🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jun 2024 22:09:09 UTC No. 16240044

>>16239929
Nigger

🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 01:15:53 UTC No. 16240302

Double Nigger

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 02:14:56 UTC No. 16240397

>>16239929
>Why do EVs spontaneously combust so frequently?
because they're dangerous deathtraps

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 02:20:04 UTC No. 16240406

>>16239929
>put large amount of energy in small container
>energy release only limited by resistance
>battery has internal booboo
>exponential failure
>retarded amount of energy dumped through internal short
>electrolyte spontaneously vaporizes
>pressure causes cell to burst
>ultra hot lithium starts burning
>failure spreads to adjacent cells
>more and more energy being dumped
When it gets going you have to dump them into an airtight container with foam and sand to quench it, it's an electrical, chemical and metal fire at the same time.

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 02:27:01 UTC No. 16240412

Based
Fuck Elon and his death carriages

🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 18 Jun 2024 02:34:10 UTC No. 16240423

>>16240302
You're such a faggot for not knowing how to sage

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 05:28:51 UTC No. 16242227

>>16240412
He scammed millions of idiots into buying that junk and plowed their money into Shartship which injects massive amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere quicker than anything else on the planet.

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:25:59 UTC No. 16242301

>>16239929
>Why do EVs spontaneously combust so frequently?
pretty much every QC problem from materials to assembly of electrical circuits and batteries can increase resistance in one way or another. increased resistance produces excess heat. once the heat is enough to compromise a battery cell, there is fire.

>Can science solve this problem?
no. only the fat QA guy at the end of the line who has an online community college education can do that.

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:38:31 UTC No. 16242307

>>16239929
Why do australians like to ban things?

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:42:02 UTC No. 16242310

>>16242227
>>16240412
>t.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 03:33:20 UTC No. 16243562

>>16240044
>>16240302
the n word is racist

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 04:16:56 UTC No. 16243608

>>16240412
Just imagine how bad the actual Chinese EVs are. They cut corners Elon didn't even know were possible. Of course the batteries are coming from China in all cases, but when it's a Chinese company placing the order, they cheap out in every way possible.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 07:07:25 UTC No. 16243751

>>16243608
Might be the opposite. The more complex a system is the more points of failure it can have.

We need actual data and not just rely on Americans feeling threatened by the Chinese.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 07:09:30 UTC No. 16243754

>16243751
Obvious CCP shill is obvious.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 09:11:32 UTC No. 16243821

TDK announced an advancement in solid state batteries. They will have twice the capacity of current lithium ion batteries but more importantly since they're solid state, the fire hazard will be almost entirely removed and the charging rates will be much higher (no more getting to 80% and creeping up from there) as the dendrite problem only effects liquid cell batteries.
They're working with Apple to include the new battery tech in select products. If all goes well, they'll scale up to larger devices with higher and more complex energy demands.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 09:17:30 UTC No. 16243824

>>16243751
>We need actual data
Look at regulatory standards. How many dodgy Chinese phone chargers do you need to see before you recognize the pattern?

🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 14:37:32 UTC No. 16244149

>>16243562
Fuck you nigger tranny janny for even keeping this shit thread up

🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 18:24:47 UTC No. 16244369

>>16244149
Nigger is banned, but endless "muh vegan" threads are kept up. If I wanted anti-racist news-article science, I could just go to reddit.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 18:34:20 UTC No. 16244384

>>16243562
EAT TURD

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 00:08:58 UTC No. 16244837

>>16239929
there are too many cells to keep track of, if a cell goes below 3.2 or above 4.2 volts bad things happen.
>Can science solve this problem
seems intractable, as it stands battery's would have to be made in such away that bad cells can be detected and replaced easily
>alternate nrg storage
my (ill informed) vote goes to molten salt battery's, or maybe the Tata AIRPod "5076 psi ftw".

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 09:37:17 UTC No. 16245328

>>16239929
>Why do EVs spontaneously combust so frequently?
EVs can sometimes catch fire because their lithium-ion batteries can overheat and go into what's called thermal runaway, which is like a chain reaction of overheating. This can happen if the battery gets damaged, overcharged, or isn't cooled properly. Extreme temperatures or crashes can also trigger it. Though it sounds scary, EV fires are actually pretty rare compared to fires in regular gas cars.

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 16:29:57 UTC No. 16245837

this is why it makes no difference if EVs catch fire and kill everyone in them

Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 06:11:06 UTC No. 16246972

>>16243821
probably fake, they float lies like that for the inevitable stock market reaction all the time

Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 15:34:40 UTC No. 16247546

>>16239929
Ouch

Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 17:50:50 UTC No. 16247803

>>16239929
You need a good EV system like a perfected hydrogen battery or maybe biodiesel. Using a giant phone battery is retarded. They would run out of lithium before everyone on Earth could drive one of these.

Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 18:52:36 UTC No. 16247935

Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 20:44:55 UTC No. 16248096

>>16239929
>Why do EVs spontaneously combust so frequently?
They don't though. Gas cars are much more likely to catch fire than EVs.

Anonymous at Sat, 22 Jun 2024 21:08:48 UTC No. 16248143

>>16247935
>>16248096
Why are hybrids so much more likely to catch fire than ICE or EVs?

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 04:43:18 UTC No. 16248751

>>16248143
take one potential ignition source and add another potential ignition source
now you have two potential ignition sources

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 05:23:16 UTC No. 16248791

Once solid-state batteries become affordable, this won't be a problem.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 03:56:01 UTC No. 16250319

>>16248096
fake af
parking garages aren't banning normal cars, they're only banning EVs.
its like that because normal cars don't spontaneously combust and EVs do

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 04:41:23 UTC No. 16250370

>>16239929
Except they're not

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:17:09 UTC No. 16250729

>>16239929
The same british faggot tried to claim that a fire in a miniature city in a danish legoland was caused by an EV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XyKh4ZN56Y

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:26:22 UTC No. 16250737

>>16239929
>Why do EVs spontaneously combust so frequently?
Is there any evidence of this? My understanding is that they are LESS likely to develop a fire, but when they do it causes a lot more damage because the fires are so hard to put out.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 13:38:54 UTC No. 16250816

>>16250319
Hmmm, who do I trust to gather the relevant data: the NTSB and insurance companies or a parking deck operator in Australia? Really tough choice as Australian parking deck operators are world known for their ability to collect vast amounts of data and properly analyze it, while insurance companies have no reason to want to know what their risks are when setting rates and the NTSB of course is in the pocket of Big Battery and has always sided against anything petro.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 13:55:55 UTC No. 16250834

>>16247935
This kills the oil shill

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 15:07:11 UTC No. 16250903

>>16250834
>petrol/gas is commercially common
Imagine being EVtroon

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 15:23:32 UTC No. 16250924

>>16250816
>Hmmm, who do I trust to gather the relevant data: the NTSB and insurance companies or a parking deck operator in Australia?
which one suffers a direct financial loss if their numbers are wrong?

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 17:12:50 UTC No. 16251076

>>16250924
Insurance companies by a huge margin.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 17:14:45 UTC No. 16251077

>>16239929
>Why do EVs spontaneously combust so frequently?
They're shit.

>Can science solve this problem?
It already did decades ago, don't use EVs.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 18:24:40 UTC No. 16251211

Fire at EV factory kills dozens of workers
https://x.com/BNONews/status/1805140067876225223

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:13:36 UTC No. 16251305

>>16248096
It's unclear what is being studied here. If we look at car crashes then I think it's obvious we will see more fires in gas cars due to the nature of fuel. It does seem uncommon for gas cars to spontaneously combust while parked or when they're involved in low speed collisions, which is an occurrence more likely with poorly manufactured batteries, and naturally more concerning to a parking garage.

I would imagine that most electric car fires are caused while it is charging, which may or may not be permitted in some parking garages.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:14:39 UTC No. 16251309

>>16251211
What devices did that plant make batteries for? Were they EVs? We both already know that answer but nice try to connect the unconnected.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:16:00 UTC No. 16251312

>>16251305
>It does seem
No reason to read anything else in your post after stating that phrase. Get actual data or stop propagandizing.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:26:03 UTC No. 16251344

>>16251312
Stop larping as a professor. There's no sources even cited for the infographic.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 21:44:58 UTC No. 16251614

>>16243608
Shanghai-built Tesla cars are of higher quality compared to Fremont-built ones.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 01:58:19 UTC No. 16252029

>>16251614
Chinese manufacturers can build you whatever quality you like. The problem is that there really is no floor, so if you want to undercut your higher priced competitors, you'll find a Chinese manufacturer willing to cut as many corners as you like, and firms will even compete with each other in this race to the bottom. Since manufacturers typically consider China primarily to save money, they're often all the more eager to take advantage of any cost saving opportunities, all the more so if accountants are involved in the decision making process.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:48:15 UTC No. 16253056

>>16251614

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:54:34 UTC No. 16253074

>>16251344
What do you think your sealioning gains you? Do you think the 45 seconds it took to find the source on Google somehow is a slam dunk for your "side"? Why do you even have a side instead of wanting knowledge to "win"?
https://www.autoinsuranceez.com/gas-vs-electric-car-fires/

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 18:37:36 UTC No. 16253137

>>16239929
Wait for the cheap gook cars to get here and grab your popcorn.
They are going to cause major damages to the U.S.

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 06:35:45 UTC No. 16254325

>>16253074
>its true because a globohomo insurance company says so.
nice confirmation bias, your IQ is likely in the double digit range

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 06:46:58 UTC No. 16254340

>>16250903
Petrol is more trooncoded actually since it's a one way trip

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 15:34:16 UTC No. 16254899

>>16254340
Petrol literally puts xenoestrogens in the soil lmao

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 15:49:21 UTC No. 16254908

>>16242227
>NOOOOO HE'S A SCAMMER
>HE JUST GOT LUCKY AND HIS SCAMS TURNED INTO TWO OF THE MOST SUCCESFUL COMPANIES ON EARTH!
major elon-caused derangement illness. i suggest going to a doctor and asking for an anti-elon obsession prescription.

Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:04:09 UTC No. 16256161

>>16254908
When is science going to invent a vaccine for EDS

Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 08:51:24 UTC No. 16256322

>>16242227
If you believe CO2 is a problem just kill yourself to become carbon neutral.

Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 09:30:50 UTC No. 16256340

>>16251312
>Provides logical comparison of the relevant parts in how they operate in conjuction with the vehicle as well as in ambient conditions and makes a relation based off such to implicate how data may be flawed
>makes such suggestion regarding data which can never be personally verified in the first place and thus immediately calls for a comparison to ones own knowledge over that which can be confirmed about the parts (which the above does)
...
>Ok, but wheres your paper affirming YOUR point huh?

In spite of this post being just pure shitpost I would like to use it to exemplify why modern science is dead. Peer review and most of statistic worship is antithetical to agency and by extension empiricism.

Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 09:35:45 UTC No. 16256344

>>16256322
Brilliant

Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 09:39:38 UTC No. 16256346

>>16239929
>> Adequate management, is one way to avoid electrical fires.

Overcharging and misuse was identified as the immediate cause of all reported fires.

The risk of fire, is caused by misuse.

Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 09:48:55 UTC No. 16256351

>>16256340
You can't simultaneously complain how science is dead and then make the fallacy where you think the data may be flawed and use that as evidence that it is or worse that the reverse is true. You are absolutely and rightfully destroyed by asking for evidence in this case.

If you had an ounce of scientific bone in you, you would instead direct this sort of passive aggressive "it feels to me that you are wrong :^)" critique at op which is a 1 post by this ID bot posting a (likely fake) story presented in the form of a youtube video which itself probably quotes some blogs or what ever.

Unless you meant your post was a shitpost in which case I concede, you got me.

Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 11:00:46 UTC No. 16256418

>>16256351
I used the post itself as an example cause the reply chain felt appropriate in what I skimmed on /sci/ today for it, not neccesarily because it itself cites some random bullshit as basis but rather because it responds to someone attempting to reason with "lol no paper" and thus is allegorical. Similary, that post itself wasn't inherently indicating a position towards the topic, just a distaste for the procession of the "argument". That said:

The falliability of the data is not used as justification for the alternative, it was merely to state that it isn't indicative (to the main point). Though I do believe the suggestion that e-vehicles, at present, are a more likely fire-hazard when idle. The reasoning for which being considering the properties of the fuel material in relation to ignition, and my own video-viewing of many e-anything fires/explosions occuring in non-impact related scenarios over the years while also observing almost no equivalent for fuel related vehicles despite substantial descrepencies in usage. I also find it unlikely, that, even if videos of such occuring in fuel vehicles were less interesting that I wouldn't see any of them considering the mundanity of everything else which circulates.

Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 11:09:44 UTC No. 16256430

>>16256418
You can't simultaneously complain how science is dead and then make the fallacy where asking for evidence for your opinion is bad. That being said that in off itself is allegorical to /sci/ where retards defend blogs all the time by attacking well sourced claims with "it feels to me you are wrong because I read this meme in facebook that one time" like you are doing now.

Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 12:44:44 UTC No. 16256547

>>16256430
What you call data in this context is not evidence, and it is there where you fail to see the point of the argument while also warping what I say, since I never said asking for evidence is bad. Though I don't care to reiterate it since it won't matter when you inevitably re-alter whatever my supposed fallacy is and make implications towards other posts I didn't make itt. Continue to worship data, i.e other peoples anecdotes, over logical considerations of the constituents and personal experience and enjoy your lacking agency. You fool yourself thinking your "well-sourced data" has any more value than "facebook memes", when they're principally the same, and lend yourself as a tool to be used. In fact it's lower in this instance, as at least the latter is closer to evidence of such actually occuring, though the concept of the validity of information is likely lost here. I sincerely hope all such as yourself meet an early demise.

Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 12:47:48 UTC No. 16256551

>>16256547
Concession accepted

Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jun 2024 04:39:48 UTC No. 16257679

>>16254325
>TRUST THE SCIENCE
>TRUST THE INSURANCE COMPANIES
>TRUST THE GLOBALIZED MEGACORPORATIONS

Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jun 2024 20:05:46 UTC No. 16258644

>>16257679

Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jun 2024 20:28:56 UTC No. 16258681

>>16256551
Not a single person reads your smug non-sequitur as success my nigger

Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jun 2024 07:46:08 UTC No. 16259454

>>16256346
>victim blaming

Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jun 2024 07:50:32 UTC No. 16259460

>>16250319
Show evidence or fuck off you moron.

Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jun 2024 22:08:56 UTC No. 16260320

>>16259460
you sure do seem angry and upset, you should try and calm down and get control of yourself, science is for rational thinkers, not screeching emotional basket cases

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 19:00:38 UTC No. 16261723

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 05:55:39 UTC No. 16262493

Clearly EVs cannot be parked in a parking garage. The fires they start are like 2500 Celsius which can destroy the garage. And imagine if all the cars in the garage are EVs. The fire would spread and be totally uncontrollable and the whole building could blow up.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 22:01:41 UTC No. 16263401

>>16239929
based Australian parking garages

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 22:09:40 UTC No. 16263408

>>16242310
I swear to God this dude met Elon and he gave him a fucking noogie or something. He has got to be seething every fucking day waiting for him to fail lmao

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 22:12:12 UTC No. 16263412

>>16251614
Would you say their quality is implessive?

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 22:12:46 UTC No. 16263413

>>16239929
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/electric-cars-are-less-likely-to-catch-fire-than-gas-cars/ar-AA1kqKnX

>The Guardian compiled a list of reported data sets from several countries, including Norway (the country with the highest concentration of electric vehicles in the world), Australia, and from Tesla's global fleet. In every case, the numbers are conclusive: EVs are much less likely to catch fire than gasoline or diesel vehicles.

>So, why are EV fires reported so much more frequently than internal-combustion-fueled vehicles? There are a lot of possibilities, including some that are obvious: because their abundance on the world's roadways is a relatively new phenomena, because there are plenty of people who are against electrification in general, and because EV fires have a tendency to be quite spectacular (and, yes, potentially more dangerous than other types of fires).

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 22:23:29 UTC No. 16263418

>>16243821
This sounds about as real as unicorn-farts, I'm skeptical

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 22:26:23 UTC No. 16263423

>>16261723
You literally downloaded this from a onions booru? What the fuck lmao

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 22:30:12 UTC No. 16263429

>>16261723
Troon channel called transport evolved…

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 16:55:51 UTC No. 16264506

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:35:13 UTC No. 16264988

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 04:51:03 UTC No. 16265459

>>16264988
Best move is to crank your ac and use an EV til the grid operator adds more capacity to the grid. Ideally in the form of nuclear

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 17:14:10 UTC No. 16266225

>>16263423
the 'ru is where the gems are

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 05:44:16 UTC No. 16267261

>>16256322
Musk clearly doesn't think CO2 is a problem so why should I? Global warming tards are a large group of extremely dumb people with money, picking them out to target for ripoffs is a brilliant business decision.

Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 04:52:57 UTC No. 16268493

>>16253074
>https://www.autoinsuranceez.com/gas-vs-electric-car-fires/
is that peer reviewed

Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 05:25:15 UTC No. 16268541

>>16244837
when a cell goes bad the car throws an error telling you to take it in for service and it limits the range. if you keep driving it with limited range (60 miles or less) at some point the car will just not move anymore. This used to be a big problem on the earlier models of teslas, but with the lithium-ion phosphate batteries, they have reduced failures.

Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 20:23:25 UTC No. 16269428

>>16244837
Why not put a layer of some flame retardant substance above or below the cells, and whenever one of them bursts into flames the flame retardant gets released.

https://youtu.be/xjGOEYtqI24

Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 21:08:01 UTC No. 16269508

>>16248096
>>16247935
Gascucks seething and coping hard rn fr fr

Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 21:14:03 UTC No. 16269518

>>16263401

Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 21:16:08 UTC No. 16269521

>>16261723
troons hate tesla though

Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 20:17:04 UTC No. 16270688

>>16269518
Note that the car has a rigid barrier which prevents convective cooling. Thats why greenhouses are capable of functioning, because they have that barrier. No free floating gas can reproduce that same effect because gases are subject to convection.

Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 20:58:27 UTC No. 16270725

>>16270688
What if they slap a vapor chamber on top of the batteries? It’s passive cooling so it doesn’t need power to run. This would keep the batteries cool if they start to heat up. But it’s probably too expensive.

>So when the vapor chamber is heated by an electronic component, such as your computer CPU, the liquid vaporizes. This vapor then circulates via convection and moves freely through the enclosure. And when it finds a cooler surface, it condenses and dissipates the absorbed heat. The condensed liquid then moves through the wick material and gets back to the hotter side. And this process continues as long as the electronic component is hot.

Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 21:06:20 UTC No. 16270736

>>16270725
https://youtu.be/CE4CrpBxHZs

Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 01:42:11 UTC No. 16270993

>>16270725
>winter
Still failed rate

Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 01:43:12 UTC No. 16270994

>>16269521
Are you sure ab
>>>/o/27790617

Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 04:18:29 UTC No. 16271063