🧵 Autism, not real
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 19:23:48 UTC No. 16255182
Why are there not many (or any opinions) about Autism being a developmental issue, like people are choosing the hard work it takes to develop into a fully social being. I can’t get any good definition of “neural typical” other than someone approaching perfection. They all use the term neural typical, but it’s a sort of elusive term that can’t really apply to any one. Which raised the question, does autism, or at least autism in its current state of affairs, exist? Or does word give so many pass from taking on the normal responsibilities of what it means to be a human?
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 19:42:20 UTC No. 16255211
>>16255199
I don’t want to conflate the subjects, but I would like to at least entertain the extreme notion that none of it is real and really what we’re looking at is a greater degree of what a person has to do to develop themselves.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 19:56:47 UTC No. 16255243
>>16255182
Autism is real. The so-called "high-functioning autism" bullshit is not real.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 19:58:50 UTC No. 16255245
>>16255182
when they started arguing that autism is a spectrum , i felt like something was up.
autism is a symptom of being retarded.
saying autism is a spectrum just means people are varying degrees of retarded.
also its a
we dont really know what the fuck causes this.
which is a pretty good smoke screen to hide under and a throw away diagnosis that may mask serious environmental pathologies.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:18:06 UTC No. 16255290
>>16255182
FFS not another nature-vs-nurture thread, no matter the topic
aaargh!
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:20:36 UTC No. 16255299
>>16255211
>I would like to at least entertain the extreme notion that none of it is real
you have to be kidding, you must be. Have you never seen extreme cases of autism?
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:23:07 UTC No. 16255306
Niggers insisting autism is not real is a mirror reflection of autists being unable to understand normal people. People are so hardwired to the idea that humans are always supposed to act a certain way that they don't believe it when you get abnomal examples.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:25:45 UTC No. 16255428
>>16255299
Are you unable to entertain this possibility, ask yourself why? We're not saying this case, I just want to able to have the conversation to see what it would like that, I stress the "would."
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:26:19 UTC No. 16255430
Niggers, fuck the normality.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:32:46 UTC No. 16255443
>>16255245
Somewhat this, how many people could handle the reality that they really could make decisions and take action to develop their social/or overall awareness. How many people would take it, or would they just go back to the limitation that autism gets them comfort in? They may have to work harder to catch up and develop, or stay in their current state and be around others like them that tell them they are fine in their current mode of being.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:35:44 UTC No. 16255447
>>16255290
Neither, let's not relegate the subject of being to something as small as a dichotomy because it gives us a better sense of control. What CAN a person really do, and what are they denying themself, even if they do have a developmental disadvantage - is that a permanent state, or is it something they can actually do something about, would they really want to?
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:35:53 UTC No. 16255448
>>16255182
You let the previous thread die with the conclusion that defining autism versus neurotypical is a power play in favor of those who decide the norm. To continue that line of thought: how would a society look like where currently defined autists are the norm?
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:40:45 UTC No. 16255459
>>16255448
No different than it always has been, the problem is they're putting a limitation to what they can be as opposed to developing oneself. It's one thing to recognize limitation, it's another to strive for transcendence.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:55:27 UTC No. 16255482
>>16255459
We are going to organize a party so we need people for the following positions: finance, marketing, communication, logistics, engineering, first aid and general management. Do you think it's a good idea to let an autist do marketing, communication or general management rather than engineering, finance or logistics because the autist might develop to be competent in soft skills rather than hard skills?
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:02:37 UTC No. 16255503
>>16255448
everyone on disability for anxiety disorders, and ai robots doing all the heavy lifting.
children wouldnt leave the nest.
rare instances of non autism will be relegated into support networks to help the retards wipe their butts and take their meds.
communication would be very different. and very muted. we wouldnt speak much to each other. it would be akin to verbal pheromones.
just vocalizations to let others know your vibe.
humans would go extinct in like 10 generations due to compounding retardardation that causes sterility.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:05:29 UTC No. 16255510
>>16255482
complexity, and high stress jobs will be out the windows.
autusts do not do high stress environments and they cant handle complex tasks.
not every autist is a savant.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:12:39 UTC No. 16255526
>>16255503
>>16255510
So if we doubt that autists can keep a society running indefinitely then the diagnosis might not be entirely subjective unless one wants to argue that the value of survival and reproduction is entirely subjective as well.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:25:44 UTC No. 16255550
>>16255503
>>16255510
Is an autist a state of being, or a permanent condition that cannot be transcended?
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:35:45 UTC No. 16255570
>>16255550
autism is a "medical" diagnosis detailed in the dsm and the ict 10.
autism is a set of behaviors sampled in the population set against the norm.
as it impairs functioning and is a disruptive malady to the functioning a modern society.
it is a pathology, with know known cure.
as in if you cured your autism symptoms with chlorine dioxide, it probably wasnt autism but a deferred organic sickness like heavy metal poisoning or bacterial infection.
>>16255526
society is subjective and depends on the view of the helmsmen.
if society is subjective then so are its maladies.
autism is an externality of all the plans of the world dominators and power hungry control freaks.
its hard to get your top scientist back to work when he has to constantly futz about with his retard son.
society is tailored to autists but it could be and it seems to be headed that way.
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:22:29 UTC No. 16256191
>>16255182
Autism isn't real in the sense that it isn't a medical problem. It is however real in the sense that they can't function in society. But the real reason why they can't function in society is that the rest of the society is schizophrenic (the timing of this change differs from place to place, but seems to be universally recent). The normalcy of the general population is only apparent - they learn to do things by rote all the same, but the reasoning is either absent or thoroughly fucked. It's like the cargo cult - the schizo sees the planes, and the airport, and immitates those almost perfectly, but he doesn't know that there is a whole world across the ocean that he is unaware of, and that it's his own doing that all his efforts go to vain. So he demands to obtain "just" compensation, like "everybody else".
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 08:40:31 UTC No. 16256316
>>16255428
>possibility
>none of it is real
because it's not a possibility, you reality-denialist. WTF is the matter with you?
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 09:22:15 UTC No. 16256333
>>16256191
>they can't function in society.
Literally untrue. Don't lump us high-functioning/aspie ones in with the low-functioning ones. Some of us are very good at masking and have little to no problems being accepted into the pack by normies
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 09:38:52 UTC No. 16256345
>>16255570
>if society is subjective then so are its maladies.
That's circular reasoning. People are born with a reward system geared in one direction or another. Some people derive pleasure from hurting others and some people derive pleasure from helping others. Some people are stimulated by their internal world and by abstractions and some people need stimulation from tangible sources outside themselves. Some people are highly sensitive to light, sound, smell, taste, touch etc. and others are not. These are natural variations that can be molded somewhat by the environment but there's a foundation that remains constant for the entire lifespan.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 15:21:38 UTC No. 16256725
as an autist I have to tell you that I'm an uber-autist and all of you nautists will never come close to my spiritual perfection
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:33:37 UTC No. 16257288
>>16256345
it isnt circular reasoning its the commutitive property.
people are conditioned just like other livestock.
the components for a reward system is there, and we can drift about having "nature" determine our rewards and punishments or we can condition humans to rise above nature.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jun 2024 03:43:58 UTC No. 16257635
>>16255182
what is this shape called?
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jun 2024 07:39:59 UTC No. 16257836
>>16255182
>I can’t get any good definition of “neural typical” other than someone approaching perfection
There isn't any good definition. It's acclaimedly inborn (no actual proof for that, however, is provided). It's vaguely conceptualized with no one knowing where the boundaries are. Is depression neurotypical or is it not? If yes/no, why? Why are neurological diseases, e.g. Alzheimers or inborn ones like Parkinson's, not part of the neurodiverse spectrum?
It relates to how well you can function in the economy. It's biological reductionism for laymen.
>like people are choosing the hard work it takes to develop into a fully social being
People, generally, don't like the idea of social disengagement as the cause of abnormal psychology. They didn't like it when it was suggested in the case of schizophrenia. They don't like it now. If pathology is conceptualized as resistance or defiance, the individual nature of the disorder becomes a subject of discontent between the person and society. We can't have none of that. Most autism diagnoses happen in the case of kids not doing something. For example, not following orders.
>Which raised the question, does autism, or at least autism in its current state of affairs, exist?
It's a category. A grouping of people. The people exist, their ideosyncracies exist. Everything else is a category mistake. If you treat autism as if it was already a proven biological entity, then you commit a category mistake. If you derive from the category any information that does not uniformally apply to all members, you're also committing errors.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jun 2024 07:55:09 UTC No. 16257841
>>16257635
"Truncated cylinder" seems like a reasonable description. The base shape is a cylinder (with equal height and diameter) and then you just chop off two chunks in planar cuts to get the desired shape. Such planar "cutting" often leads to shapes that are officially styled as "truncated", especially among polyhedra, although the object in the OP is not a polyhedron.