Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 00:12:11 UTC No. 16260422

>>16260415
let's see this bleeding heart volunteer to have whatever that thing is installed in his back

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 00:15:47 UTC No. 16260425

>>16260422
Or neither

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 00:21:37 UTC No. 16260430

>>16260415
Scientists are beastly. Therefore we should experiment on them.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 00:36:05 UTC No. 16260443

>>16260415
progress above all

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 00:36:37 UTC No. 16260444

>>16260443
begone, foul demon

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 00:41:20 UTC No. 16260450

>>16260415
This is such stupid equivocation.
The meaning of "like" is obviously different in the two cases.
Moreover, it is "morally" okay to experiment on animals because might makes right and they cannot fight back.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 00:51:00 UTC No. 16260458

>>16260415
99.99% of cures that are working on guinea pigs don't work on humans anyways. It's just a waste of time.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 01:55:56 UTC No. 16260520

>>16260415
>Could an ecosystem exist without predators?

Temporarily, yes, but some species would inevitably evolve or otherwise speciate itself back into that niche - probably sooner rather than later.
I encourage somebody to correct me or elaborate a little further, but after the Permian-Triassic Extinction event something like 95% of terrestrial vertebrates were just the burrowing herbivore Lystrosaur. Supposedly, in the absence of predators due to the aforementioned extinction event, this marmot-like animal would browse and forage vegetation, multiple, then die off in massive numbers after they had eaten everything, and repeat the cycle.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 02:19:06 UTC No. 16260545

People who consider a rat to be equal to themselves are correct

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 02:20:31 UTC No. 16260548

>>16260415
How are we going to create a predation-free world without the animal experimentation needed to genetically engineer our environment to be more self-limiting without regulation?

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 03:22:52 UTC No. 16260611

>Ask a vegetarian why they can get the nutrition they need from eating plants
Vegetarianism confirmed for contradictory. Cannibalism is the only self-consistent diet.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 03:28:46 UTC No. 16260614

>>16260415
Trivially yes. Pic related is a closed ecosystem you can buy off etsy that contains no predators.

Everyone ITT is a larper and should leave this board.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 03:30:04 UTC No. 16260615

>>16260611
This poster is a frog from Africa.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 03:35:53 UTC No. 16260621

>>16260443
based and bonpilled

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 03:49:01 UTC No. 16260630

>>16260450
Yeah a it's fucking stupid quote just because something is alike to humans in having an arm doesn't mean that its completely equivalent to humans

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 04:07:13 UTC No. 16260645

>>16260443
Sociopathic subcontinental detected. Kill yourself.
>could there, theoretically, exist a state in which all animals are herbivorous?
Not without somehow completely erasing the niche that exists in those systems for meat predators. And herbivores still prey on plants. A truly non predatory system wouldn't have any death at all and would likely not be able to adapt anymore. It's a sad state of affairs.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 05:01:36 UTC No. 16260691

>>16260614
some bacteria evolves, finds a weakspot, and kills every shrimp in the first bloom
if only some sort of outside force could have instigated a diverse set of strategies for avoiding them, leading to potentially more resilient sub groups of shrimp

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 05:53:10 UTC No. 16260745

>>16260415
>Could an ecosystem exist without predators?
yes, it's be totally out of whack compared to the current systems, but it would
Grazers and frugivores would die of disease and starvation only. There would be much death from starvation, especially among grazers, with their numbers uncheck by predators.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 05:55:35 UTC No. 16260748

>>16260415
>could there, theoretically, exist a state in which all animals are herbivorous?
so, yes:
>There would be much death from starvation, especially among grazers, with their numbers unchecked by predators.

That's the state you asked about, in an endless cycle of balance between food availability and the size of the populations eating that food.
That's it.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 08:24:16 UTC No. 16260856

>>16260415
yes, with drones driven by ai sterilizing animals to control popularion sizes.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 09:29:47 UTC No. 16260896

>>16260415
>that quote
>animals cannot possibly be like us in ways that make them useful for research that benefits humans, but also be unlike us in ways that make their lives as valuable as a human's
What a dumb fuck. How do you get the title of "Professor" when you have the reasoning capacity of a retarded child?

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:36:30 UTC No. 16260995

>>16260443
Is animal experimentation really about advancing knowledge for the benefit of mankind, or are these just elaborate rationalizations for scratching another kind of psychological urge?

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:47:20 UTC No. 16261006

>>16260896
>What a dumb fuck. How do you get the title of "Professor" when you have the reasoning capacity of a retarded child?

All the corruption scandals coming out from academia should answer that question.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:54:18 UTC No. 16261012

>>16260995
Animal experiments are done nowadays only when you can not study the phenomena in cell or tissue cultures. Animal experiments in the US and EU need a review and permission from authorities. Also, animal experimentation is so expensive that no one does it unless necessary.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 18:23:07 UTC No. 16261631

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 18:31:46 UTC No. 16261652

>>16260415
Yes
>>16260430
Indeed

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 18:33:54 UTC No. 16261659

>>16260896
Kill yourself kike
>>16260995
Pharmaceutical industry is one of the wealthiest and most corrupt industries in the world. Animal experiments are junk science

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 18:34:59 UTC No. 16261665

>>16261012
None of this is true. Pharma has unlimited (tax funded) budget. Look at pcrm.org

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 19:55:23 UTC No. 16261832

>>16260995
A bit of both.
Quit worrying about it tho, nobody's forcing you to do experiences on animals.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 19:56:41 UTC No. 16261837

>>16260450
>Moreover, it is "morally" okay to experiment on animals because might makes right and they cannot fight back.
Good logic to use, as those who seek to stop animal experimentation wish to use the government to FORCE other people to follow their desires. And how is that use of government justified? Might makes right!

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 19:57:42 UTC No. 16261839

>>16260520
this, only way to stop things stealing stuff is gun rights.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 19:59:17 UTC No. 16261841

>>16261665
Pharma spends most of its money on advertisement campaigns, not research.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 20:02:23 UTC No. 16261843

>>16261665
>>16261841
both true, governemnt interference has made the medical industry shit.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 20:07:07 UTC No. 16261852

>>16260415
To address OPs question:

If all predators were wiped out at this moment, it would temporarily be a boon to all herbivore species. However, as the herbivore population increases, there's more competition on the same plant diets and the plant populations start to shrink. This gives a big incentive to find out alternative food sources, thus leading to predatory and parasitic lifestyles once again.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 20:22:40 UTC No. 16261881

>>16261852
>thus leading to
Doubt 'cause natural selection depends on variety to select from and none of the surviving herbivores may have the slightest chance to survive on meat thus none of them can evolve to be a predator.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:02:04 UTC No. 16261923

>>16261837
There is no such thing as "right", there is only what "is".
What "is" is determined by whomever can enforce their will.
Might makes right is a description of our state of existence, not a prescription.

As far as I am concerned, what is morally good is whatever benefits me, and what is morally evil is whatever harms me.
My desire to harm other people is less than my desire to prevent harm to me, and this is the same for most people.
Hence, we create laws and police forces to prevent people from performing acts which we on average want to do less to others than we want to prevent being done to us.
Here again, since the group is more powerful than the individual, this also follows "might makes right".

With the concentration of power due to automations and war machines, I expect that in the future, "evil" individuals will just do whatever they want without repercussions and oppress everyone else, because I expect the masses to be less strong than certain individuals.

Regarding animal experimentation, who will prevent it?
It benefits me, so from my point of view it is moral.
Do you think that the average person would sacrifice their time and effort to prevent something that benefits them?
If not, they will not be mighty enough to enforce their morality.

sage at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:29:05 UTC No. 16261964

>>16261832
>quit worrying about vile shit, nobody's forcing you to do it
you're a literal mongoloid

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:40:30 UTC No. 16261984

>>16261659
>NOOOOOO STOP TRYING TO FIND TREATMENTS AND CURES FOR HUMAN DISEASES AND DISABILITIES! IT'S HECKIN CRUEL TO THE HECKIN ANIMALS YOU KIKE!

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:41:25 UTC No. 16261985

>>16261984
I said yes.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:43:18 UTC No. 16261989

>>16261984
To many things. Make sure to realize what was said yes to. Through noctilucent clouds pink with the right technique.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:47:34 UTC No. 16261992

>>16261984
When I said I know billions of good things for you, I had to choose between millions and billions but millions didn't feel right. When I said I can take planets alone through skill alone I meant it. I am so fucking greater than every other soldier that I can do this sort of stuff. Hopefully this info gets out to you. I also was told by your half offline bios what I truly told myself in the movie, and I'm attempting that now. It all may come together soon.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:47:51 UTC No. 16261993

>>16261989
Schizophrenics need to be executed.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:48:52 UTC No. 16261995

>>16261992
The degrade of even these words is good

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:51:50 UTC No. 16261999

>>16261992
I got tied up into some deep philosophical shit while I was down here and became a sort of mento-monk of the white race in the poor house, and suffered in absolute profit.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:53:22 UTC No. 16262002

>>16261964
Then carry on worrying. Just don't interfere with other people's business and property.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:53:58 UTC No. 16262005

>>16261984
I said yes to my advice as well, take it, ask what you need to receive.

That's all. There'll be no more messages.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:59:01 UTC No. 16262011

Anyone who condones animal experimentation should also be fine if aliens abducted humans and experimented on us, or bred us in cages for scientific purposes.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 22:04:55 UTC No. 16262018

>>16261923
>With the concentration of power due to automations and war machines, I expect that in the future, "evil" individuals will just do whatever they want without repercussions and oppress everyone else, because I expect the masses to be less strong than certain individuals.
I disagree completely.
As technology has improved, weapons have gotten "better". As a consiquence the monopolization of violence has become more difficult with time. Hence we became quite free in more recent times.
That's why we saw the renaissance when we did: Firearms allowed people with less money to compete with richer individuals because firearms are facilitate violence cheaply, low training gives high results.

Modern firearms are the pinnacle of this. They are exceptionally easy to use and lethal.
I think firearms in their current state have reached the point that a society could function without a government and remain in such a system stably without a government ever forming: It's feasible for a man to have a full time job while spending a small amount of time and money owning and using a modern firearm and being proficient in it's use sufficiently to defend himself from "criminals" (murder/rape/theft/etc).

Unfortunately dysgenic breeding means that our current society is degenerating back into a dark ages style living, too many people no longer have enough drive for freedom or moral character to develop the correct culture to allow for such widespread gun rights. Average intelligence is also dropping such that the complex supply chains which are necessary to deliver modern firearms will become impractical.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jun 2024 22:09:15 UTC No. 16262026

>>16262011
No, because human lives are infinitely more valuable than the lives of any animals.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 05:52:17 UTC No. 16262488

i am going to obliterate every mouse and rat that enters my house

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 13:06:42 UTC No. 16262792

>>16262026
Because we're more intelligent? By that same logic, alien lives would be more valuable than ours.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:23:43 UTC No. 16263011

>>16260615
Fuck you, I'm not French.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:30:43 UTC No. 16263022

>>16260415
there are people who get into science just so they perform immoral acts which they would otherwise face prison time for. are they the majority yet?
https://odysee.com/@Realfake_Newsource:9/RFNS-10.21-003-020:3

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 18:56:00 UTC No. 16263102

>>16260415
"Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is, 'Because the animals are like us.'
Ask the experimenters why it is morally OK to experiment on animals, and the answer is, 'Because the animals are like us'. Also Charles R. Magel is a niggerfaggot." - Anon Anonymous

>>16260443
Based and actualsciencepilled.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 19:01:16 UTC No. 16263108

Apparently that doesn't hurt the animal
>To further reduce the animals’ discomfort while carrying the dorsal skinfold chamber, we developed a smaller chamber (the Leipzig Dorsal Skinfold Chamber

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 19:02:17 UTC No. 16263109

>>16261984
Lmao you fuckwits believe any of those experiments are leading to cures... 99% is postgrads writing reports nobody will ever fucking read, the rest is pharma industry randomly testing a billion substances hoping one does something

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 19:57:18 UTC No. 16263197

>>16260443
Very based

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 20:28:16 UTC No. 16263243

>>16263108
The irony is the government mandates all test animals a killed at the end of it. Sad, as I think having mutated pet mice would be quite cool.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 20:29:17 UTC No. 16263245

>>16262792
Because I said so. Animals cannot say so.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 23:56:51 UTC No. 16263532

>>16260415
>>Why do you experiment on animals
>Because they share this set of variables with humans
>>Why is it morally ok to experiment on animals
>Because they don't share a majority of variables with humans
Logical contradiction solved.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 23:57:47 UTC No. 16263534

>>16263109
insulin was developed because of testing on dogs.

Anonymous at Mon, 1 Jul 2024 23:58:50 UTC No. 16263536

>>16260995
Fucking lazy nigger rats.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 00:01:09 UTC No. 16263542

>>16260995
Or they just learned how to swim

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 01:06:11 UTC No. 16263593

would you rather conduct this experiment on a mouse, or on a human?

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 05:59:34 UTC No. 16263899

>>16260415
Herbivores are still predators, they just prey on plants instead of other animals. Plants who get their energy from the sun are not predators and yes you can have an ecosystem made only of plants, but they will still fight each other to the death for access to sunlight.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 06:12:48 UTC No. 16263909

>>16260415
animals, have different levels of cognition, so a rat isn't really like a human. It can't actually conceptualize of reality in a complicated manner.

only its dna is vaguely related because of evolution

and yes, predators, were not evolved in early life forms. they mainly competed for space, which causes different types to exist with different functions

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 06:15:57 UTC No. 16263911

>>16261012
>Also, animal experimentation is so expensive that no one does it unless necessary.
No, they go to their third world labs or set more up.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 06:27:22 UTC No. 16263923

>>16261881
There is no such thing as a large herbivore that can't eat meat, they all eat bugs and mice and snakes and slugs and whatever other protein they can fit in their mouths to supplement their diet.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 06:57:29 UTC No. 16263958

>>16263245
You didn't say so in the galactic standard language, so you clearly aren't as important as aliens on the galactic council.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 07:46:39 UTC No. 16264007

>>16263923
>There is no such thing as a large herbivore that can't eat meat
Rafflesia?

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 07:54:21 UTC No. 16264015

>>16264007
That is a plant that absorbs sunlight, nutrients, and water from its environment, not an animated creature that roams around and devours (-ivore) other types of things.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 08:08:44 UTC No. 16264023

>>16264015
1. Plants move. They just do it slowly.
2. Rafflesia eats grapes. That's "it's environment". That's like saying pandas aren't herbivores cause they simply get their nutrition from their environment
3. Since fucking when does something have to move to be considered a herbivore or carnivore? Plenty of creatures don't move. Look at sponges.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 08:19:39 UTC No. 16264039

>>16264023
>1. Plants move. They just do it slowly.
They don't swallow internally and devour (-ivore) prey, they get close to things that don't move much and absorb from them.

>Rafflesia eats grapes.
No, they leach nutrients from plants such as grape vines, they don't chew, swallow, and devour anything because they are not that type of organism.

>Since fucking when does something have to move to be considered a herbivore or carnivore?
Those are descriptions given to animals and the anima in animal specifically means that it moves around, you just said that even plants move, and so do sponges, but plants don't devour, they absorb, so the suffix -ivore does not apply to them since that mean devouring organism which is not how plants feed.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 09:04:23 UTC No. 16264084

>>16264039
So under your logic, anything which doesn't eat its prey whole is not a herbivore/carnivore/omnivore?

I don't know about you, but I've never eaten anything whole.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 09:10:43 UTC No. 16264090

>>16264084
>eat its prey whole
No I didn't say it had to be whole, it is anything with a stomach or other internal storage organ where it devours and digests its prey internally.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 10:53:17 UTC No. 16264174

>>16260995
I'm sure they already have an idea how to use the drowning rat phenomenon for the betterment of mankind by somehow forcing us to work twice as much.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 10:55:42 UTC No. 16264176

>>16264174
Yea they called it the A-bomb.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 11:04:39 UTC No. 16264184

>>16260415
>Could an ecosystem exist without predators?
Not for very long. Inevitably something would start taking on a predator role and be extremely successful since it's taking a completely open environmental niche.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 11:58:27 UTC No. 16264224

>>16260415

It depends.
Some experiments are simply useless and prove nothing.

e.g.

Testing if a virus or bacteria causes a specific disease.

What happens in 99% of all studies:

>pathogene is allegedly transmitted via respiratory or food interaction
>do not expose animals via the alleged route of transmission
>inject a crude culture with colony of pathogene in brain or stomach cavity
>colony of pathogene is 1500-times larger than ever would be able to be found in any droplet of saliva or blood ever
>additionally has contaminants in the experimental probe
>don't do a control, and if only inject saline (not the same fluid constituants, except the pathogene)
>note down observations as if this injection is equal to a respiratory transmission

>if it is not injected
>knock out animals with ketamine
>forcefully intubate the sample and a fluid volume that is comparable to sedating a human and squirting them 20-50ml of curde contaiminated fluids directly into the lungs
>do not note down any clinical symptom
>simply kill all animals after 72h
>do a histology
>take a lung sample
>be suprised to find the "pathogene" you waterboarded into the animals 2 days before


This does not make sense.
It is unscientific.
Retarded.
And distorts understanding of diseases.
While it is senseless torturing of animals.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 12:11:36 UTC No. 16264230

>>16260415
>could there, theoretically, exist a state in which all animals are herbivorous?
Not for long. Herbivores have evolved into omnivores or even obligate carnivores many times, in the absence of predators they will become carnivorous at the drop of a hat

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 12:51:46 UTC No. 16264264

>>16260443
Progress to where?

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 16:51:11 UTC No. 16264497

>>16264090
So by this logic, starfish are not carnivorous because they consume prey through eversion?

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:54:48 UTC No. 16265018

>>16264497
Starfish can pull food into their stomach too

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:59:20 UTC No. 16265021

>>16260415
bless that lil' bro. giving his whole body so we can be safe and effective.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:27:40 UTC No. 16265063

>>16260415
Yes. Suppose we remove all animals because they eat each other eat on other plants etc. What we're left with is just plants/trees. They will just grow with sunlight/water. Growing too much means they're more likely to be prone to die off from fire, which naturally keeps them in check.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:50:07 UTC No. 16265084

>>16260415
>state in which all animals are herbivorous
You're paraphrasing Hitler. Fuck off

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:56:46 UTC No. 16265088

>>16260415
True herbivores are actually quite rare.

But yes, an eco-system of only plants and herbivores is theoretically possible. There wouldn't be any less suffering or death. The function of predators would simply be fulfilled by starvation and scarcity.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:59:06 UTC No. 16265091

>>16265088
Is a long dying by thirst better than a short dying by teeth?

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 06:44:49 UTC No. 16265574

>>16260458
If a drug kills an experimental guneapig, it will not kill humans.....

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 07:23:19 UTC No. 16265601

>>16263958
no, we're gonna experiment on them, too.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:40:05 UTC No. 16265675

>>16260450
> Moreover, it is "morally" okay to experiment on animals because might makes right and they cannot fight back.
So it is morally okay for superior aliens t experiment on humans, got it.
(Also children I guess)

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 09:07:35 UTC No. 16265703

>>16260415
smartest prof

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 09:32:33 UTC No. 16265719

>>16265601
Sure, you are going to develop a hypothesis about how many liters of shit and piss you have to leak all over yourself before they stop experimenting on you.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 09:36:08 UTC No. 16265720

>>16260450
The predator in that case is famine.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 09:47:44 UTC No. 16265731

>>16260415
>could there, theoretically, exist a state in which all animals are herbivorous?

Yes, as long as there are enough plants to feed them. Otherwise they'll die too. Many herbivores are occasional carnivores when they don't have enough food and an insect or small mammal passes right under their nose, but they can't live on that.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 13:24:29 UTC No. 16265916

>>16265675
See
>>16261923

DoctorGreen !DRgReeNusk at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 14:07:40 UTC No. 16265963

>>16260415
are you implying herbivorous are not predators?

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 14:24:48 UTC No. 16265981

>>16260450
Thank you, the next time a Chimpanzee fucks up a nerd beyond belief before tearing off his face I will not shed a tear.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 15:12:45 UTC No. 16266048

>>16265719
quivering grey-skinned manipulator limbs typed this post

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 17:46:27 UTC No. 16266280

>>16260415
plants are a good example. Herbivores are a predator of plants, but plants can exist without them. maybe eventually the nutrients in the soil would deplete, but if scavengers don't count as predators of plants, they can help with the waste recycling returning some nutrients to en ecosystem. just like those experiments with bottles sealed over decades containing plant life. However animals are somewhat inefficient in utilizing energy from plants, and usually they cannot wait until a plant fully grows to eat them, it would stress the ecosystem and soil too much until it just collapses and herbivores die of hunger. So, it could be possible only if herbivores were efficient utilizing energy from plants, therefore requiring little and if they also had the ability of internal contraception, keeping their numbers limited, but this goes against the competition pushed by the instinct of sexual selection

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:07:42 UTC No. 16266316

>>16260430
We already do. It's called graduate school. The Venn diagram between a psychological torture experiment and the average PhD program in America is basically a circle.