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Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 08:39:37 UTC No. 16248972
“The fittest survive. What is meant by the fittest? Not the strongest; not the cleverest – weakness and stupidity everywhere survive. There is no way of determining fitness except in that a thing does survive. ‘Fitness,’ then, is only another name for ‘survival.’ Darwinism: That survivors survive.”
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 08:47:46 UTC No. 16248978
Dawrinism has been disproved plenty of times, the fact that it persists as a belief proves that it isn't a scientific theory. Scientific theories are disprovable.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 08:50:32 UTC No. 16248980
>>16248972
more correct version, though still imperfect since the Big Bang was not an explosion, nor did it have a beginning.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 08:51:33 UTC No. 16248981
>>16248972
>“The fittest survive. What is meant by the fittest? Not the strongest; not the cleverest – weakness and stupidity everywhere survive. There is no way of determining fitness except in that a thing does survive. ‘Fitness,’ then, is only another name for ‘survival.’ Darwinism: That survivors survive.”
this way, please:
>>16234033
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:58:29 UTC No. 16249047
>>16248978
>Scientific theories are disprovable.
That's a soijack thing to say. Are you a soijack?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 12:54:18 UTC No. 16249104
>>16249047
It's a spambot.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 06:30:19 UTC No. 16250435
>>16249104
>It's a spambot.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 13:47:09 UTC No. 16250824
>>16248978
>Dawrinism has been disproved plenty of times
No it hasnt
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 15:34:02 UTC No. 16250936
Fitness is how many kids you have.
If you have more children, and your children have more children, you're more fit in that environment
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:30:40 UTC No. 16251001
>>16250936
You're a midwit because a trait can simultaneously cause more children in the first generation and less children in later generations even when the environment doesn't change.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:39:02 UTC No. 16251013
An evolutionist would claim if you wait long enough, computer programs would write themselves. They don't even realize how practically infinitely more complex DNA genetic code is, and they claim that just spontaneously generated from soup that came from a rock which came from nothing.
The humanist state religion and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>>16248978
It persists because that blind faith humanist creation myth is tax-funded and indoctrinated into kids in schools.
Evolution dies without censorship and indoctrination, they literally need to censor free speech in scientific debates and indoctrinate kids with their blind faith beliefs.
I'm not surprised the thread of polonium halos was deleted. Evolutionists are liars and cowards.
>>16250824
It was never proven in the first place, but the theory has been proven impossible countless times. You're just a blind faith zealot for the humanist state religion, too dimwitted to critically analyze your own beliefs.
You also live under a rock, but it's not like you humanists to be honest when you claim morals are "just a social construct". You're pathetic cowards and liars.
Do you also believe boys can become women?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:39:33 UTC No. 16251014
>>16251001
Then it is less fit, as overall it is less likely to have kids.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:47:01 UTC No. 16251033
>>16251013
Everything you're saying is literally the opposite of reality. Biblical creationism only exists by indoctrination and censorship and denial of actual evidence.
>It was never proven in the first place
Yes it has been. We literally directly observe it, and also know how the mechanism works, and can genetically modify life forms based on its mechanism.
Evolution has been proven and your creationist fairy tale has been disproven. Stop coping and pull your head out of your ass.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:49:50 UTC No. 16251037
>>16251033
My religious beliefs aren't presented in schools as fact, yours are despite that yours are mathematically impossible, it fails all mathematical tests. This is just one way in which your religion is false.
Everything about your post is projection and cognitive dissonance. You're too stupid to critically analyze your own beliefs honestly.
>We literally directly observe it
Oh yeah, some birds becoming birds proves man came from monkeys and all life came from a common ancestor. Massive leap of blind faith and you refuse to see it.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:59:38 UTC No. 16251063
>>16251037
>My religious beliefs aren't presented in schools as fact
You tried to and lost. The courts rightly concluded that your shit is nothing but nonsense and can't be taught in schools.
>mathematical impossibility
It is literally not mathematically impossible at all. Another shit for brained creationist talking point, when you yourself don't even understand mathematics or probability theory.
>Everything about your post is projection and cognitive dissonance. You're too stupid to critically analyze your own beliefs honestly.
Nope. You can construct or just look up phylogenetic trees to see yourself. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>Oh yeah, some birds becoming birds proves man came from monkeys and all life came from a common ancestor. Massive leap of blind faith and you refuse to see it.
Another shit for brained creationist talking point. Yes, small changes over time lead to big changes. Birds being so closely related to lizards is in fact because they both descend from proto saurapsids. All of this has been proven already and you getting angry about it doesn't mean anything. There is no faith here.
Yes, your ancestors were monkeys. Get over it, there is literally no reason to be upset about this.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 17:05:05 UTC No. 16251069
>>16251014
You're still a midwit because the first generation can eliminate a competitor that would be more reproductive in the next generation. Cheaters and degenerates always win in the short term so they can drag the whole species down to their level. You might as well call a cancer cell ''fit''.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 17:21:19 UTC No. 16251086
>>16251063
>You tried to and lost.
I didn't do anything. I'm just having a discussion and you refuse to argue in good faith, as always.
But why would you be honest or intellectually honest? You think morality is relative and crime is just a social construct. You're why the country is going to hell in a hand basket, why crime is so rampant, and why lies are everywhere. You and your ilk are a cancer on society.
>appeal to authority fallacy
This is why the humanist creation myth of evolution is the state religion, it makes good slaves to the state.
>It is literally not mathematically impossible at all. Another shit for brained creationist talking point, when you yourself don't even understand mathematics or probability theory.
It's not a talking point, it's hard math. You just assert yourself right then slander everyone who doesn't goosestep to your humanist state religion.
https://warosu.org/sci/thread/16175
There has never been even one observed good mutation, you claim it happened millions of times. There has never been a good mutation that has been observed to spread through a population, you claim that happened millions of times. And the mathematical possibility of even one good mutation to happen is zero. They show idiots like you a bad mutation in a textbook and say good mutations are how it happens. They show you birds that become birds and lizards that become lizards and you claim that proves all life came from a common ancestor. You're delusional and insane.
>Nope. You can construct or just look up phylogenetic trees to see yourself. You have no idea what you're talking about.
What did the trees evolve into? They're still trees, right? Why should I look that up or make your arguments for you? You can't prove your blind faith creation myth.
>Yes, small changes over time lead to big changes.
>Birds being so closely related to lizards is in fact because they both descend from proto saurapsids.
That's just blind faith religious speculation.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 17:22:52 UTC No. 16251088
>>16251033
proven is an adjective, proved is a verb
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 17:32:28 UTC No. 16251102
>>16251063
>The courts concluded
People like you would've believed that the earth was flat simply because that's what the authorities at the time said.
I bet you think boys can become women just because there are some "authoritative" voices and courts who tell that lie too. Fucking idiot.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 17:53:48 UTC No. 16251150
>>16248972
>NOOOO you just can't try to make sense of the world and our origins through empiricism and mathematics.
>you HAVE to believe the desert kike god created everything with his voice.
>now pay your tithes and vote for whoever the megachurch pastor tells you to.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 18:11:42 UTC No. 16251188
>>16251086
Buddy, you can't do math. You don't understand what you're talking about.
This gish gallop of bullshit is so all over the place it would take to long to explain each point as to why you're wrong.
Crime is literally lower than ever and there is less warfare and violence every on the planet.
Mutations are observed all the fucking time. We literally have genes which code for gills and mammalian feti have gills while forming in the womb. Adenovirus prove common descent between humans and the other apes.
Phylogenetic trees are graphs which show evolutionary relationships between species based on DNA.
I don't want to keep going because you're not willing to concede when you're wrong. If you were you'd have dropped this religious LARP already. God did not create Adam and Eve 6000 years ago. You evolved from a monkey over millions of years. Pull your head out of your ass.
>>16251102
Again, more projection. It was religious retards who denied that the earth is a sphere and that the earth revolves around the sun, and its religious retards in the modern world who deny that evolution has been proven.
It's secular medical organizations and evolutionary biologists that are banning transitioning for kids and saying that males and females are binary and based on gamete. More projection from the religious retard.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:09:50 UTC No. 16251289
>>16248972
>The fittest survive.
That was true in pre-civilization times. Nowadays those not fit for survival are being kept alive by gibs, therapists, and social workers. Fitness in its most natural sense does not exist anymore.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:13:40 UTC No. 16251307
>>16251188
Nobody has ever witnessed evolution. Why can't you back anything you are saying with science? Why does it always have to be just trust me bro.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:18:04 UTC No. 16251320
>>16248972
>What is meant by the fittest?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:22:25 UTC No. 16251334
>>16251001
Doesn't matter. Fitness is a measure of the number of offspring an individual contributes to the next generation compared with other individuals. The definition stops there. Subsequent generations are irrelevant. You are the midwit.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 20:08:55 UTC No. 16251444
>>16251334
>Doesn't matter.
It does because a scientific theory needs to be as predictive as possible and your definition of fitness is less predictive than a definition that takes multiple generations into account.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 20:11:04 UTC No. 16251454
Nice thinly veiled religion vs science thread
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 23:45:57 UTC No. 16251874
>>16251086
>There has never been even one observed good mutation
This guy's entire scientific understanding comes from comic books
>mutations are like when you fall into radioactive goo and you grow a leg on your head
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 23:58:52 UTC No. 16251896
>>16251454
yes. you know what to do about it.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 00:01:48 UTC No. 16251900
>>16251069
If you consider cancer a parasite it is not fit, as it has no offspring.
However, many parasites are very fit for their environment
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 00:16:44 UTC No. 16251924
>>16251013
>it has been disproven so many times.
I’ve read quite a bit academic literature on them disproving Darwin’s theory it’s very convincing and rational best of all PEER REVIEWED. Ha
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 05:28:12 UTC No. 16252214
>>16251444
Fitness isn't a scientific theory it's a statistic used to assess populations.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:16:06 UTC No. 16252457
WHY DON'T ALL THESE BRAVE CREATIONISTS MEET US IN THE PALEONTOLOGY THREAD INSTEAD?
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 14:58:03 UTC No. 16252786
>>16251307
Mutations ARE the mechanism of evolution and have been observed and literally controlled. Pull your head out of your ass already.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 15:25:18 UTC No. 16252817
>>16252457
>CREATIONISTS
Notice how (((they))) are playing the same trick again: ridicule any reasonable doubt of the narrative by association with an unreasonable caricature.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:12:34 UTC No. 16252863
>>16252817
>(((they)))
this way, please:
>>>/pol/
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:32:15 UTC No. 16252895
>>16248972
I'm not a religious but the current theory where the deciding factor is just sheer luck of the numbers is retarded. There is either a mechanism that we don't understand that pushes energy toward grouping itself into ever more complex systems(and no, I don't mean God) or some other factor like consciousness or intent playing a part in evolution.
Anyway, the neo-darwinism model that's mainstream now is slowly falling out of fashion. There are other theories that incorporate it that are much more sane imho, like the ones proposed By Denis Noble or Rupert Sheldrake.
The only reason why it's still pushed so hard when there is evidence that is at least incomplete is because scientists are afraid that 1. they were wrong
2.religios people were at least somewhat right.