn't mean it's thinking exactly like a human

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 02:59:19 UTC No. 16126673

>>16125349
95% of people legitimately think that animals are categorically inferior to humans in every category. You show them a video of an animal doing something eerily human, and they go “woah that’s funny haha” and they continue to believe that only humans have souls and free will. People are retards and if they actually questioned their beliefs then they would see how retarded they are. But they have to believe in God and souls and heaven or human superiority or they will feel worthless

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 03:30:06 UTC No. 16126719

>>16125349
no, idiot. to prove free will, you would have to prove that they could have done otherwise. which is impossible.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 04:04:21 UTC No. 16126755

>>16126719
>You could not have done otherwise than to be wrong and shitpost

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 04:06:39 UTC No. 16126759

It's eyes move abstractly signifying he is a to be food NPC which is good because no suffering.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 04:09:40 UTC No. 16126763

>>16126759
The concept of suffering as distinct from pain would mean almost every species doesn't suffer. That includes shit like most family pets that are named NPCs with sentimental value. Nobody wants to believe that.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 05:32:28 UTC No. 16126855

Souls dont exist.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 05:37:08 UTC No. 16126859

>>16125349
Yes, all animals are sentient and have souls as much as humans do. Only the dumbest fucking sociopathic retards would disagree with this.

If you don't think animal souls are just the same as human souls, you should drink everything you find under your sink ASAP.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:23:29 UTC No. 16126875

>>16126859
It scares me when NPCs claim they have souls. Because if you're real the bronze ethos demands your attention. If you ignore this you will come with Jesus.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 07:00:20 UTC No. 16126888

>>16125349
>>16125349
The basis of humor appears to be that something seems logical, but is known to be false. It means there is an optimal range for humor - you must be able to have expectations, and recognize that they are false, but you stop being able to experience humor that is too simple to make you confused. (you may notice stupid people laughing at random nonsense) You won't laugh at something "funny" that doesn't defy your expectations.
The peak humor might be birds.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 07:11:57 UTC No. 16126894

>>16126888
Humor is not something that emerges automatically from other mental abilities but rather an arbitrary emotion evolved by humans to be able to form social bonds quicker with more people. Chimpanzees bond by picking lice from eachother, humor is a better version of this

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 07:31:39 UTC No. 16126908

>>16126894
No.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 07:47:37 UTC No. 16126919

>>16126908
I am right

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 08:13:32 UTC No. 16126940

>>16126894
me fucking your mom is an even better version for bonding

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 10:35:34 UTC No. 16127024

>>16126919

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 10:39:15 UTC No. 16127026

>>16125349
>pig acts flirty, therefore it must have soul
Bullshit. Women on tiktok acting flirty all the time and clearly have no soul.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 10:44:26 UTC No. 16127031

>>16125349
even if they had, what are the chances that would be recognized, with them being primary source of food for humans? lmao. need overrides truth

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 11:49:20 UTC No. 16127085

>>16125349
>is this not proof that animals have free will and souls?
no and probably no (depending on what you mean)
we can be fairly certain higher animals are conscious i.e. there's "something" looking through their eyes

>>16125352
you have to interact with something to observe it, it has nothing to do with e.g. consciousness

>>16126446
correct

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 13:38:47 UTC No. 16127192

>>16125349
>Could an insect have a sense of humor?
Probably not but who knows?

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 13:41:22 UTC No. 16127196

>>16125349
>Is this not proof that animals have free will and souls?
how many boards are christfags going to ruin? /his/, /pol/, and now /sci/
mods are probably xfags at this point
oh well

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 13:42:20 UTC No. 16127198

>>16126894
Nice just so post hoc explanation
Evo pysche is a meme. You are a meme.

Garrote at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 14:26:05 UTC No. 16127236

>animals have soul
>animals have anima
>yes

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 14:41:09 UTC No. 16127252

>>16127085
>we can be fairly certain higher animals are conscious i.e. there's "something" looking through their eyes
making choices and trying to predict outcomes. simple life has some predetermined actions based on input. more complex life can ponder more info, and take more varied action? instead of say go towards/away from light

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 14:44:40 UTC No. 16127254

>>16127024
>>16126919
>>16126894
BTFO HAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Apr 2024 21:06:13 UTC No. 16127795

>>16126673
I don't believe in souls or afterlifes and I am sure I am cognitively superior in every meaningful way to other animals, but inferior physically in that they can have better vision, reflexes, be stronger, etc

And don't show me that Japanese monkey hitting the numbers in order from memory, first of all the footage is sped up and second of all I could beat his time with the amount of practice he had especially with free food on the line, GET BACK TO CRAWLING ON THE GROUND INHUMAN FUCKING SHITS WE RUN THIS ANIMAL KINGDOM GET OFF THE COMPUTER MONKEY YOU CAN'T TRICK ME I KNOW IT'S YOU TYPING GO EAT A FUCKING GRUB THIS IS A HUMAN ONLY BOARD

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 03:11:33 UTC No. 16128181

>>16125355
>Do random shit
>Stop to observe potential threat
By your reasoning literal deer stopped in the road to stare at incoming traffic are somehow conscious

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 03:15:17 UTC No. 16128183

>>16126673
I'm a staunch capital-A Atheist, and I know humans are unique in the animal kingdom. Maybe a chimpanzee is about equal to your intellect, but that's an insult to your cognition and not a promotion of a literal chimps cognition.

Language and consciousness are entwined. If you lose one, you lose the other. Yes this implies infants lack consciousness. To wit they literally try to fucking kill themselves all day based purely on curiosity which is how their brain develops and learns. At best, a chimpanzee is about equal to a literal infant human.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 04:12:54 UTC No. 16128214

>>16128183
my man there are dogs that can communicate via word-boards. You should educate yourself on animal intelligence. Literally just google “smart animals.” It’s everywhere nowadays, just go on YouTube.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:19:53 UTC No. 16128529

>>16128214
>there are dogs that can communicate via word-boards.
Imagine being retarded enough to believe this. Those aren't controlled experiments. It's from stupid pet owners who interpret signals from noise. What you don't see on those tiktoks are the thousands of random incoherent shit the dogs press.

Neither koko nor nim chimpsky are viewed favorably by linguists, since such experiments were marred by experimental bias. It's also well-accepted that apes are far more intelligent than dogs. So while controlled studies with a gorilla and a chimp show they don't understand human language, you somehow believe dogs can communicate with human language in uncontrolled studies?

Well, you sir appear to be stupider than all the above. You don't deserve the gift of language.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:29:06 UTC No. 16128538

>>16125349
It's unintentional humor yes insects could be

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:35:51 UTC No. 16128547

>>16125349
>animals have free will
This was never a question, ofcourse they do. Mammals have very similar brains to us.
> souls
That is a question for theology not science
>Could an insect have a sense of humor?
Depends on the size and composition of their brain.
>I think not
No one cares what you think

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:43:11 UTC No. 16128556

>>16125349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEZwxfQcBBo

fucker seems to enjoy it, knows how/when to turn even.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:58:09 UTC No. 16128566

It's normal for people to question the intelligence of animals. Many see them as dumb, not able to comprehend emotions / feelings. Yet animals are very sensitive and have a lot of empathy. Animals have their own character and many pet owners report that many do react to human emotion and body language.
Just because they can't talk doesn't mean they are not aware of their surroundings, how somebody / something feels and react to that.
People need to get off their high horse and just accept that most animals do have feelings. How do they differ to ours? A lot is hard coded into our brains like fear. Which is nothing more than a survival instinct that animals possess as well.
Even selfishness is a trait that many people possess and is prominent in almost all mammals.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 12:19:07 UTC No. 16128578

>>16128183
> If you lose one, you lose the other. Yes this implies infants lack consciousness.
This is the most retarded thing I’ve ever read on this site. How the fuck does using language magically instantiate qualia?

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 13:25:47 UTC No. 16128622

>>16128529
NTA but you're mixing up language and communication. Only humans have language, but all animals can communicate. A dog whimpering by its food bowl isn't using language, but it is absolutely communicating information about its internal mental state.

🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 13:35:22 UTC No. 16128635

>>16128183
>Language and consciousness are entwined.
That's bullshit. "Thinking in language" is a stochastic parrot that you develop in response to not being able to think normally. People who "think in language" have at best remnants of consciousness.

🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 13:37:10 UTC No. 16128637

>>16128635
>>>16128183 #
>>Language and consciousness are entwined.
>That's bullshit. "Thinking in language" is a stochastic parrot that you develop in response to not being able to think normally. People who "think in language" have at best remnants of consciousness.
(as they claim themselves when they temporarily wake up on drugs; many repeatedly seek such experiences by intentionqlly ingesting poisons)

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 13:38:11 UTC No. 16128639

>>16128183
>Language and consciousness are entwined.
That's bullshit. "Thinking in language" is a stochastic parrot that you develop in response to not being able to think normally. People who "think in language" have at best remnants of consciousness. (as they claim themselves when they temporarily wake up on drugs; many repeatedly seek such experiences by intentionally ingesting poisons)

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 14:07:01 UTC No. 16128673

>>16128622
It doesn't have an internal mental state. It's whimpering due to pavlovian triggers. If it whines it gets food, there is no cognition at play. Just like when a plant tilts toward sunlight it gets more energy.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 14:18:01 UTC No. 16128683

>>16128673
Pavlov was a schizophrenic who tortured dogs and should never have been taken seriously. Those experimens would perhaps be appropriate for worms, it's doubtful if they'd make sense for insects. Dogs are completely obviously more intelligent than that, so it makes no sense. Many, probably most understand spoken commands, how could they not learn that a ring means they are going to get fed?

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 14:18:42 UTC No. 16128686

>>16128673
>It doesn't have an internal mental state
Everything with neurons has an internal mental state, albeit less complex than ours.
Dogs feel hunger, thirst, frustration, fear, joy, satiety, just as surely as you do. Do you seriously believe that all of the mental states humans experience spontaneously arose 1 million years ago?

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 16:15:19 UTC No. 16128843

>>16128686
Instincts aren't mental states.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 16:25:54 UTC No. 16128856

>>16128843
What are they then? Define "instinct". Where do they manifest?
Does a dog sit beside its food bowl by instinct? Or because it has learned that the bowl is it receives its food?

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 16:31:05 UTC No. 16128861

>>16128856
the qualia of touching grass

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:41:53 UTC No. 16128964

>>16128856
Instinct is behaviors. Mental states, cognition, etc are unique to humans in that we are self aware of our own instincts and can sometimes override them. If you honestly can't understand the difference between instincts (impulses) and mental states then you're unironically a dimwit with a double digit IQ. Dogs will literally rape other dogs in plain sight, hump your leg just because it's horny, bark at and chase other dogs despite being well trained. Anyone who's ever owned different breeds of dogs understands the difference between the species' temperaments that cannot be trained away.
>Hurr durr no definition ergo it wrong
There isn't a concrete definition of love either yet you would have to experience it yourself to know it exists, virgin.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 18:36:21 UTC No. 16129016

ITT a retarded AI fag tries to argue that language is necessary and sufficient for consciousness in order to argue that GPT is conscious, and in order to do this he had to argue that dogs and pigs and other mammals aren't conscious despite the immediate absurdity that you can look at mammals and see they're conscious and thus trivially disprove his position.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 18:53:29 UTC No. 16129033

>>16129016
You're talking about me. No, chatgpt doesn't use language. It's little different from a literal parrot that mimics sound. Chatgpt doesn't have cognition, a mental state, or any IQ. There is no singularity and aifags all need the rope. You're going to need a better rebut than that strawman.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 18:58:42 UTC No. 16129043

>>16128964
Everything you say is invalidated by your ludicrous assertion that creatures like dogs and pigs have no awareness or inner mental state.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YUKH6w6S3fA
What do you think is happening in these videos? How do you account for this behaviour if dogs have no cognition or inner mental state?

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 19:19:29 UTC No. 16129066

>>16129016
>You can look at animals and know they're conscious
Don't forget my pet rock you petrcide apologist

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 19:45:03 UTC No. 16129094

>>16129033
I apologize for mischaracterizing your position but you gotta admit your position seems like something a gpt shill would argue.
>>16129066
Do rocks have CNS and neocortex that develop from the same protein coding genes that mammals have?

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:23:19 UTC No. 16129110

>>16129094
For decades people thought plants didn't feel pain yet they responded to their environment to ensure survival. Rocks are conscious. Thomas Sagel confirms it.