Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 17:49:30 UTC No. 16210088

>>16210085
probably encoded as plaintext but with gorrillion backups on a drive deep undrrground with antiradiation shields

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 17:52:11 UTC No. 16210094

Fucking zoomers I swear
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 17:54:23 UTC No. 16210100

>>16210088
>>16210094
>needing other devices to read the text
shit implementation. good old fashioned stone is what OPs looking for,

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 17:58:06 UTC No. 16210103

>>16210100
The technology I linked literally writes data into stone and it can do 300+TB instead of 10 measly pages

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 18:00:37 UTC No. 16210106

>>16210103
you missed the point entirely. you are presuming whatever lifeform reads it in 1 billion years is way more advanced than we are, what if the Earth resets and its a caveman whos got your disc, how the fuck is he going to read it?

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 18:05:47 UTC No. 16210113

>>16210106
Who gives a shit, let them make their own literature

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 18:19:29 UTC No. 16210135

>>16210085
well, the problem is that plate tectonics will likely destroy whatever you try to store in the solid earth itself. Plate tectonics will one day eventually stop, but until then, nothing is guaranteed to last that long.

the best way would be to etch that information into gold, and set it on a stable orbit that would not degrade within that time frame
pic related

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 18:20:31 UTC No. 16210139

>>16210100
>stone
see
>>16210135

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 18:30:55 UTC No. 16210163

>>16210094
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage
nice, very nice, was not aware. Thank you.
I will update my answer here
>>16210135
to that one type of storage medium as an option to gold, in a stable orbit, etc
Nonetheless, it if requires fancy technology to read, it is not guaranteed to be interpretable or even discoverable (if it is microscopic in nature), by those in the future.

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 18:35:22 UTC No. 16210174

>>16210088
Would be nice to be able mass produce it so I can make tons of backups but is an antiradiation shield really necessary if you place it underground?

>>16210094
Looks interesting but seems to be too hard to make for an ordinary person and there is also the question if and how it could resist geological activities.

>>16210100
>>16210135
But which stone/metal is the best for it and where to place it so it wont get destroyed by plate tectonics? I cant place it in orbit I am too poor for that.

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 18:48:49 UTC No. 16210195

gold or some other metal

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 19:28:55 UTC No. 16210246

>>16210174
>But which stone/metal is the best for it and where to place it so it wont get destroyed by plate tectonics? I cant place it in orbit I am too poor for that.
I'd bet on diamonds, they can't get crushed, they are mostly chemically inert, and only truly react with hot concentrated sulfuric or chromic acids, but you'd have to guarantee they'd not get subducted into the core/mantle boundary where they'd get crushed, not to mention, likely forever irretrievable, unless a deep-mantle hotspot ever spits it out again through a volcano, and there's no guarantee to avoid any of such outcomes in 1B years.
You see, in 1B years, several supercontinents have formed and broken apart, entire tectonic plates have been destroyed, crushed, eroded, buried, oceans have formed and closed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6bWbDl2ItM

Even if you dig a deep well and leave it in there, it might eventually get exposed to erosion due to all types of processes, and eventually find its way to the bottom of an ocean, and if that oceanic plate gets subducted into the mantle, it can drag ocean bottom sediments with it, and there goes your diamond.

Additionally, cosmic says that slowly destroy the crystal lattice of the diamond, so not even when buried it is safe.
1 000 000 is a long, long time. As an analogy: if 1 mm were to be a year, that's 1 000 km away, lol

There is one crazy possibility though:
Encoding the message as a laser beam, and shoot it tangentially to a black hole, so that it'll go on a journey of 500 million years there, and another like it back. If anyone has a detector in that far future, maybe they're receive the signal.

Nice question anon, that made me use my imagination!

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 19:29:55 UTC No. 16210250

>>16210246
>they can't get crushed,
near the surface or upper mantle, sorry

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 19:30:59 UTC No. 16210252

>>16210246
>cosmic rays
typo

🗑️ Barkon. at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 19:35:53 UTC No. 16210262

>>16210252
I'll like to see you make me give up

🗑️ Barkon. at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 19:37:28 UTC No. 16210266

>>16210252
I'll buy this out in a moment.

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 19:42:05 UTC No. 16210271

>>16210085
create another big bang from the 10 pages so the text can be decoded from the cosmic background radiation.

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 19:50:04 UTC No. 16210283

>>16210085
Etch it onto piece of titanium, launch in orbit around the sun

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:04:01 UTC No. 16210310

>>16210088
>gorrillion
go back

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:05:25 UTC No. 16210314

>>16210283
An orbit in the asteroid belt to make sure it doesn't get swallowed when the Sun goes red giant.

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:20:27 UTC No. 16210352

>>16210246
>I'd bet on diamonds, they can't get crushed, they are mostly chemically inert, and only truly react with hot concentrated sulfuric or chromic acids, but you'd have to guarantee they'd not get subducted into the core/mantle boundary where they'd get crushed, not to mention, likely forever irretrievable, unless a deep-mantle hotspot ever spits it out again through a volcano, and there's no guarantee to avoid any of such outcomes in 1B years.

Maybe one could mass produce small synthetic diamonds each with an index and some information and then spread them at places which are projected to stay as geological inactive as possible and maybe in a billion years some future geologists will find a layer with those synthetic diamonds and collect them and put the informations together but I guess to really have a chance for it to be found you need to produce them in an industrial scale and thats beyond my means.

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:55:28 UTC No. 16210415

>>16210085
I would write them down on a paper, throw in a plastic box and then into larger titanium box. In many copies because that greatly improves the chance it will surivive.

With unlimited budget I would also put some on the surface of the moon and at Lagrange points.

Surface of Pluto sounds like a solid freezer but the challenge of putting it there is great, not to mention retrieving it back.

Sending the data into deep space as light signals might give it extremely long life, but retrieving that data is basically impossible unless we invent FTL.

Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jun 2024 23:45:02 UTC No. 16210717

>>16210085
You archive information by using the human copy machine and indoctrinating the children.
>god damn fucking materialists

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 04:17:42 UTC No. 16211048

>>16210085
How do you preserve the language? It will be unreadable if the language gets lost.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 04:54:19 UTC No. 16211076

>>16211048
A well-thought-through pictograms may work.
Only if you preface thetext with translation of each complicated pictogram into several more simple ones.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 05:26:18 UTC No. 16211113

>>16210085
the answer is right in your pic related, OP, just write it in seaweed

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 06:18:41 UTC No. 16211136

>>16210085
Engrave the text on a tungsten plate (a large one, so you get very large letters). make dozens of backups, and place said backups on orbits or celestial bodies which have the best chance of staying around unchanged
One of them ought to remain intact

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 06:21:30 UTC No. 16211137

>>16211136
He asked it to be readable. You cannot read it if it's that far away nobody knows where.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 06:28:45 UTC No. 16211139

>>16211137
Cpuldn't a sufficiently advanced civilization find a block of tungsten on the surface of the moon using a orbiter with spectrometer, and later retrieving it?

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 06:49:49 UTC No. 16211150

>>16211139
Nobody said anything about advanced civilization. Why would they want to read something an ape could write?

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 06:54:11 UTC No. 16211152

>>16210085
Stick in the glove box of Elon Musk's roadster before he launches it into solar orbit

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 07:07:02 UTC No. 16211158

>>16210352
Betting on redundancy would be smart yes.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 08:32:38 UTC No. 16211214

>>16210085
Create a crystal lattice in which silicon atoms represent "1" and carbon atoms represent "0". Reading and writing are exercises for the reader/writer.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 11:59:25 UTC No. 16211375

>>16210135
So you saying
Cave painting on moon?

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 15:24:25 UTC No. 16211872

Fuck huge drawing on the surface of a dead planetoid far from the sun.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 15:28:59 UTC No. 16211887

I swore I would never reveal this information.
Laser etch on stainless metal

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 17:40:55 UTC No. 16212083

>>16210085
Saw some quarts disk having lasers burn tiny spheres in it allowing formation of an image or data. Thought I bookmarked it but cant find it now.
Guess it didn't go anywhere and also heard it mightve been a scam.
Claim is that it'd last billions of years provided you don't throw it a wall or put it in HF acid.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 17:43:46 UTC No. 16212088

>>16212083
ah nevermind it's already been mentioned >>16210094. I remember the term "femtosecond laser writing" so i guess this is it. Still wonder what happened since.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 17:47:36 UTC No. 16212092

>>16210174
>but seems to be too hard to make for an ordinary person
Same's the case for the silicon chips running your computer. If this tech isn't nonsense I can see writing machines becoming affordable at some point.

I think the major advantage of this storage could be the potential to make a less information dense version manually readable by microscope: use the laser to literally write text down. Then some guy with an 18th century tech microscope can perfectly easily read and transcribe the information stored.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 17:52:36 UTC No. 16212100

>>16210246
>Encoding the message as a laser beam, and shoot it tangentially to a black hole, so that it'll go on a journey of 500 million years there, and another like it back. If anyone has a detector in that far future, maybe they're receive the signal.
no one liked this idea eh?

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 18:22:47 UTC No. 16212137

>>16210085
Diamonds are not stable in the atmospheric conditions they will just decay into graphite or similar carbon sheit.

I heard that some zircons from Australia that are the same for bilions of years. Maybe you can etch some of your memes into one zircon crystal or do some photon induced inclusions in the crystal structure.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 19:30:27 UTC No. 16212221

NoobAnon here, colorpill me on this:

Am I paranoid or we cannot even backup efficiently our own information today?

DVD and Bluray discs are dead, so we don't have a stable 'passive' way to record info.
And yes I know we have USB and external drives, but AFAIK the info is not permanently 'etched' like on the surface of a DVD and without a power source the files can be corrupted over time. You can have Blu-rays stored for decades but I don't know if a USB or external drive can be stored that long and still be readable afterwards.

I just don't trust on cloud storing or just getting bigger storage on a computer as viable ways of preserving knowledge for long periods. The Internet Archive had a DDOS attack just a few days ago, and is under siege from corporations too.
It's a grim situation.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 19:58:32 UTC No. 16212261

>>16212221
Don't worry about it. Civilization collapses in a cycle in response to the genetics of the population. Some tech will surivive the upcoming dark ages (<300 years away), lasting to the next renaissance/roman republic. Hopefully the next great civilization will be able to use this tech to enact a eugenics program before it's too late (we tried at the end of the 19th century but were taken over by dysgenic communist ideology. Romans understood the problem but similarly couldn't raise the resources to fight the problem).

Once we've got eugenics sorted (probably via free market genetic engineering) we'll be able to re-invent any lost tech of value. So there's not to great a need for long term archiving.
That being said I wonder if an archive, if opened at the proper time of a civilizations development (early industrial revolution?) that it might fast track tech to reach useful technology for the task of eugenics (computers + genetic engineering), before the dysgenic effects of technology can begin eroding the population's genetics in full force.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 20:46:51 UTC No. 16212368

Step
1: Get rich.
2. Buy gold.
3. Press the gold into a load of sturdy metal plates.
4. Engrave your writing on the plates. Adjust the size of the font according to desired data density (and amount of available gold plates). If necessary also place several thousand magnifying devices (non-electronic) in the cache.
5. (Optional): try to provide a key how to decipher the language written on the gold plates. You can bootstrap arithmetic trivially, e.g. 3 dots will never, in no place in the universe, not equal to the symbol "3" as a first assumption. If you place them next to each and then some distance away from it 6 dots, the ayylien will figure out the symbols + and =, and so on.
>>16210088
This one's not so bright.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 20:46:53 UTC No. 16212369

>>16212261
Its a spiral, not a circle.

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 20:47:53 UTC No. 16212372

>>16210085
If evolution is real why are there not half humans running around

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 20:56:02 UTC No. 16212397

>>16210085
DNA

Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jun 2024 21:53:14 UTC No. 16212519

>>16212369
I already mentioned that some tech remains each cycle. Trying to act smart adds nothing to the discussion.

Anonymous at Thu, 6 Jun 2024 15:20:26 UTC No. 16216534

>>16210085
Write it like this using rocks on the moon surface. If you write the letters big enough you won't even need a telescope to see it from the Earth

>B-but writing muh 10 pages like that would take an eternity
Anything worth being remembered can fit in 140 characters.