Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 06:49:47 UTC No. 16182426

based and separate pilled

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 06:58:14 UTC No. 16182432

>>16181893
The Jar is radiating infra-red in all directions. So no, it isn't disproving the second law of thermodynamics.

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 13:07:14 UTC No. 16182729

Sediment jars are cool as fuck. I still use them as an adult to determine soil texture and rockiness. I suppose it would be more poetic to say that rocky soil is gravid and that I'm measuring the gravidity of the soil.

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 13:47:36 UTC No. 16182765

>>16181893
Except it still follows thermodynamic laws by settling into the most preferred energetically stable position, now delete your thread, fuck off, and don't post on sci again unless you've actually taken the time to educate yourself on whatever you're trying to argue about.

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 15:02:10 UTC No. 16182843

>>16182765
Best post

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 15:26:50 UTC No. 16182876

>>16182765
/thread

Cult of Passion at Sun, 19 May 2024 15:34:39 UTC No. 16182894

>>16181893
>take a jar filled with water and pour some dirt into it
Nah.

https://youtu.be/5d0SAG2IbDQ

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 16:55:50 UTC No. 16182949

>>16182765
>y settling into the most preferred energetically stable position,
That isnt what the second law of thermodynamics says. It says that all microstates are equally possible, and states of highly mixed and disordered sediments are much more abundant so most likely. Ordered layers should be nearly impossibly

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 16:59:22 UTC No. 16182954

>>16182949
this is also, btw, the reason why its highly unlikely to ever dry clothes in a clothes drier and open it and find everything neatly neatly folded already, even though it would not be physically impossible

sage at Sun, 19 May 2024 17:01:58 UTC No. 16182959

>>16182949
>That isnt what the second law of thermodynamics says. It says that all microstates are equally possible
No, no it doesn't.

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 17:08:26 UTC No. 16182966

>>16182959
The second law of thermodynamics doesnt say anything about "preferred energy state", which is a meaningless expression.
It only says that entropy must never decrease in a closed system. Bottom line, that disorder must increase.

sage at Sun, 19 May 2024 17:21:47 UTC No. 16182982

>>16182966
Entropy is not disorder, entropy is the state of thermodynamic equilibrium in a system, the second law states that things in a system prefer to go from a more energetic, unstable state (low entropy) to a less energetic, stable configuration (high entropy), it says absolutely nothing about order or disorder, which is a completely relative term, when you shake the jar of dirt it's in a lower entropic state than when everything settles down and stops moving around, achieving thermodynamic equilibrium in the system.

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 17:34:55 UTC No. 16182998

>>16182982
Why are you saying it is in thermal dynamic equilibrium? Do you think that jar will still just be as it is in a trillion years?

sage at Sun, 19 May 2024 17:47:35 UTC No. 16183015

>>16182998
It is in relative thermodynamic equilibrium, yes, could it be in a higher entropy state, maybe, that doesn't mean it's going to be any more "disordered", entropy is all about equal forces in a system, nothing about order or disorder, a solid steel bar is in a high entropy state, despite being perfectly ordered, while metal vapour is in a low entropy state, despite being disordered, but the same vapour can also be in a high entropy state when all the atoms stop flying about and settle down into a preferred state of thermodynamic equilibrium.

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 17:58:23 UTC No. 16183034

Both radiators emit same power of light. Light concentrator intensifies the 112kW of light beam from the low temp radiator with an area of 1m^2, down to an area of 0.0625m^2. Light from the high temp radiator makes the return trip (reversable paths), going from 0.0625m^2 diluted over 1m^2. The light concentrator ensures both radiators are in equilibrium:

112kW is emited from both radiators, there is 224kW flux of light passing through the light tube. Both radiators emit and receive 112kW to and from their partner. There can be no change in either radiators temperature.

The key element of this set up is the "light concentration. Assume briefly such a thing could be made, would the rest of it work?

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 18:20:00 UTC No. 16183058

>>16182982
>entropy is the state of thermodynamic equilibrium in a system, t
Another meaningless statement. You just love to toss these bozzwords around "equilibrium" "preferred" like they are magic. For you, nature just do what you think it has to do because "preference and equilibrium". You dont know any physics, you only know buzzwords which could be used equally to support literally any statement.

sage at Sun, 19 May 2024 19:04:56 UTC No. 16183143

>>16183058
>Another meaningless statement
Balance of forces, can't make it simpler than that
>You just love to toss these bozzwords around "equilibrium" "preferred" like they are magic
"preferred" as in when two particles interact they impart kinetic energy upon one another, the forces need to balance out, or be in "equilibrium", because the fast particle is trying to speed up the slow one and vice versa, when particles are packed tightly enough and move slow enough, they have nowhere to go unless you impart some force on them, thus they are in thermodynamic equilibrium

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 19:08:17 UTC No. 16183155

>>16182949
>It says that all microstates are equally possible
it doesn't. that's just an assumption for a particular case. and in this case not all states are equally probable because of gravity.

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 20:22:12 UTC No. 16183275

>>16182765
where is the entropy? I was under the impression that everything will be brown and lukewarm.

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 21:50:55 UTC No. 16183368

>>16181893
>Why do scientists still insist on calling it a "law" when it's clearly false?
why is someone this retarded making posts on /sci/

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 00:09:16 UTC No. 16183568

>>16181893
This is why vodka settles into layers of alcohol and water if you leave it long enough.

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 00:29:38 UTC No. 16183606

>>16182959
Yes it does. The ergodic hypothesis is the theoretical framework for the 2nd law.

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 00:44:08 UTC No. 16183630

>>16183368
We have fantasy threads like this every single day though, that's what /sci/ is all about.

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 02:16:11 UTC No. 16183722

>>16182949
It's called GRAVITY you fucktard.

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 02:22:23 UTC No. 16183728

>>16181893
the energy you used for aggitation caused a bigger loss of entropy than the ordination of theparticles, that's why retard.

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 02:22:27 UTC No. 16183729

>>16183368
about 80% of threads on /sci/ are retarded narcissists misunderstanding simple concepts (because they are retards) and insisting that they alone have it all figured out (because they are narcissists). thousands of years of collective human knowledge and research mean nothing to these invalids.

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 02:28:26 UTC No. 16183734

>>16182982
> entropy is the state of thermodynamic equilibrium

nigga, what???

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 02:29:39 UTC No. 16183737

>>16183734
>i am stupid, please use simple words

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 03:34:56 UTC No. 16183805

>>16183143
>Balance of forces, can't make it simpler than that
>>16183143
>"preferred" as in when two particles interact they impart kinetic energy upon one another, the forces need to balance
Doubling down? This is just empty arguments. You could just use this to support any statement
>Eh rocks angular momentum diffracts infrared wavefunctions because of balance of equilibrium and energetic preference
This is how you sound, dumb schizo.

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 03:35:57 UTC No. 16183808

>>16183722
>It's called GRAVITY you fucktard.
You dont even know the difference between entropy and force

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 04:38:48 UTC No. 16183870

>>16183805
>HELP! HELP! HE'S USING BIG WORDS!
>HERE, LOOK, I JUMBLED UP SOME BIG WORDS, YOU SOUND LIKE THIS!
You are a fucking retard and you should be euthanized

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 05:44:59 UTC No. 16183981

>>16183606
>if you wait long enough things become homogenous
Your hypothesis is useless if you can only prove it on timescales longer than the lifespan of the universe, not only that ordered structures are still homogenous

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 05:48:53 UTC No. 16183987

>>16181893
Sediment jars prove flat earth. Gravity isn't real, things which are more dense simply trend towards the bottom of the dome as the dome accelerates upwards, infinitely climbing towards heaven but never reaching such lofty heights.

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 06:34:05 UTC No. 16184031

>>16183981
ive proven that it actually happens in Python
the real universe can suck a dick, I have a fucking computer

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 06:46:59 UTC No. 16184040

>>16184031
Sorry I only believe in things that can be demonstrated in reality

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 07:49:36 UTC No. 16184098

>>16181893
No need to mix water and dirt. I did the experiment with my cum. Over the course of a few months I filled three empty bottles. You can clearly observe that the sperm cells precipitate, forming a sediment at the bottom of the bottle. The liquid phase on the other hand turns from a whitish to a yellow color. But maybe here my experiment is a little bit biased because I used former orange juice bottles and didn't properly clean them before starting the experiment.

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 18:36:26 UTC No. 16184839

>>16184031
>he doesn't know that his computer only works because of thermodynamics
>he believes his python script accurately represents reality
ngmi

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 18:41:30 UTC No. 16184855

>>16182894
Nice.

Anonymous at Mon, 20 May 2024 22:36:08 UTC No. 16185204

>>16181893
How is this science? It's clearly an example of engineering.

Anonymous at Tue, 21 May 2024 00:49:01 UTC No. 16185382

>>16182765
Fpbp
>>16183734
>>16183058
If you're filtered by such basic thermodynamic terms, you shouldn't even be in this thread. Literally go back to Khan Academy

Anonymous at Tue, 21 May 2024 08:03:42 UTC No. 16185786

>>16182949
>It says that all microstates are equally possible, and states of highly mixed and disordered sediments are much more abundant so most likely.
Yes, however certain microstates are significantly more likely to occur beyond this as they obey the maxwell-boltzmann distribution.

Anonymous at Tue, 21 May 2024 08:26:20 UTC No. 16185823

>>16181893
>OP existing violates thermodynamics in OPs mind.
OP stop trolling for real.

Anonymous at Tue, 21 May 2024 08:42:24 UTC No. 16185851

>>16181893
In the presence of gravity potential energy will become kinetic energy: the sediment will fall to the bottom. Kinetic energy will be dissipated as heat. Overall free energy is minimized so the second law of thermodynamics holds.