🧵 how well we truly understand insect evolution?
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 14:09:43 UTC No. 16202519
dragonfly fossil was found out to be 300 million years old but where to go from that?
there is all the proof we need to show that dragonflies were pretty much the first insects but what is descending from them during 300 million year evolution?
dragon fly (literally "poke stick in the eye") has:
-aquatic larva that kinda looks like the adult without wings
-completely carnivorous
-barely any metamorphosis, the larva and adult have a lot in common
-completely useless creature on land, it must be in flight
golden eye has:
-terrestrial larva that resembles the adult only a little but there is still no true metamorphosis, the larva one day crawls out of a sand pile, breaks in half and adult walks out from the empty skin, the adult looks somewhat different but there was no cocoon phase or anything
-they are completely green as adults while dragonflies can be in multiple different colors except purple
-is formidable carnivore on land altough it prefers flying
-completely useless in water
it seems to me that damselflies eventually evolve into the golden eye, it took maybe 200 million years (both fold their wings in the same way while big dragon fly is unable at folding)
the big dragon flies have not changed from 300 million year old creatures except they have shrink in size
later on, golden eye will evolve to all the rest of the insects like this:
first beetles -> first wasp -> wasp evolves into butterflies
first beetles -> first "true fly" -> true flies like mammal carcass eating flesh fly evolve into a mosquito
mosquitoes are proven to exist 70 million years ago but there is no evidence from 300 million years ago
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 15:27:18 UTC No. 16202609
>>16202519
Fossil record is quite sparse for insects. There are more molecular phylogeny studies.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 15:30:12 UTC No. 16202615
>>16202519
the entire world should stop what they are doing right now and come together to exterminate all insects. Virtually any and every insect attacks me on sight ive even been bitten by fucking fruit flies. They are stupid stupid vermin that attack you despite you being an obvious danger to them they just keep coming back. No one hates insects more than i do
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 15:37:52 UTC No. 16202626
>>16202615
Even fruit flies are higher in the food chain than this guy
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 17:22:09 UTC No. 16202732
>>16202519
shit took literally 5 seconds to google and matches up with a somewhat plausible radiation after evolving ever more complex respiratory systems in the silurian, wings and the ability to occupy a shitton of niches entering the time of vascular plants, and some-coevolution with hymenoptera and eventually pollinators etc.
only thing I'd disagree with still is ephemeroptera after odonata, that's just wrong, from a developmental standing
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 17:34:59 UTC No. 16202742
Evolution is entirely debunked as an "explanation" for speciation. Leftards keep it alive because they pretend it somehow disproves God and they hate God because He told them not to stick things up their asses.
The fossil record, with its essentially instant appearances of new species, is ABSOLUTELY incompatible with evolution unless we pretend that 99.99999% of random genetic mutations are not deleterious. But we'd have to believe in a God for that to be true, or some kind of magic.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 17:55:17 UTC No. 16202777
>>16202742
autist, here's your (you) now fuck off
>>16202732
better phylogeny of the basal pterygote IMHO
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 17:59:29 UTC No. 16202784
>>16202777
>I don't have to address your point because I'm just sure someone must have solved this somewhere. The evolutionists would totally admit it if their theory is crap.
Let me guess, it's just way too complicated to explain, right?
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 18:03:46 UTC No. 16202792
>>16202784
Not bothering because you post low-effort baits
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 18:04:32 UTC No. 16202794
>>16202784
too stupid and too ignorant to waste time on
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 20:11:08 UTC No. 16202928
>>16202784
>>16202742
It doesn't add up if you take the time to dive into it. Regardless of whether you "believe" in it or not, what is objectively true is that evolution is unscientific. It's religious dogma, no lie.
>I'm just sure someone must have solved this somewhere.
Well said, this is what I found over and over in my investigations. When you ask for specification on apparent contradictions or holes in the theory, you get handwavy explanations and "its just true stop overthinking it" very similar to dogmatic Christians.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 May 2024 20:13:31 UTC No. 16202934
>>16202742
You might as well be a stereotypical homeless man with a sign that reads "The end is near"
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jun 2024 09:22:27 UTC No. 16203873
Bump
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jun 2024 09:38:57 UTC No. 16203898
>>16202519
Have you encountered Donald Williamson's theory of hybridogenesis of metamorphosing insects?
https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.107
He posits that all insects which have a distinct larval stage followed by radical metamorphosis into adult form are the result of an ancestral hybridisation event between an insect resembling the larval stage and another resembling the adult stage.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 08:51:44 UTC No. 16205943
>>16203898
This is actually very interesting