🧵 ADHD
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 05:27:51 UTC No. 16151212
What are the long term consequences of tens of millions of people in the USA alone being reliant on prescription stimulants? AFAIK there haven't been any long term studies done on people who've been taking adderall or vyvanse for 20+ years. There may be some for ritalin but I believe adderall and vyvanse are the go-to drugs for ADHD these days. Adderall's been around since 1996 but you can't even do a long-term study for vyvanse yet because it's only been around since 2007.
What are the potential neurotoxic effects and adverse effects on the dopaminergic reward system over the long-term? Are we going to end up with tens of millions of people who end up reliant on this stuff for the rest of their lives because their brains are now too accustomed to outsourcing dopamine to a pill?
Has anyone had personal experience with being prescribed these drugs and then coming off them? A friend of mine told me about his experience with a pyschiatrist and it was frightfully unscientific considering the potency of these drugs. I assumed there would be neuroimaging involved but it pretty much amounted to her asking him very basic questions, things like "do you have trouble paying attention in class?" and "have you had problems with impulse control?" before sending him on his merry way with a prescription for pharmaceutical grade speed.
Has there been any progress made in the debate between environment vs genes when it comes to ADHD? It seems fairly obvious that it's not a coincidence that the rise of diagnoses has coincided with the rise of high-speed internet and smartphones, filled with websites and apps scientifically tailored to take advantage of the brain's reward circuity, so humans can be fed with more advertising and their online presence can be sold as marketing data.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 05:42:38 UTC No. 16151226
just do meth or shut the fuck up already
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 05:48:07 UTC No. 16151234
>>16151226
Sounds like you have adhd. care for some adderall?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 05:54:59 UTC No. 16151242
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 06:56:51 UTC No. 16151302
>Has anyone had personal experience with being prescribed these drugs and then coming off them?
A shitton of kids go off them every summer, so yes. It's nothing. It's not like there's withdrawal or something. The drug side effects go away and your ADHD symptoms come back. Simple as.
>Has there been any progress made in the debate between environment vs genes when it comes to ADHD?
There is a known genetic component of ADHD.
>A friend of mine told me about his experience with a psychiatrist and it was frightfully unscientific considering the potency of these drugs.
There are more rigorous tests you can get to avoid a misdiagnosis (including brain scans), but there generally isn't a need. ADHD meds cause a paradoxical reaction if you actually have ADHD (fucking duh, they're treating HYPERACTIVITY with a STIMULANT). You'll fucking know pretty quick if you're misdiagnosed. Back in my day they stuck me in a dark room for a long ass time looking at a computer screen where white squares would flash in different positions on the screen at random and you had to click a button depending on where the square appeared. I guess it measured if you were able to keep focus during the test by how many times you failed to respond or gave a false positive
>It seems fairly obvious that it's not a coincidence that the rise of diagnoses has coincided with
Greater awareness of ADHD and treatment options as well as honestly a lot of over diagnosis stemming from docs trying to push pills.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 12:41:56 UTC No. 16151678
>>16151212
Significant and long lasting.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:32:54 UTC No. 16151923
>>16151302
>ADHD meds cause a paradoxical reaction if you actually have ADHD
Can attest to that.
Methylphenidate makes me calmer, less vigilant (especially to background noises) and generally much less impulsive / less prone to anger.
I’m pretty sure stimulants have just the opposite effect on neurotypicals.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:37:56 UTC No. 16151934
>>16151212
I was prescribed it for two years, 2014-2016, ADHD diagnosis and 20mg standard daily dose. Vyvanse made me feel body lethargy for my one week on it so I went right back to Adderall. After going off it 2016 from weaning down usage I had positive effects for a few years after before feeling relatively baseline in all my habits by 2021
Being on it only two years, I feel as though my body's metabolism has never been the same since going off it. I stick forget to eat but not because I don't get hungry. My imperative to seek out food from those years has stuck to where I will procrastinate eating despite getting progressively hungrier. It's stupid
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 17:35:00 UTC No. 16151978
>>16151212
you're talking about several unrelated things in your OP you fucking idiot retard.
>What are the long term consequences of tens of millions of people in the USA alone being reliant on prescription stimulants?
>Has there been any progress made in the debate between environment vs genes when it comes to ADHD?
these are two completely unrelated questions dumbass. never ever fucking post on /sci/ again.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 18:17:56 UTC No. 16152016
>>16151302
>>16151923
>ADHD meds cause a paradoxical reaction if you actually have ADHD
This effect where a person feels calmer after taking amphetamine is actually extremely common in the general population and has been shown with a variety of stimulants. It has nothing to do with a person having ADHD, although it is obviously beneficial to someone who has ADHD
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 18:20:10 UTC No. 16152022
>>16151234
Adderall and meth are different douchebag. People with adhd rely on these medications for relief and you faggots are making it harder for people to get it. Stimulants make people with adhd tired, they mellow us out. I have taken adderal and meth. Not even close.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 18:27:14 UTC No. 16152031
>>16152016
>This effect where a person feels calmer after taking amphetamine is actually extremely common in the general population
So is ADHD.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 19:05:50 UTC No. 16152061
>>16151212
Smoke meth like real man...
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 19:09:48 UTC No. 16152066
>>16151978
>no you can't ask separate questions around the same topic
the sheer nincompoopery. sci has been taken over by low IQ schizos. sad!
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 00:37:58 UTC No. 16152478
ADHD doesn't exist. It's the medicalization of being a dumb kid that's not good at paying attention in school. The studies that got adderall and ritalin approved simply showed that meth helps everyone study, but it helps stupid kids even more. The animal models for adhd are a complete joke, as if you could induce adhd on a fucking fruit fly that doesn't even have hippocampi
>but muh dopamine reuptake
probably a component to you being a retard with poor impulse control, but correlation doesn't equal causation
>t. neurophysiologist who was on ritalin for years
>>16151302
utter bullshit. literally everyone will study better with concerta. every single person i've given a few weeks worth of pills to to study for this or that exam performed much better on it. the "it calms adhd kids but not the general population" is utter moronic bullshit. on the contrary, the tweakers are the rare ones, and even they usually get settled if they take it for long
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 00:55:29 UTC No. 16152514
>>16152478
>stimulants are calming
I think you might be an idiot. Nobody takes meth or caffeine to calm down.
And you don't take adhd meds to fucking cram. You take em to pay attention in class. They help fuckers cram cause they keep you up so you can put more hours in a day. Dipshits that abuse ADHD meds are just using them like caffeine pills. If they fucking calmed you, there'd be no point in fucking abusing them that way.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:43:08 UTC No. 16152548
>>16152478
>>t. neurophysiologist who was on ritalin for years
So have you noticed any negative side effects after being on it for years?
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:29:15 UTC No. 16153160
>>16151212
bipolar depression is also actually caused by increased DAT expression
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:28:17 UTC No. 16153496
>>16152478
>ADHD doesn't exist. It's the medicalization of being a dumb kid that's not good at paying attention in school.
Lol.
I was a (very) gifted kid. Olympiads and that sort of things, ended up as an aerospace engineer.
Got diagnosed (and started meds) as an adult. I had what was thought to be major depressive episode and anxiety since early teens - no treatment worked, went through basically every SSRI on the market. One psychiatrist figured out that it’s a result of untreated ADHD, a few weeks of therapy and starting appropriate meds fixed the issue completely.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:34:37 UTC No. 16153505
>>16151212
i have no proof but no doubts that MILLIONS have ADHD overdiagnosed just to sell meds
Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 04:31:56 UTC No. 16154225
>>16153496
Did you finish university before or after you got the drugs?
Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 04:37:21 UTC No. 16154227
>>16151212
>reliant on prescription stimulants
addicted to prescription stimulants
Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 04:49:42 UTC No. 16154235
>>16151212
I unironically support Dr. Schlomo's actions for making these retards the big pharma's puppy.
Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 15:17:15 UTC No. 16154971
>>16154225
I started treatment about midway through my BE.
Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 16:18:22 UTC No. 16155026
It could have long term effects like an increased parkinson's risk
Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 16:52:27 UTC No. 16155057
>>16151212
Any ADHD chads who can’t tolerate stimulants, ask your psych about guanfacine. It’s an off label blood pressure prescription for the impulsivity component of ADHD. I can find stuff now, put stuff back, stop procrastinating, go to bed on time. All the little tweaks that were keeping me from being a full grown adult, basically. Plus my blood pressure is great now too.
Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 18:27:36 UTC No. 16155143
>>16152478
Why does a young energetic child disliking sitting still and listening to lectures a sign of low intelligence?
Alternative early learning strategies that emphasize activity over lecture normalize the academic performance of these students without the need for medication.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the vast majority of children diagnosed with ADHD are boys, while women are becoming the majority in colleges/universities. The behavior hasn't changed so much as the preferences shifted.
Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 19:40:06 UTC No. 16155198
>>16155143
The amount of daily exercise kids get has been declining steadily and significantly over the years, and cardio is known to calm down hyperactive kids.
Anonymous at Thu, 2 May 2024 03:50:09 UTC No. 16155833
bump
Anonymous at Thu, 2 May 2024 20:31:23 UTC No. 16156882
I have a personal pet theory that most of the people who reee out about how adhd doesn't exist have adhd themselves and either don't know about it/can't handle it well, I can't imagine why most normies would give a shit about adhd.
Even if it's the whole, wtf these people are cheating taking drugs if only I take drugs I'd do well, you can just look at the overachieving Asian foreigner taking a dump on your grades as a counterexample that you're just regularly retarded it's not about the drugs
Anonymous at Thu, 2 May 2024 20:44:50 UTC No. 16156895
>>16151226
Meth works less effectively on me compared to ritalin but meth is much cheaper.
Anonymous at Fri, 3 May 2024 00:28:24 UTC No. 16157114
>>16156882
I''m reeeing about ADHD because I got myself diagnosed as an adult and have been growing ever more disillusioned with the lack of actual science being applied to people who have been diagnosed and to the powerful drugs we're taking.
t. OP
Anonymous at Fri, 3 May 2024 06:15:55 UTC No. 16157394
Just because ADHD is overdiagnosed doesn't make it not real.