Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:57:27 UTC No. 16148132

nope

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:06:48 UTC No. 16148142

>>16148132
what is consciousness?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:15:13 UTC No. 16148152

>>16148142
a phenomenon based on a particular (and complex) electric activity. no it doesn't happen in rocks or power grids or computer networks.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:26:27 UTC No. 16148160

>>16148152
how do you know?
why not?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:31:17 UTC No. 16148166

>>16148160
>how do you know?
by subtraction. you remove bits from said electric activity and functions start going away. study neurology? and AI?
>why not?
this is going to immature child territory
>what if dragons are real?
sure buddy
just because you can go there doesn't mean you should, you make an ass of yourself, it's cheap and retarded and seems desperate for some bottom of the barrel win just because you can go there.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:32:00 UTC No. 16148167

hey is this a The big bang theory reference?!

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:35:36 UTC No. 16148168

>>16148166
until you can give a better answer, sounds to me like cope

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:40:08 UTC No. 16148172

>>16148168
I will never have any bit of respect for people taking your position. it's comfy and safe and doesn't say anything. hyenas running back to some safe space. that's a bitch position unworthy of respect.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:45:34 UTC No. 16148176

>>16148128
Technically a bit, in that quantum tunneling plays a (small, but measured) role in the electron transport chain during cellular respiration, and the exchange force of oxygen in rbc. Standard simple quantum chemistry.
But I'm sure that what this bait thread actually wanted to say is that Entanglement plays a major role in consciousness. And for that, the answer is plain no.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:49:13 UTC No. 16148179

>>16148172 me
>that's a bitch position unworthy of respect.
more clearly that rocks or power grids have consciousness

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 09:04:24 UTC No. 16148193

Penrose's theory is false, and the fact that he actually knows something about quantum shit only makes it worse because it gives ammo to Deepak Chopra types.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 09:07:24 UTC No. 16148197

>>16148193
even if it were true, that still doesn't imply synthetic brains aren't possible, as we could just add the required quantum effects. my concern is less with how exactly and more with how do we make it last way longer.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 09:23:00 UTC No. 16148204

even if consciousness is "enabled" to some quantum effect, (You) are still encoded as the memories and experiences which shaped who you are. quantum effects aside. even if consciousness would be enabled to quantum effects, doesn't prove it ties you to some unique soul. may be just a required condition to enable our conscious state. it's still determined by the matter arrangement lol

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:23:20 UTC No. 16148363

>>16148128
I suspect that consciousness is an emergent ability based on factors such as scale and I believe AI will prove this to us.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:39:15 UTC No. 16148376

>>16148128
False. Consciousness is not a passive product or effect. Consciousness is an active agent. Free will manifests itself via local gauge freedom of the quantum fields.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:39:31 UTC No. 16148377

>>16148204 me
>to some quantum effect
dunno why it's "to" instead of "by", I must have meant "due to" wtf, and two times.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:47:27 UTC No. 16148384

>>16148376
Soggy wilted word salad,
Holy hell did you make that up?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:51:57 UTC No. 16148386

>>16148376
it's an effect because someone can kill your body and (You) go away, and it seems like (You) cannot manifest yourself another body. so your consciousness is an effect of matter arrangement. there's even a phrase for this: "Dead is dead". your body is not a cause of your consciousness, your consciousness is a cause of your body.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:53:01 UTC No. 16148389

>>16148386
You got filtered by the most basic sender-receiver analogy. Smash your router and you killed the entire internet, huh? Low IQ.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:55:42 UTC No. 16148395

>>16148389
oh so you are causing your body to exist but I can ruin it just like that and you go away forever? lmao weak will anon.
the sender-receiver is one of the most brain dead theories that I cam across, it so monumentally retarded that it's crossing into cringe territory. bleh

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:56:32 UTC No. 16148397

>>16148386
This is false and its propped up with educated words but the meaning of your reply lacks true intelligence.
Stop trying to sound intelligent and just say you don’t know

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:59:25 UTC No. 16148401

>>16148395
The idea of an interaction mechanism may indeed seem wild and incomprehensible to you, given that nobody wants to interact with you.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:00:33 UTC No. 16148403

sender receiver doesn't even work. it implies all of your future is already set in stone so there's no free will to speak of, it's a play you observe.
if I tweak your brain such that another (You) is manifested by your body (complete personality change due to brain injury), is that tuning to another fucking soul that it hijacks from the heavens? forcefully? what about identical twins? do they share the same soul?
holy shit this theory is fucking brain dead retarded

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:01:33 UTC No. 16148404

>>16148384
The idea was proposed by an Israeli physicist one or two years ago, and it is quite appealing. He limited his proposal to U(1) gauges and referenced the Aharanov-Bohm effect but I see no actual reason to exclude non-abelian gauges here.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:02:27 UTC No. 16148405

>>16148386
How do you go from this at the start of your sentence;
>so your consciousness is an effect of matter arrangement.
To this,
>your consciousness is a cause of your body
In the same damn paragraph!? You are literally the definition of trolling

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:02:48 UTC No. 16148406

>>16148397
I'm pretty illiterate as compared to some of the anons here, which tells me you must be quite retarded if you think my reply is using "educated words" holy shit

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:03:35 UTC No. 16148407

>>16148403
>the theory doesn't work because I violently claim it implies the opposite of what it actually says
Truly a masterpiece. You have perfected the art of making the most retarded posts.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:03:48 UTC No. 16148408

>>16148404
I doubt the scientist commit such word arrangement atrocities as you did with that terrible word salad. Jesus, I feel like my brain tasted literal shit reading your post.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:04:17 UTC No. 16148409

>>16148405
>>your consciousness is a cause of your body
I'm ESL tho, I meant it as body causes it

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:05:39 UTC No. 16148411

>>16148409
Being Spanish means being retarded?
Since fucking when?
Being Spanish isn’t why your contradictions happen, you are contradicting yourself because you’re trolling and stupid

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:06:05 UTC No. 16148412

>>16148408
I'm not surprised to hear that you know and recognize the taste of shit.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:08:00 UTC No. 16148414

>>16148411
I laugh at the stupidity of your theory anon

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:09:14 UTC No. 16148416

>>16148128
Every single thing is a product of quantum effects, retard. What a meaningless thing to say.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:10:00 UTC No. 16148418

>>16148414
Theory? Lol
Roflmao,
Make sure you buckle that chin-latch tight there SPed.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:10:42 UTC No. 16148420

>>16148409
In general there is nothing wrong with being ESL. I'm ESL myself. However, the hard problem of consciousness touches a territory beyond what can be expressed with language. If your linguistic abilities are very limited, it's better to stay away from this kind of discussion. From reading your responses in this thread it is obvious that you neither manage to make a convincing argument nor understand the arguments presented by others.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:11:01 UTC No. 16148421

>>16148412
That’s the most coherent response your word salad tossing ass has come up with.
I applaud that, shows you have SOME firing neurons going on inside that decrepit brain.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:11:26 UTC No. 16148424

>>16148418
the sender-receiver theory is so cope and fucking retarded. makes so many wild assumptions and doesn't answer basic questions. of course I laugh at it

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:13:11 UTC No. 16148427

>>16148420
well that's due to participants not being fucking honest and trying to hide behind language, for retarded gotchas that don't contribute anything to the topic. the idea is to convey information, you can do it, you can take a bit longer and develop some concept where simple words wouldn't do it justice

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:13:27 UTC No. 16148428

>>16148421
Oh ain't you happy we changed the topic to coprophagia? Finally a subject where can contribute with your experience.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:13:30 UTC No. 16148429

>>16148424
.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:15:05 UTC No. 16148431

>>16148428
Nice try there SPed,
Slow down on the attempted sharp quips.
Might cut your brainstem and bleed out internally.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:15:18 UTC No. 16148432

>>16148429
>here's a selfie of me and because I'm retarded I can only write "."

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:16:17 UTC No. 16148433

>>16148432
But you can’t write lol and calling me the retard. Classic 4chan low iq anon logic there. That’s like 99.99% pure stupidity you just replied with, rare

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:17:00 UTC No. 16148435

>>16148427
I'm always 100% honest. I'm platonically committed to the truth. Given the choice between lying or death I'd choose death. You on the other hand are extremely dishonest. You show zero effort to engage with other people's arguments. You see a word you don't fully understand and immediately jump into a kneejerk reaction throwing a fecal tantrum like an infant.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:18:23 UTC No. 16148436

>>16148128

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:21:09 UTC No. 16148438

>>16148431
Wow kek

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:21:52 UTC No. 16148439

>>16148435
cmon anon don't deny the inner shit flinging chimp in you, we all know you have it.
explain, how does your "brain-structure antenna" maintain it's coherency along your lifetime? how does it "know" which shape to take? you imply some exterior force acting upon this structure. and why am I able to ruin it for you? is that force weaker than a bullet?
I mentioned the lack of free will because all of your events need to be perfectly coordinated (fully determined) such that the correct antenna is maintained to "channel" you from the other side. the least bit of affecting this antenna would either switch to another existing soul, or fully stop manifesting you from the other side. what keeps the antenna tuned to you?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:34:00 UTC No. 16148445

i'm more interested in knowing whether i'm the only conscious entity in this [spoiler]simulation[/spoiler] or if all human's are conscious.

i wonder if someday there will be an empirical way to test if x is conscious or not

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:46:03 UTC No. 16148460

>>16148431
We can feel your relief after you successfully dodged the duty to talk about quantum physics - which you apparently know nothing about.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 14:01:47 UTC No. 16148476

>>16148439
Thanks for asking an actually relevant question. For the answer you first must understand that dualism is in fact not complete. There is a third player, namely the platonic realm of ideas. It coordinates the consistency between the mental and the physical realm. Once the sender-receiver relationship is established via the platonic realm, sender and receiver stabilize the relationship on their own.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 14:07:09 UTC No. 16148481

>>16148476
Theory of forms is just an older primitive theory though.
> The theory suggests that the physical world is not as real or true as "Forms". According to this theory, Forms—conventionally capitalized and also commonly translated as "Ideas"[4]—are the non-physical, timeless, absolute, and unchangeable essences of all things, of which objects and matter in the physical world are merely imitations.
you can't use it to validate sender-receiver

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 15:59:37 UTC No. 16148604

>>16148128
Consciousness as we understand it is a feeling that arises from the nervous system in tandem with the rest of the body. Every living thing with a nervous system, no matter how it's structured, has some form of this feeling, further influenced by the rest of the body.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 18:19:50 UTC No. 16148723

>>16148460
Wrong anon friend, I said consciousness is an emergent property of this system we call reality.
Never once said anything about Quantum, i know - its hard to keep track of users due to lack of tripcodes but you are replying to the wrong Anon

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 18:40:39 UTC No. 16148745

>>16148723
>emergent
Way to tell me your an LLM mindlessly repeating meaningless buzzwords.

>Never once said anything about Quantum
Yet you sperg out against anyone suggesting a quantum nature of consciousness.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 18:50:39 UTC No. 16148766

>>16148745
>emergent properties mean you are speaking about LLMs
Lmao, all the proof I need to know you don’t know emergence is a STEM hypothesis that predates Computers rofl you foolish little minded idiot
>ok you never said anything about Quantum but…
Rofl!!!! Cope harder, idiot

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 18:55:34 UTC No. 16148771

>>16148152
>a phenomenon based on a particular (and complex) electric activity.
All "electric activity" is electromagnetic phenomena and thus subject to quantum effects, you absolute dingaling

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 18:59:29 UTC No. 16148775

>>16148771
Electricity isn’t quantum in nature though Anon, and if you say it is - PLEASE produce your evidence

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:10:49 UTC No. 16148793

>>16148775
electrons are quanta

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:12:05 UTC No. 16148795

>>16148793
That’s not evidence,
I’m looking for scientific papers that confirms your claims. Which should be easy to produce if what you say is accurate.
I’m still waiting

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:18:52 UTC No. 16148813

AI algorithms seem to work the same way our brains work, detecting stuff, shapes, sounds, using analogous hardware to our own (neural networks). yet somehow this doesn't say absolutely anything about our consciousness. isn't that funny? if it was the other way around you'd have used it like absolute fucking proof, the way you go about supposing wild fucking shit.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:23:45 UTC No. 16148823

>>16148775
>Electricity isn’t quantum in nature though
Yes it is???
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_electrodynamics

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:26:39 UTC No. 16148826

>>16148823
so when listening to music using my audio gear I'm actually hearing quantum music resulted from quantum effects like tunneling and entangling? you'd think audiophiles would have capitalized on that way long ago

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:28:25 UTC No. 16148828

>>16148826
Quantum tunneling and entanglement are very specific outputs which you don't have to torture your two braincells with

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:38:48 UTC No. 16148845

>>16148828
So what are you saying anon? Not all electrical activity is based on quantum tunneling and quantum entanglement?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:45:46 UTC No. 16148858

>>16148845
Why are you trying to argue if you don't even know what you're talking about?? Tunneling and entanglement are specific quantum effects, not all of them and entanglement is dubious at best.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:51:41 UTC No. 16148869

>>16148858
Oh so you KNOW consciousness is somehow based on these other quantum effects and replicating the electrical activity of a brain surely doesn't result in a conscious entity. for some reason you know all of this. must be cool being you anon

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:55:31 UTC No. 16148878

>>16148869
I know consciousness can so far only be observed to be a result of matter interactions, which are all subject to quantum effects, because everything can be deconstructed into oscillations of some quantum field, there is no empirical way to say how any of this functions, because we are subject to the chaos of reality

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:57:57 UTC No. 16148884

>>16148878
ok, but how do you KNOW that is possible only with a human brain and clearly not something analogous to it? why wouldn't we be able to add those quantum effects to a synthetic brain? legit question

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:01:11 UTC No. 16148888

>>16148884
>why wouldn't we be able to add those quantum effects to a synthetic brain
Because then you'd just be creating a human brain

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:05:00 UTC No. 16148898

>>16148888
what if its made from different materials than a human brain but all the quantumy effects are still there (designed in)?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:06:01 UTC No. 16148901

>>16148898 me
that's what I meant by synthetic anyway, but want to make sure you processed it

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:13:43 UTC No. 16148914

>>16148128
Look what you have done!
A bunch of retards are throwing shit at each other! Take responsibility and kill yourself!

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:15:55 UTC No. 16148919

>>16148914
its better than i imagined, but this was only ever half bait

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:29:55 UTC No. 16148935

>>16148898
How do you make it from different materials and perform the same tasks, you don't expect a car to fly just because you slap some wings on it, consciousness doesn't appear to be the singular result of electromagnetic phenomena, rather the output of several large systems working together, not that it matters because I don't think pure materialism can explain consciousness and how it operates on a fundamental level, something which we can't answer unless we can observe and measure it from outside, which is fundamentally impossible, because there is no such thing as outside.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:33:15 UTC No. 16148938

>>16148935
>How do you make it from different materials and perform the same tasks
you can make a chair out of many materials. you can make transistors out of many materials. what matters is to replicate the effect you are looking for. superconductivity is doable with more than one material.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:37:12 UTC No. 16148946

>>16148938
>what matters is to replicate the effect you are looking for.
And the effect you are looking for appears to be present only in organic biochemical machines, which react a certain way to give a specific output manifesting as consciousness

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:38:24 UTC No. 16148949

>>16148914
Trolling humans with discussions of consciousness is easy, because like so many words in the English language the word consciousness can mean a dozen different things. They argue without even knowing what they're arguing about.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:43:00 UTC No. 16148953

>>16148946
right on cue anon

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:52:53 UTC No. 16148963

>>16148953
I don't see how this is so difficult for you to comprehend, even the ancient philosophers already solved this question - if it were like this, why would it be any other way
Similarly if consciousness could just arise from regular hydrogen clouds then why life, why go through the trouble of specific protein folding and evolution and hundreds of concrete biochemical reactions if anything could be conscious, seems very redundant and illogical

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:54:48 UTC No. 16148965

>>16148963
brother you're avoiding reality like it's fucking lava. you seem quite apt at it

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:59:36 UTC No. 16148972

>>16148965
Au contraire, mon captain, it is the extensive observation of reality, which has led to these conclusions, you're free to prove everyone wrong by making a conscious rock, good luck with that, though.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 23:43:01 UTC No. 16149196

>>16148949
this. last time i had this argument, someone did pretty much what most anons here seem to be doing, and when i asked him to define consciousness for clarification, he scoffed at me and sperged out. what can you do...

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 00:22:15 UTC No. 16149254

>>16148823
>yes it is
>post link about Quantum something
Literally impossible to have a legitimate discussion with this site.
I ask to prove to me electricity is quantum and instead of giving me reading materials based in electricity, you posted something leaning towards the belief in a quantum mechanic universe.
But I see you don’t even have belief in your own claims.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 01:14:02 UTC No. 16149324

>>16149254
>I don't like the evidence therefore it doesn't count
If you don't like learning then you should go back to facebook where you can get patted on the back by likeminded idiots in circlejerks

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 06:30:19 UTC No. 16149538

>>16148363
Brownian motion creates a conscious field. Cells "drift" together and when you keep scaling that up in biological systems you get consciousness. Brownian motion is caused by there being so little "stuff" in an area any amount of mass collapses spacetime

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:05:36 UTC No. 16149836

>>16149324
but you are clearly a dimwit who misunderstood most of the shit he read.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 15:57:56 UTC No. 16150060

>>16148128
it's proof of divinity