Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:00:27 UTC No. 16148778

>>16148768
So how do we change our minds in such a way that we can do what is said to be impossible?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:04:01 UTC No. 16148785

>>16148778
You have to convince yourself that whatever that is is true. You're just convinced of the reality you see now because you've been forced to believe it through repetition. How to actually convince yourself though is pretty hard. That's why people go into a cave alone and chant mantras for 50 years.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:21:58 UTC No. 16148819

>>16148785
It's true that we're constantly being told our lacks, flaws and limitations. It's plausible that this changes our physiology. The modern cave is our tiny single household of course.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:23:41 UTC No. 16148822

>>16148785
batshit crazy

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:27:10 UTC No. 16148827

>>16148768
I can go further than you: Pure logic is just a human construction.
For instance 3 is bigger than 2 and 2 is bigger than 1, that doesnt meant that 3 is bigger than 1. Your human social construction thinks it is and calls it logic, but it isnt an objective fact (objectivity is also subjective)

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:29:27 UTC No. 16148830

>>16148822
Idk of you're being ironic but that quote is exactly what I'm talking about. If modern science tells me ignore the evidence of my personal inner experiences and chalks them up to just being some kind of cognitive bias then aren't they just like "the party"?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:46:06 UTC No. 16148861

>>16148830
No not at all. Objectivity is necessary to establish truth.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novum_Organum

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Great_Errors

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:47:05 UTC No. 16148864

>>16148861
Blah blah whatever man take your truth and shove it up your ass

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:48:07 UTC No. 16148865

>>16148861
Thanks for the Wikipedia links btw

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:53:54 UTC No. 16148876

>>16148830
>of my personal inner experiences
that's what science tells every insane person anon. you need to use the scientific method, and use your eyes/ears on those results. you should believe what those results say, observed with your eyes and ears, not what your brain tells you without using the scientific method. that is exactly what I'm saying.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:55:48 UTC No. 16148879

>>16148876
Why are my eyes and ears better than my brain. Aren't they just connected to my brain

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:57:49 UTC No. 16148883

>>16148876
What if I eat an eight of shrooms and my eyes and eyes tell me I teleported to another world while I was just walking in a park and that world was fully as realistic or more so than the park I was in right before? How do I apply the scientific method to that? Oh right psilocybin whatever whatever

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:00:42 UTC No. 16148886

>>16148879
they convey info from the scientific inquiry not from your brain which is not reliable (hallucinates filler bullshit just like LLMs do)

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:02:54 UTC No. 16148893

>>16148886
And how can I be sure that the entirety this conversation as well as the thing I'm talking about called the scientific method isn't a hallucination?

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 17:42:40 UTC No. 16150187

>>16148768
The difference isn't subjective or objective; the difference is that empiricism converges towards the truth.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 17:47:44 UTC No. 16150189

>>16148893
are you aware of ever hallucinating before?

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:16:51 UTC No. 16150225

>>16148768
reminder:

idealism is a respectable position, but not the "i have le free will, i can do anything, i create reality!!!" garbage that too many 'idealists' promote.