🗑️ 🧵 Copies with death and materialism
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 00:57:41 UTC No. 16237112
How do I let go of crippling daily anxiety over mortality without eschewing a materialistic worldview or engaging in any transhumanist copes (those simply move the issue further along and don't solve it)? More importantly, how do you lot or the average non-religious Joe manages to do it without seemingly much trouble?
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 01:17:02 UTC No. 16237145
>>16237112
Materialism is unscientific and holding on to it in the current year with the overwhelming evidence we have accumulated against it since 2016 makes no sense. There is probably nothing you can do in our lifetime to prevent the decay of your current biological construct but odds are your consciousness will not just vanish. Odds are you will be eternally aware. Just not as the fake idea you have of you right now
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 01:24:42 UTC No. 16237158
>>16237145
What happened after 2016?
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 01:53:56 UTC No. 16237196
>>16237158
Plenty of well constructed experiments and studies on quantum effects that undeniably confirm for even the most fervent defenders of materialism holding up until now that there aren't little ball particles out there with specific dimensions taking up specific locations in space. It's more of an abstract field of values we use to describe something we haven't exactly figured out yet.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 01:56:03 UTC No. 16237200
>>16237112
I recommend you read "Why materialism is balloney" by Bernardo Kastrup
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 02:06:04 UTC No. 16237215
>>16237145
>>16237196
>>16237200
OP asked for sci/med ways to cope, not /x/. Also that book literally starts with a congratulating quote by Deerak Chopra.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 02:08:26 UTC No. 16237217
>>16237112
Are you scared of sleeping everyday? That's literally dying by many definitions.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 02:12:50 UTC No. 16237225
>>16237217
I see vivid dreams every single time I fall asleep (and can even hear outside noise which would influence those dreams), so I doubt that; your body is mostly awake during sleep. In fact, even in rare cases of sleep without dream as a kid I would at least feel some vague semblance of the passage of time.
I also underwent many surgeries and have been under general anesthesia many times in my life so I know it's categorically different from dreaming at least.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 04:41:48 UTC No. 16237348
>>16237215
Einstein quoted Bible many times. Was he a Christian?
Also in quantum mechanics is a valid area of science/physics no matter how much science denying trannies will screech at it.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 04:45:28 UTC No. 16237349
>>16237225
Feeling of anesthesia =/= sleep =/= death
All 3 are unique experiences.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 05:02:24 UTC No. 16237362
>>16237349
Agreed. However, anesthesia is zero experience, you only have the bridge between before and after, so I assume it's most similar to death except for death having no "after".
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 05:03:28 UTC No. 16237364
>>16237348
QM is valid, but not the mysticism surrounding it. At the end of the day it's still just physics.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 05:04:53 UTC No. 16237365
reminder:
idealism is a respectable position, but not the "i have le free will, i can do anything, i create reality!!" garbage that too many self-proclaimed idealists promote.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 05:22:47 UTC No. 16237383
>>16237364
There's no mysticism surrounding it. It simply eliminates materialism as a valid explanation for reality. I make no claims other than refuting materialism.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 05:37:31 UTC No. 16237393
>>16237362
It's not certain it's zero experience. There are a lot of arguments to be made that it's simply blocking memory formation while experiencing the whole thing.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 05:54:17 UTC No. 16237410
>>16237112
>without eschewing a materialistic worldview
Not possible, materialism by definition removes all meaning from human life. No way out of it without going outside of it. You can try nietschze I guess but then you're just elevating the material into something it "isn't".
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 05:55:30 UTC No. 16237413
>>16237362
Anesthesia, pre life, post death, and simply forgetting something are all completely identical to us. That doesn't really say anything.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 05:56:32 UTC No. 16237417
>>16237112
take about 5-10 grams dry of P. Semilanceata and you won't worry about dying any more.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 11:10:17 UTC No. 16237637
>>16237417
Why is that?
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 13:31:33 UTC No. 16237758
>>16237112
PHILOSOPHY IS NOT SCIENCE
OFF-TOPIC IN /SCI/
>>>/x/
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 13:56:09 UTC No. 16237785
>>16237758
>the question of what is the most fundamental substance in reality, is not the concern of the discipline dedicated to widening knowledge
faggot.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 14:09:15 UTC No. 16237801
>>16237758
Lit would be the better board for this
>>16237785
Science can only be used to for things that can be empirically tested or modeled.
Learning to cope with things is squarely in the domain of philosophy.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 14:43:07 UTC No. 16237843
>>16237801
you don't define the scope of science, kid. i say science encompasses all enquiries regarding the nature of reality. and there's nothing you can do about it.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 14:50:40 UTC No. 16237850
>>16237112
>How do I let go of crippling daily anxiety over mortality
>without eschewing a materialistic worldview
Drugs. That's unironically the only answer if you force yourself into that cornor.
So don't force yourself into that cornor.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 15:18:03 UTC No. 16237874
>>16237112
materialism doesn't preclude an afterlife.
idealism doesn't necessarily entail an afterlife.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 15:54:44 UTC No. 16237915
>>16237874
How? Materialism entails your consciousness been an emergent property of your physical brain/body/spirit. Once that's destroyed you are gone; where is the afterlife?
Idealism holds that consciousness is the First Cause of existence. Everything you observe can change but you cannot ever cease to exist.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 15:59:22 UTC No. 16237922
>>16237915
one could subscribe to a materialist theory that one's consciousness originates from something that is material but is apart from the body.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 16:02:49 UTC No. 16237927
Unless you believe in some sort of pluralistic idealism that allows an afterlife of sorts then idealism isn't that much different from materialism when it comes to death, it's just that instead of your consciousness disappearing forever, everything that makes you you and everything and everyone you hold dear will cease to exist.
>>16237200
With my point above, Kastrup can posit whatever he wants regarding metaphysics but he's full of shit as soon as he claims that his worldview will give your life so much meaning. In fact he admits that the world just unfolds with a Schopenhauerian blind will, but I guess he has to hook normies up with feelgood messages that nobody ever dies
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 16:14:29 UTC No. 16237942
>>16237112
Your goal should be biological immortality. Any other answer is a cope.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 16:16:10 UTC No. 16237945
>>16237417
Genes that are down-regulated over the age of 40 include:
-GluR1 AMPA receptor subunit
-NMDA R2A receptor subunit (involved in learning)
-Subunits of the GABA-A receptor
-Genes involved in long-term potentiation e.g. calmodulin 1 and CaM Kinase II alpha
-Calcium signaling genes
-Synaptic plasticity genes
-Synaptic vesicle release and recycling genes
Genes that are upregulated include:
-Genes associated with stress response and DNA repair
-Antioxidant defence
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 17:16:22 UTC No. 16238012
metaphysics are real
act accordingly
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 17:47:41 UTC No. 16238046
>>16237637
the large enough dose causes an alteration in self awareness by reversibly extenuating self-referential cognition producing what can be described as ego loss .. trad psych uses a term; 'depersonalization' which sound rather ominous but what happens may be described if only poorly as the normal self aware boundary an individual has vanishes so consciousness becomes merged with totality the personal filter being removed. Oneness is a term used for this where consciousness is experienced utterly unified with the totality of the field in which it is existing. You are all and all is you therefore you lose the sense of being "on your own" and the fear you will suffer after dying may fade because you have experienced being totality and there is no place you can not be thus no possibility of being somehow extinguished or lost and isolated forever... or something like that.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas
https://www.frontiersin.org/article
if there are other dimensions of existence which inherently have a non-material nature and are this without subjection to the laws of the properties of this universe but exist supernaly perhaps Psilocybin/Psilocin may sensitize our cognitive apparatus to receive vibratory emanations originating from those planes.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jun 2024 18:06:17 UTC No. 16238063
LSD
unironically