Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 11:23:32 UTC No. 16264201

>>16264198
Why do you want to fuck your mother and become the owner of /sci/ and 4chan Anon?

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 14:52:33 UTC No. 16264359

>>16264198
Freud made a great work, but it has become outdated. Freud made correct and systematic observations, but his theory was made in an era where the brain and neurons were not understood that well. As a result, he overemphasizes sexuality in his theory, and it has little to none surface to biology and neuroscience.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 15:01:35 UTC No. 16264370

>>16264359
? his theory was made up bullshit with no supporting evidence other than his proven fraudulent studies that are irreplicable

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:21:33 UTC No. 16264648

>>16264359
But if humans primary motivation is not sexuality and the passing on of our genes, then what is?
Freud is hard to test in a scientific way, but that does not mean that he is wrong. If you dive into your own subconcious mind, you will find that Freud is just correct, and thats all there is to it.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:28:25 UTC No. 16264657

>>16264198
Might be pseudoscience but it's better than psychiatry. I think it's more akin to philosophy and philosophy is probably closer to understanding the mind than empirical psychology.
Should we bade our decisions about how to live our lives on atatistical analysis of questionnaires and occasional overfittinf of fMRI or the deep self evident truths we can all access by honest self examination?
Pic unrelated

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:33:30 UTC No. 16264665

>>16264198
The guy probably futanari scholar

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:41:29 UTC No. 16264684

>>16264198
It's headway into the real shit, but obviously flawed in hindsight. We're still not close to understanding everything about the mind. We're in the Aristotlean mechanics of psychology. We won't know when an equivalent Brahe, let alone Newton, will come along and really put shit in motion.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:44:44 UTC No. 16264687

>>16264198
It's not a science, it's not even a pseudoscience, go back to >>>/lit/

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:52:29 UTC No. 16264696

>>16264687
Its just the truth. Sorry that the truth doesnt fit neatly into your boxes of science or literature, but that doesnt make it not true.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:54:37 UTC No. 16264700

>>16264696
>assertion with no proof or argument
ok

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 19:05:18 UTC No. 16264719

>>16264700
The proof is that there is no other theory that accurately explains the brain and how our minds work.
The proof is that it sits well logically, and that it easily explains many phenomena in the least amount of assumptions.

Until someone provides a better explanation for things, I will keep believing Freud.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 19:09:14 UTC No. 16264731

>>16264719
so all linguistic proofs like philosophy

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 19:13:33 UTC No. 16264750

>>16264198
Calling it a pseudoscience would be an insult to pseudosciences. Witch Doctors are far more respectable than those pill pushers.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 19:27:47 UTC No. 16264789

>>16264750
Psychoanalysis doesn’t push pills at all. Modern psychiatry is what has shifted to a more medical focus. Why try to talk about something you don’t even know about?

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:08:25 UTC No. 16265032

>>16264198

Psychoanalysis is still alive and well, it is known as 'psychodynamic theory/approach/therapy' in more modern times. Modern psychodynamic/analyst thinkers and psychologists do believe that Freud's ideas were flawed; Freud himself admitted so and revised his ideas multiple times in his lifetime. Modern psychodynamic theory puts greater emphasis on a dynamic, changing unconscious (compared to Freud's largely static one), transference (viewing therapist or others in a particular way due to bias and life experience), defense mechanisms (cope, for instance), associations of objects and phenomena in the world with subjective ideas (like red being associated with violence for most ppl) and other things. Rarely will your therapist turn to the "you wanted to fuck your momma as a kid, didn't you anon?", those stuff are dated af.

Psychonanalytic therapists are widely recognized by other therapists and patients alike to be far better at therapy than their CBT or humanistic psych counterparts, because psychoanalysis is nothing without the therapy. All observations are made in therapy and treated as purely psychological instead of biological/neurological/chemical. As a result of this unique phenomenological approach it gets flak but it's hardly a pseudoscience, unless you wish to believe Popper's falsificationism bs that failed to even account for physics.

Relevant link (for more info on modern psychonalysis): https://jonathanshedler.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Shedler-That-was-then-this-is-now-R10.pdf

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:55:13 UTC No. 16265086

>>16264648
There is no such thing as a subconscious mind, anon. That's a misinterpretation of the physiological fact of reflexes and part of the theory of the little man behind the meat machine.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:07:28 UTC No. 16265101

>>16264198
Pseudoscience in that the materials and methods are vacuous. Reality in that people like to be part of a stencil and can be influenced by it.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:08:53 UTC No. 16265107

>>16265086
I would have to seriously disagree with you there.
Not only is there a subconcious mind, but probably like 90% of your brain is things that you are not conciously aware of

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:27:02 UTC No. 16265142

Carl Jung was beyond based.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:27:49 UTC No. 16265144

>>16265107
Not that anon but psychoanalysis posits the "not consciously aware of" as proactive baggage, not a throwaway dream.

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:35:43 UTC No. 16265158

>>16264198
It all comes down to the old debate is subconcious/inconcient/unaware field of perception, a direct interpretation, or just mumbo jumbo by the brain having incomplete data

Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:42:48 UTC No. 16265166

>>16265142
Jung was a word swallower. His (apocryphal) connection to AA beatifies him and it ends there.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 01:13:25 UTC No. 16265233

>>16264370
>fraudulent studies that are irreplicable
to be fair, that's the whole field of psychology and psychoanalysis in a nutshell

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 01:19:17 UTC No. 16265238

>>16265233
Also the whole field of ergodicity

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 01:25:10 UTC No. 16265243

>>16264198
>Based in reality or just pseudoscience?

Really a mix of both. The biological psychiatry-fags have the right idea here, but their models are still very incomplete. A lot of the genetic causes of mental illness have chemical treatments that are just not discovered yet, and will each only work for patients with specific mutations. A lot of the environmental causes simply have not been well identified.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 01:25:57 UTC No. 16265246

>>16265107
The problem is you are looking at your brain as a machine managed by individuals. The brain is like a clonal animal, segments of it are doing their autonomous functions, segments of it organize memories, but what you call yourself, Yourself as a unit, is only one thing, it's what orders to move muscles and requests to remember the things, it's the part that thinks and when you sleep it sits back and requests a virtual space to dream.

This master command is what we call consciousness. There are not parallel consciousness in the sense freud suggests. Your brain may be filled with shit memories but it's you who decide to act on them.

Therefore freud is bullshit, and he said all that shit about sexuality to touch vaginas like Charcot.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 01:28:59 UTC No. 16265250

>>16265243
>genetic causes
Genetics as you are using it is pseudoscience. Genes are not fate and the end product is the result of the general plan of genes facing the environment with all the free radicals floating to destroy whatever structure they touch.

Other than epilepsia or mental retardation, there are no "genetic mental illnesses".

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 02:00:47 UTC No. 16265278

>>16265250
How about the "Warrior gene" with reduced MAO-A activity and psychopathy? Or 5-HTTPLR and anxiety?

While most of these are "single hit" kinds of pathogenic mutations, they seem to qualify as "causes" under any reasonable interpretation of that word.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 03:10:38 UTC No. 16265333

>>16265246
> modern psychoanalysis abandoned Freud’s subconscious long ago, but go cling to it when Freud himself was uncomfortable with it
> Freud cared more about cocaine than ladies, from what we know of him
> there is only one ‘consciousness’, but there is clearly also an unconscious that influences it; modern psychoanalysis and cognitive science converge here

Sure man, if you’re gonna act like psychoanalysis is a dead school then go ahead, but it’s alive and well, there’s national institutions and university programs at the phd level that teach it, and insurance companies that will pay for it. Patients often find psychoanalysts more bearable than your average CBT practitioner as the analysts focus on the therapy and see the mind as a unique thing of its own, rather than seeing the mind as a meat computer.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 03:46:16 UTC No. 16265369

>>16265333
Not him but if someone put a gun to my head and made me choose, I'd say the quacks who drug children should suffer before the quacks who don't. Is there still a difference or has the dictionary evolved again?

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 17:03:33 UTC No. 16266198

Psychoanalysis is based on the concept that everyone is a faggot.
Which is a correct assumption.