🧵 Freeman Dyson says global warming is fake
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 19:44:12 UTC No. 16236727
Renown astrophsycist & mathematician Freeman Dyson was certain that global warming is fake. Dyson's resumé is impeccable, a professor at The Institute for Advanced Study, noteworthy and important contributions to number theory, quantum mechanics, nuclear power as well as climate science, which he studied and contributed to for half a century
Here's a video of him saying global warming is fake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mm
Here he is saying its fake in writing
https://www.edge.org/conversation/h
>My first heresy says that all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am opposing the holy brotherhood of climate model experts and the crowd of deluded citizens who believe the numbers predicted by the computer models. Of course, they say, I have no degree in meteorology and I am therefore not qualified to speak. But I have studied the climate models and I know what they can do. The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics, and they do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests. They do not begin to describe the real world that we live in. The real world is muddy and messy and full of things that we do not yet understand. It is much easier for a scientist to sit in an air-conditioned building and run computer models, than to put on winter clothes and measure what is really happening outside in the swamps and the clouds. That is why the climate model experts end up believing their own models.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 19:46:29 UTC No. 16236732
>>16236727
He should go back to writing sci fi
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 19:47:19 UTC No. 16236734
>>16236727
Give me a chart of the solar cycle and it's temperature output, then give me a chart of the earths EM field cycle
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 20:11:19 UTC No. 16236757
>Freeman Dyson says
I have bad news for you anon.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Jun 2024 20:42:20 UTC No. 16236808
>>16236727
Do we trust scientists or not? /pol/ said not to trust them
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 07:58:44 UTC No. 16237507
>dyson spheres man says global warming is fake
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 08:18:44 UTC No. 16237525
>>16236727
>My first heresy says that all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated.
>exaggerated
An exaggeration isn't "fake", anon. Read your own text, please.
Also:
>"my objections to the global warming propaganda are not so much over the technical facts, about which I do not know much, but it's rather against the way those people behave and the kind of intolerance to criticism that a lot of them have."
Dyson, 2009
Looks like not only was he ignorant about the actual processes of global warming, he was also ignorant about the ecosystems and how they respond to CO2, and he had a problem with the rhetoric, that's a fair one.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 20:29:51 UTC No. 16238276
>>16236727
If Freeman Dyson says its fake then it probably is, he sure as hell knows a lot more about science than Greta, who never even graduated from high school, or Al Gore, who has a degree from a law school and never studied or worked in STEM.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 21:12:53 UTC No. 16238362
>>16238276
Freeman Dyson is not government accredited mainstream environment and climate scientist bigot.
DoctorGreen !DRgReeNusk at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 21:15:18 UTC No. 16238368
>>16236727
>They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests
If this true then of course. you don't need anyone to tell you how retarded those using that model are
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 18:57:57 UTC No. 16239786
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 06:26:42 UTC No. 16240634
>>16238362
He was in fact. He was a major player in the early days of climate science back in the 70s & 80s
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:12:55 UTC No. 16242289
heres another video of him saying its fake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTS
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:41:15 UTC No. 16242309
>>16238276
He isn't perfect, he was a smart guy but that doesn't mean everything he ever said was correct. He was a physicist not a meteorologist or anything, so his opinions on global warming weren't part of his professional life.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:27:16 UTC No. 16242343
>>16239786
>it’s written in the computer language FORTRAN. This was an excellent choice in 1983 when the model was born, but is a horrible language for 2023.
>the FORTRAN code itself has reached 441,668 lines of code. As a result, it can only run on a supercomputer.
What a retard
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:37:05 UTC No. 16242351
>>16238276
>If Freeman Dyson says its fake then it probably is
If Newton said Alchemy is real then it probably is
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 12:33:26 UTC No. 16242550
>>16236808
Understand the difference between a prior and a posterior
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 12:34:26 UTC No. 16242552
>>16236727
okay boomer
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:07:20 UTC No. 16242708
>>16242309
physicist > meteorologist on all topics
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:13:06 UTC No. 16242718
>>16238276
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:20:48 UTC No. 16242729
>>16242708
Are you dumb? Dyson himself admitted he knew very little regarding the actual technical facts of climate science. That should be the end of the story.
If you dont know anything then dont say anything at all, but Nobel winners get a little self absorbed. He's not an authority on the subject, and hell he's not even a climate scientist.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:21:49 UTC No. 16242732
>>16236727
I worked on indoor climate modelling for a while and I think climate change is fake as fuck. Will I say it's fake. No way, there isnt an upside for me in doing so, only downsides.
It's a cult and a business that needs flows of money invested in to scare society to invest even more into those models.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:30:14 UTC No. 16242746
If climate change is such a dead or alive issue why the fuck are the most avid climate change feamongers also the most antinuclear? The bullshit arguement is safety, which is nonsenses. The next is cost, which is also bullshit because nuclear being expensive is 100% regulatory and policy issues, nothing else. It's just a business and there are plenty of money involved in it. They dont really want to solve the climate change issue because they would be out of a job. They want climate change keep happening so they can scare you to give them even more money.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:34:35 UTC No. 16242753
>>16242746
It sounds like you hate climate scientists more than you actually like discussing science.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 18:56:15 UTC No. 16242954
>>16242729
>Dyson himself admitted he knew very little
Meteorologists and climate "scientists" know even less.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 19:18:23 UTC No. 16242982
>>16236727
Shill thread
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 20:30:17 UTC No. 16243088
>>16242753
sounds like you're part of the climate change industrial complex, shill.
>>16242729
imagine thinking Dyson doesn't know what you troons are upto.
even I can read and understand climate change model materials and I didn't even do a PhD in physics. they don't require high IQ to go through, just a lot of lengthy crap, chud. Dyson probably breezed thru the papers on a weekend or something.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 21:04:40 UTC No. 16243143
>>16236727
Okay then Freeman Dyson is a retard, who cares what some boomer tard thinks?
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 21:09:48 UTC No. 16243150
>>1623672
>guy literally admits "I do not know much" about the technical facts of climate change
4chan anons:
>OMG THIS GUY KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE
>SO BASED AND REDPILLED!!1!
This is why no one takes you seriously.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 21:27:02 UTC No. 16243172
>>16243150
>I hate 4chan and everyone who posts on 4chan
why are you even here?
certainly its not to be a good contributor to the site
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 22:38:22 UTC No. 16243259
>>16243255
Poo
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 22:40:38 UTC No. 16243261
>>16243259
Block it.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 22:50:07 UTC No. 16243271
>>16243255
>[commonly accepted thing from field Y] is bullshit
many such cases, do you want me to list them for you or you retard can just go to the catalog of this board and look up a bit for yourself?
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 23:25:56 UTC No. 16243322
According to the retards in this thread, unless you have a PhD in transgender science, gender studies, alzheimer treatment, room temperature conductor, or parapsychology..., you can't call them bullshit.
it's the logic of the midwits, everything has to follow consensus because they have nothing else to rely on, except for consensus. they can't never imagine using their own brain to understand, or to form their thinkings and conclusion. this is because they're midwits. they are smart enough to read and copy from the other people in their field, but not smart enough to do anything else. this is the reason why they're the most ardant defender of the bullshit in science nowaday, because with the system to parasite on, they wouldn't know to do anything else to survive.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 23:28:57 UTC No. 16243325
>>16243322
You're not even a midwit you're just retarded. Go back to Africa.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 23:31:42 UTC No. 16243329
>>16243325
nice argument there, subhuman monkey. I accept your concession.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 23:33:56 UTC No. 16243335
>>16243329
>literal congoloid flat earther calling me a monkey
We really do live in clownworld
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 23:35:42 UTC No. 16243338
>>16243335
speak for yourself, subhuman monkey. you can live in your fantasy world thinking you're better than a maggot leeching other people off, but you're still a subhuman monkey.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 23:36:06 UTC No. 16243341
>>16243338
How much do you get paid an hour?
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 00:07:59 UTC No. 16243379
>>16243322
He can, it's just that his opinion is worth as much as anyone else's if he's not working in a relevant field
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 07:10:39 UTC No. 16243756
Dyson sphere when? They already found 53 alien Dyson spheres so we might as well start building our own.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 05:00:56 UTC No. 16245099
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 05:24:19 UTC No. 16245124
>>16243088
>even I can read and understand climate change model materials
I call absolute fucking bullshit on this
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 06:01:43 UTC No. 16245155
>>16245099
>i have no argument
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:51:55 UTC No. 16245560
>>16238276
Logical fallacy.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:10:39 UTC No. 16245580
>>16243756
>They already found 53 alien Dyson spheres
imagine believing this lmao
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 14:10:54 UTC No. 16245655
>>16245560
the opposite, trust the climate experts or thunberg is also a logical fallacy. there's no logical reason to for the large extent of fearmongering about global warming, coming from thunberg or climate experts.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 16:09:18 UTC No. 16245809
>>16245655
>there's no logical reason to for the large extent of fearmongering about cancer, coming from oncologists
>there's no logical reason to for the large extent of fearmongering about niggers, coming from rightwingers
>there's no logical reason to for the large extent of fearmongering about Boing, coming from engineers.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 18:03:53 UTC No. 16246001
>>16238276
>false alternative fallacy
>appeal to authority fallacy
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 18:04:54 UTC No. 16246004
>>16240634
>back in the 70s & 80s
oh dear, that was so long ago, kek. My smartphone runs laps around the supercomputers from back then.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 18:05:55 UTC No. 16246005
>>16242982
yep, troll thread. There's a little downarrow on there for that.
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 07:49:27 UTC No. 16247070
>>16246004
They still use the same old code from back then, written for the 1977 version of Fortran.
In the 70s & 80s the field was known as atmospheric physics, it was much more intellectually rigorous. About 30 years ago it was branched off from physics into climate science and dumbed down in order to allow environmental activists who were too dumb to learn calculus to participate. Thats probably why they still use the same old Fortran code, because the people around today are too ignorant of physics and math to develop their own software.
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 08:20:06 UTC No. 16247093
>>16236727
Freeman Dyson was a bit of a meek so Feynman had to drag him to brothels and road trips
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 21:57:35 UTC No. 16248250
>>16247070
>the 1977 version of Fortran
timeless classic.
i have never seen anyone ever use the object oriented upgrade version
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 01:15:39 UTC No. 16248561
>>16242732
Using computer models to simulate complex, chaotic, feedback-driven systems, feeding them less than perfectly accurate initial data, and expecting them to accurately predict the future beyond maybe a few days is fundamentally ignorant.
Spending trillions based on said models.Is fundamentally stupid.
bodhi at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:40:22 UTC No. 16249033
>>16236727
I have been telling the retards here for a decade that "climate science" is literally just computer models that have never made a single accurate prediction
bodhi at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:43:44 UTC No. 16249040
>>16245809
>>there's no logical reason to for the large extent of fearmongering about niggers, coming from rightwingers
that's where your wrong kiddo
bodhi at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:46:46 UTC No. 16249041
>>16243255
>commonly accepted
should have been your first clue. most people are morons who have no idea what they are talking about, this board is the perfect microcosm to teach you this
bodhi at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:48:32 UTC No. 16249042
>>16242351
unironically true
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:58:26 UTC No. 16249046
Climate change is an outdated issue anyway because we're already transitioning to clean energy and AI will help us quickly finish that transition.
The issue is being kept alive because it has become an industry, a subculture, and political cudgel.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:04:13 UTC No. 16249169
>>16236732
Lol, sleeple ((You)) will literally never wake up.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 06:41:30 UTC No. 16250440
>>16249046
>clean energy
it kills life and produces mountains of toxic waste, rereleasing naturally stored CO2 creates life and makes the environment healthier
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 08:18:07 UTC No. 16250501
>>16249169
>Lol, Dyson will literally never wake up.
FTFY
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 20:48:14 UTC No. 16251527
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 22:52:00 UTC No. 16251805
>>16236727
I knew it all along
The weather scientists cant predict if it's going to rain two days from now and they're telling me the entire fucking planet is warming and will get hotter years from now, despute still snowing in deserts?
It was all bullshit
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 22:58:41 UTC No. 16251815
>>16242718
a cope to enforce the status quo after nobel prizes began noticing too much
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 00:10:16 UTC No. 16251918
>>16242718
Nobel Disease: when establishment loses its mind that not everyone will hold the party line - and then gets repeatedly BTFO by people after claiming they are schizo.
4chan would be a lot less interesting place if libshits weren't corralling everyone.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 00:43:10 UTC No. 16251950
>>16236727
ITT: actual glowies to "nudge" you into believing in man made climate change. And the holohoax if they can squeeze it in.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 06:02:19 UTC No. 16252233
>>16236727
>Renown astrophsycist
things that native speakers who dare call everyone else an ESL cannot master:
+singular vs plural ("a women")
+"of" vs "have"
+and now the past participle.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 07:53:05 UTC No. 16252342
>>16251527
According to the same paper, the average temperature trend is very much upward, especially for high-quality stations.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 19:36:34 UTC No. 16253297
>>16252342
nope
read it again
https://heartland.org/wp-content/up
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 21:52:19 UTC No. 16253693
>>16253297
>muh think tank slop
Both figures are from Fall et al (2011).
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:13:22 UTC No. 16255279
>>16236727
I ain't trustin' no nigga that wanted to launch a nuclear bomb rocket from Cape Canaveral.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:24:00 UTC No. 16255546
>>16253297
>>16253693
>heartland
Why even pretend you aren't a shill? You even tried to head off criticism because you know it's a bad, disingenuous source. I hope they at least pay you well.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 12:07:40 UTC No. 16256492
>>16255546
I directly addressed the report's source, and posted temperature trends from that source. I understand having a skeptical attitude toward think tank content may sound foreign to you, but you don't need to get angry
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 17:28:30 UTC No. 16256857
>>16255546
>noooo you can't use information from sources outside of my preselected list of sources that I know will always be friendly to my political biased views on science
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 19:55:29 UTC No. 16257132
>>16236732
>cube worshipper is jealous of the freeman's sphere
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:02:07 UTC No. 16257140
>>16236727
Dyson was a quack
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:02:58 UTC No. 16257143
>>16255546
Ok. I hope I see no more IPCC, or prominent climate scientists as they are obviously biased towards ACC. We want the most bias free sources, and thus I propose asking the drunk lad from the pub for the most proper opinion on this topic.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:34:09 UTC No. 16257290
Those shitty climate models are fake and gay. Their only purpose is to funnel money to the frauds who cry the global warming wolves. Pic related.
When your climate model tells you that the temperapture is a 5 standard deviation event every day for more than half a year, the logical reasoning step is to check whether your model is wrong. But no, the fake scientists would rather go on Twitter and attempt to scare people into buying their alarmist rhetorics instead.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jun 2024 18:57:38 UTC No. 16258518
>>16257290
Thats because they're propagandists, not real scientists
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jun 2024 06:44:16 UTC No. 16259396
>>16257140
No he wasn't, he was extremely well respected even amongst the top peers in his field. You're only trying to demean him because you're butthurt
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jun 2024 21:44:52 UTC No. 16260292
>>16236727
>Freeman Dyson says CO2 is good because its plant food and it makes the whole Earth greener and healthier
based video, skip the lame 3 minute into section
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 18:41:09 UTC No. 16261680
>>16257290
the rest of that article shows that about 90% of the islands studied are gaining area rather than losing it, which is particularly significant because coral atolls are extremely transient features which erode quickly. So if most of them are gaining area that pretty much proves that sea level is receding rather than rising,
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 19:48:29 UTC No. 16261820
>>16236727
Smart people can be used wrong. You shouldn't base your views on the opinion of a single person, irrespective of their achievements or intelligence. Rather you should look at long standing peer reviewed evidence.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:32:18 UTC No. 16261968
>My objections to the global warming propaganda are not so much over the technical facts, about which I do not know much, but it’s rather against the way those people behave and the kind of intolerance to criticism that a lot of them have. I think that’s what upsets me.
Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 04:06:33 UTC No. 16262416
>>16236727
His objection is only to climate models based on fluid dynamics. The majority of arguments to convince people about climate change has seldom been about fluid dynamical models, but about past events. Scientists have used ice cores, ocean cores, tree rings, coral "cores", and prob a bunch of other stuff too to show that that since the industrial revolution, the earths ave temp has been warming about 10x faster than the end of an Ice age.
Lol, you don't use fluid dynamical models to prove climate change. You use em as a guess on how it's going to affect the future. We already see the effects of climate change today, so such models are extrapolations of these current effects. We already know the current and past rates at which the earth is warming, but we want to predict what temps they might be. We know ocean levels are obviously gonna rise from melting ice, but by how much and when? A question like this depends on the temp obviously and when that temp hits. This leads to a question like who and how many people are going to be displaced? How many will die indirectly? Models lead to other models which lead to other models to answer diff questions. We already know the trend exists and what the general effects are gonna be; models give us an educated guess an what specific numbers to expect.
As for Dyson, did he ever even say something like "climate change is a hoax"? Or was he one of those people who were like "well, idk much but I'd like more info. I like being contrarian too cause I'm a scientist". Dyson helped show that Feynman's QED ideas had merit even when a shit ton of smart physicists were skeptical. Idk, does anyone know if he really had Nobel disease, or was just trying to play devils advocate like a decent scientist should?
Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 21:58:58 UTC No. 16263396
>>16262416
you have no idea what you're talking about
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 17:23:25 UTC No. 16264546
>>16236727
If you believe in Dyson spheres then you pretty much also have to believe that global warming is fake
Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 05:55:53 UTC No. 16265524
>>16236727
>37 years of research
>one of the most famous and successful 20th century scientists
>nobody cares or believes him because gretchen thunderburp's instagram is considered more authoritative
Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 21:43:41 UTC No. 16266689
>>16265524
dumb people do dumb things and most people are dumb, thats why greta's insta will always outweigh dyson's massively successful career in the sciences and all of his well reasoned logic. dumb people don't understand well reasoned logic, they only understand Instagram.
Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 17:39:25 UTC No. 16267836
>>16261820
>muh peer review
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repli