Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 10:50:07 UTC No. 16239255

>>16239253
Don't question or argue with the /pol/ schizos. They don't believe anything you say

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:01:33 UTC No. 16239263

>>16239253
I think most people do it because it tastes good.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:09:10 UTC No. 16239269

>>16239253
This entire website is in an ongoing crisis of masculinity and people associate veganism with femininity and liberalism. They have a pathological need to justify their life choices by putting down an imaginary enemy. Quite ironic, of course, given the stereotype about vegans.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:22:37 UTC No. 16239276

>>16239269
This is the same psychological process that accounts for all this board's obsessions, btw
Ultimately it's a rejection of perceived liberal feminine weakness and a convenient excuse to avoid changing your ways or improving the world because that's for sissies. And a bunch of basement dwelling math spergs need all the help they can get to appear masculine. Hence they put on a whole show and dance.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:25:00 UTC No. 16239278

>>16239253
>Vitamin B12, D, iron, and iodine

most people eating omnivorous diets are even deficient in this shit these days cuz they dun goof'd all the food fortification

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:36:02 UTC No. 16239287

>>16239269
/thread
when one ties what they eat to their identity, anything that rattles it a bit will rattle their self-perception and self-esteem on an emotional and triggering way.

>>16239253
I agree OP, and don't forget to do a yearly general med checkup. I'm sure glad I live in a country with a decent public health system; preventive medicine is a perk that comes with paying my taxes.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:43:48 UTC No. 16239297

>>16239253
Plants are life too.
By eating plants you are harming them unnecessarily since you no longer need to eat plants to survive.
Pill-based diet is the ultimate right choice.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:55:57 UTC No. 16239313

>>16239253
You shouldn't be vegan, being vegan is evil. You shouldn't be murdering innocent plant life everyday. Fruitarian is the real answer, we should all be fruitarians.
Fruitarianism > Veganism

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:17:27 UTC No. 16239393

>>16239253
AI generated thread

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:26:22 UTC No. 16239400

>>16239253
here's the thing.

even if veganism is harmful to health, it still should not be criticised, because the virtue of its moral intent is too strong. according to our best estimations, higher order animals suffer, and minimising their suffering holds great moral value.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:33:14 UTC No. 16239405

Veganism is a totalitarian, hateful, anti human ideology. Giving more value to animals than to humans means dehumanizing humans. This repulsive mindset goes hand in hand with other genocidal tendencies which appallingly seem to be on the rise in current times.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:34:43 UTC No. 16239407

>>16239405
It's literally a personal choice not to consume animal products and you are projecting massively.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:36:59 UTC No. 16239414

>>16239407
It is absolutely not a personal choice. Vegan ideologists are fundamentally convinced that omnivore nutrition needs to be globally permanently eradicated. They are not satisfied with themselves eating no meat, they are obsessed with taking away YOUR meat.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:46:10 UTC No. 16239427

>>16239253
Overton window has shifted and people are finally realizing how stupid vegans are

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:49:25 UTC No. 16239431

>>16239253
>Veganism is fine
>Except for all the deficiencies it causes
>Just take a supplement bro veganism is good
>we all agree harming animals unnecessarily is wrong,
Speak for yourself, anthropomorphizing pussy. They're animals. They're here to feed me, simple as.
> we no longer need to eat animals to survive.
>Except for how we become deficient in nutrients
>Just supplement it with ultra processed vitamins bro

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:07:58 UTC No. 16239444

>>16239253
Most hardcore vegans are irrational and don't take any supplements, they are usually no more intelligent than /pol/ idiots.
Ironically the two of them are actually pretty much similar.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:16:01 UTC No. 16239454

>>16239405
>veganism is hateful
>but murdering sentient beings isn't

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:23:27 UTC No. 16239462

>>16239454
>sentient
>murder
Nice bait. Bovine aren't humans lil bro

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:35:48 UTC No. 16239476

>>16239462
>sentience is a uniquely human property

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:37:30 UTC No. 16239477

>>16239476
Yes. You have to be a mentally ill, anthropomorphizing, dehumanizing retard to believe otherwise.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:38:07 UTC No. 16239480

>>16239477
prove that sentience is a uniquely human property.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:43:46 UTC No. 16239485

>>16239480
define sentience

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:24:45 UTC No. 16239516

>>16239480
Prove that it isn't. Humans are obviously sentient. Absent evidence animals are, assume they aren't. Burden of proof is on you, tranny

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:32:10 UTC No. 16239520

>>16239516
okay, now YOU define sentience.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:34:23 UTC No. 16239523

>>16239520
Aware of ones own consciousness.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:40:43 UTC No. 16239530

>>16239523
What's consciousness?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:41:27 UTC No. 16239531

>>16239530
NPC detected

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:43:45 UTC No. 16239533

i don't want children to grow up malnourished and have lower iqs because of virtue signaling bullshit, it's similar to opposing trans ideology that way

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:44:51 UTC No. 16239534

>>16239253
It is almost impossible to maintain the caloric excess required by skeletal growth on a vegan diet. I'm sure you can be a healthy vegan if you meticulously curate your diet, but you will never be tall. Height is one of the foremost breeding indicators. You are more likely to be an evolutionary failure and fail to reproduce if you maintain a vegan diet. It's probably fine after your teenage years if you can put the effort in but at that point why would you bother? You've already had a diet high in milk and meat to become tall and you're not switching to veganism at that point.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:50:33 UTC No. 16239540

>>16239531
No, asshole, these are important questions. Before we can talk about something we have to define our terms so everybody's on the same page. Words like "sentience" and "consciousness" and "intelligence" get thrown around without useful definitions and that just results in a lot of wasted breath.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:51:25 UTC No. 16239542

>>16239530
If you have to ask, you're a retard. The ability to distinguish between your somatic and autonomic nervous system. That's the simplest I can distill the bicameral mind to for you. To be more precise the bicameral mind is the precursor to consciousness.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:01:02 UTC No. 16239550

Aquatic ape theory is quite obviously correct. It's so overwhelmingly obvious that humans are supposed to be pescatarian. I unfortunately have an aversion to sweets which seems to run in the male side of my family so the only fruits I commonly eat are Avocados, Tomatoes, Capsicums, and Chillis. If any sweet fruits are important then I'm not fucking getting any of them. I still think fish/fruit/nuts/leaves are what we're meant to eat. Our teeth are built for it all, and we can comfortably eat raw fish. It's nice that we discovered fire and can now eat meat we weren't built for. The fact that we must cook everything but fish seems very telling to me.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:02:50 UTC No. 16239553

>>16239542
Seems to me that if it's so self evident, then not being able to answer the question usefully makes you the retard.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:07:13 UTC No. 16239558

>>16239553
I did answer it usefully. Your inability to understand is a you-problem. Fyi not all humans are sentient, and I'd argue some aren't even conscious. You, unfortunately, appear to fall into the non sentient category. You undervalue humans and overvalue animals, setting them on a par with each other or even worse setting animals as higher. Here I'll break it down more
>No invertebrates are conscious
>Only (some) ape species display consciousness
>Of the ape species that display consciousness, only a subset of the species are conscious (implying some members still lack consciousness, see e.g. literal retards behooved to their biological impulses—do not be deceived by their ability to use language)
>Of the conscious species, only one of them is sentient (don't @me with all the earlier species of homo, only homo sapiens display sentience, which arose about 3000-5000 years ago)
>Of the members of homo sapiens that are conscious, only some are sentient (implying some conscious humans are not sentient)
Understand yet? Probably not, because you lack sentience. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt to assume you have consciousness.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:11:12 UTC No. 16239568

>>16239558
>Fyi not all humans are sentient, and I'd argue some aren't even conscious.
Then your definitions of those words are pretty shit, aren't they? The ONE thing we can all agree on about those properties is that people have them.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:16:28 UTC No. 16239575

>>16239553
>>16239558
>>16239568
All humans are sentient, arguing about subjective experiences is pointless due to everything being inherently impossible to prove, and the only thing we can truly confirm is that you're both retarded for trying to pick fights over a topic rooted in subjective experience. Shut the fuck up or take it to /x/. My subjective experience is that I've sentiently observed you both being obnoxious shitheads if you were curious. Of course, I can't be sure that you truly experienced curiousness regarding my disdain nor can you be sure that a sentient being actually judged you. Shut the fuck up you fucking pseuds. Go and kiss your reflections in your mirrors.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:16:50 UTC No. 16239576

>>16239568
>ONE thing we can all agree on about those properties is that people have them
And yet, we disagree. I've provided the argument. Even given you definitions upon request (which you subsequently dismiss for no reason aside from what appear to be emotional outbursts). Meanwhile let's not lose sight of the topic at hand: your inability to prove animals are sentient or conscious. All you're doing is trying to tear down the beauty of humanity so that you can treat animals on a moral par with humans. You disgust me.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:24:09 UTC No. 16239583

>>16239576
Um, asshole? You've got your anons mixed up.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:32:14 UTC No. 16239594

>>16239540
If you don't intuitively understand what consciousness means then there's no hope for you, NPC.

New Barkon at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:33:25 UTC No. 16239598

>>16239594
You are an NPF, non playable fag

Old Barkon at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:38:57 UTC No. 16239606

>>16239598
Son, my semen bottles are looking decidedly full. Have you been completing your assigned quests?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:41:42 UTC No. 16239612

>>16239606
The B in Barkon stands for BASED

New Barkon at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:42:20 UTC No. 16239614

>>16239612
:)

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:42:52 UTC No. 16239616

>>16239516
it's at least as much on you.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:44:00 UTC No. 16239618

>>16239523
poor definition.

New Barkon at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:45:51 UTC No. 16239622

>>16239616
Don't you belong in some tranny group on Discord who calls 4chan 'a horrible place where they insult our very nature cuz we trannies'.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:52:09 UTC No. 16239631

>>16239622
nope. not trans. but i am incel.

New Barkon at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 17:00:50 UTC No. 16239643

>>16239631
I am more of an incel

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 17:05:59 UTC No. 16239653

>>16239253
What's with all the pro-CO2 fossil fuel shills flooding the board as well?

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 08:31:03 UTC No. 16240726

>>16239253
>Veganism is fine
stopped reading right here

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 08:34:00 UTC No. 16240729

>>16239414
>They are not satisfied with themselves eating no meat, they are obsessed with taking away YOUR meat.
this is correct

sage at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 20:11:33 UTC No. 16241507

>>16239253
>Veganism is fine so long as you do your research and [...] supplement nutrients
First, veganism requires research and effort to have a shot at a balanced diet. Second, even if you succeed at both you have to take supplements, since not all nutrients a human needs are available in plant based sources.

A lifestyle that forces otherwise perfectly healthy people to take pills can not be supported.

>veganism may very well be necessary when you consider the current rate we are consuming dairy and meat is unsustainable on a global scale
Veganism requires more resources than an omnivorous diet. Omnivores have access to a lot more food sources and thus spread their impact more thinly. One third of all calories humanity consumes are estimated to be from the ocean and thus mostly from fish. Omnivores also make more efficient use of food sources they share with vegans. The parts of plants edible to us are actually very few. We feed a lot of our crop parts to lifestock, as well as recycle food waste and inedible species.

Lifestocks output is also far more than mere food. Lifestock produces valuable resources such as manure, fur, leather, hair, bones. And yes, we do make use of those still. While it is possible to find animal free alternatives to these products those alternatives either require limited resources such as oil or need to be farmed themselves, eating into our fertile farmland.

Additionally, lifestock rearing is the only way to make huge parts of our planet usable for us humans. Hunting needs to be named too, as it allows us to make double use of areas we need to produce wood, for example.

>the impact of animal agriculture on climate change
Such as? Everything an animal puts out while it is alive comes from its feed. That feed absorbed these climate pollutants from the atmosphere while it grew.

>we no longer need to eat animals to survive
Wrong.

sage at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 20:15:57 UTC No. 16241516

>>16239405
>>16239414
The typical vegan has a lot in common with a religious martyr. The vegan sacrifices his fulfilment so that he can lord his moral superiority over you. He imposes his will on you by shaming you for enjoying what he denies to himself. He claims to be driven by a just desire to protect animals and immunises himself from critique. Because if you criticize the vegan he can attack you as morally reprehensible since you must want animals to suffer.

Loud vegans are disgusting people.

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 20:19:26 UTC No. 16241520

>>16239253
>Veganism is fine
Vegetarianism is fine. Veganism is a death cult.

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:36:51 UTC No. 16242350

>>16239534
veganism is an identity and a cult
if it wasnt they would be eating eggs at the very least but they wont because then they would lose the veganism label and only be vegetarians

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:58:28 UTC No. 16242361

>>16239550
>It's nice that we discovered fire and can now eat meat we weren't built for. The fact that we must cook everything but fish seems very telling to me.
I like your post
I alternate between eating raw beef liver, raw ground beef and raw fish for breakfast, I'll eat raw egg yolks throughout the day as well
I once left my liver out on the counter on a hot day and didnt realise until they day after, I smelled it then tasted it and didnt so much as gag, in fact it tasted like aged cheese, almost had a sweet(er) taste, same with ground beef that "spoiled"
I never got sick from eating any of these and I feel great after eating them, as long as they don't taste bitter I think they're fine to eat raw
right now im convinced we were born as scavengers in the early years of our species existence but I'm not married to that idea
have a nice day

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:06:34 UTC No. 16242369

Perhaps someone being a vegan implies I'm a bad person for not. I think i'm not a bad person so veganism is incorrect by contradiction.

Just a strawman but could be true for some

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:18:01 UTC No. 16242380

>>16242361
>parastite r'nt reel
>i fell fine

we did invented cooking for a reason, /b/ro

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:46:11 UTC No. 16242505

>>16242380
>parastite r'nt reel
never said this
>i fell fine
yes I do, that's why I keep eating like this
>we did invented cooking for a reason, /b/ro
what do you think we ate before the invention of cooking?
thanks for your reply esl
have a nice day

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 15:36:28 UTC No. 16242679

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