Anonymous at Fri, 26 Apr 2024 17:55:55 UTC No. 16147175

>>16147099
Explain to me what this means like I'm a retard (because I am).

Anonymous at Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:02:24 UTC No. 16147179

Why do flamingos look so cool but smell so bad bros. It's not fair.

Anonymous at Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:06:25 UTC No. 16147182

Remind me why female peacocks prefer form over function again.

Anonymous at Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:14:17 UTC No. 16147194

>>16147175
It's the phylogeny of Neornithes (modern birds or crown group birds). It's from Stiller et al. (2024)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07323-1

We have Paleognathae and Neognathae at the base of Neornithes (Aves). Then Neognathae si divided in Galloanserae and Neoaves. Neoaves was a polytomy, so since 2008 people was trying to resolve this clade. We had a lot of controversial and contradictory cladograms since 2014. For example, Jarvis et al. 2014 and Prum et al. 2015. 10 years later this seems to be resolved with the exception of the hoatzin.

Anonymous at Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:15:36 UTC No. 16147196

>>16147179
I only know that hoatzin smell really bad because they eat leafs.

Anonymous at Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:18:03 UTC No. 16147199

Wich ornithological journals do you prefer anons?

For me The Big 3 are:

1. Ibis
2. Ornithology (former The Auk)
3. Ornithological Applications (former The Condor)

Anonymous at Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:20:28 UTC No. 16147203

>>16147179
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Flamingos are now at the base of Neoaves, then Columbaves and then Elementaves (this one is a novel clade) and Telluraves.

Anonymous at Fri, 26 Apr 2024 22:50:05 UTC No. 16147511

>>16147182
If the male is capable of surviving with the handicap of being a walking fast food sign with a giant tail weighing him down then he must have some pretty good genes

Anonymous at Fri, 26 Apr 2024 23:49:50 UTC No. 16147628

>>16147182
It's called the handicap principle. Same reason why frivolous spending is a status signal in humans

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:30:01 UTC No. 16148113

>>16147194
Why are penguins so far? I would expect to be fairly basal, like ostriches chickens, and such.

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:31:03 UTC No. 16148115

>>16148113
>>>16147194 #
Why are penguins so far? I would expect them to be fairly basal, like ostriches chickens, and such.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:32:04 UTC No. 16148119

>>16147194
Why are penguins so far? I would expect them to be fairly basal, like ostriches chickens, and such.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:41:30 UTC No. 16148173

>>16147182
>>16147628
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherian_runaway

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 09:02:33 UTC No. 16148191

>>16147182
Maybe they only happen to have colors that are easily visible and attractive to people?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:04:27 UTC No. 16148233

>>16148191
Can we test that hypothesis by painting male peacocks in different colors and see if there are significant differences in female interest? Let's crowdfund biologists to do this.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:13:07 UTC No. 16148243

>>16147628
I never believed this. galliformes nest on the ground and so the male is bait, meant to draw away predators from the female. whichever is the better at this and still staying alive will be more successful at propagating his genes. there is no female choice involved.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:53:42 UTC No. 16148287

>>16148233
That wouldn't test that hypothesis.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 15:59:50 UTC No. 16148605

>>16148119
There are fossil penguins from the Paleocene and are deeply nested in Neoaves. They are basal with albatrosses in Aequornithes (water birds).