Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:30:21 UTC No. 16243494

The jews did it, psychology isn't a hard science, you're retarded for asking such dumb ass questions

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:31:12 UTC No. 16243496

>>16243493
>Are there fundamental problems with the basis of modern psychology?
More women in, more men out

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:34:21 UTC No. 16243500

>>16243494
You're retarded for thinking that would have anything to do with the validity of psychology as a field, for anyone who doesn't have a pseud sign-brain
>>16243496
Pop psychology is what gets tons of normalfags and unrigorous people interested in psychology, but I think if it was a strong field it would repel those people if they wanted to get a real career in it
Therapists don't count btw

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:35:30 UTC No. 16243501

>>16243493
>fundamental problems with the basis of modern psychology?

Yes, asking the patients to describe their problem, and observing their behavior to diagnose it.

>protip: some people are good actors

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:36:10 UTC No. 16243502

>>16243493
there are too many variables in psychology
people would probably use it to cheat others, exploit consumers etc

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:46:57 UTC No. 16243511

psychology is useless. humans are shaped by other humans. if i tell you to do something, you have to do it.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:47:01 UTC No. 16243512

>>16243500
Your answer misses the main point. When psychology had become a women's field(who are most normalfag people ever, or even worse) it lost it's academic reliability and was full of hysterical women. Pic related is the psychologist who developed "womb envy" theory because she hated Freud

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:49:20 UTC No. 16243515

>>16243512
Freud is a retard and Freud had a penis.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:49:25 UTC No. 16243516

>>16243512
IMO most psychologists were hacks and left-wing pseuds, even men, for a long time. Why they are still the basis of modern psychology is beyond them, we should probably just start over entirely with new terminology.
>>16243511
?

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:49:25 UTC No. 16243517

Freud: You want to fuck your mother and kill your father.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:52:26 UTC No. 16243520

>>16243516
why study humans? just order them around.
hey bitch, get me a coffee.
like that.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:53:03 UTC No. 16243521

>>16243520
4chan is for adults, brotha

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:54:38 UTC No. 16243527

>>16243517
How did he know?

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:55:23 UTC No. 16243529

>>16243516
>IMO most psychologists were hacks and left-wing pseuds, even men, for a long tim
Yeah, but even these men had some contributions and understood scientific methods, so psychology had its development. Unlike women who just make retarded theories for the sake of retarded theories, or just paraphrase existing theories

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:59:04 UTC No. 16243538

>>16243521
adults understand authority.
psychologists are stalkers.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 09:26:01 UTC No. 16243834

Replication crisis cuts through half of our "knowledge" of psychology. We are far too arrogant to handle the field.
The USA is especially bad, just look at how many people rely on the DSM-5 despite it having very outdated models, at the behest of lazy practitioners.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 09:35:10 UTC No. 16243842

>>16243834
>Replication crisis cuts through half of our "knowledge" of psychology. We are far too arrogant to handle the field.

More women in the field= less replicatable and more shit

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 09:49:30 UTC No. 16243846

>>16243842
Physics has a replication crisis with very little women in it.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 09:54:27 UTC No. 16243850

>What's 1+1 and don't say 2

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 10:37:24 UTC No. 16243879

>>16243846
>Physics has a replication crisis with very little women in it.
Not very little, number of female physicists are the highest in the world history. And still on the rise because subsidiary funding that push more and more women into physics, but still situations is not as bas as psychology because men do outnumber them right now. But it's not for long

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 11:30:23 UTC No. 16243952

>>16243515
Even his methods are better than 99% of female cunt fart

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 13:25:44 UTC No. 16244068

>>16243501
Sometimes you don't even have to act. Afaik psychologists just ask a few questions and check if there are DSM 5 symptoms. And if another one tells the doctor that person is probably schizo or depressed etc they will assume it is correct and will always find clues for that diagnosis. Wasn't there an experiment where they put two psychiatrists in a room and both told them they were schizo and they each confirmed that diagnosis.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 13:33:39 UTC No. 16244078

>>16244068
Female influence is really so deep

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 13:34:31 UTC No. 16244080

>>16243502
>there are too many variables in psychology
Then why are medical interventions more successful? We add X to a complex biological system and reliably get result Y. What is so fundamentally different about adding a substance instead of adding a thought / perception / behavioral change / environmental change to a system?

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 13:44:43 UTC No. 16244097

>>16244080
Because only women do that

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 13:48:25 UTC No. 16244104

>>16244080
are you talking psychology or psychiatry?

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 14:35:57 UTC No. 16244147

>>16244104
I'm saying: a patient complains about fatigue. A blood test shows a deficiency. Meanwhile you verifiy/falsify underlying causes: diet, inflammation, etc. You provide the deficient nutrient, diet advice and perhaps medication. Problem solved. This is unreasonably effective by the way: just because you add a substance to a body does not mean that a body must do with that substance what you want it to do. But it does. Reliably even. Despite all these variables going on with how a substance is broken down, distributed and how it binds to other substances etc.

Now there's another patient. Also complains about fatigue. The doctor says: no identifiable physical cause. Go visit a psychologist the doctor says. First note how remarkable this discernment between physiology/psychology is because we assume: consciousness = physiology. There is no mind/body duality so how can there be a medicine/psychology duality?

Anyway: based on the first example we might expect the psychologist to follow a similar example as the doctor: to do a sort of screening like a ''blood test'' in this case a norm for healthy psychological circumstances like having a clean room in a safe place with clean water, electricity etc., no abusive relationships, not being completely isolated, having a job or school or if NEET then at least some daily routine of activities and so on. Based on such inquiry a psychologist should be able to establish some causes that can explain why the patient has no energy and implement some changes.

However: we all know from the tons of doomer discussion that a psychologist never has the same succes as a doctor. That's strange because changing thoughts, changing behavior, even changing the environment like decorating the house with nice smelling flowers = changing physiology. So why are psychological changes of physiology not so effective in solving problems than medical changes of physiology?

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 19:23:25 UTC No. 16244437

>>16244147
That's mostly because the mind is too complex to understand. A doctor can pretty reliably prescribe you antibiotics when they detect a bacteria and expect it to work but psychologist can't prescribe you to I dunno a hire a subsidized home improvement therapy where a group comes in, cleans your place out and puts up some flowers or prescribe you to go outside for a walk every day or police come and arrest you or something. Even though this would very likely improve your outlook it's not guaranteed to work the same way antibiotics are guaranteed to work which makes the psychologist liable for damages when inevitably some of these helpful measures don't work for most people. So the inevitable pivot is for them to shift from proactive "fixing the patient" mindset with actual solutions to defensive play mostly attempting to treat the symptoms and pacify the customer.

There's also the darker undercurrent where it's sort of antisemitic to say what is causing you problems or the solutions may be politically incorrect. For instance when it's pretty clear that mere presence of niggers will cause people to develop mental health issues or that lot of jobs for instance are fundamentally degrading to a human psyche but a doctor can't really say that or even change any of it since they are systemic problems effecting basically everyone. Which may be compared to some 1800's factory spewing coal fumes straight into low income housing, like ye everyone knows that's not good but what you gonna do about it.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 20:12:14 UTC No. 16244513

>>16243493
the human brain is a convoluted piece of shit and its a huge fucking pain in the ass to isolate variables

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 20:23:58 UTC No. 16244523

>>16244513
>the human brain is a convoluted piece of shit and its a huge fucking pain in the ass to isolate variables
The only way to meaningfully generate knowledge from psychology is via hard psychometric measures. That includes measures of reaction, cognitive functioning etc. Usually, the more involuntary the subject's action, the better, because this minimizes the probability of a subject manipulating the data.

Now, when it comes to applied psychology, which tests are used to gauge or test for personality traits or mental disorders? Involuntary psychometric measures or vague tests and descriptions that are environmentally conditioned and that can also be interpreted in widely different ways?

Hypothesy at Thu, 20 Jun 2024 20:26:42 UTC No. 16244527

>>16244523

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 00:34:38 UTC No. 16244871

>>16244523
>Agrees psychology is fucked
>Thinks psychometry is the way out
Holy cope

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 02:45:55 UTC No. 16244989

>>16243879
Anon ignored this message because this contradicts to his or her viewsm. As modern psychology works

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 02:56:05 UTC No. 16244998

>>16243879
>>16244989
Can you come up with hard stats comparing % of women in physics compared to % of women in psychology per year?
And by what metric do you judge cold fusion or theoretical physics as "not as bad".

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 03:37:16 UTC No. 16245029

>>16244998
>Can you come up with hard stats comparing % of women in physics compared to % of women in psychology per year?
It's just a common sense that there are more women in psychology than in Physics. Known fact. You can't counterargument this, because it's an objective fact
>And by what metric do you judge cold fusion or theoretical physics as "not as bad".
It gives output as new materials, new method of research, math models containing pure mathematics. But women will find a way to ruin it too

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 08:19:18 UTC No. 16245259

>>16243493
>how bullshit is modern psychology?
Well, for many decades I used to think it was mostly bullshit, I was a young, blunt, insensitive man, I was too busy trying to be cool, fitting in, socializing with other dickheads, etc, and then eventually life caught up to me and I paid a very heavy psychological price, in many different ways. I knew that if I kept on being stubborn and proud, I'd keep paying that bill myself, so I decided to look in the mirror and figure just how much of those problems originated within me, and not just blame everything on the world around me.
Well, I found out that modern psychology is an amazing field of self-discovery and social discovery. It takes much introspection, like, many hours laying in bed analyzing what you feel and where those feeling seem to sprout from, what they arch back to in your life, what they remind you of in regards to specific past situations, or just general periods in your life, etc. You discover so much about yourself and about why others are behaving as they do.,
It changed my life. But, again, it requires DEEP introspection.

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 09:40:53 UTC No. 16245331

>>16245259
What concepts did you find most useful?

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 10:43:35 UTC No. 16245389

>>16244437
>shift from proactive "fixing the patient" mindset with actual solutions to defensive play
That's a good point. It's remarkable how little pushback there is against the idea that a psychologist's role is to only help you fix yourself. It seems that the government is going to take the proactive role, for example, if you are behind in payments than you get a call, a letter or even a visit from someone to ask if you're alright and need help managing your finances. This may be controversial but more helpful than talking about you felt this week and how these feelings are from a traumatic childhood.

>>16244437
>darker undercurrent
That's a good point as well. To be more politically correct: governments are organizing society in such a way that is not condusive to wellbeing but psychologists and doctors have the mentality that you should only look to what you can do because you can't change what others are doing. So you need to adapt to a sick society.

>>16244437
>Which may be compared to some 1800's factory spewing coal fumes straight into low income housing
It seems obvious to me that future society will consider our current society as horrifying as we consider past society. It's a crime against humanity that we know this yet continue to go on the wrong path.

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 10:45:15 UTC No. 16245390

>>16245331
Understanding trauma and how it manifests in so many different ways in so much of what we do in our daily lives and how people are not even aware of it, be it in themselves, be it in others.
Here's a short explanation example of how trauma forms and affects one's entire life path.

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:05:17 UTC No. 16245406

>>16245389
A bit pop-psych, to be honest, trauma is helpful to understand but people don't understand that we have highly variable ways of reacting to mostly similar distressing experiences, depending on traits that we lean towards. Why we lean towards certain traits is something people don't focus on, maybe because popular psychological discourse hasn't moved past the bare minimum.
>>16245389
>That's a good point. It's remarkable how little pushback there is against the idea that a psychologist's role is to only help you fix yourself
Therapy is a messy subject, but that problem is pretty much only present in CBT, which is a very common type of therapy since most people are normies without enough maladaptations to justify spending time "finding themselves".
This is a pretty narrow encounter we discuss, mostly with psychiatry. I don't really think I'm interested in anti-psychiatry as much as I'm interested in criticisms of things taken for granted as true in psychology that aren't actually true.
Right now I think the highest bullshit concentration in psychology is in the way we distinguish distinct disorders, subject to reification to no end and the question of precision.

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:22:28 UTC No. 16245523

>>16245406
>we have highly variable ways of reacting to mostly similar distressing experiences, depending on traits that we lean towards. Why we lean towards certain traits is something people don't focus on
Yes there's imprinting, railroading, snowballing and such causal chains but the focus on the origin of causal chains overlooks why right now at this very moment we make a particular choice. We can break down this dichotomy between past/future and psychology/medicine by seeing that psychology = mythology in the sense that the words we use (for example: ''I'm not motivated'') are highly inaccurate metaphors that like myths = memes = story-telling = social interaction replicate themselves and doing so sustain profound untruths that keep us confused and running in circles.

>highest bullshit concentration in psychology is in the way we distinguish distinct disorders
Yes because that also follows from the mythological approach to psychology.

>I'm interested in criticisms of things taken for granted as true in psychology that aren't actually true
It's so obvious that psychology has religious (christian and buddhist') assumptions yet no one in the public sphere calls them out on it. Even worse: public figures double down on the religious nature of psychology. For example:
>people suffer because they have learned ways of thinking and doing that cause suffering for themselves and others
>therefore, to reduce suffering, people must reflect on how they cause suffering for themselves and others and learn new ways of thinking and doing that cause less suffering / bring more joy.
There are many harmful flaws in this basic christian' and buddhist' reasoning yet this reasoning has been dominating the public sphere for a long time now and people don't want to hear anything else. It's almost blasphemous to cricticize this assumption because it seems so obviously true.

I would like to continue but maybe no one cares that much.

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:37:50 UTC No. 16245541

>>16245390
It's interesting. From le shientifac point of view, it's pure garbage, yet this psycho-analytic approach to the human psyche can often be incredibly helpful.