Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:40:18 UTC No. 16253031

>>16253025
I'm about to watch Anton's video on these new results, let's see what comes of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1e5f4ImS9A

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:46:51 UTC No. 16253050

>>>/lit/23523885

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:47:34 UTC No. 16253054

>>16253025
Aliens aren't magic, if you encase something in a shell then that shell has to emit the exact same amount of energy out as it's getting from the star, otherwise the temperature keeps going up. The end result of that is extra infrared emissions. If you want to discuss magic then head on over to lit like the other guy said.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:51:46 UTC No. 16253065

>>16253050
not sure if so, these are new science results and we're debating what they could be or not dyson spheres. Data interpretation isn't really sci-fi, is it?

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:54:09 UTC No. 16253071

>>16253054
>emit
nor necessarily, it can be transferred out, just like we transfer some energy out of nuclear reactors by piping it out via electrical wires.

If we're imagining an alien civilization so advanced as to assemble a dyson sphere, are you going to stop short of imagining it capable of converting all EM radiation into useful and transferable energy?

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:55:52 UTC No. 16253079

>>16253071
yeee.... I think lit is what you want there buck'o'boy

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 18:00:18 UTC No. 16253088

>>16253079
>yeee.... I think lit is what you want there buck'o'boy
is this video /lit/erature?
>>16253031

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 18:09:36 UTC No. 16253101

>>16253088
I'm not sure what you mean by that, the video backs up exactly 0 of your insane claims.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 18:38:10 UTC No. 16253139

>>16253101
I'm not claiming anything. there was a research paper on the possibility that some new detected stars fit some expectations of what a Dyson Sphere would manifest as, namely by releasing, or be transparent, to infrared radiation. That's a hypothetical data interpretation. I only pointed out that:
>If we're imagining an alien civilization so advanced as to assemble a dyson sphere, are you going to stop short of imagining it capable of converting all EM radiation into useful and transferable energy?
I'm proposing a hypothesis, don't ask me how to test it, especially since I'm also proposing they'd be invisible since they're not let radiation escape.
They would though, not be invisible to radar scattering detection, or they might even have an albedo from the radiation emitted by other starts.
There you go, two falsifiable hypotheses for the future.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 18:40:20 UTC No. 16253142

>>16253139
Yes and both of those are insane hypothesis which have no backing what so ever and seem entirely based on that "it would be really cool is like you know scifi and magic was true dude XD"

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 18:55:37 UTC No. 16253174

>>16253142
>"it would be really cool is like you know scifi and magic was true dude XD"
>magic
At no point in this entire thread was such a thing mentioned or even referred to.
If you don't like this thread, you can leave, it's OK.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 19:33:09 UTC No. 16253285

>>16253054
Could laser it out to obscure it
Laser into le blackhole?

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 19:38:26 UTC No. 16253302

>>16253285
exactly, I though of such a process too when I typed this
>>16253071

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 19:53:03 UTC No. 16253336

>>16253025
How would an incredibly advanced civilisation with a dyson sphere deal with these?

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:03:54 UTC No. 16253361

>>16253336
Magic mcguffin, the same thing they make their dyson sphere out of

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:05:45 UTC No. 16253368

>>16253025
Why would aliens need that much energy, to the point of doing the full Dyson shell thing? What is all that energy going toward?
If you're advanced and coordinated enough to build a structure like that, you're also capable of things like controlling your population so that it doesn't balloon into the hundreds of trillions

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:14:57 UTC No. 16253392

>>16253025
So received energy is now measured as J sec??

>>16253025
>It is not a huge assumption to think that an incredibly advanced civilization would gather only the visible light spectrum and let all that infrared energy escape into the vacuum?
The assumption is that all light would be used and that only waste heat would be emitted.
>Would a well-engineered dyson sphere not be black, invisible, instead for the ultimate efficacy?
The laws of thermodynamics do not allow for 100 percent conversion efficiency, so there is a loss and that loss is waste heat, which is emitted as infrared radiation.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:30:58 UTC No. 16253422

>>16253368
>What is all that energy going toward?
Computation to generate a virtual multiverse for all your virtual denizens...what else? At a certain point, a civilization outgrows its meatbag existence, attains immortality and indulges in all the benefits of being non-physical.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:34:55 UTC No. 16253434

>>16253368
Technical ability to control their population numbers doesn't mean they will choose to do so. Its not hard to imagine ideological groups that place a strong emphasis on reproducing above replacement levels will eventually will eventually end dominating their species, at least some of the time.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:37:23 UTC No. 16253443

>>16253434
Should also add that this applies to both biological beings, or any potential AI creatures; any AI and/or uploaded intelligence that likes making other intelligences similar to itself will tend to replace AI that does not create new intelligences.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 23:57:36 UTC No. 16253920

>>16253025
an actual dyson sphere would not allow any energy to leave and would be undetectable.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jun 2024 23:58:35 UTC No. 16253922

>>16253392
Why don't they just fill the dyson sphere with carbon dioxide so it will radiate the heat toward the captured star?

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 10:48:25 UTC No. 16254552

>>16253920
>an actual dyson sphere would not allow any energy to leave and would be undetectable.
yes, my hypothetical as well. OP here
However, I propose they might have albedos:
>>16253139

If we detect an object so large that it should have formed a star, but whose EM radiation profile is alike that of an albedo expected from a massive structure, such as mostly polarized light due to preferential reflections from smooth surfaces for example, then we might be onto something.

On the other hand, game theory also predicts that such an advanced civilization would take measures to reduce the expected albedo, and avoid detection by potential rival civilizations.

Though that additional reasoning, they might truly be undetectable.

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 10:49:37 UTC No. 16254553

>>16254552
>would take measures to reduce the expected albedo
and EM backscattering. Stealth tech, basically.

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 18:03:28 UTC No. 16255076

>>16253071
No matter what the energy eventually has to be emitted outward from the sphere. Whether it was used to move things inside the sphere or whatever, the energy has to eventually get out. It will almost always be released as infrared or lower in frequency.

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 18:57:17 UTC No. 16255151

>>16253368
>controlling your population
>thinking intelligent beings fall for anti-natalist propaganda

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 18:59:26 UTC No. 16255153

>>16255076
>No matter what the energy eventually has to be emitted outward from the sphere.
So what? No matter what the energy inside a nuclear reactor also has to be piped away via electrical wiring.
>If we're imagining an alien civilization so advanced as to assemble a dyson sphere, are you going to stop short of imagining it capable of converting all EM radiation into useful and transferable energy?

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 19:01:32 UTC No. 16255159

>>16253922
they would have to start taking in shipments of a trillion space niggers per parsec to save the polar bears