Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:40:34 UTC No. 16249034

>>16249000
there are all types of "motors" if you consider a motor to be something that converts chemical potential energy into mechanical action. They're called "motor proteins". Ion channels, by moving something between the outside and the inside of the cell, in a way also induce mechanical action.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:43:14 UTC No. 16249038

>>16249034
Basically, if ATP acts upon a molecule, it induces a structural change on that molecule, and it can be seen as a mechanical action upon the molecule's structure.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 13:58:03 UTC No. 16249165

>>16249000
There's no way this is real lol

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:41:19 UTC No. 16249215

>this happened by accident
>this was the result of random changes happening for no reason
lol

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:45:10 UTC No. 16249221

mitochondria churns out ATP like flour from a grist mill

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:49:55 UTC No. 16249230

abiogenesis is totally impossible
It's madness
no you could not have a self replicating machine self assemble
that is utter madness can't you see how impossible that is?

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:52:08 UTC No. 16249232

>>16249230
anyways the Cambrian explosion
plenty of examples of fully formed organisms being deposited here by god with no known ancestors

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:53:52 UTC No. 16249235

>>16249232
miss these little niggas like you wouldn't believe

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:08:00 UTC No. 16249330

>>16249215
over at least 3 billion years, yes.
I don't think you understand just the amount of time we're talking about:
If 1 mm were to be one year, 3 billion years is 3000 km, that's 30 hours of non-stop driving at 100km/hour. Imagine that, driving until you get bored, looking at the ground and see a continuous strip, a ruler, of millimeters, from horizon to horizon, speeding by your eyes, and it keeps going, until your ass is hurting, your legs are tired, your stomach is growling, you're passing out of thirst, you've peed in your pants, and those millimeters are still zooming by as you speed on to the horizon.
The sheer number of DNA replications that took place in that amount of time if astronomically large, trillions of mutations took place, most of them were nonsensical and got eliminated, but some of them, in the ocean of imperfect replication attempts, occasionally led to something incrementally more effective at making another copy of the DNA strand, and that sequence was copied more than others, and each alteration accumulated upon the previous ones. And this is assuming that life began on Earth, and that panspermia did not happen. That'd expand your drive time even more, to the point you'd might die of thirst in your car before you reached the end of your drive.
Yes, the numbers involved are that insane.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:15:52 UTC No. 16249338

>>16249230
>you could not have a self replicating machine self assemble
It did not. The energy of the natural chaos did: there's plenty of energy about, just look at nature around you, you can't avoid energy flows, it's everywhere, and plenty of organic compounds are all over the universe.
>but that'd take an almost infinite number of events on an almost infinite number of planets for the incredibly low odds for life to suddenly begin, "begin".
Yes! In other words, it'd take something as hugely vast as the universe, and an amount of time as hugely long as the time we see the universe as having existed:
>>16249330

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:18:15 UTC No. 16249343

>>16249232
>anyways the Cambrian explosion
Just because you haven't found an answer yet, it doesn't mean there isn't one. As a matter of fact, all knowledge progresses like that.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:26:23 UTC No. 16249367

>>16249235
>trilobites
I have a few of those in my personal collection.
Come join us here so we can talk about them:
>>16234033

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:26:30 UTC No. 16249369

>>16249338
It's a nice thought experiment but I just don't see it happening
It's like how entropy works
something unlikely could happen but it won't because entropy will always overwrite it with the law of probability
the perfect cell will just bump into some other particles and malform every single time no matter what
I'm not crazy you are

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 18:29:16 UTC No. 16249598

>>16249369
>the law of probability
probability isn't fate, it's just an estimate of how unlikely things are to happen or not at any moment. If the probability is not zero, then it is not impossible, and if the number of "attempts" at a result is sufficiently large, say, trillions of trillions of planets, and several billions of years of continuous moments (and that's only what we can measure when we look back in time, mind you, we don't know if the universe is eternal or not into the past since we cannot observe it before the Particle Horizon), the extremely improbable might just happen. Well, it looks like it "did" because we "are", otherwise we would "be not", but here we are, typing, it happened!

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 18:30:32 UTC No. 16249601

>>16249369
>the perfect cell
All cells are imperfect: they die. What matters is if they make another copy before they do, and so forth.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 18:39:04 UTC No. 16249627

>>16249601
let's be real tho even if a cell could for there is nowhere for it to go because evolution is a dead end theory

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 18:47:30 UTC No. 16249639

>>16249330
tl;dr but agree, most people who are unconvinced by evolution just don't understand the timescales involved.

A million years is basically eternity (and longer than humans have been around) and yet that's just nothing on the evolutionary scale.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 19:07:22 UTC No. 16249685

>>16249627
>even if a cell could for there
I'm sorry, can you type that again? it wasn't clear.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 19:12:12 UTC No. 16249692

>>16249685
no you can just kill yourself faggot

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 20:39:56 UTC No. 16249852

>>16249692
>ad hominem
I was obviously not talking to you, but I accept your defeat.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 23:40:58 UTC No. 16250056

>>16249343

Just because some questions have answers doesn't mean all questions have answers

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 23:51:52 UTC No. 16250065

>>16249330
after almost 15 years it's still trivial to bait atheists

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:04:36 UTC No. 16250717

>>16249000
those are clearly nano machines

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:09:26 UTC No. 16250723

>>16249330
>over at least 3 billion years, yes.
and? what you are claiming is that you can just brown noise (anneal) your way over the configuration space towards...this. how man dimensions does this configurations space even have? the solution space is neither smooth nor is it continuous (bad picks die off). plus how do you even share this path that was picked with others? is there some sort of meta-algorithm at work?
there is no way you will find ever a good solution that way. ever.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:27:16 UTC No. 16250739

>>16250065
what happened in 2009?

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:36:50 UTC No. 16250746

>>16250723
It's not just random mutation. It's mutation and selection. And yes, there is literally nothing impossible or even difficult to understand that over 2 billion years simple cells can evolve to highly intelligent multi cellular entities.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:52:39 UTC No. 16250769

>>16250746
you talk with a lot of certainty with so little evidence (we exist, lol)
funny tough, if it were true that enough iterations and selection is enough to converge towards such spectacular solutions, we would have ai models beyond our wildest dreams

🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:55:05 UTC No. 16250774

>>16249215
Evolution and direct instantaneous design by God are functionally the same thing. Hell there even exist theoretical reference frames where it was all created in six days subjectively.

🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:57:29 UTC No. 16250779

>>16250746
>And yes, there is literally nothing impossible or even difficult to understand
That's not true, it's extremely unintuitive for normal people. If it wasn't then the Greeks would have all believed in it. I wasn't comfortable with evolution (despite believing in it) until I wrote some genetic algorithms by hand.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 15:50:49 UTC No. 16250951

>>16250739
I moved into my mom's cellar.
still there btw

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 15:58:25 UTC No. 16250959

>>16250769
>we would have ai models beyond our wildest dreams
errr... we do! Do you even keep up with this AI shit? anything six months ago is already too fucking primitive.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:08:45 UTC No. 16250973

>>16250959

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:29:43 UTC No. 16250998

Some nigger did this in solidworks

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:51:17 UTC No. 16251039

>>16250959
Oh so they're not using transformers anymore? Have they figured out online learning?

Fucking kill yourself

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:52:19 UTC No. 16251046

>>16249000
>designs created by nature?
Blind faith.

>>16249330
>over at least 3 billion years
Blind faith.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:24:35 UTC No. 16251342

>>16250959
Super click bait. ChatGPT obviously did not pass the turing test and it can't have conversations with itself that don't dawdle into nothing.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:33:11 UTC No. 16251363

>>16251342
>ChatGPT obviously did not pass the turing test

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:37:05 UTC No. 16251370

>>16251046
>Blind faith.
Let's see: looking at the laws of physics, life either started sometime and someplace, or has always existed. That's it, those are the two options.
At least it's not faith in a grand old man with a magic wand

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 21:33:46 UTC No. 16251587

>>16249000
>created by nature
Kek, he doesn't know!

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 21:34:18 UTC No. 16251589

So it's monstrous space and timescales at one side and incomprehensible miracle of life on another.
Idk how it really went, but if you ask me, anyone who confidently asserts whatever explanation is an arrogant retard
>>16251342
passing Turing test is a nothingburger, but AI does rapidly improve. For now, at least.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 21:35:45 UTC No. 16251592

>>16249330
No matter how many times you run the dryer, the clothes inside will never come out pre folded. It's not going to happen. You can wait a billion trillion years and it'll never happen. I hope you get the reference.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 21:37:23 UTC No. 16251597

>>16251592
validity of this comparison depends on the minimal viable configuration of biological life.
We just honestly don't know what it is.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 21:38:59 UTC No. 16251600

i finally got my surgeon to patient so i can fix his fuck ups ... god this place is so slow and boring but yet so exciting and hot.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 22:15:57 UTC No. 16251702

>>16251592
>No matter how many times you run the dryer, the clothes inside will never come out pre folded
We don't know if the universe and time is infinite or not. If it is, you bet those clothes will, eventually, come out dry and folded. But, maybe, as luck would have it, you don't have to wait that long. After all, "luck" exists.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 00:01:43 UTC No. 16251899

>>16251589
>anyone who confidently asserts whatever explanation is an arrogant retard
interestingly enough, only the religious folk do.
these are the facts, you reach your own conclusions:
>looking at the laws of physics, life either started sometime and someplace, or has always existed. That's it, those are the two options.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 00:05:19 UTC No. 16251907

>>16251597
>validity of this comparison depends on the minimal viable configuration of biological life.
exactly, anon is imagining life starting as cells, or microbes. No one claims that.
Life probably started as such a simple molecular way that the transition between living and non-living might have been quite fuzzy. As Alan Watts once said:
>where there are rocks, watch out!