🧵 Fuck Mars
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 14:41:54 UTC No. 16206216
Honestly, fuck this planet. Why would anyone want to go here? Why are people deluded enough to think that we could ever live or establish a colony on this dusty rock?
Nothing but rocks and sand, I hope you can make everything you need out of metal, ceramic and glass and don't need silly frivolities like rubber or plastic to, for example, insulate electrical wires. No you can't just shit in the dead martian dust and grow potatoes, that's bullshit, you need a functioning biosphere to grow plants, and even if you could grow something the cosmic radiation will fuck them up because of Mars' piss weak magnetic.
We'd need Star Trek levels of replicator technology to live on Mars. If you have sufficient technology to live on Mars you have sufficient technology to live indefinitely in space, or on Earth itself after fucking it up.
Fuck Mars
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 14:55:39 UTC No. 16206234
>>16206216
Go home Jeff Bezos, you're drunk.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 14:59:52 UTC No. 16206237
>>16206216
We came from there. Saturn was our sun.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:01:55 UTC No. 16206240
>>16206216
Something else a lot of people don't realize is that Mars is only about twice the size of the moon. That's the primary reason it doesn't have (basically doesn't have) an atmosphere. The second reason is that it's got no magnetic field so enjoy your space radiation.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:37:10 UTC No. 16206308
>>16206240
>it's got no magnetic field
If it is trapped in the sun's orbit, then it has a magnetic field.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:38:43 UTC No. 16206311
>>16206216
It was a nice and comfy place before it was nuked twice with massive bombs that destroyed all life.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:44:18 UTC No. 16206315
>>16206234
Elon, is that you?
>>16206311
That was analysed on 4chan and found to be wrong.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 16:06:45 UTC No. 16206330
>>16206216
there are processes to convert co2 (95% of mars' atmosphere) into methane by basically sticking it in a high pressure high temperature oven together with hydrogen. you could probably get most useful forms of plastics and silicone out of that if you really wanted to.
setting up the kind of off-planet self sustaining industry for all of the manufacturing steps in that chain seems really not worth it though, since mars is and always will be a cold dead rock with a dwindling atmosphere and no magnetic field. it's just a shittier moon that's further away, harder to land on and take off from, and the only redeeming quality is its thin co2 atmosphere for making hydrocarbons in-situ.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 16:33:19 UTC No. 16206364
>>16206216
I wanna live there.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 16:43:33 UTC No. 16206379
>>16206216
We should launch all our nuclear stockpile there to see what happens desu.
Also, the image looks like it has 4 poles, which would be based.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 16:44:51 UTC No. 16206382
>>16206216
It's so hot that it would melt a human. How would anyone think it's possible to colonize that shithole planet
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 16:51:42 UTC No. 16206393
>>16206382
>It's so hot that it would melt a human. How would anyone think it's possible to colonize that shithole planet
Retard, we are going to live in comfy underground cities built in lavatubes.
Water is available in Mars, metals can be harvested in the belt by robotic probes, only thing we will need is a regular supply of manure and fertilizer to be send in starships.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:19:51 UTC No. 16206425
>>16206216
>you need a functioning biosphere to grow plants
not at all
all you need is hydroponics, water recycling and a trickle of nitric acid (because of denitrifying bacteria)
>silly frivolities like rubber
rubber can be made from dandelion or synthetically
there are two reasons why nobody is growing dandelions for rubber commercially right now
1) rubber trees grow in tropics and labour cost is pennies on the dollar there
2) dandelion roots are fragile and unsuitable for soil farming, so you need to use hydroponics (which you need on Mars anyway)
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:29:26 UTC No. 16206434
>>16206216
and as for plastics
there's also pretty likely chance there's abiotic oil/NG on Mars (as evidenced by impossibly high trace amounts of methan in atmosphere as well as traces of benzene and propen is rocks)
and even if you could not find any, there's still
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabat
all you need energy, CO2 and water, all of which are available
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:31:59 UTC No. 16206438
>>16206434
>oil/NG on Mars
Michael Bay thanks you for inspiring Armageddon II: Martian Boogaloo.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 18:20:45 UTC No. 16206499
>>16206425
So essentially people on Mars are meant to wear >>>/s/latex?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 18:47:27 UTC No. 16206514
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:13:43 UTC No. 16206643
>>16206216
Mars moons look kinda cozy.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:25:42 UTC No. 16206658
What planets on our solar system would be better for humans to settle? Maybe Venus?
I know some of the planets are GAS giants so you can't even land of them.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:28:08 UTC No. 16206664
>>16206658
earth
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:29:38 UTC No. 16206666
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:36:40 UTC No. 16206672
>>16206666
checked
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:37:46 UTC No. 16206676
>>16206393
Why not just live in comfy underground tunnel cities in the Antarctic bedrock beneath the miles of ice? With simpler technology and logistics than it requires for Mars you could build something that survives any disaster on Earth short of the physical annihilation via of the planet itself. Name me ONE disaster which could befall Earth which couldn't be survived in terrestrial subterranean bases more easily than Martian ones.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 21:23:31 UTC No. 16206771
>>16206676
sunstorm
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 21:24:40 UTC No. 16206773
>>16206658
Venus has a day 243x longer than ours and is like 900 degrees on the surface so no not venus
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jun 2024 23:45:08 UTC No. 16206967
>>16206773
Atmosphere is so dense, you need no parachute.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 00:00:05 UTC No. 16207000
>>16206676
Humans of low light reflectivity.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 00:10:26 UTC No. 16207013
>>16206216
Heh... You're right. The thing most dummies don't realize is that the planet dosen't have a magnetic field around it. Probably why it's losing it's atmosphere. If humans ever go there, they're gunna need to dig underground real fast or already have domes built by robots. The Sun don't give a fuck about farting deadly radiation across your planet.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 00:19:33 UTC No. 16207025
mars sucks, if space is ever colonized its going to be in places with weak gravity wells like asteroids and the moon since the weaker gravity wells make it viable to export extracted resources from them. Mars is unsuitable for mining but it also sucks to live on so whats the point?
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 00:29:35 UTC No. 16207033
>>16206658
Given enough time I think at least some humans are going to end up on all of them except maybe Venus. Earth will always have most people though since life support is free, so any industries in space will probably just be a few maintenance workers and shit tons of robotic equipment
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 00:34:17 UTC No. 16207039
>>16206216
Humanity started around rocks and sand
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 00:37:01 UTC No. 16207043
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 02:22:21 UTC No. 16207126
>>16206216
>Why would anyone want to go here?
bragging rights
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 02:41:49 UTC No. 16207161
>>16206216
>Why would anyone want to go here?
I think it would look cool. That's it. Honestly that's any reason to visit any terrestrial world in the solar system. btw some of the replies in this thread make me sad from how stupid they are.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 03:22:39 UTC No. 16207195
The stored hydrogen gas is injected into the combustion engine, where it is ignited to power the vehicle. Colonization project opportunity for new economic fuel.
https://phys.org/news/2021-10-mars-
(planet S) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx0
(planet U) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H5
(planet J) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tE
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 03:32:06 UTC No. 16207207
>>16206425
Good luck!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbF
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 03:34:12 UTC No. 16207208
>>16207207
>He thinks there are no ways to remove perchlorate
you're the kind of person who gives up after one obstacle appears
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 07:06:51 UTC No. 16207400
>>16206216
because earth will be even less hospitable at some point
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 09:35:03 UTC No. 16207514
>>16207207
>>16207208
"not because they are easy, but because they are hard" why not we invest fee trillion buckarinos into space programs and get maybe a self sustained socialist dream world( DDR Mondbasis) but maybe we should try it with the moon or even our own oceans and build undersea cities. And we won't need soil or any other shit if we finally decide to use Formose sugar reactors and synthetic aminoacids. And we could easily make glycine and fat acids. I don't understand botanic faggots and agriculture queers thinking they are the only ones that can make food. Synthetic food is far superior and I won't eat ze bugs even on mars.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 09:49:39 UTC No. 16207528
>>16207025
Who is your favorite NBA player?
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 14:00:25 UTC No. 16207828
>>16207528
My is diva from cyberteam in akihabara
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 16:49:42 UTC No. 16207986
>>16206773
>a day 243x longer than ours
Have sunshade construction to simulate more than 24 hour.
>900 degrees on the surface
Cloud city base and use artificial moon transport supplies
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jun 2024 23:07:02 UTC No. 16208624
>>16206499
>>16207043
/S/tfu
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 00:40:50 UTC No. 16208770
>>16207400
Not until the sun runs out of hydrogen.
https://extinctionclock.org/
Go glue yourself to a road climate tranny
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 00:45:40 UTC No. 16208775
>>16207986
>sunshade
you can do that with Mars too
>Cloud city
cloud cities are a waste of time. If you're going to do all that you might as well construct rotating habitats in space
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 00:49:39 UTC No. 16208783
>>16206658
There aren't any, some places might be worth visiting but still require a ton of effort. Like Europa, it'd be cool to see if there's an ocean with alien life under those miles of ice, good luck getting there with a submarine though
Also space colonisation means the absolute end of liberalism, given that liberal philosophy is based on the concept of man in a state of nature and natural rights. There are no natural rights in space, whoever controls the life support system is master.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 00:53:20 UTC No. 16208791
>>16208770
it's more about the people shitting it up
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 00:58:29 UTC No. 16208806
>>16207986
>sunshade
Use Mars as the sun shade.
>move Venus into Earth's orbit in L3
>move Mars into Venus' orbit in L1
>thaw out Mars and cool down Venus
>maybe set up some kind of conduit to siphon off Venus' atmosphere to Mars
>wait half a million years or so
>you've got a pair of planets that might be usable... but probably not, so just break them down for parts and build habitats out of them.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 02:35:13 UTC No. 16208982
>>16208806
A trillion money on megaprojects gravity pull spacecraft…
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 02:39:12 UTC No. 16208985
>>16208791
>futurama
>EvergreenFir
Every time
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 04:30:16 UTC No. 16209151
>>16206234
Fucking cringe, reddit tier cringe
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 11:46:11 UTC No. 16209615
>>16206308
>If it is trapped in the sun's orbit, then it has a magnetic field.
Explain this to me like I'm a freshman in high school, please.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 16:57:03 UTC No. 16210020
>>16206330
>there are processes to convert co2 (95% of mars' atmosphere) into methane by basically sticking it in a high pressure high temperature oven together with hydrogen.
Where would the heat and pressure come from? And the hydrogen?
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 16:58:18 UTC No. 16210024
thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE6
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 16:59:31 UTC No. 16210028
>>16207025
Besides Earth it is the only place in the Solar system where the following 3 things all apply:
- it has a gravity gradient
- its surface is rocky. With that I mean silicate rocky, not mostly water-ice.
- it has a significant atmosphere
Because of that, metallurgy and steelmaking are only viable there, just like industry in general.
* for most tasks like steelmaking, you need a gravity gradient. You can't cast iron in 0G
* you can't mine for ores on a place where the surface is to a significant degree just water ice.
* you need an atmosphere so the heat from the foundries and factories can be dumped into it. Everywhere else (besides Titan), having a foundry implies endless radiator fields to get rid of the waste heat. You don't need that on Mars.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 17:01:42 UTC No. 16210032
>>16207986
Explain the advantage of engineering a flying city over just living in an orbiting station?
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 17:06:04 UTC No. 16210040
>>16210028
>it has a significant atmosphere
You are mistaken, sadly. What Mars uses for an atmosphere would count as a pretty good vacuum in a laboratory on earth.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 17:08:49 UTC No. 16210042
>>16210028
The Moon is better than Mars for any of that.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 19:07:03 UTC No. 16210219
>>16209615
>high school
It's true because I said so and if you disagree you're getting detention
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 19:47:00 UTC No. 16210280
>>16206216
It's a desert at the bottom of a gravity well and a total fucking meme. All the good shit mankind or an AI needs to build anything useful is scattered around on asteroids, comets and minor moons, once you get over the biological need for gravity. Musk just wanted an oversized rocket for his Starlink satellites and used a nerd meme to attract investment.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:46:30 UTC No. 16210396
>>16206330
Except the total amount of atmosphere on Mars is about 2% of that on Earth.
So you’d have to filter the air for long periods of time before getting very small quantities of CO2 to work with.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:49:17 UTC No. 16210400
>>16206425
>1 acre
>250 truck tires
That doesn’t seem very good.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:50:18 UTC No. 16210403
>>16206499
Imagine making an entire career and MIT job out of a product that doesn’t work.
And MIT is too proud to admit their mistakes and fire her.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:59:26 UTC No. 16210425
>>16206216
Because it use to have water and can still have it underground, Mars colonies will have to deal with constant wars though
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 21:02:21 UTC No. 16210438
Honestly, fuck the East Indies. Why would anyone want to go here? Why are people deluded enough to think that we could ever live or establish a colony on these unknowable lands?
Nothing but rocks and sand, I hope you can make everything you need out of metal, ceramic and glass and don't need silly frivolities like timber or iron to, for example, create a proper tea kettle. No you can't just shit in the dead island dust and grow potatoes, that's bullshit, you need a functioning biosphere to grow plants, and even if you could grow something the island waves will fuck them up because of the Indies' piss weak shores.
Fuck the East Indies
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 21:19:18 UTC No. 16210470
>>16206240
speaking about the moon, shouldn't we terraform the moon first?
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 21:37:59 UTC No. 16210515
>>16210219
Sexy detention? With female teacher's pets who will punish me?
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 21:38:46 UTC No. 16210518
>>16210403
>that doesn’t work
Source? The reasoning behind the design seems sound.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 02:21:50 UTC No. 16210918
>>16206658
venus is basically hell
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 03:12:13 UTC No. 16210977
>>16210396
Hey yeah i'm fucking retarded too and haven't heard of an air compressor
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 03:14:41 UTC No. 16210981
>>16210020
>Where would the heat and pressure come from? And the hydrogen?
What the fuck are you talking about? You use machines, like you know, on earth to make heat and pressure? Hydrogen is electrolysed from water which will be done anyway because you need both hydrogen and oxygen for chemical rocket fuel and breathing gas for colonists.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 03:15:47 UTC No. 16210983
>>16206216
American mad again?
>>>/pol/470200770
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 04:37:41 UTC No. 16211065
>>16210518
The principle is sound and was tested and found promising years ago, but that MIT whore has no interest in actually developing it.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 07:47:29 UTC No. 16211184
7 hours until death
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 09:23:54 UTC No. 16211261
>>16208791
No matter how shitty earth gets, it's basically guaranteed that it's always going to be better than anywhere else.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 10:40:57 UTC No. 16211296
>>16211261
Mars may have almost no atmosphere, but it also has almost no Jews.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 11:00:31 UTC No. 16211317
>>16206216
Most of the planets in this solar system are kinda gay. Gas giants moons and dwarf planets are pretty cool tho. But they're obviously even worse choice for living than Mars. If there's a chance to land on Mars and plant a flag to flex, sure, that would be cool.
The only feasable way forward is maybe cancelling the IIS and have a scientific outpost on Earths moon. And focus on finding ayy fish somewhere.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 11:23:44 UTC No. 16211339
>>16206216
>fuck Mars
That's kinda gay, OP.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 11:25:08 UTC No. 16211341
>>16208770
>Not until the sun runs out of hydrogen.
It doesn't have to for everything here to get cooked.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 11:36:37 UTC No. 16211357
>>16211296
>almost no Jews
What the fuck do you mean "almost"?
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 11:55:07 UTC No. 16211370
>>16206216
Asteroid mining base
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:29:52 UTC No. 16211402
>>16206216
Because nothing could ever be worse than Earth
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:31:52 UTC No. 16211404
>>16206216
Mars has
>no murderers
>no rapists
>no crime
>no high interest rates
>no late fees
>no unemployment
>no corruption
>no greed
>no envy
>no loneliness
>no pain
>no suffering
>no wars
vs. Earth
Barkon. at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:37:59 UTC No. 16211413
>>16211404
There's gonna be a big change to Mars soon. Mars is ours.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:06:15 UTC No. 16211470
>>16209609
Not so fast, Anon.
First we have to be sure it's completely devoid of life or even devoided of proto-life processes to do something more than a landing mission.
The moment life or a process that will lead to life is confirmed on Mars it will be declared a protected natural reserve and any further mission will comply with very strict ethical standards.
Moon will be easier, to be honest.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:10:39 UTC No. 16211478
>>16211357
Nazis have a base on the dark side of the Moon, and Jews have one on the dark side of Mars.
Try to read more, Anon, this is WWII basic knowledge.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:15:49 UTC No. 16211484
>>16211404
Reminder that 100% of crimes committed in space have been done by female NASA astronauts.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 15:19:37 UTC No. 16211853
>>16206216
best option rn is ganymede or europa for subterranean living. Also Syd Mead style ring space stations
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 15:21:37 UTC No. 16211858
>>16210470
Moon has no sufficient atmosphere. Temperatures vary from human soup to human icicle with a 3 day intermediary period. Also fucking with the moon too significantly could be extinction level for Earth.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 15:25:53 UTC No. 16211877
>>16211484
I'm gonna need a fact check on that
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 15:29:09 UTC No. 16211889
>>16211858
>Also fucking with the moon too significantly could be extinction level for Earth.
You have no idea just how big the moon is.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 16:07:26 UTC No. 16211944
>>16211889
Minor variances in its tidally locked orbit could completely wreck our oceans. Moon is best left alone.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 16:09:47 UTC No. 16211950
>>16211877
No one care if you believe the Sun rises in the east or not.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 16:11:03 UTC No. 16211952
>>16211877
No one cares if you believe the Sun rises in the east or not.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 16:15:14 UTC No. 16211959
>>16211944
Do you have any conceptualization of how much energy it would take to change the moon's orbit by so much as an inch?
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 19:58:34 UTC No. 16212262
>>16211065
So if they haven't developed it, what have they done then?
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 20:01:19 UTC No. 16212268
>>16212262
>Woah cool suit
>>16211484
>roastie
Yike
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 21:33:41 UTC No. 16212486
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 21:51:29 UTC No. 16212515
>>16212268
It is about time the astronauts looked like the future is here.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 21:53:55 UTC No. 16212520
>>16212515
That future is only going to be here if Ozempic turns out to not have some serious side effects.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Jun 2024 00:46:17 UTC No. 16212758
>>16211853
>Also Syd Mead style ring space stations
The best option for space colonisation
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Jun 2024 02:41:26 UTC No. 16212912
>>16211853
Have Venus colonization test to terraforming plan
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Jun 2024 03:16:00 UTC No. 16212975
>>16206216
You have no right to say what is or isn't possible, we can do anything.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jun 2024 00:55:25 UTC No. 16218539
>>16212975
No u
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jun 2024 08:27:51 UTC No. 16219095
>>16212975
Just because you can doesn't mean it's worth it.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jun 2024 08:30:39 UTC No. 16219100
>>16219095
theres no other option sojlent drinker, mars is the closest, anything else and you make it years of travel time
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:44:04 UTC No. 16219919
>>16219100
There's literally one way closer, go outside and look up. the moon is way more valuable and cost-effective than mars. by the time the moon is developed enough as a colony, the technology will be there to skip right past mars. the most mars will ever get is like a few scientific outposts at most.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:52:06 UTC No. 16219942
>>16212975
>we can do anything
We literally can't though. There's tons of stuff that's either literally impossible or so impractical it's out of our reach.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:02:34 UTC No. 16219959
>>16219919
>the moon is way more valuable
Why? As a thing for people to say we did sure, it's cool. But why is it valuable in any real sense of the word? It's some of the worst real estate in the known universe. It just has the virtue of being kinda relatively close to us.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:34:35 UTC No. 16220032
Mars looks like it takes about twice the delta v to land on than landing on the Moon. Getting fuel out of Earth's gravity well is expensive so 2X is significant but not show stopping. Basically one trip to Mars equals two trips to the Moon for equal mass. Equal mass wouldn't be the case if it is a manned mission since life supplies for humans would be greater on the longer trip to and from Mars. Still, compared to the mass of fuel and the ship, it's not all that much.
Finding a way to produce fuel on the Moon would be amazing but I've yet to see anything really solid in that regard, just theories.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jun 2024 21:57:37 UTC No. 16220710
>>16210280
this is irrelevant when rockets are cheap
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jun 2024 22:15:32 UTC No. 16220737
>>16206676
Overpopulation
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jun 2024 00:48:50 UTC No. 16221000
>>16220737
with many anime waifu
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jun 2024 17:27:00 UTC No. 16222336
>>16212486
Indeed
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jun 2024 17:36:22 UTC No. 16222351
>>16206643
They will probably be handy as waystations and fuel depots.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jun 2024 17:40:18 UTC No. 16222360
>>16206643
Useful as artificial magnetosphere?
>>16206658
Cut monthly flyby with Venusian gravity pull catapult
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jun 2024 22:08:40 UTC No. 16222976
>>16206216
It Will always be a dead world as a whole but it's not impossible to make a self sustaining city sized terrarium in the future.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jun 2024 10:23:02 UTC No. 16224150
>>16221796
not far from literal hell
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jun 2024 12:16:21 UTC No. 16224269
>>16207033
>Given enough time I think at least some humans are going to end up on all of them except maybe Venus.
I am intrigued and looking forward to an explanation how Jupiter can be more habitable than Venus.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jun 2024 12:39:53 UTC No. 16224286
>>16210400
it's about the same as rubber tree plantation
except you don't need to wait 1-2 decades before you can harvest it and you can stack hydroponic basins on top of each other
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jun 2024 12:41:22 UTC No. 16224290
>>16206216
Rome was founded by the sons of Mars.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jun 2024 13:21:32 UTC No. 16224350
>>16224269
>Strongest gravitational field
I would argue Saturn ring colony and cloud city in Neptune
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jun 2024 18:53:40 UTC No. 16225115
>>16207013
>The thing most dummies don't realize is that the planet dosen't have a magnetic field around it
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 08:43:14 UTC No. 16226440
>>16206425
You need 1 atmosphere of presurrized air too which you have to bring from earth becauase mars is a shithole with barely any air and negligible nitrogen
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 08:48:42 UTC No. 16226445
>>16206308
not necessarily? wtf is this retard shit
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:23:55 UTC No. 16226492
>>16206658
Earth, retard
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:26:38 UTC No. 16226498
>>16208770
Fuck off oil oilkike retard
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:29:47 UTC No. 16226508
>>16220710
What a moronic niggerly thing to say. You should kill yourself.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:33:59 UTC No. 16226511
>>16210280
The spinqueer fears the gravity well, because once on solid ground he's afraid he'll never get off again.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:35:00 UTC No. 16226512
>>16210042
Moon has very little carbon.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:36:01 UTC No. 16226513
>>16208806
>move Venus into Earth's orbit in L3
Lagrange points don't work that way. They only work with one big object, one smaller object, and one tiny object. You can't put a planet in another planet's L points.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 12:17:11 UTC No. 16226660
>>16226513
I think the rations should be at least 25 : 1 for this to work. Theia was a bit on the heavy side and gave Earth a bad day.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 12:47:40 UTC No. 16226698
>>16211357
There's always a few
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 13:49:36 UTC No. 16226785
>>16206382
Botpost
>>16206393
Another botpost
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 14:03:02 UTC No. 16226802
>>16226512
>>16210042
Perfect opportunity for space
factory production using strategic solutions mining Caelus, Neptune and Jupiter’s atmosphere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naf
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 14:10:55 UTC No. 16226813
We could move all the factories in there and let them pollute in peace, because it doesn't harm a dead planet.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 15:31:35 UTC No. 16226882
>>16210032
There is none.
Anon just thinks the idea of a 'cloud city' is cool.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 15:56:03 UTC No. 16226915
>>16211832
Not in your lifetime
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 18:03:45 UTC No. 16227135
>>16206393
>only thing we will need is a regular supply of manure and fertilizer to be send in starships.
Mars will be colonized by indians
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 20:22:33 UTC No. 16227357
>>16212520
So the space race will be won by the Japanese?
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 20:28:56 UTC No. 16227365
>>16227135
Canadian/Mexican or Argentine/Brazilian
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 22:06:18 UTC No. 16227517
>>16210918
Venus is based. I wish the earth became more like it to wipe the slate clean.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 22:12:59 UTC No. 16227529
>>16206216
This board argues over planets like /a/ argues over underage cartoon girls.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 22:14:11 UTC No. 16227533
>>16206773
>Venus has a day 243x longer than ours
only because of the dummy thicc atmosphere
> 900 degrees on the surface
only because of the dummy thicc atmosphere
i can fix her
just give me sci-fi technology to perform planetary engineering and to crack up her crust to stop the catastrophic runaway greenhouse effect
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 22:49:59 UTC No. 16227600
>>16206425
Stomatal diffusion of atmospheric oxygen is necessary for ATP production during light-indepedent photosynthesis. Plants do need oxygen and they don't get it from the roots. You're right in general about a controlled environment being needed on Mars anyway, though
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 00:38:15 UTC No. 16227720
>>16219959
Plus, it's hollow.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 01:05:37 UTC No. 16227753
>>16227533
>dummy thicc atmosphere
>daughter of "Venus" god
She sure does
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 01:08:51 UTC No. 16227759
>>16210032
>>16226882
One day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 01:19:23 UTC No. 16227765
>>16206216
>Fuck Mars
Yeah me too I would like to fuck a red hot chick.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 02:03:35 UTC No. 16227796
>>16206240
Congrats! Yes, people are stupid ignorant peasants. Most have absolutely no idea. Its easy to forget how the general population is absolutely devoid of such basic knowledge. Even if informed most can not grasp the implications.
Remember this if you ever want to exploit these monkeys for your own personal gain.
Also remember it next time you vote.
And remember it when civilization collapses and we are forced to cull our numbers in order to survive.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 02:14:47 UTC No. 16227808
>>16207039
Lol, the ignorance of you sheltered stupid little fucks is so laughable.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 02:28:24 UTC No. 16227827
>>16224150
Imagine a space civ where, thanks to robotics, we are all so rich and high in resource abundance that each family can own their own ring home. A family of 5 and 100 worker bots can maintain the plantation and the craft. We all get to live on acres of farmland in space and it's all for ourselves!
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 02:34:37 UTC No. 16227833
>>16206240
Titan has the same gravity as the moon and a denser amosphere
It has no magnetic field
A large part of earths atmospheric density is thanks to outgassing from the ground, which helps offset losses from solar winds
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 02:35:03 UTC No. 16227835
>>16211470
lol, as if that matters, 99.9999% of Earth's population would happily commit planetary biocide if it meant getting a Mars selfie. That percentage gets much closer to 100% if there were any resources worth exploiting
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 03:29:01 UTC No. 16227880
>>16227765
>red hot chick
>Starfire race
Big titty (& eye) anime bae gonna get real.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 06:48:01 UTC No. 16228057
>>16220032
aerobraking
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 10:28:12 UTC No. 16228208
>>16206216
I dare anyone to explain why bother with Mars before having lunar bases.
All Mars has over our moon is trace atmosphere and some ice.
A bit more gravity is nice, but also makes it much more expensive to move things to and from Mars.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 11:39:27 UTC No. 16228233
>>16228208
>trace atmosphere
This makes a ton of difference. You can pump oxygen out of it and vent to it.
>some ice
Another massive advantage. It's not some ultra-rare thing in special craters at the south pole. It's everywhere and you use a shovel.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 12:43:09 UTC No. 16228308
>>16228208>>16228233
Mars has valuable resources but the moon is closer and has strategic positions such as Peaks of Eternal Light. IT is likely that the moon will be seen to have military values, especially in the regions with ice, which can be used for fuel.
Many serious military papers have been written on the strategic value of the moon in a space war scenario.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 14:09:36 UTC No. 16228396
>>16206216
Agreed. Our moon can do everything Mars can, but better.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 14:10:38 UTC No. 16228399
>>16228217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hx
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:44:37 UTC No. 16228561
>>16228308
>Peaks of Eternal Light.
does it have those?
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:59:05 UTC No. 16228579
>>16228308
>Many serious military papers have been written on the strategic value of the moon
Faggot literature
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 17:15:22 UTC No. 16228621
>>16206216
>rubber or plastic
Are you fucking retarded? Mars has H2O present as frozen ice, CO2's available in the atmosphere and as solid chunks. You can make a lot of different polymers from just hydrogen and carbon. But wait, there's also nitrogen in the atmosphere + sulfur and phosphorous in the dirt. You can make damn near anything organic with CHNOPS. Silicone can be made with hydrogen and silicon(dirt). All the elements are there to make plastic and rubber
>>16210020
Hydrogen comes from frozen water ice. You get heat and pressure with nuclear power.
>>16210028
>can't cast iron
Why the fuck not? Just pump it in a mold
>can't mine for ores
Why the fuck not? It's just moving dirt and rock?
>need an atmosphere
Radiators can be used to dispose of heat
>>16206658
Venus has fuck all hydrogen. Just refilling a rocket to get back is fucking insanity
>>16228396
The moon has fuck all hydrogen. You know what industry and space bases need? Seals. Seals are best made from elastomers and you can't make elastomers without organics.
>>16228208
Hydrogen and carbon are way, way, more abundant on Mars.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 20:22:31 UTC No. 16229032
>>16228621
>Venus has #%*k all hydrogen
Converting sulfuric acid and remaining misty vapor into H2
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 21:08:27 UTC No. 16229108
>>16228561
Supposedly several, both on the north and south pole. The lunar inclination is just 3 degrees so it doesn't take much.
>>16228579
Got kicked out of the military?
Some of the space power guys seemed rather cool.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jun 2024 21:42:44 UTC No. 16229177
>>16210024
Latins otaku thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_C
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 00:35:59 UTC No. 16229480
>>16228217
Don't ask questions you are ill prepared for.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 00:41:18 UTC No. 16229486
>>16210981
>Hydrogen is electrolysed from water
>green type
What other color type?
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 07:49:19 UTC No. 16229934
>>16229486
There is "blue hydrogen" made from hydrocarbons.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 07:54:23 UTC No. 16229941
>>16229480
This is what blue hydrogen looks like. This is not a render.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 11:35:48 UTC No. 16230132
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:23:47 UTC No. 16230211
>>16229934
>pink, red and purple
Nuclear energy made into fuel resource
>brown
Distracting from natural coal and food waste
>white
Neo-gold rush h2
>yellow
Solar generate more h2
Barkon. at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:27:48 UTC No. 16230214
>>16230211
It depends how good you are.
Skill is one option. Vantage. Finance. Nature. Fame. Etc. There are hundreds of thousands of 'goods'.
You won't be looked passed. You will be offered support if you're more than half-way there.
Boxed investments are possible.
You won't be given any special treatment but you will be considered in the first sitting.
IQ doesn't matter.
Barkon. at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:29:39 UTC No. 16230218
>>16230214
Boxes can be worth multi trillions. That's my only 'special treatment's.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 14:49:36 UTC No. 16230388
Barkon = bot?
Barkon. at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 15:08:03 UTC No. 16230407
>>16230388
>>16230388
No I'm just bicameral.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:43:18 UTC No. 16230687
>>16229032
There's fuck all sulfuric acid. When you look at how much atmosphere you gotta process to get enough hydrogen from sulfuric acid and other crap, it's insane. The mass flow rate similiar to the three gorges dam to refill starship in a year
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 21:02:52 UTC No. 16230982
Let's assume for a second that moon landing was not a hoax, how fucking lame is it that that decades later, with so many technological advancements, we have not sent people to Mars yet? It's like humans want to rush to extinction.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Jun 2024 22:19:46 UTC No. 16231086
>>16230982
That is essentially the debate over in >>16221937
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Jun 2024 08:03:03 UTC No. 16232042
>>16207161
I agree. Wanderlust is a very human drive, and it is a sign of the time that people do not want to go out to explore.
Also, Mars has an eerie beauty of its own with a great landscape such as Valles Marineris.
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Jun 2024 08:51:53 UTC No. 16232111
>>16206315
>That was analysed on 4chan and found to be wrong.
But was is analysed by snopes?
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:40:40 UTC No. 16232254
>>16232111
The 4chan analysis was plausible, the guff from Snopes is thinly disguised propaganda.
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Jun 2024 13:13:14 UTC No. 16232474
>>16230687
It not insane. This is space king!
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Jun 2024 23:37:23 UTC No. 16233498
>>16206216
Built nuke reactor instead bomb it?
https://phys.org/news/2012-03-nucle
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:44:34 UTC No. 16233699
>>16226508
cope sneed dilate
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jun 2024 02:13:01 UTC No. 16233722
I think it's just the closest rock that won't crush us to death or burn us alive. Also it had water sometime in its history opening up the possibility for martian life sometime in the past.
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jun 2024 10:09:04 UTC No. 16234268
>>16233722
>that won't crush us to death or burn us alive
And what about the moon, can that do either??
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jun 2024 14:47:26 UTC No. 16234581
>>16232474
prove it. How would you refuel starship on Venus then? Show your math or GTFO!
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jun 2024 15:25:08 UTC No. 16234634
>>16210028
>You can't cast iron in 0G
Obviously not true.
About heat you can use water, abundant for example on ceres.
Lack of water is a real obstacle about asteroids, it's useful on many levels.
For the record mars atmosphere at such low pressure isn't that great either, radiators would need to be large anyway if you want to use that.
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jun 2024 21:17:40 UTC No. 16235201
>>16210028
>- it has a gravity gradient
Really?? How can you have a body with its own strong gravitation without a gravity gradient?
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jun 2024 21:26:10 UTC No. 16235211
>>16234581
I'd probably have it aero drag into low orbit then descend and inflate balloons. Certain altitudes of venus are pretty earth like and the starship could float around and fuel off that atmosphere.
Next. ..
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jun 2024 22:47:38 UTC No. 16235319
>>16206658
Titan
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 00:17:23 UTC No. 16235424
>>16235211
sigh... do I have to explain everything to you? I said to SHOW YOUR MATH. Does that post have any math in it? NO.
>Certain altitudes of venus are pretty earth like
Never disputed that, HOWEVER, these are not the best altitudes for harvesting clouds. Peak cloud mass loading as measured by the Pioneer Venus Large Probe occurs at about 50 km and temperature's 77 C. That's a bit warm. Mass loading data from here:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley
Peak mass loading is about 90 mg/m^3 at 50 km and that's pretty much 100% sulfuric acid. This translate to droplet about 2 mm in diameter. Starship booster and all needs something like 4600 tons of methane. This means you need about 1160 tons of hydrogen. And hydrogen's 2.1% of the mass of H2SO4. So you need 1160 tons/0.021= 56,434 tons of sulfuric acid. Which means you need to process a volume of atmosphere equal to 56,434 tons /90 mg/m^3= 6.27e11 m^3
density at this altitude's about 1.6 kg/m^3, so assuming we refill starship in one earth year we need a mass flow rate through whatever's filtering cloud out of the atmosphere of:
(1.6 kg * ((56 434 000 kg) / (90 mg))) / (1 year) =31,792 kg/s
or a volumetric flow rate of 19868.8554 (m^3) / second
In comparison, a GE90 turbofan at take off has a mass flow rate of 1350 kg/s. So you need a mass flow rate roughly equal to 23.5 GE90s. Sucking clouds through a filter or cyclonic separator could work, but you need a lot of power. So one option is to take advantage of different wind speeds at different altitudes to pull a filter through the air
https://www.researchgate.net/figure
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 00:29:26 UTC No. 16235438
>>16235424
>>16235424
The world highest kite was flown to about 4.9 km. The difference in mean wind speed from the Venus International Reference Atmosphere between 50 km and 55 km is like 6.2 m/s
we need a surface area of 19868.8554 (m^3) / second / 6.2 m/s =3204.65 m^2. Which means we need a sail or filter of some sort of 61 m in diameter. Which is sort of comparable to the wing span of a 747. I'll admit this isn't too insane. In fact, fishing supertrawler drag nets that are 200 meters across. This does assume you can collect 100% of cloud particles that pass through the filter. In reality, this isn't likely to be the case. The other problem is that your 'cloud trawler' needs to overcome a ~3.4 m/s wind that's pushing it to the poles. Counteracting this is nontrivial.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 02:11:55 UTC No. 16235558
>>16235319
Europa (origin of Europe)
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 03:31:54 UTC No. 16235657
>>16206330
the better place to do stuff like that is Venus, by FAR - last time i did back-of-the-napkin calculations for it it seemed like Venus has substantially more carbon in its atmosphere alone than Earth does from all known carbon reservoirs, including carbonate minerals, which was staggering to me. Venus also comes with a local source of hydrogen in the form of sulfuric acid clouds. and ample solar flux for power. and readily available sources of the pressures/temperatures needed for the Bosch/Sabatier reactions.
the Bosch reaction is probably ideal here if you wanted to terraform Venus by reducing its greenhouse effect - it generates solid carbon from CO2 and uses 1/3 less hydrogen gas. you could just dump the carbon back down to the surface (from your breathable atmosphere floating balloon outpost) if you wanted, the supercritical CO2 down there would keep the oxygen waste product higher in the atmosphere (seriously, there'd be way more of it than could be consumed by breathing), preventing a back-reaction.
i suppose there's the possibility of carbothermal reduction of oxyanion and oxide minerals at the temperatures and pressures at the surface, but for sulfates that would actually help to cool the atmosphere by dredging up more SO2 into it, which in turn would accelerate the generation of sulfuric acid clouds for hydrogen sourcing for your Bosch/Sabatier reactions. oh, and your balloon colony would be floating at about 50-55km from the surface, right near the cloud layer, so you're quite close to your hydrogen source already.
Venus is so much better than Mars.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 03:42:01 UTC No. 16235666
>>16235657
The difference in temperature between the upper and lower atmosphere of Venus would provide basically infinite energy, you would never need solar there.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 04:00:15 UTC No. 16235685
>>16235657
also, forgot to mention - the Bosch reaction allows you to reuse all of the hydrogen you collect. the net reaction is just CO2 splitting if you electrolyze the water. sequestering hydrogen in plastics via methane-based plastic manufacture is probably not a good idea long term, using it as rocket fuel is even worse (you're losing most of it permanently with every lauch). you're going to want materials with a very high carbon predominance if you can help it. luckily... that makes for some damn good materials.
people often forget the Bosch reaction exists because methane is commonly produced industrially, and you can just mine for carbon, but in a hydrogen constrained environment like Venus, making highly hydrogenated hydrocarbons is also constrained.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 04:02:10 UTC No. 16235691
>>16206216
FUCK URF
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 04:23:06 UTC No. 16235715
>>16235666
taking advantage of that differential requires heat exchange infrastructure that's kilometers long - i suppose it's not impossible in theory, once you've gotten local manufacturing going, but getting that going is going to have to start with solar. and you're still likely to do both regardless. and you're gonna have a hell of a time not losing the heat to leakage on that kilometers-long journey up through the Venusian atmosphere before it can power whatever Carnot cycle generator you're using.
solar also provides a potential solution to the day/night issue in the form of large shades covered in solar panels and using slightly less dense lifting gasses to be held above the balloon dwellings. a shade with n openings for a radial, equidistant arrangement of n balloon dwellings would only need to rotate fully once every n Earth days if the balloon dwellings were given enough space between them. the need to adjust for solar angle would be basically nonexistent - you'd be getting ideal angles for solar panel operation at all times if you set things up right.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 04:41:03 UTC No. 16235731
>>16235657
oh, shit, i was wrong - Bosch only uses HALF the amount of hydrogen as Sabatier (per mol of CO2), not 2/3rds. i was thinking of the H2 fraction in CO methanation, not Sabatier
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 04:49:23 UTC No. 16235736
>>16206216
FUCK EVERY PLANET.
DO THE PLOT OF BIOMEGA OR DIE TRYING!
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 05:53:15 UTC No. 16235791
>>16235666
so how do you harness that temperature difference?
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 06:11:28 UTC No. 16235799
>>16235797
>crash ceres into mars
Dangerously based
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 06:16:45 UTC No. 16235804
>>16235791
I would reckon you cycle a fluid and use the expansion to spin a turbine
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 06:21:48 UTC No. 16235811
>>16235797
Would be a much fancier moon than the two potatoes
Could provide tidal heating for mars
Shame
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 06:25:09 UTC No. 16235814
>>16235666
>>16235715
You can just stick a really long u shaped pipe out the bottom of the balloon that dips far enough down to make supercritical steam and you have infinite free energy and heat to keep your cloud city afloat
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 06:52:30 UTC No. 16235836
>>16235811
>two potatoes
Put em in a Slingshot and send them to Jupiter!
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 07:29:30 UTC No. 16235874
>>16235797
Sure, if you have a method of moving such a huge load then go ahead.
However, I don't really see the point.
Mars has 10% the mass of Earth, and Ceres only has like 0.01% of the mass of Earth.
Best case scenario, the impact restarts Mar's core and the conditions shift very slightly closer to those of Earth.
In fact, I'm fairly certain that even if you took all the sub-earth celestial bodies in the solar system (excluding Venus) and smashed them all together you'd only get something with around 20% of Earth's mass.
While I'm not sure how much mass you actually need to hold a substantial atmosphere, given that Venus is roughly 80% Earth's size and has a pretty robust one I say we use that as our benchmark.
So yeah - unless you somehow cannibalize the larger rocky planets like Neptune and Uranus on a massive scale - we're a little short on materials.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 07:33:18 UTC No. 16235878
>>16206216
This is reddit cringe
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 07:56:35 UTC No. 16235905
>>16235814
that was exactly the system i was imagining, and the problem of heat loss from that supercritical steam through the massive surface of the kilometers-long pipe, just dumping it uselessly into the higher, cooler parts of the Venusian atmosphere before it gets to your generator, is exactly the problem i was describing.
not an insurmountable problem. hell of a problem to surmount, though.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 07:58:55 UTC No. 16235907
>>16235905
The energy is inexhaustible so efficiency doesnt really matter. Were already doing it on earth, venus would be even easier since theres no drilling
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 08:28:58 UTC No. 16235937
>>16235907
On earth it travels 500m
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 08:31:32 UTC No. 16235941
>>16228621
>Venus rocket refueling
probably gonna want some kind of exclusively C/N/O based bipropellant, because those are all stupidly abundant in the Venusian atmosphere.
there's always the ol' dicyanoacetylene/ozone rocket for your "the engine has become a fuel additive" needs at a chilly flame temperature of >6000C, merely hotter than the surface of the sun.
the point is you can get some pretty energetic fuels without hydrogen (thank you, stupidly high stabilities of the dinitrogen triple bond + carbon-oxygen double bond, and your gaseous products). yes, it'll never have SI as good as a hydrogenated fuel, but there's so much energy available at Venus and so much fuel feedstock just floatin' around everywhere, lack of hydrogen doesn't strike me as a rocket fuel dealbreaker. you're gonna want to keep your hydrogen in closed loop systems as much as you can in a place like Venus - i imagine it would look a lot like what we sometimes do with helium
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 10:07:45 UTC No. 16236036
>>16206216
test
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 10:55:27 UTC No. 16236092
>>16235874
>and smashed them all together
>>16235799
>crash ceres into mars
All these fantasies of crashing together. W
hy no let them orbit around each other without photos and Deimos.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 11:29:35 UTC No. 16236125
>>16206216
You are simply Dead Wrong™ with Johan Norberg. One day Elon Musk will colonize Mars! The road there is long but worth it. And even if we don't succeed, it's worth it that we've dreamed about it for 40-50 years. Think of all the research you can do for SpaceX revenue. The million who colonize Mars are the winners leaving the rest of humanity behind, or the losers. They say Mars is unsuitable because it has no magnetic field & the atmosphere is thick enough to carry dust storms but too thin to protect against meteor impacts. To protect ourselves from that, we have to live underground. It's not that dangerous, it's like living in a mall. Another thing Elon Musk will arrange with his research is boy pregnancies. Then everyone, even MIGAs, will finally get their "trad wife".
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 11:30:35 UTC No. 16236127
>>16235874
>the larger rocky planets like Neptune and Uranus
Anon...
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 12:34:51 UTC No. 16236219
>>16236127
/sci/ in a nutshell
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 12:47:07 UTC No. 16236228
>>16206330
And how would this be done? By "terraforming"™?
Chris McKay estimates 100,000 years for a simple approach to reach a breathable atmosphere, Zubrin estimates it could be accomplished as quickly as 900 years in an "optimistic scenario", more complex approach, with mega-engineering (aka Star Trek fantasy bullshit) such as giant space mirrors to reflect more sunlight to Mars.
There is the danger of all the CO2 getting turned into limestone or other forms of calcite or similar minerals, and is permanently removed from the atmosphere and is extremely hard to release again, we don't even know how early Mars lost its atmosphere. Or a micro-organism or higher organism evolves on our transformed Mars which is either hazardous to humans, a disease or an allergen, or damaging to our crops or animals. Because of the lower gravity it needs about 3 times as much mass for the same atmospheric pressure, similarly needs three times the mass of oxygen per square meter for a breathable atmosphere, this might also cause issues for humans if they live there permanently.
Mars is further from the sun - so we just get about half the light we get here on Earth. It has also no continental drift, so long term it may lose all its atmosphere - on Earth the atmosphere is maintained long term by volcanic eruptions - which is also probably the main thing that got Earth out of its ice phases.
The planet has much less nitrogen than Earth, which is important in our atmosphere as a buffer (77% of the atmosphere), as well as needed by many plants. A CO2 atmosphere with no buffer is poisonous for humans even when it has enough oxygen to breathe. An almost pure oxygen atmosphere (as in spacesuits) is breathable, but hard to achieve biologically, is also flammable, and you get oxygen toxicity on long timescales for humans. Some compromise might work, using smaller amounts of nitrogen than for Earth, but this is not certain.
Humanity will die on this planet.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 15:26:22 UTC No. 16236388
>>16235804
that's great anon, but how the fuck do you move the heat like 10s of kilometers?
New Barkon at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 15:52:04 UTC No. 16236412
New Barkon at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 15:53:04 UTC No. 16236414
>>16236412
Just making sure the board is cleaned.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 16:42:51 UTC No. 16236477
>>16236388
Hmm it's definitely going to be some kind of tube
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 16:46:31 UTC No. 16236487
>>16236228
The pressure is already high enough in certain places for liquid water to form under the right conditions. Even a small increase in pressure will likely result in the creation of lakes.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 18:07:29 UTC No. 16236588
>>16236412
Finnish-Japanese new pact:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhj
https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/pro
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 18:16:04 UTC No. 16236596
>>16236487
Cool. And? How does this make it anymore likely that one day humans will settle on Mars?
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 18:44:14 UTC No. 16236635
>>16211470
OH WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE BACTERIA
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 21:10:45 UTC No. 16236845
>>16236635
Someone have already. And there are rules in place.
The only thing that realistically can reverse this, is if someone finds ancient ruins indicating a past with intelligent life.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 22:31:48 UTC No. 16236956
>>16236477
that's fucking ridiculous. Instead you could do something like a slocum glider, but like a balloon that repeated goes up and down using the temperature changes to cause changes in buoyancy. How you actually generate power with this is beyond me, but I think NASA made some floats like this that do this in the ocean. You could certainly use the up and down motion to move a filter through the air to do cloud harvesting. My autism demands that I watch anime right now, I'll dig out the VIRA tables later
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 23:08:33 UTC No. 16236992
>>16236845
we left poop on the moon
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 12:41:58 UTC No. 16237706
>>16236845
It would be easier to study potential life on Mars with a colony there.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 13:13:21 UTC No. 16237733
>>16236992
We never went to the moon.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 13:18:30 UTC No. 16237739
>>16228621
The Tardfucker has spoken!
All hail the mighty Tardfucker!
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 13:25:42 UTC No. 16237750
I say we round up all the people who think colonizing Mars is feasible and a good idea, give them all the resources they say they need, and send them off. The cost would be astronomical, but in the long run it would be worth it to just get rid of these mouth breathing worthless pieces of shit.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 18:05:27 UTC No. 16238062
>>16237750
Essentially, you are threatening with what people want.
And who will remain, telephone sanitizers?
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 18:34:26 UTC No. 16238103
>>16237750
the best part is:
>>16238062
they'll round themselves up for you
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 21:04:02 UTC No. 16238341
>>16206216
Yes, we know you're just mad that Mars didn't grow to be the same size as Earth. No, venting about it won't change anything.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 01:37:11 UTC No. 16238753
Do any pop-sci retards have a solution for Mars’ gravity problem? Permanently living in a place with only .38% gravity would be terrible for a persons health. It might even be impossible to reproduce on Mars since babies in the womb won’t develop properly.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 01:46:47 UTC No. 16238764
>>16238753
You take medications and wear weights distributed across your joints. If you can trick your body into thinking you're a 120lb woman you're golden.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 09:26:58 UTC No. 16239194
>>16238753
Centrifuges have been proposed for decades.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 12:48:17 UTC No. 16239372
>>16206308
holy fucking what
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:01:50 UTC No. 16239440
>>16238753
About gestation is probably possible instead, the biggest doubts are more about children growing up correctly after birth.
It's just doubts though, we have currently no real evidence about any of that.
>>16239194
An unrealistic solution doesn't improve with age.
If you need centrifuges you remain in space.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:10:12 UTC No. 16239447
>>16238753
>Permanently living in a place with only .38% gravity would be terrible for a persons health.
only for earther shitters, their place is somewhere else. The planet where they get raped and extorted by jewish pedophiles, Klaus Schwabb young leaders and Biden's homosexuals.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:32:10 UTC No. 16239473
>>16238753
1 hour 14.88 g sessions every day.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:37:55 UTC No. 16239479
>>16238753
Hell even a slight decrease or increase in gravity by a few percent up or down would have major long term health implications. Given that humans are only adjusted to live on Earth, I guess it does make sense where the rotating space habitat proponents come from.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:54:33 UTC No. 16239494
>>16239440
Have there been experiments on gestation in mice on the ISS?
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:08:47 UTC No. 16239503
>>16238753
pure speculation based on nothing whatsoever
this is no different to the idea that steam trains go too fast and would damage uteruses, cause blindness and/or madness by rapid change of visual stimuli, if not straight up liquefy occupants by going over 100mph
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:12:46 UTC No. 16239506
>>16239494
yes
the did not report any difference between 1g and 0g
New Barkon at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:58:49 UTC No. 16239549
>>16239506
I promise you prosperity. Read my Twitter for more like this @ WorldofVard. To be updated tonight.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 19:30:14 UTC No. 16239842
>>16227827
yeah, until its government imports muslim immigrants for "more diversity" and they blow up some vital system of the ship
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 19:32:45 UTC No. 16239848
>>16228217
V-Venus chan??? what are you doing???
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 20:04:32 UTC No. 16239903
>>16239842
I think you misunderstood
A single family owns an entire ship
There are no immigrants, just a billion micro ring worlds scattered across the solar system
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 22:11:22 UTC No. 16240047
>>16239440
>An unrealistic solution doesn't improve with age.
You fail to point out why this is unrealistic.
>If you need centrifuges you remain in space.
Here you just fail.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 22:52:02 UTC No. 16240100
>>16206499
that's hot
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 22:53:13 UTC No. 16240103
>>16226492
obviously he was talking about planets other than Earth, retard
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 23:27:16 UTC No. 16240158
>>16239848
>>16227753
Now that more hotter
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 01:53:07 UTC No. 16240368
>>16239903
>just a billion micro ring worlds scattered across the solar system
what would ring wars look like?
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 16:55:06 UTC No. 16241252
>>16206237
Bet Jeff Bezos next business is hydrogen vehicle, competition against Tesla
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 17:03:23 UTC No. 16241266
>>16241252
Oh from your lips to God's ears.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 20:15:21 UTC No. 16241514
>>16206216
People want to go to Mars because it's a good place to attempt terraforming research projects dumbass.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 20:32:36 UTC No. 16241543
>>16241514
Terraforming is a syfy meme.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 21:57:02 UTC No. 16241674
>>16241543
One word. Fungus. Actually maybe three words. Genetically engineered fungus.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:08:56 UTC No. 16241695
>>16241674
One word: pressure. Not enough pressure.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:34:36 UTC No. 16241729
>>16241695
Idk man, I'm just one guy. AI and a group of genius scientists using their brain cycles could figure something out given enough time.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:14:14 UTC No. 16241787
>>16241514
>terraforming research projects
You know that's basically entirely doable by planetary systems modeling, right? The basic chemistries necessary don't require on-location experimental research, we can test them in any laboratory. The only part of terraforming 'research' that might necessitate on-location infrastructure is prospecting, and even then you can use probes.
Besides, the actual best place for a test run is Venus - it's substantially out of thermal equilibrium already, providing an energetically favorable path towards modification to more livable temperatures (that's why solar shades alone would cause such a massive effect). The lack of hydrogen and magnetic field are the biggest problems, but they're both possible to remedy even in worst-case scenarios for local resource availability (i.e. assuming zero remaining mineral hydrates, including hydroxylated minerals).
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:24:33 UTC No. 16241808
>>16241787
You can't dump all the CO2 from Venus, it has nowhere to go
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 23:55:30 UTC No. 16241850
>>16241808
You don't dump it, you sequester it. The only thing you might actually need to dump is oxygen.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:54:44 UTC No. 16242321
>>16210028
Well the most compelling reason to have colonies in space beyond research would be extracting elements that are rare in earths crust and dropping them to earth. A lot of shit would be harder in space, but all you need is the ability to purify whatever you are mining enough so it is economic to ship, likely with electrolysis since nuclear power and solar energy is super easy to do in space. Speaking of this, launch costs will likely stay expensive, so if manufacturing solar panels in space proves to be cheaper per kilogram of panel than launching them from earth, asteroid mining could support orbital solar power which is pretty neat.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:51:39 UTC No. 16242776
>>16241808
Re-converted into oxygen & ammonia, ship it to Mars
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:57:29 UTC No. 16242782
>>16241674
>There is no evidence that fungi or any other form of life exists on Mars. While some types of microbe, like the black mold fungus, might be able to survive on the Red Planet's surface for a substantial timeframe, it is not clear whether fungi are already alive, well, and thriving on Mars. A research paper uploaded to ResearchGate implied that Mars provides an environment in which fungi could thrive, but this does not mean that fungi are actually growing on Mars.
Anon-kun…
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 05:07:19 UTC No. 16243644
>>16242782
NTA, and terraforming is a meme and a waste of time, but lichen have been shown to be capable of surviving in the vacuum of space, let alone in simulated marslike conditions.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 13:39:57 UTC No. 16244086
>>16241674
Fungus can't turn rock to air. Terraforming's a meme
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 18:27:35 UTC No. 16244375
>>16206216
>rubber or plastic
Mars is still easy mode for those thanks to the CO2 atmosphere and huge water deposits. You will already be processing them to make methane and oxygen. Now try doing it on the Moon.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 21:30:15 UTC No. 16244599
>>16227827
Why would that future ever be provided for you?
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 21:33:44 UTC No. 16244601
>>16228217
Dumb idiot doesn't realize these figures are what happens when you have a point of a sphere rolling around another sphere.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 21:56:23 UTC No. 16244629
>>16244086
Carbonate rocks an in fact turn into air
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 22:34:22 UTC No. 16244681
>>16244601
Autists have a difficult time understanding dry humor.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 22:38:30 UTC No. 16244687
>>16244681
>Act like literally every mentally ill /x/phile
>"Bro it was obviously dry humor what r u autistic."
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 22:52:40 UTC No. 16244713
>>16244687
>still unable to distinguish between obvious sarcasm and literal expression of beliefs
>still doesn't realize 95%+ of /x/ is LARP
pretty clearly autistic
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:10:53 UTC No. 16244745
>>16244713
There's nothing obviously pointing to it being a joke when many people sincerely believe that stuff, you didn't say anything they don't believe or use any hyperbole that would suggest lampshading.
>95%+ of /x/ is LARP
Bullshit, if you actually believe this you're a rube.
But if it were true that would be endlessly more pathetic than genuine schizos.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:14:53 UTC No. 16244751
>>16244745
anon you're literally incapable of discerning tone. this is fucking textbook autism.
>that would be endlessly more pathetic
what delusions are you under that would lead to the conclusion /x/ ISN'T endlessly pathetic? about the only thing it has going for it is not being /pol/, /b/, or /r9k/
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:18:07 UTC No. 16244758
>>16244745
Beep boop, there is no evidence of joking here, beep boop
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:29:12 UTC No. 16244775
>>16244751
Or maybe your jokes aren't as obvious as you think.
I literally have family that believe lizard people control the world.
All the Saturn black cube/ sacred geometry shit anons post is genuine, just because you think "oh yeah all these people are just playing a decades long joke to nobody" doesn't mean it's true.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 00:12:27 UTC No. 16244841
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 01:18:42 UTC No. 16244928
>>16206216
Better than Earth by virtue of having no horrid humans on it, but that's about it. Entire galaxy is honestly kind of worthless
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 06:44:33 UTC No. 16245191
>>16206666
Godlike
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 16:43:48 UTC No. 16245865
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 16:59:47 UTC No. 16245895
>>16206676
>just live in the inner earth bro
>just live in Agartha with the breakaway Nazis bro
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 17:18:28 UTC No. 16245923
>>16206216
Fuck huge rotating cylinders in space would unironically be more comfortable more hospitable and safer than living in Mars.(Better gravity, better radiation shielding and no meteors constantly smashing the colony from the nearby asteroid belt)
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 17:39:16 UTC No. 16245956
>>16208783
>Like Europa
Jupiter's magnetic field is like nuclear levels of insane. Enjoy your radiation AIDS and third eye growing on your balls.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 18:10:18 UTC No. 16246013
>>16206216
How do you know there isn't oil on Mars?
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 07:37:30 UTC No. 16247059
>>16238753
>Permanently living in a place with only .38% gravity would be terrible for a persons health.
Why exactly?
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 12:28:50 UTC No. 16247312
>>16247059
Everything to toxic soil and airless dust storm
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 12:50:20 UTC No. 16247332
>>16206216
Mars should only be a resource planet, I would hate for humans having to suffer seeing orange dogshit all their lives, especially mars born human and the discrimination they'll face anyways for not being born on earth
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 13:01:58 UTC No. 16247354
>>16247059
musculoskeletal degeneration
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 15:08:06 UTC No. 16247508
>>16247332
Hey, at least got underground hydrogen tanker for fuel business
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:11:15 UTC No. 16249180
>>16210020
Now we need bigger moxie converting H2
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 23:15:52 UTC No. 16250031
>>16206237
What in the fuck? Is this bait? Mars is not a moon of Saturn, Mars is its own planet with its own separate orbit, and Saturn does not emit light and cannot function as a sun
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 23:17:34 UTC No. 16250034
>>16206216
>No you can't just shit in the dead martian dust and grow potatoes
This is true but it wasn't known yet when The Martian was made. The toxic perchlorate content of Mars' soil was discovered later
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 00:31:50 UTC No. 16250102
>>16206425
Jover>>16250034
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 00:36:52 UTC No. 16250107
>>16250034
>nobody ever talks about how much perchlorates want to get rid of those extra oxygen atoms all grabbing electrons off the chlorine
>like, explosively so
>they fucking love to decompose
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 01:33:56 UTC No. 16250163
>>16244841
Ammonia carrier of fuel cell/IC engine
https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/art
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 14:53:37 UTC No. 16250889
Ballin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_On
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:26:55 UTC No. 16250992
>>16234634
>Obviously not true.
Whatever tech we use needing gravity, would be obsolete in 0G and likely greatly handicapped on an asteroid with like 0.02% Earth gravity.
Of course, we can develop tech that does not rely on significant gravity. But that is an additional demand that has just been introduced, instead of posing no additional demands like with the Martian option.
>About heat you can use water, abundant for example on ceres.
Good answer. Ceres could of course also be a good location for industry. But I don't think it will ever attract a human settler, unlike Mars could. Reasons are as pseudo-trivial as Mars offering sunrises and a bright sky, while with Ceres there is no perceptual difference from just inhabiting open space (besides grav).
>For the record mars atmosphere at such low pressure isn't that great either, radiators would need to be large anyway if you want to use that.
As the head honcho says, the best part is no part. Early industry will profit greatly from one giant headache (heat) being downgraded to a small headache or even just minor consideration, like the aid of 1% atmosphere does.
>>16242321
Non-local resource extraction is a very involved process. At the minimum at the start of space colonization, all the resources will be extracted locally. Waiting for asteroid mining is a fool's errand when you could just start a low-tech iron mine (pressurized as well, so you don't even need to have some spacesuit. You can LARP like it's 1899 as a miner with a pickaxe) on Mars.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 17:22:56 UTC No. 16251089
>>16250889
EV company gonna get dunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gA